[Freevo-devel] Fwd: [xine-devel] Proposal for a common D-Bus interface for media players
Are you [freevo developers] interested in this? Mike -- Forwarded message -- From: Rafaël Carré <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Dec 5, 2006 7:42 AM Subject: [xine-devel] Proposal for a common D-Bus interface for media players To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], gnome-multimedia@gnome.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I'm a developer of VLC Media Player [1] I've been working recently of a D-Bus [2] control interface for VLC, to permit other applications to interact with VLC. This implements basic functions such as: - playback control (Play/Pause/Next..) - information on medias (Meta-data/Length) - playlist editing (Add new elements to play) I've been looking at how other media players already implemented that, and I thought all their interfaces were highly redundant, and could benefit of implementing a single, common, shared interface. That would let developers use this interface in their programs, and let their users decide of which media player they wanna use. All about FREEDOM. A developer of bmp-x [3], Milosz Derezynski[4], already had this idea more than one year ago, so this is not very new. You can find his work, the MPRIS (Media Player Remote Interface Specification) at [5]. I've copied this specification on the videolan wiki [6], and modified it to my needs. I tried to keep it as general as possible. However this still needs more work, and comments. This is why i'm reaching you, developers of some media players, to comment what i've done or work with me, until that specification fulfills your needs, and can be used in a real world. This specification should stay as generic as possible, because media players that want to make specific methods available with D-Bus can do it through their specific interface. For example, basic methods would be available on the service org.freedesktop.MediaPlayer and VLC would make streaming methods available on the service org.videolan.vlc. So, a basic control applet for the KDE panel originally written for amarok would be able to control VLC, and a complex pygtk script would control streaming features of VLC. I'm asking you to read [6]. I strongly encourage you to edit the wiki and send me your comments. However, if D-Bus is something you're interested in but don't have time to work on, please let me know with a quick message. Thanks for taking the time to read this message, and thanks to Milosz Derezynski for his work on MPRIS, and having pushed me to work on that. [1]http://www.videolan.org/vlc [2] http://dbus.freedesktop.org [3] http://bmpx.beep-media-player.org [4] http://bmpx.beep-media-player.org/site/User:Mderezynski [5] http://bmpx.beep-media-player.org/site/MPRIS [6] http://wiki.videolan.org/index.php/DBus-spec -- Rafaël Carré - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ xine-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/xine-devel pgps4FDB1TxoZ.pgp Description: PGP signature - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] Using encoding server
mike lewis wrote: > On 12/4/06, Duncan Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Evan Hisey wrote: >>> Agree with mike on this one or even for converting TV mpegs to DVD >>> suitable ones. After looking at the encoder menu, it looks like some >>> thing that could be configured with encoding options in local_conf.py. >>> Or at least disable/enable only certain formats. For example the >>> version of MPlayer that I compile for slackware does not seem to have >>> xvid encoding available( looking in to fixing this). >>> >>> Evan >>> >>> On 12/3/06, mike lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 12/3/06, Duncan Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Evan Hisey wrote: >> Duncan- >> How do you use the encoding server? I have, i think all the plugins >> loaded and the idlebar says it is running but has no jobs. > Only works for mpeg files and DVDs, doesn't make sense for avi files and > maybe other video types. > I disagree. This is a good feature to drop the size of any recording or already re-encoded recording to something ipod'able. >> So you would like to re-encode an avi to an avi, or what is the >> container for ipods? >> > I don't have an ipod ;-). But, I do have a DVD burner so burning from > avi to dvd is something I would like right now.. But someone on the > user list was asking about them? Or was that you? > >> I have been thinking about changing the menu to act a bit like >> favourites on the TV menu, i.e. sub-menus for each item. >> > I tried hacking on the encoding server about 14 months ago. I tried > to extend the menu show you could configure your options. The idea > was to have a selection of preset options that you could scroll > though and select, like file type, screen resolution, audio stream > type; and then hit go. > > However.. I failed miserably and also lost the code ;-). The encodingcore takes as an argument a tuple which passes the settings, this need to be changed to a dictionary to allow more flexibility. I would like to have the choice of the video container, avi, mkv, the choice of audio, mp2, mp3, ogg, the choice of bit-rates and the choice of encoder. AFAIK ipods like x264. :) den_RDC wrote the original code and I've hacked it to work in freevo-1 and added re-encode. From this work it should not be too hard to do but it is a biggish job. > Would be very impressed and thankfull to anyone who could make > something similar.. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] Using encoding server
