Re: [Freesurfer] One sample t-test in Qdec

2014-03-18 Thread Buse Merve Ürgen
Hello again,

Thanks for your quick response. In addition to my previous question, I
would also like to learn what the default analysis in Qdec is actually
doing.
For example, as I said previously, I have only one patient and a group of
control participants. In that case, in my data table I'm giving a discrete
group factor (patient, control) and the volume values of brain areas I'm
interested in (several continuous factors). Then, I'm choosing group as
my Selected factor (under Subject exclusions). When I say 'analyze', what
the default analysis of Qdec is actually doing? Which statistics exactly?
Since I have only one patient, is it computing the patient's mean as 0?

Thanks in advance,
Buse.



--

Hi Buse, I think this is a two-sample t-test where the 2nd sample is
your individual. You should be able to this in qdec
doug

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2014-03-05 14:52 GMT+02:00 Buse Merve Ürgen buseur...@gmail.com:

 Hello,

 I would like to learn whether we can conduct one-sample t-test using Qdec.
 I'm working on a single-case study, and I want to compare a single
 subject's data with a group of controls (to see how this specific subject
 is different from the group) in terms of volume, thickness and
 meancurvature. As far as I know, we can do the analysis in Terminal, but I
 would like to see  have the brain figure output (cluster by cluster) in
 Qdec for one sample t-test as well. Is it possible?

 Thanks in advance,

 Buse.

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Re: [Freesurfer] tkmedit edit voxel tcl script

2014-03-18 Thread Joerg Pfannmoeller
This topic has been discussed previously without a conclusive answer. After 
some www inquests I realized that it is easily possible to process nii-images 
using spm functions for matlab.
The functions for loading and saving images are:

V  = spm_vol(angio_corrected_marked);
[Y, XYZ]   = spm_read_vols(V);
spm_write_vol(V,Y);

After the images are loaded they can be processed using matlab functionality. 
Thus, tcl scripting for those purposes is not necessary.









On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 16:37:33 -0500 (EST)
Louis Nicholas Vinke vi...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:

 Hi Pfannmoe,
 I don't believe it is possible to edit a voxel via tcl scripts.  If so the 
 command would be listed on this page:
 
 https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/TkMeditGuide/TkMeditReference/TkMeditScripting
 
 -Louis
 
 On Wed, 5 Mar 2014, Joerg Pfannmoeller wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  if I have selected a voxel in a volume with tkmedit with a tcl script, how 
  can I set the voxel value to 0.
 
  Sincerely yours pfannmoe
 
 
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[Freesurfer] hypothalamus?

2014-03-18 Thread Ella
Hi all,

I'm looking to create a mask for the hypothalamus on individual subjects. I've 
had a good look at the literature, and at the moment, am I right in thinking 
the automatic segmentation in Freesurfer doesn't currently include the 
hypothalamus?

thanks in advance
Ella
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Re: [Freesurfer] hypothalamus?

2014-03-18 Thread Paul Beach
Ella,

My understanding is the same. I've made my own ROI by hand drawing on the 
average subject and using various commands to map onto individual subjects. If 
you're doing resting analysis then you can check your general whole brain 
correlation results against the literature to see if your ROI performs well. 
It's not perfect, but it can give decent results. 

Cheers,
Paul

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 On Mar 18, 2014, at 7:13 AM, Ella ellahin...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm looking to create a mask for the hypothalamus on individual subjects. 
 I've had a good look at the literature, and at the moment, am I right in 
 thinking the automatic segmentation in Freesurfer doesn't currently include 
 the hypothalamus?
 
 thanks in advance
 Ella
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Re: [Freesurfer] Problem about Surface-based Registration

2014-03-18 Thread Bruce Fischl

Hi Yufeng

perhaps we should take a step back - what are you trying to achieve?

cheers
Bruce
On 
Tue, 18 Mar 2014, yufeng huang wrote:



Dear Bruce,
 I am a new user of freesurfer. I just followed the process on the
webside(https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/SurfaceRegAndTemplates) to
do the surface-based registration.
However I do not to know what to do next after I get the
lh.sphere.reg.newtemplate1 of each subjects. So could you please send me
some papers about what to do next or some instruction about it.
  I am confuse about what you mentioned(2. You can check the results by
mapping the curvature of the subjects into the commmon space and seeing if
they align (I think mri_surf2surf can be used for this). So if I can check
the result by using tksurfer, However I do not know if the tksurfer will use
the lh.sphere.reg.newtemplate1 instead of lh.sphere.reg. I am sorry that I
can not find more information about the surface-based registration. I do not
know how to check if the subject has already align to each other properly or
not.
 Thank you very much for you help! Please help me ASAP.
   Yours Yufeng


2014-03-17 8:38 GMT-04:00 Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu:
  1. Not if all you want to do is surface registration. If you
  want to do surface and volume you will need to do both.

  2. You can check the results by mapping the curvature of the
  subjects into the commmon space and seeing if they align (I
  think mri_surf2surf can be used for this).

  3. No, as recon-all won't use anything from your new coordinate
  system. It will only be useful for group analyses

  cheers
  Bruce


  On Sun, 16 Mar 2014, yufeng huang wrote:

I followed the process of creating a registration

templatefromscratch(GW)(https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/SurfaceRegAndTemp
late
s) to do the surface-based registration. My question
are as followed:
1 I want to know if I need to use the
mri_cvs_registrater to replace
mri_register.
2 I check the result and find it produce the
lh.sphere.reg.newtemplate1 and
rh.sphere.reg.newtemplate1 in each subjects's surf
folder. I want to know
how to check the result by using the new file.
3 Should I need to re-run recon-all after the
mri_register for every
subjects?
Thanks very much for your help!





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Re: [Freesurfer] hypothalamus?

2014-03-18 Thread Bruce Fischl
Hi Ella


yes, it does not

cheers
Bruce
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014, Ella wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I'm looking to create a mask for the hypothalamus on individual subjects.
 I've had a good look at the literature, and at the moment, am I right in
 thinking the automatic segmentation in Freesurfer doesn't currently include
 the hypothalamus?
 
 thanks in advance
 Ella
 

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Re: [Freesurfer] hypothalamus?

2014-03-18 Thread Koolschijn , Cédric
Hi Ella,

There are a number of options:
You can draw manual segmentations on individual subjects, though the time and 
cost required for this labor-intensive process of manual tracing has become 
prohibitive.

Paul's suggestion would be a better one, maybe one of our protocols described 
in e.g. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21733239 could be of use to you? In 
case of drawing on the fsaverage, I would add the suggestion to draw at least 
two times to see if you're segmentation is reliable (compare your two (or more) 
ROIs and check for overlap and non-overlapping parts, for non-overlap decide 
whether those voxels should be in- or excluded). Subsequently, you map your 
segmentation to individual subjects and check for correct registration.

Another approach would be to use the ROI from the Wake Forest University 
PickAtlas. You can map this to FS-space, and follow similar procedures to map 
to native space. Though I must note that this ROI is not perfect.

All depends on your research question of course, how detailed do you want your 
ROI to be.

Best of luck,
Cédric


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On 3/18/14 1:04 PM, Paul Beach 
pabea...@gmail.commailto:pabea...@gmail.com wrote:


Ella,

My understanding is the same. I've made my own ROI by hand drawing on the 
average subject and using various commands to map onto individual subjects. If 
you're doing resting analysis then you can check your general whole brain 
correlation results against
the literature to see if your ROI performs well. It's not perfect, but it can 
give decent results.

Cheers,
Paul

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2014, at 7:13 AM, Ella 
ellahin...@hotmail.commailto:ellahin...@hotmail.com wrote:



Hi all,

I'm looking to create a mask for the hypothalamus on individual subjects. I've 
had a good look at the literature, and at the moment, am I right in thinking 
the automatic segmentation in Freesurfer doesn't currently include the 
hypothalamus?

thanks in advance
Ella



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Re: [Freesurfer] Restrict QDEC analysis to a region

2014-03-18 Thread amirhossein manzouri
Tanks doug,
Is it ok like this: mri_glmfit-sim --glmdir qdec/Untitled --cache 1.3 neg  ?

