[Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes

2016-10-03 Thread Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha
Dear Douglas,


I have a segmented gyrus curvature file (.curv or .w) and I would like to 
calculate the volume (and other statistics) of this gyrus.


I currently only know mris_anatomical_stats to perform that, but requiring a 
'.label' file.


Can I extract statistics directly from the ".curv" file?


Or can I convert directly from .curv to .label in order to extract these 
statistics?


As another option, is it feasible to convert the '.curv' file to nifti volume 
(mri_surf2vol), binarize it (mri_binarize), and then convert to label 
(mri_cor2label)?


What does the output nifti file from 'mri_surf2vol' contain? Does it contain 
the complete volume behind the surface? Or does it only contain the surface 
over the 3D space?


Thank you very much in advance for your help!


Best regards,

Josue
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Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes

2016-10-05 Thread Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha
Dear Douglas,

I have a ".curv" file that contains the curvature information inside an 
automatically delineated ROI and 0 everywhere else.
I would like to calculate the volume of this ROI,

Can I extract statistics directly from the ".curv" file?

Best regards,
Josue

From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
 on behalf of Douglas N Greve 

Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 9:41 PM
To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes

What is the nature of the segmentation? Is it just a binary (1=in,
0=out) segmentation? And what file format? In general we don't use .w
anymore, but it can be converted into something else.

doug


On 10/03/2016 12:35 PM, Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha wrote:
>
> Dear Douglas,
>
>
> I have a segmented gyrus curvature file (.curv or .w) and I would like
> to calculate the volume (and other statistics) of this gyrus.
>
>
> I currently only know mris_anatomical_stats to perform that, but
> requiring a '.label' file.
>
>
> Can I extract statistics directly from the ".curv" file?
>
>
> Or can I convert directly from .curv to .label in order to extract
> these statistics?
>
>
> As another option, is it feasible to convert the '.curv' file to nifti
> volume (mri_surf2vol), binarize it (mri_binarize), and then convert to
> label (mri_cor2label)?
>
>
> What does the output nifti file from 'mri_surf2vol' contain? Does it
> contain the complete volume behind the surface? Or does it only
> contain the surface over the 3D space?
>
>
> Thank you very much in advance for your help!
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Josue
>
>
>
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Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes

2016-10-05 Thread Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha
Dear Bruce,

Thank you very much for your answer!

Can I convert the data from '.curv' to '.label' in order to extract the volume?

What I was trying to do was to convert the '.curv' file to nifti volume 
(mri_surf2vol), binarize it (mri_binarize), and then convert to label 
(mri_cor2label).
Is it a correct way to extract the volumes from a '.curv' file? 

Best regards,
Josue


From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
 on behalf of Bruce Fischl 

Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 3:30 PM
To: Freesurfer support list
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes

Hi Josue

the *.curv won't help you with the volume. If it is a label file you
should be able to give it to mris_anatomical_stats with -l  to
compute the volume

cheers
Bruce

On
Wed, 5 Oct 2016, Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha wrote:

> Dear Douglas,
>
> I have a ".curv" file that contains the curvature information inside an 
> automatically delineated ROI and 0 everywhere else.
> I would like to calculate the volume of this ROI,
>
> Can I extract statistics directly from the ".curv" file?
>
> Best regards,
> Josue
> 
> From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
>  on behalf of Douglas N Greve 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 9:41 PM
> To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes
>
> What is the nature of the segmentation? Is it just a binary (1=in,
> 0=out) segmentation? And what file format? In general we don't use .w
> anymore, but it can be converted into something else.
>
> doug
>
>
> On 10/03/2016 12:35 PM, Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha wrote:
>>
>> Dear Douglas,
>>
>>
>> I have a segmented gyrus curvature file (.curv or .w) and I would like
>> to calculate the volume (and other statistics) of this gyrus.
>>
>>
>> I currently only know mris_anatomical_stats to perform that, but
>> requiring a '.label' file.
>>
>>
>> Can I extract statistics directly from the ".curv" file?
>>
>>
>> Or can I convert directly from .curv to .label in order to extract
>> these statistics?
>>
>>
>> As another option, is it feasible to convert the '.curv' file to nifti
>> volume (mri_surf2vol), binarize it (mri_binarize), and then convert to
>> label (mri_cor2label)?
>>
>>
>> What does the output nifti file from 'mri_surf2vol' contain? Does it
>> contain the complete volume behind the surface? Or does it only
>> contain the surface over the 3D space?
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much in advance for your help!
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Josue
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes

2016-10-12 Thread Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha
Dear Doug,

Thank you very much for your advice!
We get to extract results for the volumes from a ".curv file encoded ROI" using 
your recommended command lines (mri_binarize and mri_segstats ), but 
unfortunately the results are much smaller (around 3 times) than when we 
extract total gray matter volumes from a respective ".label file encoded ROI" 
using mris_anatomical_stats .

