Re: [Freesurfer] Segmentation problems

2011-01-31 Thread Bruce Fischl
Hi Tetiana,

do you mean the bit of skull left over that is misclassified? I wouldn't 
worry about it unless it causes the ?h.white/?h.pial surfaces to be 
inaccurate. In general we use the surface-based measures to estimate 
gray/white morphometry and the aseg for everything else. It is a minor 
skull strip failure and you could either fix it by manually erasing it from 
the brainmask.mgz or trying to mess with the watershed/gcut.

cheers
Bruce


On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Tetiana Dadakova 
wrote:

 Dear FreeSurfer users,

 I run a recon-all -all for one of my subjects. When I check the
 segmentation, it looks incorrect (see attached picture).
 What can be the problem? At which step can I change something? Should
 I do manual correction?

 Thank you,
 Tetiana.

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[Freesurfer] white matter volume and qdec

2011-01-31 Thread tulu
Dear Freesufer experts,I would like to do the group comparison of white matter volume in various white matter regions base on white matter parcellation. I have no idea about how to do that. Is it the same as cortical thickness comparison in qdec ? could any one give some guide about how to do that ? thank in advancebestJLH--- 本郵件來自HiNet WebMail ---___
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Re: [Freesurfer] white matter volume and qdec

2011-01-31 Thread Douglas N Greve
You can use the data in the wmparc.stats file. You can load that as a
spreadsheet into any stats program (eg, SPSS).

doug

t...@ms36.hinet.net wrote:

 Dear Freesufer experts,
 I would like to do the group comparison of white matter volume in
 various white matter regions base on white matter parcellation. I have
 no idea about how to do that. Is it the same as cortical thickness
 comparison in qdec ? could any one give some guide about how to do
 that ? thank in advance
 best
 JLH


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Re: [Freesurfer] Regression: Activation as a function of condition

2011-01-31 Thread Adam Nitenson
Hi Doug and Freesurfers,

 Now that I have re-processed some of my data in Stable 5, I would
like to re-open a previous problem I was trying to tackle:

  We are using the Sternberg Item Recognition Paradigm in our study,
which involves the memorization and recognition of groups of 1, 3, 5,
and 7 letters. Each run has two sets of each condition (load). We
want to determine if any regions of the brain activate in a linear
pattern with increased task load (# of letters). I have already done
regression analyses using genotype, but that was between subjects, while
this analysis would be within subjects. Does anyone know how I could
structure an analysis that would allow me to look at this?
Is this something I have to do at the mkanalysis-sess level?

I had tried doing this in Stable 4 using the method described here
https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/pipermail//freesurfer/2010-December/016557.html
  However, I was unable to generate the desired results, so I decided
to switch over to Stable 5 as suggested.

Thanks,

Adam




  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Regression: Activation as a function of
 condition
 From:Douglas N Greve gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Date:Tue, January 11, 2011 11:52 am
 To:  Adam Nitenson niten...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 --

 You don't need to re-unpack. you don't run recon-all on the functional,
 only the anatomicals.

 Adam Nitenson wrote:
 So this means I will have to start at the unpacksdcmdir command and then
 recon-all to rerun the functionals?


 You don't need to re-run the anatomicals, but you will need to rerun
 the
 functionals.

 doug

 Adam Nitenson wrote:

 Hmm...it appears that we might need to make the transition over to
 Stable
 5 then.

 Would I have to reprocess all Stable 4 subjects again in Stable 5
 (including the whole recon-all from bourget) process, or is there some
 sort of jumping off point from which I can start using the new stable?

 Thanks,

 Adam




 you can't do it in stable4, but you can  in stable 5.

 doug


 Adam Nitenson wrote:


 Hello Freesurfers,

  We are using the Sternberg Item Recognition Paradigm in our
 study,
 which involves the memorization and recognition of groups of 1, 3,
 5,
 and 7 letters. Each run has two sets of each condition (load). We
 want to determine if any regions of the brain activate in a linear
 pattern with increased task load. I have already done regression
 analyses using genotype, but that was between subjects, while this
 analysis would be within subjects. Does anyone know how I could
 structure an analysis (STABLE 4) that would allow me to look at
 this?
 Is this something I have to do at the mkanalysis-sess level?


