Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: Support for Hardware Media Center Extenders.
>> > For those that don't know Media Center Extenders are network devices >> > that plug into your TV and extend Windows Media Center Edition over a >> > network. The idea is that you have your Media Center PC in one room >> > and you have an extender in all the other rooms in your house that >> > have a TV. >> >> I thought this is what uPnP is for. OK, uPnP sucks, but last time I >> checked Microsoft was supporting it. >> > But is would be great to know that my Xbox 360 or SPS 3 were able to > stream the media off of a freevo box. I'm sure both support uPnP > I don't think this should be shouldered by freevo, as these devices > should come with media players and are build from the 2 most > successful GUI designers int he world right? ??? 2 most successful GUI designers int he world ??? In terms of revenue ;-) And this has nothing to do with GUI. There are some simple uPnP calls and Freevo can announce the content of the hd to other devices. But if you only want that and use the GUI of the external box, a simple uPnP server for Linux is what you want. The problem with uPnP is not in Freevo yet is that it is bloatware: http over udp (*shiver*), xml, soap and other stuff to make it very complicated. OK Cool. THis is all I want if I and when PS3 comes out. > Does anyone know if there are ways to do this though? Plsy my avi's > or dvb streams on these next gen devices? If you only want to play files, check freshmeat for upnp server. But why do you want a XBOX in you living room? They aren't very silent. Well, it's a HT room actually. Going to have a big kick-ass projector so I won't be sitting to close to whichever console it is. But my PC which I have right now is not very silent. So I'd rather have and always on noisy freevo box recording TV and serving music in the garage say and then have a frontend interface which is silent or can be turned off. Haven't really looked in depth at the options, but if I'm going to own an xbox or ps3, then one want i have is to be able to watch and listen to my media though it without having to buy DRM'd content. If I record TV, I want to watch it. If I rip my CD's to mp3 or whatever, I want to listen to it. My inital plan was to wire my noisy freevo box's video out from the garage to my HT. But I'm not sure that this is a goer. I'd then have: a freevo box for wathing and recording and linstening. a HD or blue ray DVD player an XBox or PS3. My amp only has 2 component inputs ;-). Oh and no HDMI. Damb this A/v stuff is a PITA ;-). Mick > Are there any good web pages showing the archtecture plans or anything > along those lines? http://www.upnp.org/ Dischi -- It's not Area 51 I'm worried about- it's Areas 1 through 50. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid0709&bid&3057&dat1642 ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: Support for Hardware Media Center Extenders.
Dirk Meyer wrote: >>You are the first one telling me that they don't use upnp. In the case of the XBOX it can use Upnp to stream audio and images but not video. It has had that feature intentionaly removed to encorage people to buy a Windows Media Center Edition PC. The other devices that just support MCX are usually sold to compliment a Media PC. i.e HP's media extender is marketed as an accessory for HP's Windows media center PC. Yes, Freevo is more like the XBOX, a client. In one sence the xbox can act as a client when you use the xbox gui to browse UPNP media servers. In this case it can stream audio and view pictures. As can other UPNP media renderers on the market what im talking about is a bit different. You don't want to render the video on the server and stream the decoded video over to the client, it makes no sense at all. You need to transfer the encoded stream and let the box decode it. And well, that is what upnp does (and some other stuff). Thats correct and its what mcx does aswell except that the menu is sent using some form or remote desktop. A media extender doesnt have a GUI for browsing UPNP servers although some devices may also support this feature. A media extender will present the windows media edition GUI using remote desktop and when media is selected it will play it over a seperate channel possible UPNP. The box still decodes the A/V just not the interface. Cheers Jared. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
[Freevo-devel] Re: Support for Hardware Media Center Extenders.
Jared Kells wrote: > Unfortunatly the XBOX only suports streaming video using MCX. A lot of > the hardware extenders I have seen also only support MCX. You are the first one telling me that they don't use upnp. > Sorry for the confusion it is not a feature request for freevo that > would be pretty stupid. Yes, Freevo is more like the XBOX, a client. > I imagine an implementation would be more like a vnc server. And if > you wanted to use freevo over it then you could run freevo inside a > session. You don't want to render the video on the server and stream the decoded video over to the client, it makes no sense at all. You need to transfer the encoded stream and let the box decode it. And well, that is what upnp does (and some other stuff). > I asked on this list because if there was any existing work being done > on it then someone here would probably know. Not me. Dischi -- Beer: Helping ugly people have sex since 1862! pgpMbPLZTrpPW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: Support for Hardware Media Center Extenders.