Example:
Volumes from a ".curv file encoded ROI" using your recommended command lines 
(mri_binarize and mri_segstats):
Subject1 = 1090
Subject2 = 1181
Subject3 = 713
Subject4 = 1230
Volumes from a respective ".label file encoded ROI" (mris_anatomical_stats):
Subject1 = 3497
Subject2 = 3786
Subject3 = 2268
Subject4 = 3491

Are the volumes extracted from a ".curv file encoded ROI" (using mri_binarize 
and mri_segstats) an estimation of the total gray matter volumes?
Why these values are differing that much?

Thank you very much,
Josue Dalboni

From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
 on behalf of Douglas N Greve 

Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 5:19 PM
To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes

I would binarize the curv file with

mri_binarize --i lh.yourcurvfile --abs --min .001 --o
lh.yourcurvfilebin.mgh

Then compute the volume with

mri_segstats --seg lh.yourcurvfilebin.mgh --id 1 --i lh.volume
--accumulate --sum lh.vol.yourcurv.sum


On 10/05/2016 09:09 AM, Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha wrote:
> Dear Douglas,
>
> I have a ".curv" file that contains the curvature information inside an 
> automatically delineated ROI and 0 everywhere else.
> I would like to calculate the volume of this ROI,
>
> Can I extract statistics directly from the ".curv" file?
>
> Best regards,
> Josue
> 
> From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
>  on behalf of Douglas N Greve 
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 9:41 PM
> To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes
>
> What is the nature of the segmentation? Is it just a binary (1=in,
> 0=out) segmentation? And what file format? In general we don't use .w
> anymore, but it can be converted into something else.
>
> doug
>
>
> On 10/03/2016 12:35 PM, Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha wrote:
>> Dear Douglas,
>>
>>
>> I have a segmented gyrus curvature file (.curv or .w) and I would like
>> to calculate the volume (and other statistics) of this gyrus.
>>
>>
>> I currently only know mris_anatomical_stats to perform that, but
>> requiring a '.label' file.
>>
>>
>> Can I extract statistics directly from the ".curv" file?
>>
>>
>> Or can I convert directly from .curv to .label in order to extract
>> these statistics?
>>
>>
>> As another option, is it feasible to convert the '.curv' file to nifti
>> volume (mri_surf2vol), binarize it (mri_binarize), and then convert to
>> label (mri_cor2label)?
>>
>>
>> What does the output nifti file from 'mri_surf2vol' contain? Does it
>> contain the complete volume behind the surface? Or does it only
>> contain the surface over the 3D space?
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much in advance for your help!
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Josue
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes

2016-10-14 Thread Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha
Dear Doug,


From the curvature file of the ROI (selected portion of surface), we extract 
the volume using this 2 command lines:

mri_binarize --i $D_load/lh_masked_all.curv --max -.001 --o 
$D_load/lh_masked_all_bin.mgh
mri_segstats --seg $D_load/lh_masked_all_bin.mgh --id 1 --i 
$SUBJECTS_DIR/$subj/surf/lh.volume --accumulate --sum 
$D_load/lh_masked_all_bin.txt

From the label file of the same ROI, we extract the volume using the following 
command line:
mris_anatomical_stats -l 
$SUBJECTS_DIR/$subj/label/labelsAtlas2009/lh_masked_all.label -f 
$outD/lh_masked_all_Volume $subj lh


As the '.curv' file and the '.label' file represent the same ROI, we were 
expecting to get the same volume (total gray matter volume of the selected 
portion of surface). But the results using the first method are always about 3 
time higher than using the second method.

We would like to understand what is going on, because for some selected 
portions of ROI we just have the '.curv' file to extract the volume from.

Thank you very much for your help!

​Best regards,
Josue



From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
 on behalf of Douglas Greve 

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:54 PM
To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes


please send command lines

On 10/14/16 6:36 AM, Damien MARIE wrote:
Hi,

Just adding a word about the e-mail of ma colleague Josue. What he meant is 
that he extracted volumes for exactly the same ROI (a merging of destrieux 
labels of Hechl’s gyrus, Heschl's sulcus and planum temporale) using 1- a .curv 
file of this ROI, mri_binarize and mri_segstats  or 2- a .label file of this 
ROI and mris_anatomical_stats.