On 12/4/06, Duncan Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Evan Hisey wrote: > > Agree with mike on this one or even for converting TV mpegs to DVD > > suitable ones. After looking at the encoder menu, it looks like some > > thing that could be configured with encoding options in local_conf.py. > > Or at least disable/enable only certain formats. For example the > > version of MPlayer that I compile for slackware does not seem to have > > xvid encoding available( looking in to fixing this). > > > > Evan > > > > On 12/3/06, mike lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 12/3/06, Duncan Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Evan Hisey wrote: > Duncan- > How do you use the encoding server? I have, i think all the plugins > loaded and the idlebar says it is running but has no jobs. > >>> Only works for mpeg files and DVDs, doesn't make sense for avi files and > >>> maybe other video types. > >>> > >> I disagree. This is a good feature to drop the size of any recording > >> or already re-encoded recording to something ipod'able. > > So you would like to re-encode an avi to an avi, or what is the > container for ipods? > I don't have an ipod ;-). But, I do have a DVD burner so burning from avi to dvd is something I would like right now.. But someone on the user list was asking about them? Or was that you? > I have been thinking about changing the menu to act a bit like > favourites on the TV menu, i.e. sub-menus for each item. > I tried hacking on the encoding server about 14 months ago. I tried to extend the menu show you could configure your options. The idea was to have a selection of preset options that you could scroll though and select, like file type, screen resolution, audio stream type; and then hit go. However.. I failed miserably and also lost the code ;-). Would be very impressed and thankfull to anyone who could make something similar.. Mike > Duncan. > > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > ___ > Freevo-devel mailing list > Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] Patch for ivtv_xine_tv
Has this ever made in to the feature tracker? or the SVN? Evan On 12/3/06, Justin Wetherell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can someone re-send this patch, i'd like to give it a try. > > > On 11/29/06, Paul Sijben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I did not see the original mail come by. Could someone please resend > > that one? > > > > Paul > > > > Richard van Paasen wrote: > > > Havaar, > > > > > > Great feature, it should indeed be added to the 1.6.0 branch. Duncann is > > > maintaining the 1.x tree of Freevo and he's the one that includes > patches. > > > > > > Please submit your patch to sourceforge. You can open a feature request > > > and attach your patch on: > > > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=46652&atid=446898 > > > > > > Of course I can do it for you if you want, but the honours are yours :-) > > > > > > Richard. > > > > > > Haavar Valeur wrote: > > >> Hi. > > >> I attached a simple patch for ivtv_xine_tv plugin. The patch adds > > >> support setting the channel higher than 9 with the numeric inputs on > > >> the remote. > > >> > > >> What this code does is multiplying the previous input with 10 if the > > >> next input happened within 3 seconds. The effect of this is that the > > >> channel is set to 32 if you press 3 and then 2 within 3 seconds. > > >> > > >> The patch is made for the code included in freevo-1.6.0. > > >> > > >> I hope you can include this in your code. > > >> > > >> Best regards > > >> Haavar > > >> > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > your > > > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > > > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > > ___ > > > Freevo-devel mailing list > > > Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel > > > > -- > > Paul Sijben mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Amersfoort http://www.sijben.net > > > > > - > > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share > your > > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > > > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > ___ > > Freevo-devel mailing list > > Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel > > > > > - > Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT > Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your > opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash > http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV > > ___ > Freevo-devel mailing list > Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel > > > - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
[Freevo-devel] Anybody know how SDLor oygames is using DirectFB?
Anybody know how SDL or pygame is using DirectFB for the key mappings. I assume that SDL takes keyboard events from DirectFB because if I add disable-module=keyboard to /etc/directfbrc then no keyboard events are received by Freevo. Using the df_input from DirectFB-examples the key codes shown match perfectly But under freevo the arrow keys are all screwed up. I'm just trying to figure out where the mapping is getting changed. Anybody else seen this? Thanks Duncan - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] 1.7.0 deps.