Hi Dirk, Unfortunatly the XBOX only suports streaming video using MCX. A lot of the hardware extenders I have seen also only support MCX. Sorry for the confusion it is not a feature request for freevo that would be pretty stupid. I imagine an implementation would be more like a vnc server. And if you wanted to use freevo over it then you could run freevo inside a session. I asked on this list because if there was any existing work being done on it then someone here would probably know. Cheers Jared. Dirk Meyer wrote: Jared Kells wrote: I am writing to see if anyone knows of any work done on an open source implementation of Microsoft's MCX protocol. Not that I know of. For those that don't know Media Center Extenders are network devices that plug into your TV and extend Windows Media Center Edition over a network. The idea is that you have your Media Center PC in one room and you have an extender in all the other rooms in your house that have a TV. I thought this is what uPnP is for. OK, uPnP sucks, but last time I checked Microsoft was supporting it. I think Microsofts products will push media PC's into the mainstream and it would be great if we could support all the 3rd party hardware extenders that will hit the market under Linux. The XBOX 360 can act as a media center extender. And personally I would like to move my Freevo pc out of the lounge room and just have the XBOX extend it. You can use uPnP to do that. Apparantly the MCX protocol is a cutdown version of Remote desktop protocol with a seperate UDP connection to stream the A/V. Remote Desktop Server For *Nix http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/ Remote desktop? OK, that part will never be part of Freevo. This is total overkill. I also to support uPnP in Freevo 2.0 but I won't spend any time in supporting MCX. Dischi --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
[Freevo-devel] Re: Support for Hardware Media Center Extenders.
"mike lewis" wrote: > On 4/30/06, Dirk Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Jared Kells wrote: >> > I am writing to see if anyone knows of any work done on an open source >> > implementation of Microsoft's MCX protocol. >> >> Not that I know of. >> >> > For those that don't know Media Center Extenders are network devices >> > that plug into your TV and extend Windows Media Center Edition over a >> > network. The idea is that you have your Media Center PC in one room >> > and you have an extender in all the other rooms in your house that >> > have a TV. >> >> I thought this is what uPnP is for. OK, uPnP sucks, but last time I >> checked Microsoft was supporting it. >> > But is would be great to know that my Xbox 360 or SPS 3 were able to > stream the media off of a freevo box. I'm sure both support uPnP > I don't think this should be shouldered by freevo, as these devices > should come with media players and are build from the 2 most > successful GUI designers int he world right? ??? 2 most successful GUI designers int he world ??? And this has nothing to do with GUI. There are some simple uPnP calls and Freevo can announce the content of the hd to other devices. But if you only want that and use the GUI of the external box, a simple uPnP server for Linux is what you want. The problem with uPnP is not in Freevo yet is that it is bloatware: http over udp (*shiver*), xml, soap and other stuff to make it very complicated. > Does anyone know if there are ways to do this though? Plsy my avi's > or dvb streams on these next gen devices? If you only want to play files, check freshmeat for upnp server. But why do you want a XBOX in you living room? They aren't very silent. > Are there any good web pages showing the archtecture plans or anything > along those lines? http://www.upnp.org/ Dischi -- It's not Area 51 I'm worried about- it's Areas 1 through 50. pgpXQiHupLAGU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: Support for Hardware Media Center Extenders.
On 4/30/06, Dirk Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jared Kells wrote: > I am writing to see if anyone knows of any work done on an open source > implementation of Microsoft's MCX protocol. Not that I know of. > For those that don't know Media Center Extenders are network devices > that plug into your TV and extend Windows Media Center Edition over a > network. The idea is that you have your Media Center PC in one room > and you have an extender in all the other rooms in your house that > have a TV. I thought this is what uPnP is for. OK, uPnP sucks, but last time I checked Microsoft was supporting it. But is would be great to know that my Xbox 360 or SPS 3 were able to stream the media off of a freevo box. I don't think this should be shouldered by freevo, as these devices should come with media players and are build from the 2 most successful GUI designers int he world right? Does anyone know if there are ways to do this though? Plsy my avi's or dvb streams on these next gen devices? Are there any good web pages showing the archtecture plans or anything along those lines? Mick --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid0709&bid&3057&dat1642 ___ Freevo-devel mailing list Freevo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-devel
[Freevo-devel] Re: Support for Hardware Media Center Extenders.
Jared Kells wrote: > I am writing to see if anyone knows of any work done on an open source > implementation of Microsoft's MCX protocol. Not that I know of. > For those that don't know Media Center Extenders are network devices > that plug into your TV and extend Windows Media Center Edition over a > network. The idea is that you have your Media Center PC in one room > and you have an extender in all the other rooms in your house that > have a TV. I thought this is what uPnP is for. OK, uPnP sucks, but last time I checked Microsoft was supporting it. > I think Microsofts products will push media PC's into the mainstream > and it would be great if we could support all the 3rd party hardware > extenders that will hit the market under Linux. > > The XBOX 360 can act as a media center extender. And personally I > would like to move my Freevo pc out of the lounge room and just have > the XBOX extend it. You can use uPnP to do that. > Apparantly the MCX protocol is a cutdown version of Remote desktop > protocol with a seperate UDP connection to stream the A/V. > Remote Desktop Server For *Nix > http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/ Remote desktop? OK, that part will never be part of Freevo. This is total overkill. I also to support uPnP in Freevo 2.0 but I won't spend any time in supporting MCX. Dischi -- It might look like I'm doing nothing, but at the cellular level I'm really quite busy. pgp3hIgbdDOxP.pgp Description: PGP signature
