Re: [Freevo-users] Re: SDL, g400, and dfbmga

[Aubin Paul]

On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 02:57:34AM +0200, Markus Schneider wrote:
> I do not use the fusion patch at the moment - I got the impression that 
> it made things sort of unstable.

I heard the opposite; that it was more unstable without it. I guess I
should give it a try and see.

> And yes, the menus do flicker a bit. Using dfbmga, I didn't find any 
> possibility to control the flicker fixer yet... anybody?

Whatever it is, it's likely something to do with how SDL interacts
with dfbmga... did you try setting the depth option in
/etc/directfbrc? I don't know if it should matter...

Last thing is whether the flicker is whenever you press a button or
whenever the idlebar updates or just when you switch to playing a
movie or music...

Aubin


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Re: [Freevo-users] Re: SDL, g400, and dfbmga

[Markus Schneider]

Hello Aubin,

Aubin Paul schrieb:

I'll add this to the documentation; the only questions I have are 
whether you used the fusion device and whether you got the flicker
inside Freevo's menus one of the other people mentioned.
 

I do not use the fusion patch at the moment - I got the impression that 
it made things sort of unstable.
And yes, the menus do flicker a bit. Using dfbmga, I didn't find any 
possibility to control the flicker fixer yet... anybody?

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Re: [Freevo-users] Re: SDL, g400, and dfbmga

[Aubin Paul]

I'll add this to the documentation; the only questions I have are 
whether you used the fusion device and whether you got the flicker
inside Freevo's menus one of the other people mentioned.

Aubin

On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 10:11:52PM +0200, Markus Schneider wrote:
> Hello there,
> 
> I can confirm that the SDL-Patch is no longer needed if you are using 
> DirectFB-0.9.19 (and you want to use TV-Out, of course).
> 
> Some more hints to get it working:
> 
> - compile DirectFB-0.9.19 (./configure;make;make install)
> - compile SDL-1.2 (CVS tarball) (./configure;make;make install)
> - unpack freevo-1.3.2.tgz 
>   
> (and replace runtime/dll/libSDL-1.2.so.0 with a link to your newly 
> compiled version that includes dfbmga-support, in my case 
> /usr/local/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0)
> 
> my /etc/directfbrc:
> 
> matrox-crtc2
> matrox-tv-standard=pal
> primary-layer=2
> 
> my freevo.conf:
> 
> chanlist = us-cable
> display = dfbmga
> geometry = 720x576
> jpegtran = ./runtime/apps/jpegtran
> mplayer = ./runtime/apps/mplayer/mplayer
> tv = pal
> tvtime = ./runtime/apps/tvtime/tvtime
> version = 2.0
> 
> Hope this helps some of you guys! I struggled myself to get it working 
> for quite some time...
> 
> Markus
> 
> 
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RE: [Freevo-users] Re: SDL, g400, and dfbmga

[Robert Wohleb]

This isn't a driver issue per se. Video cards aren't built for this. If the card 
actually had hardware to drive each display individually, then it would be easier. A 
lot of the current cards have limited hardware acceleration on the second display. On 
top of this, most drivers expect to have full control over the card, rather than 
sharing it.

~Rob

-Original Message-
From: Nick Hatch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] Re: SDL, g400, and dfbmga


I found a message from one of the great directfb/g400 hackers during my 
research (I think it was Ville Syrjälä) that said that this running two 
different displays in this manner wasn't supported by the current method that 
the dfbmga driver uses. I could be wrong though.

Has anyone done this?