We get a different volume output (ratio of difference between the 2 methods = 
approx. 2.5, similar to mean thickness I would say…), so we would like to 
understand what is happening exactly.

Using the method 1, it’s actually a surface measurement we get no?

Would that be possible to convert a .cuvr file to a .label file ?

Thank you and best,
Damien


Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha Wed, 12 Oct 2016 07:26:32 -0700
Dear Doug,

Thank you very much for your advice!
We get to extract results for the volumes from a ".curv file encoded ROI" using
your recommended command lines (mri_binarize and mri_segstats ), but
unfortunately the results are much smaller (around 3 times) than when we
extract total gray matter volumes from a respective ".label file encoded ROI"
using mris_anatomical_stats .
Example:
Volumes from a ".curv file encoded ROI" using your recommended command lines
(mri_binarize and mri_segstats):
Subject1 = 1090
Subject2 = 1181
Subject3 = 713
Subject4 = 1230
Volumes from a respective ".label file encoded ROI" (mris_anatomical_stats):
Subject1 = 3497
Subject2 = 3786
Subject3 = 2268
Subject4 = 3491

Are the volumes extracted from a ".curv file encoded ROI" (using mri_binarize
and mri_segstats) an estimation of the total gray matter volumes?
Why these values are differing that much?

Thank you very much,
Josue Dalboni

From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu<http://nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
http://nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> on behalf 
of Douglas N Greve
http://nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 5:19 PM
To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu<mailto:freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes

I would binarize the curv file with

mri_binarize --i lh.yourcurvfile --abs --min .001 --o
lh.yourcurvfilebin.mgh

Then compute the volume with

mri_segstats --seg lh.yourcurvfilebin.mgh --id 1 --i lh.volume
--accumulate --sum lh.vol.yourcurv.sum


On 10/05/2016 09:09 AM, Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha wrote:
> Dear Douglas,
>
> I have a ".curv" file that contains the curvature information inside an
> automatically delineated ROI and 0 everywhere else.
> I would like to calculate the volume of this ROI,
>
> Can I extract statistics directly from the ".curv" file?
>
> Best regards,
> Josue
> 
> From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu<http://nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> http://nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> on 
> behalf of Douglas N Greve
> http://nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 9:41 PM
> To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu<mailto:freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes
>
> What is the nature of the segmentation? Is it just a binary (1=in,
> 0=out) segmentation? And what file format? In general we don't use .w
> anymore, but it can be converted into something else.
>
> doug
>
>
> On 10/03/2016 12:35 PM, Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha wrote:
>> Dear Douglas,
>>
>>
>> I have a segmented gyrus cur

Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes

2016-10-17 Thread Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha
Dear Doug,


Thank you for your reply!


This label on this specific case is basically the sum of the labels from 
Heschl's Gyrus, Heschl's Sulcus and Planum temporale.

The labels from Heschl's Gyrus, Heschl's Sulcus and Planum temporale are 
firstly produced inside 'Recon-all'.

The aggregation of these 3 labels is produced  by the following command line:

mri_mergelabels -i 
$SUBJECTS_DIR/$subj/label/labelsAtlas2009/​lh.G_temp_sup-G_T_transv.label -i  
$SUBJECTS_DIR/$subj/label/labelsAtlas2009/lh.G_temp_sup-Plan_tempo.label -i 
$SUBJECTS_DIR/$subj/label/labelsAtlas2009/​lh.S_temporal_transverse.label -o 
$SUBJECTS_DIR/$subj/label/labelsAtlas2009/lh_masked_all.label

The volume calculated by 'mris_anatomical_stats' ​of the aggregated label is 
equal to the sum of the volumes from these 3 labels produced during "Recon-all'.


But the issue is these values differ from the one obtained using "mri_binarize" 
and "mri_segstats" based on the '.curv' file of the portion of surface 
(Heschl's Gyrus + Heschl's Sulcus + Planum temporale).


Best regards,

Josue



From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
 on behalf of Douglas Greve 

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 7:01 PM
To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes


How did you create the label ?