 Thanks,

 Adam Nitenson, B.S.
 Brain Genomics Lab
 Massachusetts General Hospital
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Re: [Freesurfer] Regression: Activation as a function of condition

2011-01-31 Thread Douglas N Greve
what do you mean that you were not able to get the desired result?
doug

Adam Nitenson wrote:
 Hi Doug and Freesurfers,

  Now that I have re-processed some of my data in Stable 5, I would
 like to re-open a previous problem I was trying to tackle:

   We are using the Sternberg Item Recognition Paradigm in our study,
 which involves the memorization and recognition of groups of 1, 3, 5,
 and 7 letters. Each run has two sets of each condition (load). We
 want to determine if any regions of the brain activate in a linear
 pattern with increased task load (# of letters). I have already done
 regression analyses using genotype, but that was between subjects, while
 this analysis would be within subjects. Does anyone know how I could
 structure an analysis that would allow me to look at this?
 Is this something I have to do at the mkanalysis-sess level?

 I had tried doing this in Stable 4 using the method described here
 https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/pipermail//freesurfer/2010-December/016557.html
   However, I was unable to generate the desired results, so I decided
 to switch over to Stable 5 as suggested.

 Thanks,

 Adam


   
  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Regression: Activation as a function of
 condition
 From:Douglas N Greve gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Date:Tue, January 11, 2011 11:52 am
 To:  Adam Nitenson niten...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 --

 You don't need to re-unpack. you don't run recon-all on the functional,
 only the anatomicals.

 Adam Nitenson wrote:
 
 So this means I will have to start at the unpacksdcmdir command and then
 recon-all to rerun the functionals?


   
 You don't need to re-run the anatomicals, but you will need to rerun
 the
 functionals.

 doug

 Adam Nitenson wrote:

 
 Hmm...it appears that we might need to make the transition over to
 Stable
 5 then.

 Would I have to reprocess all Stable 4 subjects again in Stable 5
 (including the whole recon-all from bourget) process, or is there some
 sort of jumping off point from which I can start using the new stable?

 Thanks,

 Adam




   
 you can't do it in stable4, but you can  in stable 5.

 doug


 Adam Nitenson wrote:


 
 Hello Freesurfers,

  We are using the Sternberg Item Recognition Paradigm in our
 study,
 which involves the memorization and recognition of groups of 1, 3,
 5,
 and 7 letters. Each run has two sets of each condition (load). We
 want to determine if any regions of the brain activate in a linear
 pattern with increased task load. I have already done regression
 analyses using genotype, but that was between subjects, while this
 analysis would be within subjects. Does anyone know how I could
 structure an analysis (STABLE 4) that would allow me to look at
 this?
 Is this something I have to do at the mkanalysis-sess level?


 Thanks,

 Adam Nitenson, B.S.
 Brain Genomics Lab
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[Freesurfer] Phantom data

2011-01-31 Thread Alan Francis
Hi Bruce, Nick, Doug and others:

I have Phantom data from around 900 scans collected across 5 sites in the
US. Does FS have a way of processing Phantom data.

Thanks much,

Alan


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Re: [Freesurfer] Phantom data

2011-01-31 Thread Bruce Fischl
Hi Alan

what kind of phantom? And what would you want to do with it?

Bruce
On Mon, 31 Jan 
2011, Alan Francis wrote:

 Hi Bruce, Nick, Doug and others:

 I have Phantom data from around 900 scans collected across 5 sites in the
 US. Does FS have a way of processing Phantom data.

 Thanks much,

 Alan


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Re: [Freesurfer] Phantom data

2011-01-31 Thread Alan Francis
Hi Bruce:

This is an ADNI (Alzheimer's Disease Neuroimaging Initiative) Phantom
principally used for structural T1s. The scans have been acquired over 5
sites all over the US on different 3T scanners (Siemens. Philips, GE etc).
Basically we are trying to morphometrically evaluate Phantom data to look
for inconsistencies between scanners.

thanks,

Alan

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.eduwrote:

 Hi Alan

 what kind of phantom? And what would you want to do with it?

 Bruce

 On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Alan Francis wrote:

 Hi Bruce, Nick, Doug and others:

 I have Phantom data from around 900 scans collected across 5 sites in the
 US. Does FS have a way of processing Phantom data.