Best regards,
Amirhossein Manzouri





On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Douglas N Greve
gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.eduwrote:


 you will have to run the correction for multiple comparisons with
 mri_glmfit-sim (ie, you can't do it in qdec).
 doug


 On 03/17/2014 02:03 PM, amirhossein manzouri wrote:
  Yes. Basically I want to see the effect of restricting the brain area
  on the group comparison clusters from Monte Carlo Simulation
  (threshold 1.3). As you mentioned before from mdi_glmfit I just get a
  masked version of whole brain analysis. How can I do the correction
  for multiple comparison with Monte Carlo (threshold 1.3) command based?
 
  Best regards,
  Amirhossein Manzouri
 
 
 
 
  On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Douglas N Greve
  gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:
 
  I don't know what you mean. Can you elaborate?
  doug
 
  On 03/17/2014 01:19 PM, amirhossein manzouri wrote:
 
  Can I also use mri_surfcluster as it is in qdec since I want
  to compare the whole brain and masked brain results?
 
  Best regards,
  Amirhossein Manzouri
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Douglas N Greve
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  you are doing it the right way. There is no difference in the
  uncorrected analysis. There will be a difference when you
  correct
  for multiple comparisons
  doug
 
 
 
  On 03/14/2014 11:15 AM, amirhossein manzouri wrote:
 
  Dear Experts,
  I have read the previous posts in the list regarding
  restricted ROI analysis. So I generated my label from
  tksurfer
  and used that for group difference analysis by adding
  --label
  to mri_glmfit, but the result (sig.mgh) seems just a
  masked
  version of the analysis including whole brain ( no
  difference
  in significance! ). I expected to see a different
  pattern of
  significance by limiting the region. Would you please
  advise
  if I am doing this in a right way?
 
  Best regards,
  Amirhossein Manzouri
 
 
 
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Re: [Freesurfer] Restrict QDEC analysis to a region

2014-03-18 Thread Douglas Greve


yes


On 3/18/14 9:14 AM, amirhossein manzouri wrote:

Tanks doug,
Is it ok like this: mri_glmfit-sim --glmdir qdec/Untitled --cache 1.3 
neg ?


Best regards,
Amirhossein Manzouri




On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Douglas N Greve 
gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:



you will have to run the correction for multiple comparisons with
mri_glmfit-sim (ie, you can't do it in qdec).
doug


On 03/17/2014 02:03 PM, amirhossein manzouri wrote:
 Yes. Basically I want to see the effect of restricting the brain
area
 on the group comparison clusters from Monte Carlo Simulation
 (threshold 1.3). As you mentioned before from mdi_glmfit I just
get a
 masked version of whole brain analysis. How can I do the correction
 for multiple comparison with Monte Carlo (threshold 1.3) command
based?

 Best regards,
 Amirhossein Manzouri




 On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Douglas N Greve
 gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:

 I don't know what you mean. Can you elaborate?
 doug

 On 03/17/2014 01:19 PM, amirhossein manzouri wrote:

 Can I also use mri_surfcluster as it is in qdec since I want
 to compare the whole brain and masked brain results?

 Best regards,
 Amirhossein Manzouri




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 you are doing it the right way. There is no
difference in the
 uncorrected analysis. There will be a difference
when you
 correct
 for multiple comparisons
 doug



 On 03/14/2014 11:15 AM, amirhossein manzouri wrote:

 Dear Experts,
 I have read the previous posts in the list regarding
 restricted ROI analysis. So I generated my label
from
 tksurfer
 and used that for group difference analysis by
adding
 --label
 to mri_glmfit, but the result (sig.mgh) seems just a
 masked
 version of the analysis including whole brain ( no
 difference
 in significance! ). I expected to see a different
 pattern of
 significance by limiting the region. Would you
please
 advise
 if I am doing this in a right way?

