Re: [Freevo-users] Interface jumps back

[Jake Briggs]

Gorka Olaizola wrote:
> I noticed that behaviour last month but I couldn't track the code that
> was responsible for it. I deactivated almost all plugins but it didn't
> stop.
> Now with rel-1 and latest Ubuntu it seems not to happen.
>   

I am using 1.7.2, so maybe that is the issue

> I have a networked share and mounted with autofs too but it is nfs
> instead of samba. I didn't notice any disconections.
>   
I have upped my autofs timeout to an hour - we'll soon see if that is 
the issue :D Its probably the version

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Re: [Freevo-users] bug in genericitem.py

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It is similar to mame, but different enough where you have to use generic.

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Re: [Freevo-users] Better controls in freevo web page for VLC video streaming

[James Trietsch]

Pirlouwi:

I made a tweak to one of the videolan Java files, but what I did didn't
 work, so I put it back. All I'm running is your changes from the
 tar.gz file you posted to the mailing list:
 * Modified fileinfo.rpy to point to vlcwin.rpy
 * vlcwin.rpy
 * videolan directory to hold Java support files

I had an issue with the plugin not installing correctly (Firefox on
 Windows XP) so I took out the hand-installed VLC and used the version with
 the Windows installer instead. That properly installed the plugin and
 I could get playback.

I got a chance to try things out at home last night on the LAN. I found I can 
definitely scroll around inside the buffered area of an MP3 (both forward and 
backward and forward again) but video does not behave the same way. There seems 
to be a very small area around the current playback time where you can change, 
but if you go outside of that (forward or backward) then the error pops up. 
Perhaps it has to do with the video being a much higher bitrate than the MP3.

I have also noticed some of my MP3s stream 'live' and some stream with an 
ending time. The Java code looks for a total length of the object and if it 
doesn't find one, assumes it's a live stream. So now I question where it's 
getting the total length from. Is it just being lazy and trying to look it up 
in the media tag? And if it's not available, it assumes the media is a live 
stream? Just a minor thing to look into, I suppose.

Anyway, those are my results. Hope they help.

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Re: [Freevo-users] freevo cpu wakeups

[Duncan Webb]

Jaap Struyk wrote:
> Duncan Webb schreef:
> 
>> kaa notifier is being used in the rel-1 branch, may be this version is
>> better.
> 
> 1.7.4 is slightly bether, it has a proces of 100 ticks and one of ~105.
> Funny is the value of 100, my nvidia drives has 50 (wich is the redraw
> freq.) maybe freevo is also doing some screen refreshements inside but
> in a double rate?

1.7.4 is the rel-1-7 branch, the up coming 1.8.0 (rel-1 branch) has the
kaa.notifier code.

> 
>> There are some items to do, but the rel-1 branch is running fine.
> 
> It's running more than fine, I only came across this when looking for
> making my server cooler.
> Are there any values inside the code wich can be lowered? (like media
> polling intervals)

By configuration, no.

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Re: [Freevo-users] Better controls in freevo web page for VLC video streaming

[Duncan Webb]

John Molohan wrote:
> Evan Hisey wrote:
>> Pirlouwi
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2007 2:33 AM, Pirlouwi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   
>>> Hi Evan,
>>> what is the origin of such video without fxd? Normally if it had been
>>> created by Freevo, it always has a companion fxd file.
>>> If it was created by other means, you could put it in another directory.
>>> Is this "list-only-fxd-files" feature only for the record directory?
>>> _Pirlouwi.
>>> 
>>  The main source of non-.fxd files I get is from the encoding server.
>> This .fxd only listing does seem to be only for the recorded tv
>> directory. I also have to say that when browsing the Movies dur. going
>> from a text list at the top level of teh Movies menu to giant icons is
>> very disruptive.  I run my displays at 1400 x 1050 and only seeing
>> only six icons at a time is really not good. 

I don't see that there is a problem with non-fxd files, the appear as
normal, just with a longer name.

> Yeah I think I know what you're referring too - the cover images for 
> movies? These are way out of proportion to the rest. I remember taking a 
> quick look at the code but didn't pay it much attention as it's not an 
> area I use. Shouldn't be too hard to fix though if you want to submit a 
> patch.
>
>> Are the videos supposed
>> to be shown with a thumbnail? 

No they aren't, well at least it was never coded.

> I don't think so (at least I don't ever remember there being thumbnails) 
> but this would be a nice addition too and could possibly use the code 
> from the image viewer thumbnails.
>
>> I find also find the older column view
>> to be a bit more useful than the current one. 