-Nick 

On Friday 25 July 2003 01:33 pm, Jesper Skov wrote:
> Hi
>
> Is the TV-out the only active display used on your card? I'd like to use
> X on the primary head, while running freevo on the secondary head
> (TV-out).
>
> When I tried booting a kernel with the applied DirectFB patches the
> other day, it used the TV-out as its primary output. Not really what I'm
> after.
>
> Thanks,
> Jesper
>
> On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 22:11, Markus Schneider wrote:
> > Hello there,
> >
> > I can confirm that the SDL-Patch is no longer needed if you are using
> > DirectFB-0.9.19 (and you want to use TV-Out, of course).
> >
> > Some more hints to get it working:
> >
> > - compile DirectFB-0.9.19 (./configure;make;make install)
> > - compile SDL-1.2 (CVS tarball) (./configure;make;make install)
> > - unpack freevo-1.3.2.tgz
> > 
> > (and replace runtime/dll/libSDL-1.2.so.0 with a link to your newly
> > compiled version that includes dfbmga-support, in my case
> > /usr/local/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0)
> >
> > my /etc/directfbrc:
> >
> > matrox-crtc2
> > matrox-tv-standard=pal
> > primary-layer=2
> >
> > my freevo.conf:
> >
> > chanlist = us-cable
> > display = dfbmga
> > geometry = 720x576
> > jpegtran = ./runtime/apps/jpegtran
> > mplayer = ./runtime/apps/mplayer/mplayer
> > tv = pal
> > tvtime = ./runtime/apps/tvtime/tvtime
> > version = 2.0
> >
> > Hope this helps some of you guys! I struggled myself to get it working
> > for quite some time...
> >
> > Markus
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Freevo-users] Re: SDL, g400, and dfbmga

[Nick Hatch]

I found a message from one of the great directfb/g400 hackers during my 
research (I think it was Ville Syrjälä) that said that this running two 
different displays in this manner wasn't supported by the current method that 
the dfbmga driver uses. I could be wrong though.

Has anyone done this?

-Nick 

On Friday 25 July 2003 01:33 pm, Jesper Skov wrote:
> Hi
>
> Is the TV-out the only active display used on your card? I'd like to use
> X on the primary head, while running freevo on the secondary head
> (TV-out).
>
> When I tried booting a kernel with the applied DirectFB patches the
> other day, it used the TV-out as its primary output. Not really what I'm
> after.
>
> Thanks,
> Jesper
>
> On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 22:11, Markus Schneider wrote:
> > Hello there,
> >
> > I can confirm that the SDL-Patch is no longer needed if you are using
> > DirectFB-0.9.19 (and you want to use TV-Out, of course).
> >
> > Some more hints to get it working:
> >
> > - compile DirectFB-0.9.19 (./configure;make;make install)
> > - compile SDL-1.2 (CVS tarball) (./configure;make;make install)
> > - unpack freevo-1.3.2.tgz
> > 
> > (and replace runtime/dll/libSDL-1.2.so.0 with a link to your newly
> > compiled version that includes dfbmga-support, in my case
> > /usr/local/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0)
> >
> > my /etc/directfbrc:
> >
> > matrox-crtc2
> > matrox-tv-standard=pal
> > primary-layer=2
> >
> > my freevo.conf:
> >
> > chanlist = us-cable
> > display = dfbmga
> > geometry = 720x576
> > jpegtran = ./runtime/apps/jpegtran
> > mplayer = ./runtime/apps/mplayer/mplayer
> > tv = pal
> > tvtime = ./runtime/apps/tvtime/tvtime
> > version = 2.0
> >
> > Hope this helps some of you guys! I struggled myself to get it working
> > for quite some time...
> >
> > Markus
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Freevo-users] Re: SDL, g400, and dfbmga

[Nick Hatch]

Ahh! Finally! I followed your directions (with the exception of using 
"geometry=720x480" for ntsc) and it works! The Directfb-0.9.19 looks like it 
did the trick. 

The only problem i'm having now with the basic Freevo setup is that there is 
quite a bit of flicker in the SDL menus. Mplayer plays using dfbmga and looks 
awesome, but the Freevo menus are almost seizure-inducing. What settings 
should I tweak to fix this?

I'm so close, thanks everyone for all the help.