 Best regards,
 Amirhossein Manzouri



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Re: [Freesurfer] fMRI contrasts in Freesurfer

2014-03-18 Thread Francesco Puccettone
OK, thanks!
Francesco


On 17 March 2014 17:50, Douglas N Greve gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:


 Hi Francesco, please remember to post to the list. Thanks! The baseline is
 a regressor with all ones, so it is measured throughout the scan, not just
 during the rests. This makes the other regression coefficients relative to
 baseline.

 doug


 On 03/17/2014 01:05 PM, Francesco Puccettone wrote:

 thank you Doug, I am just still not sure about comparing to the baseline
 vs comparing between conditions; since the baseline it's not one of the
 predictors, how is it exactly used to define the contrasts and influence
 the regression coefficients?

 And is it the case that the baseline is taken as the average of all
 non-stimulus (rest) periods in the scan, i.e. the zero periods in the
 block-design boxcar diagram?

 Thank you again,
 --Francesco


 On 17 March 2014 15:33, Douglas N Greve gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edumailto:
 gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:


 On 03/15/2014 06:35 PM, Francesco Puccettone wrote:
  Dear Freesurfer community:
 
  I have some (perhaps silly, but I think fundamental) questions about
  contrasts in functional analyses:
 
 
  1. When wanting to see what regions are activated by exposure to a
  certain stimulus (blocked-design), what is the exact stats that is
  happening voxel-wise:
 
  (i) correlation between the time series of the HRF-convoluted
 BOLD and
  that of the behavioural stimulus that was used, or
  (ii) t-test between the BOLD signal during the stimulus and the BOLD
  signal during a resting baseline
 
  If ii) is the answer, then is baseline taken as an average of all
  non-stimulus (rest) periods in the scan, i.e. the zero periods in
  the block-design boxcar diagram?
 Neither. A GLM is set up with regressors for you conditions and
 nuisance
 variables. The GLM is fit to the time course to compute a regression
 coefficient for each regressor. This is a multivariate operation and
 does not reduce to a simple correlation. For a task regressor, the
 regression coefficient indicates the amplitude of the HRF. This
 amplitude is tested with a t-test
 
 
 
  2. When wanting, on the other hand, to see what regions are
 active in
  condition A but not in condition B (so a comparison this time),
 is it
  the case that i) is no longer a choice and a t-test always has to be
  used between condition A and condition B? If so, is the
  stimulus-vs-baseline situation from the previous question just a
  special case of this, where condition B = (passive) baseline?
 This would be a conjunction analysis that does not reduce to a simple
 contrast.
 
 
 
  3. Is it the case that a contrast probing the difference between two
  groups is using independent samples t-tests, whereas one probing the
  within-subject difference between two time-points is using
  paired-samples t-tests?
 Between groups is independent two-sample. Within subject uses a
 GLM and
 does not reduce to a simple paired formula (but that is basically the
 right way to think about it)
 doug
 
 
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Re: [Freesurfer] One sample t-test in Qdec

2014-03-18 Thread Douglas Greve


It is constructing a GLM with design matrix with 2 columns  and N rows 
where each row is a subject. The row of  your patient gets 1 0 and the 
rows for the other subjects gets 0 1. When you set up a contrast with [1 
-1], you are comparing the value of the subject against the mean of the 
others.


doug


On 3/18/14 4:02 AM, Buse Merve Ürgen wrote:

Hello again,

Thanks for your quick response. In addition to my previous question, I 
would also like to learn what the default analysis in Qdec is actually 
doing.
For example, as I said previously, I have only one patient and a group 
of control participants. In that case, in my data table I'm giving a 
discrete group factor (patient, control) and the volume values of 
brain areas I'm interested in (several continuous factors). Then, I'm 
choosing group as my Selected factor (under Subject exclusions). 
When I say 'analyze', what the default analysis of Qdec is actually 
doing? Which statistics exactly? Since I have only one patient, is it 
computing the patient's mean as 0?


Thanks in advance,
Buse.