I'll see if it is possible to bring back the old one as a configurable
option.

> Not sure I remember the older column view, is that a few released back 
> before the removal of deletion etc? I've only really started using the 
> web interface recently and that was prompted by Don's work on the config 
> page.
>
>> I have been wondering if
>> there is a way to make the web interface a bit more configurable via
>> local_config.py. This would allow for people with out VLC,like me, to
>> not have it show up in the web interface. or maybe it needs to be s
>> seperate config file.
>
> I'm sure it's possible. You could have different styles in your css that 
> could be chosen for different views from a setting in local_conf.py.

This may be possible but requires some substantial changes, the java
script needs moving out of fileinfo.rpy and the library need to be
changed for the configuration.

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Re: [Freevo-users] freevo cpu wakeups

[Jaap Struyk]

Duncan Webb schreef:

> kaa notifier is being used in the rel-1 branch, may be this version is
> better.

1.7.4 is slightly bether, it has a proces of 100 ticks and one of ~105.
Funny is the value of 100, my nvidia drives has 50 (wich is the redraw
freq.) maybe freevo is also doing some screen refreshements inside but
in a double rate?

> There are some items to do, but the rel-1 branch is running fine.

It's running more than fine, I only came across this when looking for
making my server cooler.
Are there any values inside the code wich can be lowered? (like media
polling intervals)
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Re: [Freevo-users] itv and vpodcast

[John Molohan]

Tanja wrote:
> John Molohan schrieb:
>   
>>>   
>>>   
>> I just tried and it works a charm. I added plugin.activate('tv.itv') 
>> then changed this to plugin.activate('tv.itv', level=1) which moves the 
>> entry for Internet TV higher up the menu items. Still I'll stick with 
>> the split over two menus suggestion :) Of course that could probably be 
>> achieved now by duplicating the plugin to both subdirectories but that's 
>> not the answer.
>>
>> 
>
> Duplicating code is definately not the answer
>   
Definitely not :)
> It makes code maintainance almost impossible.
> And actually this is how this whole discussion started, because we have to 
> plugins with almost the 
> same functionality
>   
Just wanted to post it in case anyone wanted that functionality right now.
>
> For the idea of moving things around in the menus:
> Doing this by copying things around is not good, as it will be broken with 
> the next update.
> Maybe that is another project, to make all this fully configurable by the 
> user:
> 1) check all plugins that are extra menu items if they are moveable,
> that means that they work, no matter where you put them.
> 2) give up the video/audio/image/tv thing for menu plugins, but put all in 
> one directory
> 3) make it possible to configure where they should appear in local_conf.py by
> plugin.activate('whatever', menu='audio', level=?)
> For this the whole code must be tidied up, there are item plugins that are 
> for special items and 
> menu plugins that can appear in every menu. I am not sure if that difference 
> is always clear in the 
> current code.
> Maybe I am crazy now :-)
>
> Tanja
>   
It might be more work but I'd definitely have to vote for option 3. This 
could be expanded to work with the shoppingcart plugin maybe so that 
beginners could cut and paste menu items around? There might need to be 
a config that's off by default for enabling that as users may mess 
things up unintentionally. Just a thought anyway but definitely option 3.

John

P.S. so far it doesn't look like anyone is too crazy ;)

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Re: [Freevo-users] bug in genericitem.py

[Duncan Webb]

Ryan Roth wrote:
> Duncan Webb wrote:
>>> thank you duncan for your answer.
>>>
>>> i've tried passing the file endings (img bin iso) to the COMMAND_ARGS,
>>> but still didn't work.
>>> i'm clueless.
>>> since i only have the ps1 entry, i'll stick with the
>>> command.append(file)
>>> line uncommented.
>>> 
>>
>> What you can try is to uncomment the line and then add a print or _debug_
>> just below the line.
>>
>> Like:
>> print 'command=%r' % (command,)
>> or
>> _debug_('command=%r' % (command,))
>> it needs to be indented at the same level as the command.append(file)
>>
>> If you can do this and tell me what is being shown then we should be able
>> to find a solution.
>>
>> Duncan
>>   
> I had to uncomment out line 73 also to get xmess working again, is there
> another way around this?  Here is my games item:
> 
>('NES', '/mnt/theattic/roms/nes',
>('GENERIC', '/usr/bin/xmess', 'nes -cart',
> '/mnt/theattic/roms/coverart', [ 'nes' ] ))

Isn't mess the same as snes or mame? IIRC one of these has the same code
base. Have you tried these plug-ins?