-Nick

On Friday 25 July 2003 01:11 pm, Markus Schneider wrote:
> Hello there,
>
> I can confirm that the SDL-Patch is no longer needed if you are using
> DirectFB-0.9.19 (and you want to use TV-Out, of course).
>
> Some more hints to get it working:
>
> - compile DirectFB-0.9.19 (./configure;make;make install)
> - compile SDL-1.2 (CVS tarball) (./configure;make;make install)
> - unpack freevo-1.3.2.tgz
> 
> (and replace runtime/dll/libSDL-1.2.so.0 with a link to your newly
> compiled version that includes dfbmga-support, in my case
> /usr/local/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0)
>
> my /etc/directfbrc:
>
> matrox-crtc2
> matrox-tv-standard=pal
> primary-layer=2
>
> my freevo.conf:
>
> chanlist = us-cable
> display = dfbmga
> geometry = 720x576
> jpegtran = ./runtime/apps/jpegtran
> mplayer = ./runtime/apps/mplayer/mplayer
> tv = pal
> tvtime = ./runtime/apps/tvtime/tvtime
> version = 2.0
>
> Hope this helps some of you guys! I struggled myself to get it working
> for quite some time...
>
> Markus
>
>
>
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Re: [Freevo-users] Re: SDL, g400, and dfbmga

[Michael Ruelle]

I use the standard mga framebuffer. but thought vtrelease might help you too.

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On Friday 25 July 2003 18:04, Markus Schneider wrote:
> Hello Michael,
>
> Michael Ruelle schrieb:
> >On Friday 25 July 2003 16:48, Markus Schneider wrote:
> >>One problem I have with freevo here: the console only appears again, if
> >>I quit freevo properly (by the shutdown option in the menu). If freevo
> >>crashes or I kill it by hand, the console is lost until the next
> >>reboot!? Maybe someone knows how to get the console back in this case?
> >
> >use vtrelease it is in the fbcon directory.
>
> Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, this does not work for me... Are you
> using dfbmga or the "standard" mga framebuffer?
>
> Markus



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Re: [Freevo-users] Re: SDL, g400, and dfbmga

[Markus Schneider]

Hello Michael,

Michael Ruelle schrieb:

On Friday 25 July 2003 16:48, Markus Schneider wrote:
 

One problem I have with freevo here: the console only appears again, if
I quit freevo properly (by the shutdown option in the menu). If freevo
crashes or I kill it by hand, the console is lost until the next
reboot!? Maybe someone knows how to get the console back in this case?
   

use vtrelease it is in the fbcon directory.
 

Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, this does not work for me... Are you 
using dfbmga or the "standard" mga framebuffer?

Markus



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Re: [Freevo-users] Re: SDL, g400, and dfbmga

[Michael Ruelle]

On Friday 25 July 2003 16:48, Markus Schneider wrote:
> One problem I have with freevo here: the console only appears again, if
> I quit freevo properly (by the shutdown option in the menu). If freevo
> crashes or I kill it by hand, the console is lost until the next
> reboot!? Maybe someone knows how to get the console back in this case?

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Re: [Freevo-users] Re: SDL, g400, and dfbmga

[Markus Schneider]

Hi Jesper,

Is the TV-out the only active display used on your card? I'd like to use
X on the primary head, while running freevo on the secondary head
(TV-out).
 

Yes, that's right. If I start a DirectFB application, the monitor is 
turned off and the output is displayed on the TV. After I exit the 
application, the monitor displays the console again.

One problem I have with freevo here: the console only appears again, if 
I quit freevo properly (by the shutdown option in the menu). If freevo 
crashes or I kill it by hand, the console is lost until the next 
reboot!? Maybe someone knows how to get the console back in this case?

When I tried booting a kernel with the applied DirectFB patches the
other day, it used the TV-out as its primary output. Not really what I'm
after.
It didn't display the text consoles on the TV, did it? Anyway, I think 
the problem may be the G400 hardware design; even using the windows 
drivers, you only have complete control over some TV parameters (screen 
size), if you set the vertical refresh on the primary output to 50 Hz 
(when using PAL)... Can anybody confirm this?