Jason Tackaberry wrote: > On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 17:43 +0100, Dirk Meyer wrote: meant to ask, what would you be using kaa.imlib2 for? >>> dischi asked me to use it. >> Replacement for PIL. > > Sounds perfectly sensible. Talk about forgetting to say the obvious, sorry about that. Duncan - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
[Freevo-devel] [ freevo-Feature Requests-1608724 ] Setup GUI for FreeVO
Feature Requests item #1608724, was opened at 2006-12-04 19:42 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=446898&aid=1608724&group_id=46652 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: None Group: None Status: Open Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Matthias Fenner (informix) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Setup GUI for FreeVO Initial Comment: What about my new configuration GUI ? Are you interested in sth. like this ? Me never published it cause i dont know where :D It only requires kommander (kmdr-executor) ... so If you need a better way to setup freevo - just write back :D I'll monitor this ticket! PS:The record-server and tv-in support is the only missing part, but If you want me to implement it - i will do so. But I then would need you to test it. -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=446898&aid=1608724&group_id=46652 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] [ freevo-Bugs-1608017 ] channel id with %20 aka " " cause error in webserver
Duncan Webb schrieb: > Florian Demmer wrote: >> Florian Demmer schrieb: >>> [...] > Comment By: Duncan Webb (duncanwebb) Date: 2006-12-04 11:57 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=104395 Originator: NO How are you grabbing the TV.xml, using tv_grab_de_today? and did you run tv_sort afterwards? If you are then there are no spaces in the channel id. http://www.tvtoday.de/"; source-data-url="http://programm.tvtoday.de/tv/programm/programm.php"; generator-info-name="XMLTV" generator-info-url="http://membled.com/work/apps/xmltv/";> KABEL 1 >>> src="http://www.tvtoday.de/tv/programm/bilder/senderlogos/kabel1.gif"; /> >>> [...] >>> >>> yes, i use the tvtoday grabber. >>> >>> localhost ~ # tv_grab_de_tvtoday --version >>> XMLTV module version 0.5.44 >>> This is tv_grab_de_tvtoday.in version 1.45, 2006/05/25 17:10:18 >>> >>> no, i did not use tv_sort before, but i tried that now... >>> >> here i wanted to post the version of sort: >> >> localhost ~ # tv_sort --version >> XMLTV module version 0.5.44 >> This is tv_sort version 1.32, 2006/03/02 19:16:00 >> >>> localhost tmp # tv_sort --by-channel --duplicate-error --output >>> TV_tvtoday_fixed.xml TV_tvtoday.xml >>> >>> >>> ... and still have the %20s in the data: >>> >>> > > I've never seen this form of channel id before. so, you get "kabel1.de" using the tvtoday grabber?! > >>> KABEL 1 >>> >> src="http://www.tvtoday.de/tv/programm/bilder/senderlogos/kabel1.gif"; /> >>> >>> >>> do i need to get a newer version? >> since a newer one was released yesterday i guess it should not be >> required :P >> also the tv_sort version in the new release is the same... sooo what am >> i doing wrong? can i manually set the channel ids somewhere? > > I updated mine on Saturday, as the Swiss channels were at last fixed, > taken several weeks for them to be fixed. I've been using nxtvepg > instead, which I find much much better, except that it doesn't have > quite all the channels. The data is better too. > > The only problem with nxtvepg is that it doesn't export the data > correctly on an AMD64 machine. i used to use nxtvepg with a pvr250, but was planning to switch to dvb-c using a cinergy1200 and cannot get vbi to work, so i was looking for another xmltv source. i fixed the problems with adding a recording through the webinterface with a simple str.replace(a,b), which is kinda ugly, but works. however the removing of scheduled programs seems to be a little more work or i just have to find the right spot in the code to fix the chan-id string. as it IS working in the gui i would say, it SHOULD work in the webiterface as well. maybe i ll find time to look into it next weekend... - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] 1.7.0 deps.
On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 17:43 +0100, Dirk Meyer wrote: > >> meant to ask, what would you be using kaa.imlib2 for? > > > > dischi asked me to use it. > > Replacement for PIL. Sounds perfectly sensible. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] 1.7.0 deps.
