Re: [Freesurfer] hippo_subfields questions

2012-07-19 Thread Koen Van Leemput
Hi Gabriel,

It is not the case that the hippocampal subfield segmentation routines
simply subdivide the aseg hippocampus segmentation - instead, it only
uses the aseg results for initialization purposes, and computes
everything else directly from the original MR data from that point
onwards. Therefore, it's perfectly possible find differences between
the two estimates.

My recommendation would be to look at the segmentations visually
rather than simply relying on the quantitative tables. Do the subfield
segmentations look reasonable?

I should add the we have a recent paper
(http://nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/~koen/IglesiasMICCAI2012.pdf) showing that
the global hippocampal volume computed by adding the subfield volumes
yields better discrimination between AD patients and controls than the
standard FreeSurfer aseg volumes.

Hope this helps,

Koen


On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Gabriel Gonzalez Escamilla
 wrote:
> Dear Fresurfer experts and Koen Van Leemput
>
> I have made the hippocampal subfield segmentation of a group a subject in
> which is supposed to take the hippocampus from the aseg segmentation and
> calculate the new subfields segmentations inside this hippocampus of each
> hemisphere, am I right?
> If so, The volumes between the aseg and the summed subfields are supposed to
> be nearly the same,
> I have checked the volume outputs from both the aseg and the subfield
> segmentations, but even when some of them seem to change subtely, some
> others seem to be quite different, more than I did expect.
>
> Here are some examples:
> summ-segmentaseg  --> Volume in 1mm^3
> 2696.63932660 --> this difference is the lowest I'd get ~37
> 2116.8542592 --> aseg volume greater than summed volumes from
> subfields ~475
> 4002.35354764 --> aseg volume greater than summed volumes from subfields
> ~762
> 2110.32351914 --> summed volumes from subfields greater than the aseg vol
> ~196
>
>
> I'm just wondering if this is normal, or if it could be some kind of trouble
> when making the subfield segmentations of my subjects?
> can any one exaplain to me why the differences can be so random between my
> subjects?
>
> Many thanks in advanced,
> Gabriel.
>
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[Freesurfer] hippo_subfields questions

2012-07-10 Thread Gabriel Gonzalez Escamilla
Dear Fresurfer experts and Koen Van LeemputI have made the hippocampal subfield segmentation of a group a subject in which is supposed to take the hippocampus from the aseg segmentation and calculate the new subfields segmentations inside this hippocampus of each hemisphere, am I right?If so, The volumes between the aseg and the summed subfields are supposed to be nearly the same,I have checked the volume outputs from both the aseg and the subfield segmentations, but even when some of them seem to change subtely, some others seem to be quite different, more than I did expect. Here are some examples:summ-segmentaseg  --> Volume in 1mm^3 2696.63932660 --> this difference is the lowest I'd get ~37 2116.854        2592 --> aseg volume greater than summed volumes from subfields ~4754002.35354764 --> aseg volume greater than summed volumes from subfields ~7622110.32351914 --> summed volumes from subfields greater than the aseg vol ~196I'm just wondering if this is normal, or if it could be some kind of trouble when making the subfield segmentations of my subjects? can any one exaplain to me why the differences can be so random between my subjects?Many thanks in advanced,Gabriel.
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