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Re: [Freevo-users] Better controls in freevo web page for VLC video streaming

[John Molohan]

Evan Hisey wrote:
> Pirlouwi
>
> On Nov 21, 2007 2:33 AM, Pirlouwi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Hi Evan,
>> what is the origin of such video without fxd? Normally if it had been
>> created by Freevo, it always has a companion fxd file.
>> If it was created by other means, you could put it in another directory.
>> Is this "list-only-fxd-files" feature only for the record directory?
>> _Pirlouwi.
>> 
>
>  The main source of non-.fxd files I get is from the encoding server.
> This .fxd only listing does seem to be only for the recorded tv
> directory. I also have to say that when browsing the Movies dur. going
> from a text list at the top level of teh Movies menu to giant icons is
> very disruptive.  I run my displays at 1400 x 1050 and only seeing
> only six icons at a time is really not good. 
Yeah I think I know what you're referring too - the cover images for 
movies? These are way out of proportion to the rest. I remember taking a 
quick look at the code but didn't pay it much attention as it's not an 
area I use. Shouldn't be too hard to fix though if you want to submit a 
patch.
> Are the videos supposed
> to be shown with a thumbnail? 
I don't think so (at least I don't ever remember there being thumbnails) 
but this would be a nice addition too and could possibly use the code 
from the image viewer thumbnails.
> I find also find the older column view
> to be a bit more useful than the current one. 
Not sure I remember the older column view, is that a few released back 
before the removal of deletion etc? I've only really started using the 
web interface recently and that was prompted by Don's work on the config 
page.
> I have been wondering if
> there is a way to make the web interface a bit more configurable via
> local_config.py. This would allow for people with out VLC,like me, to
> not have it show up in the web interface. or maybe it needs to be s
> seperate config file.
>
> Evan
I'm sure it's possible. You could have different styles in your css that 
could be chosen for different views from a setting in local_conf.py.

John

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Re: [Freevo-users] Better controls in freevo web page for VLC video streaming

[John Molohan]

Pirlouwi wrote:
> Just tried your work afaic.
> Good hit! All is functionnal, except for the webremote window : the 
> 3rd icon column is out of screen on the right - buttons are not 
> centered horizontally. 
Works for me at 1024x768 with Firefox2.0, IE7 & Safari (all on XP 
though, haven't tested on Linux yet!).
> But if I recall well, it was already the case in 1.7.3.
That's good - least it wasn't me :)
> Did you though about adding a delete option in the media library tab? 
> In the tv interface it is possible to delete a media, not in the web 
> interface. This should be added I think.
I didn't but I think you're right. It was changed a while back (by Tanja 
maybe?), a search of the svn logs might show up the code that's needed.
> Also, we should work to integrate the code from the wiki telling us 
> how to view live tv with vlc. Problem is that it use v4l api, which is 
> not well supported by all modern capture drivers. But it should be 
> really a killing feature.
> _Pirlouwi
Absolutely. This would really be a fantastic feature to have on top of 
the other developments. I replied to Jody's thread the other day but I 
haven't seen an update. I might email her directly in case she isn't 
checking the list.
>
> On Nov 20, 2007 9:45 PM, John Molohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
>
> Pirlouwi wrote:
> > Hello James,
> > I agree with you about the meaning of the error, but I still get it,
> > even if I seek backwards (to see what had normally already been
> buffered).
> > I don't know if the vlc plugin is actually able to make
> pre-buffering
> > (in the sense of what we can see on the youtube web plugin for
> > example). Perhaps it downloads packets when they are needed (in a
> > small time window). I would like to have a confirmation on that
> point.
> >
> > Whatever, if your integration of the videolan+seekbar stuffs
> allows to
> > seek backwards with success, could you send me the required
> files so I
> > could test it on my system?
> >
> > Is vlc the only opensource player to include a web plugin? I am
> > surprised that mplayer do not have such feature, considering the
> > emulation of tons of people around the mplayer project...
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Pirlouwi.
> >
> > On Nov 20, 2007 9:00 PM, James Trietsch < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > Funny you guys should be talking about this. I just patched
> up my
> > fileinfo.rpy and added the vidlan stuff and was playing with it
> > last night. I love it, although my only wish would be
> > de-interlacing control (since my recorded TV is interlaced).
> Alas,
> > outside of our home network, our DSL can't push enough data to
> > reliably stream anything but MP3s. -_-
> >
> > Anyhow, I was playing around, looking at the code and trying
> some
> > tweaks. I think I know what the
> > INPUT_CONTROL_SET_POSITION(_OFFSET) error is. It happens
> when you
> > try to seek past the buffer. I.E., if you start a song and then
> > try to jump out to the halfway mark, it'll give you the error
> > because it hasn't loaded that far into the song yet. But if you
> > take the current position and skip backwards, or skip forward a
> > few seconds, it seeks properly. At least this is the
> behavior I've
> > experienced so far.
> >
> > I suppose we're hindered by the lack of an indicator showing how
> > much of the file has loaded into memory... and I haven't
> been able
> > to do this on video files, because they all play as live
> streams,
> > so there's no seeking or pausing allowed.
> >
> > I hope this helps in the short term. ^_^
> >
> > James
> >
> > P.S. John, what web interface improvements have you been
> working
> > on? I tweaked the popup info box (fileinfo.rpy) to be more
> > friendly instead of just blindly listing the tags in the .fxd
> > file. I'd be happy to post up some examples and plan to
> submit the
> > changes once I feel I'm done with it. I still want to
> display more
> > info that's gathered from the file's information block (like
> ID3)
> > when an .fxd is not present, and maybe handle .fxds for files
> > other than recorded TV programs.
> >
> Weird, I didn't get James' original post, anyway I've just submitted a
> feature request for my work on the webserver. It's all cosmetic stuff
> really, although I've failed so far to get slimbox to work with the
> library for a more slick image viewer. Have a look here for the
> tracker
> item
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid

Re: [Freevo-users] bug in genericitem.py

[Ryan Roth]

Duncan Webb wrote:
>> thank you duncan for your answer.
>>
>> i've tried passing the file endings (img bin iso) to the COMMAND_ARGS,
>> but still didn't work.
>> i'm clueless.
>> since i only have the ps1 entry, i'll stick with the command.append(file)
>> line uncommented.
>> 
>
> What you can try is to uncomment the line and then add a print or _debug_
> just below the line.
>
> Like:
> print 'command=%r' % (command,)
> or
> _debug_('command=%r' % (command,))
> it needs to be indented at the same level as the command.append(file)
>
> If you can do this and tell me what is being shown then we should be able
> to find a solution.
>
> Duncan
>   
I had to uncomment out line 73 also to get xmess working again, is there 
another way around this?  Here is my games item:

('NES', '/mnt/theattic/roms/nes',
('GENERIC', '/usr/bin/xmess', 'nes -cart', 
'/mnt/theattic/roms/coverart', [ 'nes' ] ))


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Re: [Freevo-users] Better controls in freevo web page for VLC video streaming

[Evan Hisey]

Pirlouwi

On Nov 21, 2007 2:33 AM, Pirlouwi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Evan,
> what is the origin of such video without fxd? Normally if it had been
> created by Freevo, it always has a companion fxd file.
> If it was created by other means, you could put it in another directory.
> Is this "list-only-fxd-files" feature only for the record directory?
> _Pirlouwi.

 The main source of non-.fxd files I get is from the encoding server.
This .fxd only listing does seem to be only for the recorded tv
directory. I also have to say that when browsing the Movies dur. going
from a text list at the top level of teh Movies menu to giant icons is
very disruptive.  I run my displays at 1400 x 1050 and only seeing
only six icons at a time is really not good. Are the videos supposed
to be shown with a thumbnail? I find also find the older column view
to be a bit more useful than the current one. I have been wondering if
there is a way to make the web interface a bit more configurable via
local_config.py. This would allow for people with out VLC,like me, to
not have it show up in the web interface. or maybe it needs to be s
seperate config file.

Evan

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Re: [Freevo-users] please help fix TV play using 1.7.4 on Ubuntu Gusty

[ilan barak]

Thank you Dunkan

the cache command 'ivtv'   : '-cache 8192', worked. perfect.