 Thanks much,

 Alan


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Re: [Freesurfer] Phantom data

2011-01-31 Thread Douglas N Greve
Do you mean a phantom with the uniform grid of beads? I don't think that 
we had anything that would process that. We mainly just visualized it 
before and after gradient unwarping.

doug

Alan Francis wrote:
 Hi Bruce:
  
 This is an ADNI (Alzheimer's Disease Neuroimaging Initiative) Phantom 
 principally used for structural T1s. The scans have been acquired over 
 5 sites all over the US on different 3T scanners (Siemens. Philips, GE 
 etc). Basically we are trying to morphometrically evaluate Phantom 
 data to look for inconsistencies between scanners.
  
 thanks,
  
 Alan

 On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Bruce Fischl 
 fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu mailto:fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:

 Hi Alan

 what kind of phantom? And what would you want to do with it?

 Bruce

 On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Alan Francis wrote:

 Hi Bruce, Nick, Doug and others:

 I have Phantom data from around 900 scans collected across 5
 sites in the
 US. Does FS have a way of processing Phantom data.

 Thanks much,

 Alan


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Re: [Freesurfer] Regression: Activation as a function of condition

2011-01-31 Thread Douglas N Greve
The Something-vs-fix of the original paradigm will not relate to the 
2-v-fix of the slope test, though they should look something like the 
1-v-fix of the slope test. Have you looked at that? The 2-v-fix will 
look more like a difference in the loads from the original (eg, 7-1).

doug

Adam Nitenson wrote:
 The supposed load regression map that I generated did not make sense
 given the maps of the individual loads vs fix. I attached the original
 paradigm (run1.par), the slope paradigm which I tried to adapt from the
 other thread (SIRP_Run1_LoadSlopeTest.par) and an image showing the 1vfix,
 3vfix, 5vfix, and 7vfix images from the original paradigm, as well as a
 large 2vFix image from the new paradigm, which I thought would have shown
 the within subjects regression (condition 2 being the weighted loads).
 Desired results was a poor description...it is more that the results do
 not seems to represent the load regression based on the individual load
 maps.

 -Adam


   
 what do you mean that you were not able to get the desired result?
 doug

 Adam Nitenson wrote:
 
 Hi Doug and Freesurfers,

  Now that I have re-processed some of my data in Stable 5, I would
 like to re-open a previous problem I was trying to tackle:

   We are using the Sternberg Item Recognition Paradigm in our study,
 which involves the memorization and recognition of groups of 1, 3, 5,
 and 7 letters. Each run has two sets of each condition (load). We
 want to determine if any regions of the brain activate in a linear
 pattern with increased task load (# of letters). I have already done
 regression analyses using genotype, but that was between subjects, while
 this analysis would be within subjects. Does anyone know how I could
 structure an analysis that would allow me to look at this?
 Is this something I have to do at the mkanalysis-sess level?

 I had tried doing this in Stable 4 using the method described here
 https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/pipermail//freesurfer/2010-December/016557.html
   However, I was unable to generate the desired results, so I decided
 to switch over to Stable 5 as suggested.

 Thanks,

 Adam



   
  Original Message
 
 Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Regression: Activation as a function of
 condition
 From:Douglas N Greve gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Date:Tue, January 11, 2011 11:52 am
 To:  Adam Nitenson niten...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 --

 You don't need to re-unpack. you don't run recon-all on the functional,
 only the anatomicals.

 Adam Nitenson wrote:

 
 So this means I will have to start at the unpacksdcmdir command and
 then
 recon-all to rerun the functionals?



   
 You don't need to re-run the anatomicals, but you will need to rerun
 the
 functionals.

 doug

 Adam Nitenson wrote:


 
 Hmm...it appears that we might need to make the transition over to
 Stable
 5 then.

 Would I have to reprocess all Stable 4 subjects again in Stable 5
 (including the whole recon-all from bourget) process, or is there
 some
 sort of jumping off point from which I can start using the new
 stable?

 Thanks,

 Adam





   
 you can't do it in stable4, but you can  in stable 5.

 doug


 Adam Nitenson wrote:



 
 Hello Freesurfers,

  We are using the Sternberg Item Recognition Paradigm in our
 study,
 which involves the memorization and recognition of groups of 1, 3,
 5,
 and 7 letters. Each run has two sets of each condition (load). We
 want to determine if any regions of the brain activate in a linear
 pattern with increased task load. I have already done regression
 analyses using genotype, but that was between subjects, while this
 analysis would be within subjects. Does anyone know how I could
 structure an analysis (STABLE 4) that would allow me to look at
 this?
 Is this something I have to do at the mkanalysis-sess level?