Duncan Webb wrote: > Jason Tackaberry wrote: >> On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 07:15 +0100, Duncan Webb wrote: >>> In the next RC it will also require kaa.imlib2 and kaa.notifier. Not yet >>> in SVN but may be today. >> >> notifier is part of kaa.base, so this isn't an extra dependency. BTW I >> meant to ask, what would you be using kaa.imlib2 for? > > dischi asked me to use it. Replacement for PIL. Dischi -- The world is full of willing people -- some willing to work and some willing to let them. - Robert Frost. pgpDklbmT4hbX.pgp Description: PGP signature - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] [ freevo-Bugs-1608017 ] channel id with %20 aka " " cause error in webserver
Florian Demmer wrote: > Florian Demmer schrieb: >> [...] Comment By: Duncan Webb (duncanwebb) >>> Date: 2006-12-04 11:57 >>> >>> Message: >>> Logged In: YES >>> user_id=104395 >>> Originator: NO >>> >>> How are you grabbing the TV.xml, using tv_grab_de_today? and did you run >>> tv_sort afterwards? >>> >>> If you are then there are no spaces in the channel id. >>> >>> http://www.tvtoday.de/"; >>> source-data-url="http://programm.tvtoday.de/tv/programm/programm.php"; >>> generator-info-name="XMLTV" >>> generator-info-url="http://membled.com/work/apps/xmltv/";> >>> >>> KABEL 1 >>> >> src="http://www.tvtoday.de/tv/programm/bilder/senderlogos/kabel1.gif"; /> >>> >>> >> [...] >> >> yes, i use the tvtoday grabber. >> >> localhost ~ # tv_grab_de_tvtoday --version >> XMLTV module version 0.5.44 >> This is tv_grab_de_tvtoday.in version 1.45, 2006/05/25 17:10:18 >> >> no, i did not use tv_sort before, but i tried that now... >> > > here i wanted to post the version of sort: > > localhost ~ # tv_sort --version > XMLTV module version 0.5.44 > This is tv_sort version 1.32, 2006/03/02 19:16:00 > >> localhost tmp # tv_sort --by-channel --duplicate-error --output >> TV_tvtoday_fixed.xml TV_tvtoday.xml >> >> >> ... and still have the %20s in the data: >> >> I've never seen this form of channel id before. >> KABEL 1 >> > src="http://www.tvtoday.de/tv/programm/bilder/senderlogos/kabel1.gif"; /> >> >> >> do i need to get a newer version? > > since a newer one was released yesterday i guess it should not be > required :P > also the tv_sort version in the new release is the same... sooo what am > i doing wrong? can i manually set the channel ids somewhere? I updated mine on Saturday, as the Swiss channels were at last fixed, taken several weeks for them to be fixed. I've been using nxtvepg instead, which I find much much better, except that it doesn't have quite all the channels. The data is better too. The only problem with nxtvepg is that it doesn't export the data correctly on an AMD64 machine. Duncan - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] 1.7.0 deps.
Jason Tackaberry wrote: > On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 07:15 +0100, Duncan Webb wrote: >> In the next RC it will also require kaa.imlib2 and kaa.notifier. Not yet >> in SVN but may be today. > > notifier is part of kaa.base, so this isn't an extra dependency. BTW I > meant to ask, what would you be using kaa.imlib2 for? dischi asked me to use it. Duncan - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] kaa.popcorn design questions
Jason Tackaberry wrote: > On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 17:42 +0100, Hans Meine wrote: >> audio and video streams in different containers. Thinking about it, I'd say >> let the backends deal with that diversity, have a proper default player >> (which hopefully supports all formats) and automatically fall back on >> another >> if that player fails for some reason (missing plugin/similar). > > I agree with this. I don't think there's any reliable way we can know > beforehand if a player can play a file without actually trying. > > I think rather than base the decision on codecs and/or extensions, we > should look instead at more higher level requirements and capabilities. > Maybe we can rank each capability. For example, something like: > > Capability Player Rank > -- > CAP_DVD_MENUSmplayer2 > CAP_DVD_MENUSgstreamer 7 > CAP_DVD_MENUSxine 10 > CAP_DEINTERLACE mplayer5 > CAP_DEINTERLACE gstreamer 3 > CAP_DEINTERLACE xine 9 Looking at the source code I see the following capabilities: CAP_VIDEO, CAP_AUDIO, CAP_OSD, CAP_CANVAS, CAP_DVD, CAP_DVD_MENUS, CAP_DYNAMIC_FILTERS, CAP_VARIABLE_SPEED, CAP_VISUALIZATION, CAP_DEINTERLACE First question: do we need all of them? IMHO CAP_VIDEO and CAP_AUDIO are obvious, we don't need them. We won't support a player that has no video output. Other caps or more boolean caps like CAP_VARIABLE_SPEED and CAP_DYNAMIC_FILTERS. I also think we need CAP_HD for H.264 content or width >= 1280. So I guess we should have: Boolean capabilities, hardcoded in the source code: CAP_OSD, CAP_CANVAS, CAP_DYNAMIC_FILTERS, CAP_VARIABLE_SPEED, CAP_VISUALIZATION