I am most greatful (and happy)

yours truly

Ilan



Duncan Webb wrote:

  ilan barak wrote:
  
  
Thanks Duncan. Unfortunately this doesn't help.
I got the local_conf changes as you recommended using the convert_config
tool. The problem still exists.
especially the TV config section is now:

TV_VIDEO_GROUPS = [
VideoGroup(vdev='/dev/video0',
   adev=None,
   input_type='composite 1',
   input_num=2,
   tuner_norm='PAL',
   tuner_type='external',
   tuner_chanlist='',
   desc='external tuner',
   group_type='ivtv')
   ]


More help will be gratefully appreciated


  
  
[snip]

  
  

Freevo 1.7.4 r10133 started at Tue Nov 20 08:25:00 2007


  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/freevo/tv/plugins/mplayer.py",
line 175, in Play
mpl = '--prio=%s %s -vo %s %s -ao %s %s -slave %s %s' % args
TypeError: not enough arguments for format string

  
  
Try this first:
Add the following to MPLAYER_ARGS in local_conf.py:
'ivtv'   : '-cache 8192',

If this fails then try adding a line of code to
/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/freevo/tv/plugins/mplayer.py

I would like to see what the value of args is:
print "args=%r" % (args,)

like this:
args += (tvcmd,)

print 'args=%r' % (args,)
mpl = '--prio=%s %s -vo %s %s -ao %s %s -slave %s %s' % args

command = mpl

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Re: [Freevo-users] Interface jumps back

[Gorka Olaizola]

On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 02:03:32PM +1300, Jake Briggs wrote:
> Hi All
> 
> I have an odd issue with freevo, it started to happen when I rebuilt my 
> freevo box about a year ago.
> 
I noticed that behaviour last month but I couldn't track the code that
was responsible for it. I deactivated almost all plugins but it didn't
stop.
Now with rel-1 and latest Ubuntu it seems not to happen.

> Sometimes it happens while scrolling down the list as well, but it 
> happens when the remote is left alone. Now, these directories live on a 
> samba share, mounted via autofs.
> 
I have a networked share and mounted with autofs too but it is nfs
instead of samba. I didn't notice any disconections.


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Re: [Freevo-users] Interface jumps back

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Duncan Webb wrote:
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> I have an odd issue with freevo, it started to happen when I rebuilt my
>>> freevo box about a year ago.
>>>
>>> I'll browse to a directory, say (from the main menu):
>>>
>>> movies/Tv/Some Tv Program/
>>>
>>> and leave the interface displaying that directory and after some time
>>> (maybe a couple of minutes, its seems to change) it'll jump back to
>>> displaying the contents of :
>>>
>>> movies/Tv/
>>>
>>> Sometimes it happens while scrolling down the list as well, but it
>>> happens when the remote is left alone. Now, these directories live on a
>>> samba share, mounted via autofs.
>>>
>>> I am not really sure even where to start looking. There is nothing in
>>> the logs (I have DEBUG=1 in local_conf.py). Does anyone have any ideas
>>> how I can start looking? It's a little annoying, and I want to get to
>>> the bottom of it :D
>>>   
>> Try running an ircat --config=/etc/freevo/lircrc or an irw to see if there
>> are any odd ir commands that are being sent. You can do this from an ssh
>> window while freevo is running as lic allows multiple connections.
>> 
>
> I meant:
> ircat --config=/etc/freevo/lircrc freevo
>
> Duncan
>   
This is what I get, when I was watching a movie :

captainspaulding ~ # ircat --config=/etc/freevo/lircrc freevo
PLAY
PLAY
PLAY
PLAY
LEFT
EXIT

The first PLAY paused it, I rewound it a bit after the second 
pause/play, then hit exit when the credits were running. Then, while 
sitting and watching the directory listing, it jumped back again after 
about a minute - but no output from ircat!

Maybe its the fact that the automounter unmounted the samba share 
The share - which the movie was playing from - is not mounted anymore.
What would happen if the directory which is being viewed became unmounted?

Jake



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Re: [Freevo-users] itv and vpodcast

[Tanja]

John Molohan schrieb:
>>   
> I just tried and it works a charm. I added plugin.activate('tv.itv') 
> then changed this to plugin.activate('tv.itv', level=1) which moves the 
> entry for Internet TV higher up the menu items. Still I'll stick with 
> the split over two menus suggestion :) Of course that could probably be 
> achieved now by duplicating the plugin to both subdirectories but that's 
> not the answer.
> 

Duplicating code is definately not the answer
It makes code maintainance almost impossible.
And actually this is how this whole discussion started, because we have to 
plugins with almost the 
same functionality


For the idea of moving things around in the menus:
Doing this by copying things around is not good, as it will be broken with the 
next update.
Maybe that is another project, to make all this fully configurable by the user:
1) check all plugins that are extra menu items if they are moveable,
that means that they work, no matter where you put them.
2) give up the video/audio/image/tv thing for menu plugins, but put all in one 
directory
3) make it possible to configure where they should appear in local_conf.py by
plugin.activate('whatever', menu='audio', level=?)
For this the whole code must be tidied up, there are item plugins that are for 
special items and 
menu plugins that can appear in every menu. I am not sure if that difference is 
always clear in the 
current code.
Maybe I am crazy now :-)

Tanja




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Re: [Freevo-users] itv and vpodcast

[Tanja]

Just some more thoughts to the discussion:

Is there something like a continues tv stream on the net?
All I have seen so far, was video podcast, meaning single episodes you can 
download and watch.
For audio there is both, web radio which is a continues stream and audio 
podcast, which is single 
pieces. But how is that for video?