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Hi Buse, I think this is a two-sample t-test where the 2nd sample is
your individual. You should be able to this in qdec
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mailto:buseur...@gmail.com:


Hello,

I would like to learn whether we can conduct one-sample t-test
using Qdec.
I'm working on a single-case study, and I want to compare a single
subject's data with a group of controls (to see how this specific
subject is different from the group) in terms of volume, thickness
and meancurvature. As far as I know, we can do the analysis in
Terminal, but I would like to see  have the brain figure output
(cluster by cluster) in Qdec for one sample t-test as well. Is it
possible?

Thanks in advance,

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Re: [Freesurfer] Segmentation fault:11 with mris_anatomical_stats

2014-03-18 Thread Douglas Greve


Can you verify that the label does actually have label points in it? 
Just open it in a text editor or cat it to a terminal. If it does have 
points, send it to me. Also let me know which version of FS you are running.


doug

On 3/17/14 5:35 PM, Rupa Sabbineni wrote:



muen223-105-dhcp:subjects rupasabbineni$ mris_anatomical_stats -l 
new.label -a aparc.a2009s.annot -log outSUB1_lhVOL2 SUB1 lh
limiting computations to label 
/Volumes/DISK/Software/freesurfer/subjects/qdec/Results/new.label.

computing statistics for each annotation in aparc.a2009s.annot.
outputting results to outSUB1_lhVOL2...
reading volume 
/Volumes/DISK/Software/freesurfer/subjects/SUB1/mri/wm.mgz...
reading input surface 
/Volumes/DISK/Software/freesurfer/subjects/SUB1/surf/lh.white...
reading input pial surface 
/Volumes/DISK/Software/freesurfer/subjects/SUB1/surf/lh.pial...
reading input white surface 
/Volumes/DISK/Software/freesurfer/subjects/SUB1/surf/lh.white...

reading colortable from annotation file...
colortable with 76 entries read (originally 
/autofs/space/birn_044/users/christophe_atlas_rebuild//scripts_2008/Simple_surface_labels2009.txt)

Segmentation fault: 11


On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Rupa Sabbineni asabbin...@mrn.org 
mailto:asabbin...@mrn.org wrote:


Good morning!


I was trying to run the mris_anatomical_stats command and for some
subjects I keep getting Segmentation fault:11 error.

Some of the posts in the archive suggested that I run the
recon-all command since it usually means that subjects surfaces
are out of sync SO I RERAN RECON_ALL(which created the stats). 
Then I reran the mris_anatomical_stats command and got the

segmentation fault again.


The command im using is

mris_anatomical_stats -l new.label -a aparc.a2009s.annot -log
outSUB1_lhVOL2 SUB1 lh


A little background on the new.label. We got the label by doing a
regression in qdec at FDR 0.05 which created cluster and peak
cluster label.


Can anyone please provide me some insight on how to trouble shoot
this problem?

Thank you!

Rupa




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[Freesurfer] Mapping parcellation ROIs to the surface

2014-03-18 Thread Danielle Sliva
Dear FreeSurfer experts,

I am trying to find the surface ROIs for (volumetric) parcellation ROIs, 
as mentioned in:
Frye, RE et al. 2010. Surface Area Accounts for the Relation of Gray 
Matter Volume to Reading-Related Skills and History of Dyslexia. 
Cerebral Cortex 20:2625-2635.

I have run all subjects through the recon-all stream, and now want to 
project the inferior frontal, fusiform, angular, and supramarginal gyri 
to the surfaces. I've been able to find these ROIs in:

subject/label/aparc.annot.a2009s.ctab:
25  G_pariet_inf-Angular20  60 2200

and

subject/label/aparc.annot.ctab
07  fusiform180 220 1400
31  supramarginal80 160  200
18  parsopercularis220 180 140 0
20 parstriangularis220 60 20 0

For the above, I'm assuming this means that in the relevant volume files 
(aparc.a2009s.+aseg.mgz  aparc+aseg.mgz), the voxels with intensities 
as labelled correspond to to the gyri. How do I project these regions to 
the subject surfaces? I assume I must use 'mri_vol2surf', but there are 
so many options I'm not sure what to use. I'd very much appreciate some 
input!