Rating capabilities for the config file: CAP_DVD, CAP_DVD_MENUS, CAP_DEINTERLACE, CAP_HD We could also add a [player].prefer_for_extention variable, a list of extensions this player is the prefered one. Maybe also based on codecs [player].prefer_for_codec. Maybe that is CAP_PREFERED. So it is still possible that the prefered player is not used when user capabilities have a higher rating. Using that we could remove CAP_HD again. Example config file for mplayer mplayer.capabilities.dvd = 10 mplayer.capabilities.dvd_menu = 1 mplayer.capabilities.deinterlace = 5 mplayer.capabilities.hd = 9 mplayer.capabilities.prefered = 8 mplayer.prefered.extensions = mkv,ts,mov mplayer.prefered.codecs = H.264 Comments? Dischi -- I feel like a genocidal maniac when emacs asks me if I want to kill 10789 characters. pgphpzOX8nYi9.pgp Description: PGP signature - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] kaa.imlib2 and pygame
Jason Tackaberry wrote: > On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 11:28 +0100, Duncan Webb wrote: >> The encoding of image.get_raw_data(format='RGBA') seems to give a >> buffer, that pygame can't process. 'RGB' works fine but has no alpha >> channel so the icons look bad. pygame can't handle 'BGRA' images. > > get_raw_data() always returns a buffer object. As discussed on IRC > yesterday, if you need a string to pass to pygame, just pass the buffer > to str(). It won't be exceptionally fast but it will work. But I'm not > sure why RGB worked at all, unless you were already converting the > buffer to a string using str(). Sure I have used str(image.get_raw_data(format=image.mode)) I've figured it out, just now, the mode was being set to BGRA from the image data but it needed converting to RGBA. Thanks Duncan - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] [ freevo-Bugs-1608017 ] channel id with %20 aka " " cause error in webserver
Florian Demmer schrieb: > [...] >>> Comment By: Duncan Webb (duncanwebb) >> Date: 2006-12-04 11:57 >> >> Message: >> Logged In: YES >> user_id=104395 >> Originator: NO >> >> How are you grabbing the TV.xml, using tv_grab_de_today? and did you run >> tv_sort afterwards? >> >> If you are then there are no spaces in the channel id. >> >> http://www.tvtoday.de/"; >> source-data-url="http://programm.tvtoday.de/tv/programm/programm.php"; >> generator-info-name="XMLTV" >> generator-info-url="http://membled.com/work/apps/xmltv/";> >> >> KABEL 1 >> > src="http://www.tvtoday.de/tv/programm/bilder/senderlogos/kabel1.gif"; /> >> >> > [...] > > yes, i use the tvtoday grabber. > > localhost ~ # tv_grab_de_tvtoday --version > XMLTV module version 0.5.44 > This is tv_grab_de_tvtoday.in version 1.45, 2006/05/25 17:10:18 > > no, i did not use tv_sort before, but i tried that now... > here i wanted to post the version of sort: localhost ~ # tv_sort --version XMLTV module version 0.5.44 This is tv_sort version 1.32, 2006/03/02 19:16:00 > > localhost tmp # tv_sort --by-channel --duplicate-error --output > TV_tvtoday_fixed.xml TV_tvtoday.xml > > > ... and still have the %20s in the data: > > > KABEL 1 > src="http://www.tvtoday.de/tv/programm/bilder/senderlogos/kabel1.gif"; /> > > > do i need to get a newer version? since a newer one was released yesterday i guess it should not be required :P also the tv_sort version in the new release is the same... sooo what am i doing wrong? can i manually set the channel ids somewhere? - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] [ freevo-Bugs-1608017 ] channel id with %20 aka " " cause error in webserver
[...] >> Comment By: Duncan Webb (duncanwebb) > Date: 2006-12-04 11:57 > > Message: > Logged In: YES > user_id=104395 > Originator: NO > > How are you grabbing the TV.xml, using tv_grab_de_today? and did you run > tv_sort afterwards? > > If you are then there are no spaces in the channel id. > > http://www.tvtoday.de/"; > source-data-url="http://programm.tvtoday.de/tv/programm/programm.php"; > generator-info-name="XMLTV" > generator-info-url="http://membled.com/work/apps/xmltv/";> > > KABEL 1 > src="http://www.tvtoday.de/tv/programm/bilder/senderlogos/kabel1.gif"; /> > > [...] yes, i use the tvtoday grabber. localhost ~ # tv_grab_de_tvtoday --version XMLTV module version 0.5.44 This is tv_grab_de_tvtoday.in version 1.45, 2006/05/25 17:10:18 no, i did not use tv_sort before, but i tried that now... localhost ~ # tv_grab_de_tvtoday --version XMLTV module version 0.5.44 This is tv_grab_de_tvtoday.in version 1.45, 2006/05/25 17:10:18 localhost tmp # tv_sort --by-channel --duplicate-error --output TV_tvtoday_fixed.xml TV_tvtoday.xml ... and still have the %20s in the data: KABEL 1 http://www.tvtoday.de/tv/programm/bilder/senderlogos/kabel1.gif"; /> do i need to get a newer version? - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] 1.7.0 deps.