 Thanks,

 Adam Nitenson, B.S.
 Brain Genomics Lab
 Massachusetts General Hospital
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[Freesurfer] Manual editing of skull strip and mri_segstats

2011-01-31 Thread Cheryl McCreary
Hi,

I'm new  to Freesurfer and am trying to process some data for the first
time.  I have two questions:

1.  I have done some manual editing of the brainmask for skullstripping,
saving the edits using 'Save As' and the default names. This seems to create
a new group of files separate from the brianmask, in the mri subdirectory.
Are these edits incorporated in the brainmask when autorecon2 and autorecon3
are run?  I ask because the pial surfaces viewed using tkmedit after
processing is complete often extends into the dura and unstripped skull that
remains visible on the brainmask, even though it was removed in manual
editing.  Should I be using 'Save' instead of 'Save as' after editing?

2.  For then initial analysis of my data, I would like to create a table of
intracranial volume, brain parenchymal volume, gray matter volume and white
matter volume.  I've tries using the following command line:

mri_segstats --sum TableFileName.sum
  --pv $SUBJECTS_DIR/Subject/mri/norm.mgz
  --ctab-default
  --surf-ctxgmwm
  --etiv $SUBJECTS_DIR/Subject/mri/transforms/talairach.xfm

However, this fails with the error:  unknown option --surf-ctxgmwm.

What have I missed?  Can you recommend another way to get this information?
I have also tried asegstats2table as well, but intracranial volume was not
included in the table.

Thank you for any assistance or suggestions.

Kind regards,
Cheryl 
 



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Re: [Freesurfer] Manual editing of skull strip and mri_segstats

2011-01-31 Thread Allison Stevens
Hi Cheryl,
1) Yes, just use save not save as
2) this information is already generated and can be found in the 
aseg.stats in each subject's stats dir. Some of the information is at the 
top of that file.

On Mon, 31 Jan 2011, Cheryl McCreary wrote:

 Hi,

 I'm new  to Freesurfer and am trying to process some data for the first
 time.  I have two questions:

 1.  I have done some manual editing of the brainmask for skullstripping,
 saving the edits using 'Save As' and the default names. This seems to create
 a new group of files separate from the brianmask, in the mri subdirectory.
 Are these edits incorporated in the brainmask when autorecon2 and autorecon3
 are run?  I ask because the pial surfaces viewed using tkmedit after
 processing is complete often extends into the dura and unstripped skull that
 remains visible on the brainmask, even though it was removed in manual
 editing.  Should I be using 'Save' instead of 'Save as' after editing?

 2.  For then initial analysis of my data, I would like to create a table of
 intracranial volume, brain parenchymal volume, gray matter volume and white
 matter volume.  I've tries using the following command line:

mri_segstats --sum TableFileName.sum
  --pv $SUBJECTS_DIR/Subject/mri/norm.mgz
  --ctab-default
  --surf-ctxgmwm
  --etiv $SUBJECTS_DIR/Subject/mri/transforms/talairach.xfm

 However, this fails with the error:  unknown option --surf-ctxgmwm.

 What have I missed?  Can you recommend another way to get this information?
 I have also tried asegstats2table as well, but intracranial volume was not
 included in the table.

 Thank you for any assistance or suggestions.

 Kind regards,
 Cheryl




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[Freesurfer] loading data to matlab?

2011-01-31 Thread Frank
Hi everyone,

A sort of continuation of an old topic: I am able to load data into matlab 
(actually, I now plot the patches in Matlab, in order to be able to control the 
color myself, works great), but now I want to be able to get the x, y, z 
coordinates of the original data back. For example, if my functional was 64 x 
64 x 18, I want to know the mapping from that space to my flattened/inflated 
brain.

The reason I want to know this is because I have some additional info per 
voxel, which I want to be able to show/pop up if I click at a spot in the 
flattened/inflated representation.

So, I have all the files already in matlab, now I just need to know how this 
conversion works. Specifying -noreshape apparently isn't the entire story.

Thanks a lot in advance,

  kind regards,

  Frank
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