Thanks in advance,
Danielle


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Re: [Freesurfer] Mapping parcellation ROIs to the surface

2014-03-18 Thread Douglas N Greve

These already exist on the surface in the form of annotation, so you can 
view them with something like

tksurfer subject lh inflated -annot aparc.annot

there are also stat summaries in the stats folder

doug


On 03/18/2014 10:10 AM, Danielle Sliva wrote:
 Dear FreeSurfer experts,

 I am trying to find the surface ROIs for (volumetric) parcellation ROIs,
 as mentioned in:
 Frye, RE et al. 2010. Surface Area Accounts for the Relation of Gray
 Matter Volume to Reading-Related Skills and History of Dyslexia.
 Cerebral Cortex 20:2625-2635.

 I have run all subjects through the recon-all stream, and now want to
 project the inferior frontal, fusiform, angular, and supramarginal gyri
 to the surfaces. I've been able to find these ROIs in:

 subject/label/aparc.annot.a2009s.ctab:
 25  G_pariet_inf-Angular20  60 2200

 and

 subject/label/aparc.annot.ctab
 07  fusiform180 220 1400
 31  supramarginal80 160  200
 18  parsopercularis220 180 140 0
 20 parstriangularis220 60 20 0

 For the above, I'm assuming this means that in the relevant volume files
 (aparc.a2009s.+aseg.mgz  aparc+aseg.mgz), the voxels with intensities
 as labelled correspond to to the gyri. How do I project these regions to
 the subject surfaces? I assume I must use 'mri_vol2surf', but there are
 so many options I'm not sure what to use. I'd very much appreciate some
 input!

 Thanks in advance,
 Danielle



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Re: [Freesurfer] FW: bug in surface-based area and volume, and use of total brain volume as a covariate

2014-03-18 Thread _andreia_
Hi all,

just two quick questions: to what FS version is this related? And what  
is wrong to do if one does not have the fix? Using what  
stats/procedures?

Thanks,
Andreia


Quoting Douglas N Greve gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu:

 why would one control for total brain volume in doing vertex-based
 analyses when the vertex-based measures are computed in standard space?

 The vertex-based measures are computed in individual space, not standard
 space
 doug


 On 03/17/2014 05:12 PM, Narly Golestani wrote:
 Dear Doug,

 Many thanks for your answers.

  3. The bug was related to how the measures were converted to standard
  space - I?d like to therefore confirm that when doing
  surface/vertex-based analyses, it is not necessary to use total brain
  volume as a covariate (whereas it is for ROI-based analyses).
 
 This question has nothing to do with the bug. People generally use ICV
 or total brain volume when exploring cortical volume or surface area,
 but it is inappropriate for thicknss studies
 doug
 

 Regarding the last point (which indeed has nothing to do with the bug,
 sorry for having given the impression that I thought that it did), why
 would one control for total brain volume in doing vertex-based
 analyses when the vertex-based measures are computed in standard
 space? I realize that this has to be done for ROI analyses since these
 measures are in native space.

 Thanks again, and best,
 Narly.


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Re: [Freesurfer] TRACULA preprocessing error, FreeSurfer 5.2.0

2014-03-18 Thread McGinnity, Colm
Dear Anastasia,

Hello, many thanks for your quick reply, sorry for the delay.

I have switched to 3-column format and that does indeed get the process a 
little further, so many thanks for that. Unfortunately however I get this new 
error during the trac-all -bedp stage:

An exception has been thrown
ERROR: Could not open image
/home/k1193186/FreeSurfer/TRACULA/ROLAND03A/dmri/data_slice_
Trace:read_volume4DROI.

I saw that similar errors had been identified in the past, but I wasn't really 
clear from the dialogue what the cause was or how to correct. Could you 
explain, please?

I have tried to run bedpostx directly as previously advised, it seems to be 
running at present. 
IF it is successful, can I just always do this instead and then continue with 
trac-all -path? Or do I need to use trac-all -bedp specifically?

 
Many thanks in advance,
Best wishes,
Colm.

