Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: New Idea

2004-08-26 Thread Hans Meine
On Thursday 26 August 2004 08:26, Matthieu Weber wrote:
> are changing time every week). Actually, it might be useful to have a
> list of overlaping shows (browsing the whole guide is not really
> necessary for that purpose, there could be a function that looks for
> overlaping and present them to the user with options on what to do
> (remove one of the scheduled recordings, assign another device to one of
> the recordings...)

However, this seems to be less of a TV guide thing, but should be integrated 
into the "TV Recordings" section.

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Re: Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: New Idea

2004-08-25 Thread Matthieu Weber
On Wed 25.08.2004 at 04:12:23PM +0300, Matthieu Weber wrote:
> After downloading the TV program from the net with xmltv, I usually go
> through the wole guide to see what's interesting in the coming week
> (especially in the evenings when movies are scheduled).

I forgot to add: I also use the TV guide as it is now to show me if
there are overlaping scheduled recordings (coming from favorites that
are changing time every week). Actually, it might be useful to have a
list of overlaping shows (browsing the whole guide is not really
necessary for that purpose, there could be a function that looks for
overlaping and present them to the user with options on what to do
(remove one of the scheduled recordings, assign another device to one of
the recordings...)

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Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: New Idea

2004-08-25 Thread Richard van Paasen
Dirk, I agree to this, tailoring the user interface for specific tasks 
is always a good idea.

For the "expert" user, we could always have the old-style tv-guide (all 
info on one screen) hanging around as a plugin or so.

Richard.
Dirk Meyer wrote:
Richard van Paasen wrote:
 

Another idea for the textual version of the tv guide is to restrict
the information on one page to either one channel or one
time-box. Browsing through the tv guide "pages" (either channels or
time boxes) then can be done with the left/right keys on the
remote. Walking through rows on a page with up/down.
E.g. (channel mode):
Channel 1
08.00   program 1
08.10   program 2
09.00   program 3
10.30   program 4
18.00   program 5
...
E.g. (time-box mode):
Programs running at 08.05:
Channel 1   Program w
Channel 2   Program x
Channel 3   Program y
Channel 4   Program z
...
The tv-guide should be able to toggle between "time-box" and
"channels" mode. This way more space (i.e. the total width of the
screen) is available for a tv guide entry. Time-box mode could step by
5 minutes or so when pressing the left/right (pageing) key.
Hope this description is clear enough, mail me otherwise!
   

I just had a similar idea. Why not two types of tv guides. We use the
tv guide for two reasons: watching tv now and recording. Both have
different needs:
Watching now: I want to know what's up at this time on all
channels. This is the time boxed mode from above. It is similar to the
current guide but you can't select a program, you select a channel. If
you select a program in 3 minutes, you still get the channel and the
program starts in 3 minutes. So selecting channels is the logic here. 

Record: I know the channel, so a simple listing area is want we want
here. Everyone who tried to record a program the day after tomorrow
knows that the current guide can't handle this well. 

Now we only need a way to switch between the two ways. 

Comments requested before I do this.
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Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: New Idea

2004-08-25 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 --- Dirk Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: 
> I just had a similar idea. Why not two types of tv guides. We use the
> tv guide for two reasons: watching tv now and recording. Both have
> different needs:
> 
> Watching now: I want to know what's up at this time on all
> channels. This is the time boxed mode from above. It is similar to
> the
> current guide but you can't select a program, you select a channel.
> If
> you select a program in 3 minutes, you still get the channel and the
> program starts in 3 minutes. So selecting channels is the logic here.
> 
> 
> Record: I know the channel, so a simple listing area is want we want
> here. Everyone who tried to record a program the day after tomorrow
> knows that the current guide can't handle this well. 
> 
> Now we only need a way to switch between the two ways. 
> 
> Comments requested before I do this.

I agree with this idea. Maybe another 3rd screen to view as much info
as you can, maybe using a different concept... maybe not using the
program size as we do now, maybe with selectable sorting or grouping.
   For example, we could show programs as blocks and do some kind of
grouping, maybe by size, times it was watched/recorded, ... 
   Well... the 2 afore mentioned are enough for now ;)

As for switch, we could use the same as other (DISPLAY), or even the
GUIDE button.

Gustavo








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Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: New Idea

2004-08-25 Thread mikeruelle
No it was actually a freevo based rip off of what the tivo did. It was a working 
plugin for a while but got broken with some of the changes for 1.5. I was just 
wondering if the original author had fixed it for 1.5 or was interested in doing it. 
Will see if i have an old screengrab rshortt sent me on IRC about it.

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> On Tuesday 24 August 2004 23:53, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> > > BTW, I don't like the current tv guide. Too much information in many
> > > small boxes. If anyone has a new idea, please post. I can create that
> > > guide, but I need ideas from you.
> >
> > How about that Tivo-like guide someone implemented in the past?
> 
> Could you describe that for those of us who never saw a Tivo before?
> (Or give some WWW-pointers?)
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Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: New Idea

2004-08-25 Thread Matthieu Weber
On Wed 25.08.2004 at 02:28:31PM +0200, Dirk Meyer wrote:
> I just had a similar idea. Why not two types of tv guides. We use the
> tv guide for two reasons: watching tv now and recording. Both have
> different needs:
> 
> Watching now: I want to know what's up at this time on all
> channels. This is the time boxed mode from above. It is similar to the
> current guide but you can't select a program, you select a channel. If
> you select a program in 3 minutes, you still get the channel and the
> program starts in 3 minutes. So selecting channels is the logic here. 
> 
> Record: I know the channel, so a simple listing area is want we want
> here. Everyone who tried to record a program the day after tomorrow
> knows that the current guide can't handle this well. 
> 
> Now we only need a way to switch between the two ways. 
> 
> Comments requested before I do this.