Markus



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Re: [Freevo-users] Re: SDL, g400, and dfbmga

[Jesper Skov]

Hi

Is the TV-out the only active display used on your card? I'd like to use
X on the primary head, while running freevo on the secondary head
(TV-out).

When I tried booting a kernel with the applied DirectFB patches the
other day, it used the TV-out as its primary output. Not really what I'm
after.

Thanks,
Jesper




On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 22:11, Markus Schneider wrote:
> Hello there,
> 
> I can confirm that the SDL-Patch is no longer needed if you are using 
> DirectFB-0.9.19 (and you want to use TV-Out, of course).
> 
> Some more hints to get it working:
> 
> - compile DirectFB-0.9.19 (./configure;make;make install)
> - compile SDL-1.2 (CVS tarball) (./configure;make;make install)
> - unpack freevo-1.3.2.tgz 
>   
> (and replace runtime/dll/libSDL-1.2.so.0 with a link to your newly 
> compiled version that includes dfbmga-support, in my case 
> /usr/local/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0)
> 
> my /etc/directfbrc:
> 
> matrox-crtc2
> matrox-tv-standard=pal
> primary-layer=2
> 
> my freevo.conf:
> 
> chanlist = us-cable
> display = dfbmga
> geometry = 720x576
> jpegtran = ./runtime/apps/jpegtran
> mplayer = ./runtime/apps/mplayer/mplayer
> tv = pal
> tvtime = ./runtime/apps/tvtime/tvtime
> version = 2.0
> 
> Hope this helps some of you guys! I struggled myself to get it working 
> for quite some time...
> 
> Markus
> 
> 
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[Freevo-users] Re: SDL, g400, and dfbmga

[Markus Schneider]

Hello there,

I can confirm that the SDL-Patch is no longer needed if you are using 
DirectFB-0.9.19 (and you want to use TV-Out, of course).

Some more hints to get it working:

- compile DirectFB-0.9.19 (./configure;make;make install)
- compile SDL-1.2 (CVS tarball) (./configure;make;make install)
- unpack freevo-1.3.2.tgz 
  
(and replace runtime/dll/libSDL-1.2.so.0 with a link to your newly 
compiled version that includes dfbmga-support, in my case 
/usr/local/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0)

my /etc/directfbrc:

matrox-crtc2
matrox-tv-standard=pal
primary-layer=2
my freevo.conf:

chanlist = us-cable
display = dfbmga
geometry = 720x576
jpegtran = ./runtime/apps/jpegtran
mplayer = ./runtime/apps/mplayer/mplayer
tv = pal
tvtime = ./runtime/apps/tvtime/tvtime
version = 2.0
Hope this helps some of you guys! I struggled myself to get it working 
for quite some time...

Markus



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Re: [Freevo-users] Re Freevo as a persistant OS.

[Bart heremans]

Goto freevo homedpage, http://www.freevo.org, choose mailing lists in the
menu at the left side. Choose unsubscripe/subscribe/ for user list
options, shortcut : http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users

Then at the botom at the page enter email adres and hit the "edit options"
button.



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Date: 25/07/03 13:22

>
> Can someone please point me to somewhere I can change my email for this
> list? Sorry to be a pain, but I'm changing ISPs shortly and I wont be able
> to use this email address anymore.
>
> Q
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Re: [Freevo-users] Re Freevo as a persistant OS.

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list? Sorry to be a pain, but I'm changing ISPs shortly and I wont be able
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Re: [Freevo-users] RE: Freevo on Tech TV Tomorrow

[Q]

 Lol well call me a sucker for a simple solution, 
but from my perspective the great thing about Freevo is its lack of any external 
dependancies. So when you say 'no external dependancies' it would be nice if 
this is what it meant. (All required software and dependancies included) >From a 
new users perspective (and from the perspective of a critical journalists eye 
too perhaps) this would indeed be the ideal scenario.
 