On 10/14/16 12:43 PM, Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha wrote:

Dear Doug,


From the curvature file of the ROI (selected portion of surface), we extract 
the volume using this 2 command lines:

mri_binarize --i $D_load/lh_masked_all.curv --max -.001 --o 
$D_load/lh_masked_all_bin.mgh
mri_segstats --seg $D_load/lh_masked_all_bin.mgh --id 1 --i 
$SUBJECTS_DIR/$subj/surf/lh.volume --accumulate --sum 
$D_load/lh_masked_all_bin.txt

From the label file of the same ROI, we extract the volume using the following 
command line:
mris_anatomical_stats -l 
$SUBJECTS_DIR/$subj/label/labelsAtlas2009/lh_masked_all.label -f 
$outD/lh_masked_all_Volume $subj lh


As the '.curv' file and the '.label' file represent the same ROI, we were 
expecting to get the same volume (total gray matter volume of the selected 
portion of surface). But the results using the first method are always about 3 
time higher than using the second method.

We would like to understand what is going on, because for some selected 
portions of ROI we just have the '.curv' file to extract the volume from.

Thank you very much for your help!

​Best regards,
Josue



From: 
freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu<mailto:freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
 
<mailto:freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
 on behalf of Douglas Greve 
<mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 5:54 PM
To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu<mailto:freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Quantifying volumes


please send command lines

On 10/14/16 6:36 AM, Damien MARIE wrote:
Hi,

Just adding a word about the e-mail of ma colleague Josue. What he meant is 
that he extracted volumes for exactly the same ROI (a merging of destrieux 
labels of Hechl’s gyrus, Heschl's sulcus and planum temporale) using 1- a .curv 
file of this ROI, mri_binarize and mri_segstats  or 2- a .label file of this 
ROI and mris_anatomical_stats.

We get a different volume output (ratio of difference between the 2 methods = 
approx. 2.5, similar to mean thickness I would say…), so we would like to 
understand what is happening exactly.

Using the method 1, it’s actually a surface measurement we get no?

Would that be possible to convert a .cuvr file to a .label file ?

Thank you and best,
Damien


Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha Wed, 12 Oct 2016 07:26:32 -0700
Dear Doug,

Thank you very much for your advice!
We get to extract results for the volumes from a ".curv file encoded ROI" using
your recommended command lines (mri_binarize and mri_segstats ), but
unfortunately the results are much smaller (around 3 times) than when we
extract total gray matter volumes from a respective ".label file encoded ROI"
using mris_anatomical_stats .
Example:
Volumes from a ".curv file encoded ROI" using your recommended command lines
(mri_binarize and mri_segstats):
Subject1 = 1090
Subject2 = 1181
Subject3 = 713
Subject4 = 1230
Volumes from a respective ".label file encoded ROI" (mris_anatomical_stats):
Subject1 = 3497
Subject2 = 3786
Subject3 = 2268
Subject4 = 3491

Are the volumes extracted from a ".curv file encoded ROI" (using mri_binarize
and mri_segstats) an estimation of the total gray matter volumes?
Why these values are differing that much?

Thank you very much,
Josue Dalboni

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http://nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> on behalf 

[Freesurfer] White matter volume of a costumized Gyrus

2017-05-09 Thread Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha
Dear Freesurfer team,


I am working with calculated volumes of a gyrus (a costumized label).

I currently use mris_anatomical_stats to calculate the volumes of my gyrus (in 
label format).

According to the freesurfer tutorial (as I understood), one of the stats 
outputted from mris_anatomical_stats is the volume of the gray matter 
surrounding the white/gray matter border (a surface) specified by the inputted 
label.

We are actually interested in the white matter volume (instead of gray matter 
volume) inside this ROI (a gyrus in our case) specified by the label.

I didn't find yet a command in freesurfer from where I can extract the white 
matter volume of a gyrus from a costumized label.

Could someone advise me?


Best regards,

Josue
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[Freesurfer] Gray matter volume calculation

2017-05-30 Thread Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha
Dear Freesurfer team,


We are analyzing the gray matter volume of some customized labels, using 
mris_anatomical_stats.

We are wondering about some characteristics of the obtained volume.


Is the volume of a label (as calculated by mris_anatomical_stats) the sum of 
the volume elements of each vertex contained in that label (considering the 
volume elements per vertices stored in the file '?h.volume' inside the 'surf' 
folder)?


Is the 'volume element per vertex' (?h.volume) calculated from the 'white 
surface area element per vertex' (?h.white), 'pial surface area element per 
vertex' (?h.pial) and 'thickness element per vertex' (?h.thickness) ?


What would be the formula to calculate 'volume element per vertex'?


Bests,

Josue
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[Freesurfer] Mean Curvature for whole hemisphere

2020-11-25 Thread Josue Luiz Dalboni Da Rocha
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Dear FreeSurfer,


Why an average whole hemispherical value for mean curvature is not provided by 
Qdec?

Is there geometrical reason?


Best regards,

Josue
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