On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 07:15 +0100, Duncan Webb wrote: > In the next RC it will also require kaa.imlib2 and kaa.notifier. Not yet > in SVN but may be today. notifier is part of kaa.base, so this isn't an extra dependency. BTW I meant to ask, what would you be using kaa.imlib2 for? Jason. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] kaa.imlib2 and pygame
On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 11:28 +0100, Duncan Webb wrote: > The encoding of image.get_raw_data(format='RGBA') seems to give a > buffer, that pygame can't process. 'RGB' works fine but has no alpha > channel so the icons look bad. pygame can't handle 'BGRA' images. get_raw_data() always returns a buffer object. As discussed on IRC yesterday, if you need a string to pass to pygame, just pass the buffer to str(). It won't be exceptionally fast but it will work. But I'm not sure why RGB worked at all, unless you were already converting the buffer to a string using str(). Cheers, Jason. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
[Freevo-devel] [ freevo-Bugs-1608393 ] show date info without support LOCALE
Bugs item #1608393, was opened at 2006-12-04 12:00 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by duncanwebb You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=446895&aid=1608393&group_id=46652 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: tv Group: 1.6.1 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Valera Koval (vkoval) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: show date info without support LOCALE Initial Comment: 1. config.LOCALE = 'koi8-u' 2. In tvlisting_area.py date draw from dateformat without convert to unicode. 3. See patch in attach. Thanks. -- >Comment By: Duncan Webb (duncanwebb) Date: 2006-12-04 13:23 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=104395 Originator: NO Yill you try this, as it's valid to have a config.LOCALE='utf8' self.drawstring(Unicode(time.strftime(timeformat, time.localtime(to_listing[0][i+1]))), Thanks -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=446895&aid=1608393&group_id=46652 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
[Freevo-devel] [ freevo-Bugs-1608308 ] games plugin crashes
Bugs item #1608308, was opened at 2006-12-04 09:00 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by duncanwebb You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=446895&aid=1608308&group_id=46652 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: plugins Group: 1.7.0 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: ehisey (ehisey) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: games plugin crashes Initial Comment: As of 1.6.0 all the my Roms were working with the games plugin. After updating to 1.7.0 I get a crash dialog and the option to shutdown or continue. >From log file: SNES rom header detected at offset : 33216 item.py (243): unable to store "romLic":"3" info for '3 Ninjas Kick Back (U)' SNES rom name : 1 - 3 Ninjas Kick Back (U).zip -> 3 NINJAS KICK BACK SNES rom header detected at offset : 65984 SNES rom name : 1 - 7th Saga The (U).zip -> THE 7TH SAGA SNES rom header detected at offset : 33216 item.py (243): unable to store "romLic":"3" info for 'AAAHH!!! Real Monsters (U)' SNES rom name : 1 - AAAHH!!! Real Monsters (U).zip -> REAL MONSTERS SNES rom header detected at offset : 33216 SNES rom name : 1 - ABC Monday Night Football (U).zip -> MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL SNES rom header detected at offset : 33216 SNES rom name : 1 - Act Raiser (U).zip -> ACTRAISER-USA SNES rom header detected at offset : 65472 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/main.py", line 301, in eventhandler app.eventhandler(event) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/menu.py", line 621, in eventhandler action( arg=arg, menuw=self ) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/directory.py", line 443, in cwd self.check_password_and_build(arg=None, menuw=menuw) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/directory.py", line 498, in check_password_and_build self.build(arg=arg, menuw=menuw) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/directory.py", line 604, in build for i in p.get(self, files): File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/games/__init__.py", line 93, in get items += [ SnesItem(file, cmd, args, imgpath, parent) ] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/games/snesitem.py", line 231, in __init__ (self['romName'],self['romHL'],self['romMem'],self['romROM'],self['romSRAM'],self['romCountry'],self['romLic'],self['romVer'],self['romICHK'],self['rom CHK']) = self._read_rom(snesFile) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/item.py", line 