Q
 
 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
 --- Krister Lagerstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: 
  Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
  
I vote for including it... rob was looking for a way to compile it,so
we could compile xmltv and all its dependancies and put it inruntime...It could at least be an option to download a binary xmltv app.Yes...What xmltv people say about that? I mean, many apps now use their codeand they make things harder and harder :)
  
A basic config should be relative easy to do, like:Do you want to watch movies?   What are your videos dirs?(If not, disable movies from main menu -- plugin)Do you want to listen to music?  What are your music dirs?...Yeah, I was thinking about something like that. The config could be astandalone X11 GUI "installer" app that downloads Freevo, asks if theuser wants to download extra packages like xmltv, demo files, etc.I prefer a curses option, so one could install it via telnet and inmachines without X11
  The installer could also be used for upgrades to easily handle new config
  options, etc.Yes, but that could be done using that configurator we were thinkingabout some time ago... however that will require a huge effort ondefining the API and implementing it...Anyone interested? :)
  There could also be some simple test functions for the HW settings,for instance for checking that the WinTV card is correctly identified(grab and display some frames), the right sound and mixer devices are used (play a sound), testing the remote control/joystick, etc.that could be done, but will require a huge work too :) Let's hopeRedHat, Mandrake and others to make better HW config tools ;)However, a small script that basically ask-download-install is easy todo (and hard to mantain :( )Gustavo___Conheça o novo Cadê? - Rápido, fácil e preciso.42 milhões de páginas brasileiras, busca por imagens e muito mais!http://www.cade.com.br---This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites includingData Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now.Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET.http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa0013ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01___Freevo-users mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-usersQ 

[Freevo-users] Re: Web Page down

[Dirk Meyer]

"Q" wrote:
> Erm so where's the project home paje gone to? I can't seem to reach it
> anymore.

Maybe a sf problem. Try again.

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Re: [Freevo-users] Re Flash IDE drives for persistant Freevo OS

[Mark Benson]

Check out www.linitx.com or more specifically
http://linitx.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=22&src=adwords1
for compact flash IDE adaptor. I've used one of these with a 128MB compact
flash card to boot smoothwall (no additional hard drives) and it works
fine... you may run into arguments about the expected life cycle of
read/write to CF but hey at £30 a pop and falling, and with >100,000 MTBF
write operations you could expect it to last at least a few years... one
thing to note is that older systems have a real hard time with these things,
the old 486 box that my smootheall was on refused to work correctly with
linux, it would get as far as uncompressing the kernel and then fail, but on
a newer(ish) k6 233, it worked fine... and is pretty quick to boot...
(faster than HDD)

- Original Message - 
From: "mediaserver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Freevo-users] Re Flash IDE drives for persistant Freevo OS


> Here's another link, this one for a compact flash to IDE adapter for the
> Mini-ITX.The same exist on a generic basis as well.  You might also
> check out peeweelinux.com.
>
> http://peeweelinux.com/
> http://shop.store.yahoo.com/ituner/micoflidead.html
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Q
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:42 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Freevo-users] Re Flash IDE drives for persistant Freevo OS
>
>
> Mmm... I'm having trouble finding any of these drives... can anyone point
me
> in the right direction? Or maybe someone has one for sale?
>
> Another neat thing would be flash memory on a PCI card, as this would give
> potentially very good data rates too. Again though, I'm not sure if
anything
> like that exists.
>
> Q
> - Original Message -
> From: "James Healy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] Re Freevo as a persistant OS.
>
>
> > Q wrote:
> >
> > > Can you possibly release a version Freevo specifically designed and
> built
> > > for use with damn small Linux? I am desperate to see a HTPC system
that
> will
> > > fit on a small Linux distro that can be installed on a
> >
> > you could try freevix - www.freevix.org
> >
> > It meets _some_ of your criteria. It boots straight to freevo, is small,
> > and supports Booting via USB/PXE/cf/HD however it does take a few
> > minutes to boot and shows you the boot messages (although i presume
> > there's a way to toggle this?)
> >
> > regards
> >
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