This is also why I was thinking to call the new plugin vpodcast and not itv, 
because internet tv 
would be continues content in my interpretion (or is this a misinterpretation 
of a not native speaker?).

And what about things like youtube and the like, that are now in the vpodcast 
plugin? They are not 
tv, aren't they?

More opinions are welcome!

I will probably not start coding before the weekend anyway...

Regards
Tanja



Frank [Antispam account] schrieb:
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens 
>> John Molohan
>> Verzonden: 20 November 2007 19:43
>> Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Freevo-users] itv and vpodcast
>   
>   
> 
>>> I would also vote for moving it to the movies menu and 
>> leave the TV menu for real TV hardware.
>>> I think this is also clearer from the coders point of view, 
>> as VideoItem is used for the streams.
>>> @John: Is that ok for you?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tanja
>>>   
>> I'd really still have to argue that logically internet tv 
>> should go under the TV menu. Especially if there are live TV 
>> streams, then when I'm watching TV it doesn't matter that 
>> it's streaming from the net as opposed to from my TV card - 
>> it's still 'watching tv'. Where I do see a problem is when 
>> it's used to download TV, then it could be argued that it 
>> should come under the movies section as that's where you'd 
>> normally have offline content. However I'd still say stick 
>> with the TV menu because if you took Freevo from an outsiders 
>> point of view, as a appliance or stb or whatever, do you 
>> think someone new to it would expect to find TV under the 
>> 'Watch TV ' menu or under the 'Watch a Video' menu? I'm not 
>> trying to be smart here in any way I'm just aware that there 
>> may also be some meaning lost in translations. I can't see 
>> how TV, whether it be internet or not, offline or not, should 
>> come under anything but the 'Watch TV' menu. Movies are films 
>> and as such it really doesn't belong under that menu. This in 
>> turn brings up another issue - 'Watch a Movie' should more 
>> accurately be called 'Watch a Video' but even if it was I 
>> still wouldn't put it under that heading :) Arguments welcome :)
>>
>> Having just reread that paragraph I might go a different 
>> direction and expand on this. What I think the real problem 
>> is that the proposed plugin is not an 'Internet TV' plugin 
>> but rather an 'Online Content' 
>> plugin i.e. it is not restricted to just showing TV stations 
>> nor is it excluded from showing them, it will display 
>> whatever content it's pointed to. Taking this into account 
>> and re-evaluating it from a new users point of view could I 
>> suggest another solution? Add a variable to the config that 
>> states whether the feed is a TV station or not. If it is it 
>> would be displayed under an 'Internet TV' submenu of the TV 
>> menu, if it is not then there could be another submenu under 
>> the Movies menu for 'Online video' or some such. I know that 
>> this may seem slightly over complicated at first but I always 
>> try to look at freevo from a usability point of view (and 
>> specifically from a new users point of view). Any thoughts? 
>> Am I mad :)
>>
>> John
>>
> 
> 
> I agree with John. I think it would be logical to put it in "Watch TV".
> 
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Re: [Freevo-users] Better controls in freevo web page for VLC video streaming

[Pirlouwi]

Hi Evan,
what is the origin of such video without fxd? Normally if it had been
created by Freevo, it always has a companion fxd file.
If it was created by other means, you could put it in another directory.
Is this "list-only-fxd-files" feature only for the record directory?
_Pirlouwi.

On 11/21/07, Evan Hisey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> John
> > Did you though about adding a delete option in the media library tab? In
> the
> > tv interface it is possible to delete a media, not in the web interface.
> > This should be added I think.
> This was a feature lost from the 1.6 line. Iwas starting to look at
> the librar code to see about returning some of the older functionality
> back to the library pages. The 2 things that I most miss is that the
> old interface should all video is in the record directory not just the
> .fxd files and you had a clean delete option on each of them.
>
> Evan
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