243, in __setitem__ _debug_(u'unable to store \"%s\":\"%s\" info for \'%s\'' % (key, value, self.name), 0) UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xff in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) -- >Comment By: Duncan Webb (duncanwebb) Date: 2006-12-04 12:03 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=104395 Originator: NO There are two problems here: First, is it cannot item.py (243): unable to store "romLic":"3" info for 'AAAHH!!! Real Monsters (U)' Second, is it has a non acsii character in the name of the rom. What I don't understand is why it doesn't store the item. -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=446895&aid=1608308&group_id=46652 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
[Freevo-devel] [ freevo-Bugs-1608393 ] show date info without support LOCALE
Bugs item #1608393, was opened at 2006-12-04 13:00 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=446895&aid=1608393&group_id=46652 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: tv Group: 1.6.1 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Valera Koval (vkoval) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: show date info without support LOCALE Initial Comment: 1. config.LOCALE = 'koi8-u' 2. In tvlisting_area.py date draw from dateformat without convert to unicode. 3. See patch in attach. Thanks. -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=446895&aid=1608393&group_id=46652 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
[Freevo-devel] [ freevo-Bugs-1608017 ] channel id with %20 aka " " cause error in webserver
Bugs item #1608017, was opened at 2006-12-03 20:24 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by duncanwebb You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=446895&aid=1608017&group_id=46652 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: program guide Group: 1.x svn Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: f demmer (fdemmer) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: channel id with %20 aka " " cause error in webserver Initial Comment: using svn rel-1, Rev 8687 (pretty recently) this is whats happening after clicking a show in the webinterface (what normally openes the detaisl box with the record button) 2006/12/03 20:15 CET [HTTPChannel,0,127.0.0.1] Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/protocols/basic.py", line 221, in dataReceived why = self.lineReceived(line) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/web/http.py", line 961, in lineReceived self.allContentReceived() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/web/http.py", line 1002, in allContentReceived req.requestReceived(command, path, version) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/web/http.py", line 557, in requestReceived self.process() --- --- File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/web/server.py", line 153, in process self.render(resrc) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/web/server.py", line 160, in render body = resrc.render(self) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/www/web_types.py", line 73, in render return self._render(request) File "/usr/share/freevo/htdocs/proginfo.rpy", line 52, in _render chan = guide.chan_dict[chanid] exceptions.KeyError: 'kabel 1.tvtoday.de' when searching for a show on a channel with a %20 in its id and then clicking the record link in the searchresult, there is no exception but this errormessage in the webitnerface: * ERROR: No program found on kabel 1.tvtoday.de at 12/05/06 20:15:00. (RecordServer::findProg: prog not found) by channel id, i mean the channel identifier used in my xmltv data. it is not up to me what that is, so i would say freevo should be able to handle that. -- >Comment By: Duncan Webb (duncanwebb) Date: 2006-12-04 11:57 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=104395 Originator: NO How are you grabbing the TV.xml, using tv_grab_de_today? and did you run tv_sort afterwards? If you are then there are no spaces in the channel id. http://www.tvtoday.de/"; source-data-url="http://programm.tvtoday.de/tv/programm/programm.php"; generator-info-name="XMLTV" generator-info-url="http://membled.com/work/apps/xmltv/";> KABEL 1 http://www.tvtoday.de/tv/programm/bilder/senderlogos/kabel1.gif"; /> -- Comment By: f demmer (fdemmer) Date: 2006-12-03 23:15 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=866896 Originator: YES this seems to also cause problems with removing items from the scheduled recordings list: web.Server Traceback (most recent call last): exceptions.UnboundLocalError: local variable 'prog' referenced before assignment /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/web/server.py, line 