Colm McGinnity 
King's College London 


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From: Anastasia Yendiki [mailto:ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu] 
Sent: 11 March 2014 00:39
To: McGinnity, Colm
Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] TRACULA preprocessing error, FreeSurfer 5.2.0


Hi Colm - Note that the information in the tutorial (particularly the part 
where gradient tables can be formatted in 3 rows or 3 columns) pertains to the 
latest tracula update:
http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/Tracula#Updates

You're using an older version that only supports the 3-column format. I have no 
idea if this is what's causing the error without looking at your trac-all.log, 
but this would be a first guess.

a.y

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014, McGinnity, Colm wrote:

 Dear Experts,
  
 I am very new to TRACULA, I apologise for what is probably a silly question.
  
 I’ve got the following error on running trac-all –prep (FreeSurfer 5.2.0):
  
 awk: cmd. line:1: fatal: cannot open file `0' for reading (No such 
 file or
 directory)
 mri_concat --i
 /home/k1193186/FreeSurfer/TRACULA/ROLAND03A/dmri/dwi_frame.nii.gz 
 --mean --o /home/k1193186/ 
 FreeSurfer/TRACULA/ROLAND03A/dmri/lowb.nii.gz
 niiRead(): error opening file /home/k1193186/ 
 FreeSurfer/TRACULA/ROLAND03A/dmri/dwi_frame.nii.gz
 ninputs = 1
 Checking inputs
 ERROR: reading
 /home/k1193186/FreeSurfer/TRACULA/ROLAND03A/dmri/dwi_frame.nii.gz
  
 Can anyone tell me what this means and how to fix this, please?
 I’m guessing I’ve set up my configuration wrong or have the files in 
 the wrong place?
  
 Many thanks!
 Best wishes,
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[Freesurfer] selxavg3-sess error

2014-03-18 Thread SHAHIN NASR
Hi,
   When I run selxavg3-sess, I face this error:

ERROR: cannot find volume matching
/autofs/cluster/tootell/pitcairn/1/shahin/ColorPrj/7T/Sbj/myla2/bold_Color/013/mcextreg
ERROR: loading nonpar reg
/autofs/cluster/tootell/pitcairn/1/shahin/ColorPrj/7T/Sbj/myla2/bold_Color/013/mcextreg
--
ERROR: fast_selxavg3() failed\n

  I repeated the preproc-sess from scratch and it worked fine, finished
without any problem and I still get the same error.  I even check the
registration in this run and it fine.

  Now I am wondering why do I see this error for this subjects (and why I
don't see it for the other subjects)?

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Re: [Freesurfer] TRACULA preprocessing error, FreeSurfer 5.2.0

2014-03-18 Thread Anastasia Yendiki


Hi Colm - Yes, it's fine to run bedpostx directly, with the path to the 
dmri directory as its argument.


Since you're using 5.2, note that although there were no issues with 
tracula in that version, it is not advisable to use freesurfer recons 
produced with 5.2. There was a bug in that version, which is why 5.3 was 
released shortly after 5.2:

http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/ReleaseNotes

Hope this helps,
a.y

On Tue, 18 Mar 2014, McGinnity, Colm wrote:


Dear Anastasia,

Hello, many thanks for your quick reply, sorry for the delay.

I have switched to 3-column format and that does indeed get the process a 
little further, so many thanks for that. Unfortunately however I get this new 
error during the trac-all -bedp stage:

An exception has been thrown
ERROR: Could not open image
/home/k1193186/FreeSurfer/TRACULA/ROLAND03A/dmri/data_slice_
Trace:read_volume4DROI.

I saw that similar errors had been identified in the past, but I wasn't really 
clear from the dialogue what the cause was or how to correct. Could you 
explain, please?

I have tried to run bedpostx directly as previously advised, it seems to be 
running at present.
IF it is successful, can I just always do this instead and then continue with 
trac-all -path? Or do I need to use trac-all -bedp specifically?


Many thanks in advance,
Best wishes,
Colm.