After downloading the TV program from the net with xmltv, I usually go
through the wole guide to see what's interesting in the coming week
(especially in the evenings when movies are scheduled).

I have no idea what the proper interface could be, but having as much
information as possible at once is what I am used to now.

Just my 2 cents.

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Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: New Idea

2004-08-25 Thread Rob Shortt
Mick wrote:
Hey (slightly OT).  With DVB cards (attn rob..) can you grab analogue too?
I was reading some PC mag and it mentioned this was a feature on some
cards.. I didn't realise this.. Could this be utilised somehow?
Some DVB cards capture analogue too, I'm not sure which though, maybe 
the dvb-c or dvb-t with the brooktree chipset.

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RE: [Freevo-devel] Re: New Idea

2004-08-25 Thread Mick
> I plan on copying Media Center for MeBox.  I think its guide layout is
> nice:
>
>http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/xpmce_review_94.gif
>
I like this, more room for description and also grabing frames (or live
video) from the card!  Way cool..

Hey (slightly OT).  With DVB cards (attn rob..) can you grab analogue too?
I was reading some PC mag and it mentioned this was a feature on some
cards.. I didn't realise this.. Could this be utilised somehow?

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Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: New Idea

2004-08-25 Thread Hans Meine
On Tuesday 24 August 2004 23:53, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
> > BTW, I don't like the current tv guide. Too much information in many
> > small boxes. If anyone has a new idea, please post. I can create that
> > guide, but I need ideas from you.
>
> How about that Tivo-like guide someone implemented in the past?

Could you describe that for those of us who never saw a Tivo before?
(Or give some WWW-pointers?)

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Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: New Idea

2004-08-24 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 --- Dirk Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: 
> Richard van Paasen wrote:
> > I "only" have a 1 sec delay when switching chanels (20 in total) .
> One
> > could cache the channels and update them while the matrix is being
> > shown (old pictures in greyscale, updated in full color) but hey,
> that
> > are implementation details.
> >
> > The guide can of course be designed in many different ways, I'm
> just
> > suggesting a different way to display a view on the tv guide.
> 
> BTW, I don't like the current tv guide. Too much information in many
> small boxes. If anyone has a new idea, please post. I can create that
> guide, but I need ideas from you.

How about that Tivo-like guide someone implemented in the past?

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Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: New Idea

2004-08-24 Thread mikeruelle
speaking of which what ever happened to that tivoguide variant. I think we should 
include it with a different name for all the obvious reasons, but i actually liked it 
quite a bit.

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> Richard van Paasen wrote:
> > I "only" have a 1 sec delay when switching chanels (20 in total) . One
> > could cache the channels and update them while the matrix is being
> > shown (old pictures in greyscale, updated in full color) but hey, that
> > are implementation details.
> >
> > The guide can of course be designed in many different ways, I'm just
> > suggesting a different way to display a view on the tv guide.
> 
> BTW, I don't like the current tv guide. Too much information in many
> small boxes. If anyone has a new idea, please post. I can create that
> guide, but I need ideas from you.
> 
> 
> Dischi
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Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: New Idea

2004-08-24 Thread Richard van Paasen
Another idea for the textual version of the tv guide is to restrict the 
information on one page to either one channel or one time-box. Browsing 
through the tv guide "pages" (either channels or time boxes) then can be 
done with the left/right keys on the remote. Walking through rows on a 
page with up/down.

E.g. (channel mode):
Channel 1
08.00   program 1
08.10   program 2
09.00   program 3
10.30   program 4
18.00   program 5
...
E.g. (time-box mode):
Programs running at 08.05:
Channel 1   Program w
Channel 2   Program x
Channel 3   Program y
Channel 4   Program z
...
The tv-guide should be able to toggle between "time-box" and "channels" 
mode. This way more space (i.e. the total width of the screen) is 
available for a tv guide entry. Time-box mode could step by 5 minutes or 
so when pressing the left/right (pageing) key.

Hope this description is clear enough, mail me otherwise!
Richard.
Dirk Meyer wrote:
Richard van Paasen wrote:
 

I "only" have a 1 sec delay when switching chanels (20 in total) . One
could cache the channels and update them while the matrix is being
shown (old pictures in greyscale, updated in full color) but hey, that
are implementation details.
The guide can of course be designed in many different ways, I'm just
suggesting a different way to display a view on the tv guide.
   

BTW, I don't like the current tv guide. Too much information in many
small boxes. If anyone has a new idea, please post. I can create that
guide, but I need ideas from you.
Dischi
 


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Re: [Freevo-devel] Re: New Idea

2004-08-24 Thread Jason Tackaberry
On Tue, 2004-08-24 at 19:49 +0200, Dirk Meyer wrote:
> BTW, I don't like the current tv guide. Too much information in many
> small boxes.

I don't like it either.

>  If anyone has a new idea, please post. I can create that
> guide, but I need ideas from you.

I plan on copying Media Center for MeBox.  I think its guide layout is
nice:

   http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/xpmce_review_94.gif

Cheers,
Jason.


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