153 in process 151try: 152 resrc = self.site.getResourceFor(self) 153 self.render(resrc) 154except: Self site twisted.web.server.Site instance @ -0x48c79bf4 Locals resrc __builtin__.RecordResource instance @ -0x491b09b4 <__builtin__.RecordResource instance at 0xb6e4f64c> self twisted.web.server.Request instance @ -0x48b72134 /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/twisted/web/server.py, line 160 in render 158 def render(self, resrc): 159try: 160 body = resrc.render(self) 161except UnsupportedMethod, e: Locals resrc __builtin__.RecordResource instance @ -0x491b09b4 <__builtin__.RecordResource instance at 0xb6e4f64c> self twisted.web.server.Request instance @ -0x48b72134 Globals UnsupportedMethod /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/www/web_types.py, line 73 in render 71 return '401 Authentication required' 72else: 73 return self._render(request) 74 Locals self __builtin__.RecordResource instance @ -0x491b09b4 <__builtin__.RecordResource instance at 0xb6e4f64c> request twisted.web.server.Request instance @ -0x48b72134 /usr/share/freevo/htdocs/record.rpy, line 73 in _render 71 prog = what 72 73 print 'want to remove prog: %s' % String(prog) 74 ri.removeScheduledRecording(prog) Locals what tv.epg_types.TvProgram instance @ -0x4919c2d4 Globals ri exceptions.UnboundLocalError: local vari
[Freevo-devel] kaa.imlib2 and pygame
Hi The encoding of image.get_raw_data(format='RGBA') seems to give a buffer, that pygame can't process. 'RGB' works fine but has no alpha channel so the icons look bad. pygame can't handle 'BGRA' images. Any ideas for how to correctly convert the buffer to keep pygame happy? TIA Duncan - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
[Freevo-devel] [ freevo-Bugs-1608308 ] games plugin crashes
Bugs item #1608308, was opened at 2006-12-04 08:00 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=446895&aid=1608308&group_id=46652 Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: plugins Group: 1.7.0 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: ehisey (ehisey) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: games plugin crashes Initial Comment: As of 1.6.0 all the my Roms were working with the games plugin. After updating to 1.7.0 I get a crash dialog and the option to shutdown or continue. >From log file: SNES rom header detected at offset : 33216 item.py (243): unable to store "romLic":"3" info for '3 Ninjas Kick Back (U)' SNES rom name : 1 - 3 Ninjas Kick Back (U).zip -> 3 NINJAS KICK BACK SNES rom header detected at offset : 65984 SNES rom name : 1 - 7th Saga The (U).zip -> THE 7TH SAGA SNES rom header detected at offset : 33216 item.py (243): unable to store "romLic":"3" info for 'AAAHH!!! Real Monsters (U)' SNES rom name : 1 - AAAHH!!! Real Monsters (U).zip -> REAL MONSTERS SNES rom header detected at offset : 33216 SNES rom name : 1 - ABC Monday Night Football (U).zip -> MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL SNES rom header detected at offset : 33216 SNES rom name : 1 - Act Raiser (U).zip -> ACTRAISER-USA SNES rom header detected at offset : 65472 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/main.py", line 301, in eventhandler app.eventhandler(event) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/menu.py", line 621, in eventhandler action( arg=arg, menuw=self ) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/directory.py", line 443, in cwd self.check_password_and_build(arg=None, menuw=menuw) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/directory.py", line 498, in check_password_and_build self.build(arg=arg, menuw=menuw) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/directory.py", line 604, in build for i in p.get(self, files): File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/games/__init__.py", line 93, in get items += [ SnesItem(file, cmd, args, imgpath, parent) ] File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/games/snesitem.py", line 231, in __init__ (self['romName'],self['romHL'],self['romMem'],self['romROM'],self['romSRAM'],self['romCountry'],self['romLic'],self['romVer'],self['romICHK'],self['rom CHK']) = self._read_rom(snesFile) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/freevo/item.py", line 243, in __setitem__ _debug_(u'unable to store \"%s\":\"%s\" info for \'%s\'' % (key, value, self.name), 0) UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xff in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) -- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=446895&aid=1608308&group_id=46652 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT & business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.php&p=sourceforge&CID=DEVDEV ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