Colm McGinnity
King's College London


-Original Message-
From: Anastasia Yendiki [mailto:ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu]
Sent: 11 March 2014 00:39
To: McGinnity, Colm
Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] TRACULA preprocessing error, FreeSurfer 5.2.0


Hi Colm - Note that the information in the tutorial (particularly the part 
where gradient tables can be formatted in 3 rows or 3 columns) pertains to the 
latest tracula update:
http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/Tracula#Updates

You're using an older version that only supports the 3-column format. I have no 
idea if this is what's causing the error without looking at your trac-all.log, 
but this would be a first guess.

a.y

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014, McGinnity, Colm wrote:


Dear Experts,
 
I am very new to TRACULA, I apologise for what is probably a silly question.
 
I’ve got the following error on running trac-all –prep (FreeSurfer 5.2.0):
 
awk: cmd. line:1: fatal: cannot open file `0' for reading (No such
file or
directory)
mri_concat --i
/home/k1193186/FreeSurfer/TRACULA/ROLAND03A/dmri/dwi_frame.nii.gz
--mean --o /home/k1193186/
FreeSurfer/TRACULA/ROLAND03A/dmri/lowb.nii.gz
niiRead(): error opening file /home/k1193186/
FreeSurfer/TRACULA/ROLAND03A/dmri/dwi_frame.nii.gz
ninputs = 1
Checking inputs
ERROR: reading
/home/k1193186/FreeSurfer/TRACULA/ROLAND03A/dmri/dwi_frame.nii.gz
 
Can anyone tell me what this means and how to fix this, please?
I’m guessing I’ve set up my configuration wrong or have the files in
the wrong place?
 
Many thanks!
Best wishes,
Colm.
King's College London
 
 
 





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[Freesurfer] Recon process

2014-03-18 Thread Lin, Amy (NIH/NIMH) [F]
Hello all,

I think this is a fairly simple question, but I could not find an existing 
answer online. If I close out the terminal window while recon is running, will 
the process end? I've had the issue in the past where my computer has gone to 
sleep and the process ends up exiting with error.

Also, is it possible to rerun a recon command after a previous failed attempt 
without being prompted to delete the older files that had already been made? I 
know that usually if you attempt to rerun a recon command after you have 
already tried, you're usually prompted to remove the older files. This time 
around, I wasn't ever prompted to do that but the scripts show that the last 
time recon-all ran, it completed without error.

Thanks very much!

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Re: [Freesurfer] FW: bug in surface-based area and volume, and use of total brain volume as a covariate

2014-03-18 Thread Narly Golestani

  why would one control for total brain volume in doing vertex-based
analyses when the vertex-based measures are computed in standard space?

The vertex-based measures are computed in individual space, not standard
space
doug

Many thanks Doug, 
Best wishes, 
Narly.

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[Freesurfer] ADC, Radial diffusivity, Axial diffusivity and thresholds

2014-03-18 Thread Yuko Yotsumoto
Hello FreeSurfer experts,

I have a question regarding DTI analysis.

I understand that FA values ranges 0-1, and the values are often thresholded by 
0.2.
Now I am asked to report ADC, RD, AD values in my ROIs, and wondering what 
would be the most reasonable way.

[1] Do not apply thresholds, just average the values within a ROI.
[2] Use some arbitrary thresholds to each of ADC, RD, AD.
[3] create a mask that contains voxels of the above-threshold-FAvalues, then, 
calculate mean within the mask.

Any suggestions?

Best,
Yuko Yotsumoto


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Re: [Freesurfer] ADC, Radial diffusivity, Axial diffusivity and thresholds

2014-03-18 Thread Anastasia Yendiki

Hi Yuko - Option 3, using the same FA threshold to create a mask for all 
measures makes sense.

a.y

On Wed, 19 Mar 2014, Yuko Yotsumoto wrote:

 Hello FreeSurfer experts,

 I have a question regarding DTI analysis.

 I understand that FA values ranges 0-1, and the values are often thresholded 
 by 0.2.
 Now I am asked to report ADC, RD, AD values in my ROIs, and wondering what 
 would be the most reasonable way.

 [1] Do not apply thresholds, just average the values within a ROI.
 [2] Use some arbitrary thresholds to each of ADC, RD, AD.
 [3] create a mask that contains voxels of the above-threshold-FAvalues, then, 
 calculate mean within the mask.

 Any suggestions?

 Best,
 Yuko Yotsumoto


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