Re: [Freevo-users] Advice on high end sound cards m-audio, creative, others?
Matthias Reichl wrote: > On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:48:46AM +0200, Kari Smolander wrote: > >> I would say that as long as your card do not resample and the transfer >> route is fully digital, it does not really matter what card you have. >> I have a 20 euro USB Behringer with optical out and I think that it is >> perfect. My amplifier takes care of the DAC. It would be waste of >> money to spend more for 44 and 48 kHz 2 channel audio or raw DD/DTS >> out. >> > > ACK. For example soundcards with a C-Media CMI 8738/8768 chip > are reported to not do any resampling. > > Another thing to take care of is Alsa: In the default configuration > Alsa uses the dmix plugin which does resampling to 48kHz. The easiest > solution around this (if you don't need dmix) is to change the default > device to your (hardware) soundcard: > > /etc/asound.conf: > > pcm.!default { > type hw > card 0 > device 0 > } > > ctl.!default { > type hw > card 0 > } > > Of course you might also tell applications to use another playback > device, for example by setting MPLAYER_AO_DEV_OPTS to "device=hw=0,0" > in freevo's local_conf.py. > > so long, > > Hias > A big thanks to everyone who has replied. There's been some really useful stuff here and I've learned quite a bit that will help if I ever do upgrade to an amp with digital in. John -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Webserver not finding recordserver
On 06/02/2009 15:08, Jonathan Isom said the following: > Hi all >I'm am trying the latest svn and the webserver isn't finding the > recordserver. > In the freevo interface it found it though. See: http://www.mail-archive.com/freevo-de...@lists.sourceforge.net/msg18058.html Duncan -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] 1.8.3 livepause problem
On 06/02/2009 11:57, Matthew Job said the following: > I must have done something wrong last time. I did it again and am > getting a different error > > failed to load plugin idlebar.encoding > start 'freevo plugins -l' to get a list of plugins > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/freevo/plugin.py", line 555, in > __load_plugin__ > p = eval(object)() > File > "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/freevo/plugins/idlebar/encoding.py", > line 70, in __init__ > self.server= EncodingClientActions() > NameError: global name 'EncodingClientActions' is not defined > > I cannot find anything about encodingclientactions. You didn't do anything wrong, see https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=446895&aid=2390775&group_id=46652 Simply adding a line after "import rc" fixes this problem from gui import Progressbar import rc +from video.encodingclient import EncodingClientActions HTH Duncan -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
[Freevo-users] Webserver not finding recordserver
Hi all I'm am trying the latest svn and the webserver isn't finding the recordserver. In the freevo interface it found it though. Any thoughts Jonathan ASUS m3a78 mothorboard AMD Athlon64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ 3.1Ghz Gigabyte NVidia 9400gt Graphics adapter Kworld ATSC 110 TV Capture Card Kworld ATSC 115 TV Capture Card -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Advice on high end sound cards m-audio, creative, others?
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 11:48:46AM +0200, Kari Smolander wrote: > I would say that as long as your card do not resample and the transfer > route is fully digital, it does not really matter what card you have. > I have a 20 euro USB Behringer with optical out and I think that it is > perfect. My amplifier takes care of the DAC. It would be waste of > money to spend more for 44 and 48 kHz 2 channel audio or raw DD/DTS > out. ACK. For example soundcards with a C-Media CMI 8738/8768 chip are reported to not do any resampling. Another thing to take care of is Alsa: In the default configuration Alsa uses the dmix plugin which does resampling to 48kHz. The easiest solution around this (if you don't need dmix) is to change the default device to your (hardware) soundcard: /etc/asound.conf: pcm.!default { type hw card 0 device 0 } ctl.!default { type hw card 0 } Of course you might also tell applications to use another playback device, for example by setting MPLAYER_AO_DEV_OPTS to "device=hw=0,0" in freevo's local_conf.py. so long, Hias -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] 1.8.3 livepause problem
I must have done something wrong last time. I did it again and am getting a different errorfailed to load plugin idlebar.encodingstart 'freevo plugins -l' to get a list of pluginsTraceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/freevo/plugin.py", line 555, in __load_plugin__p = eval(object)() File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/freevo/plugins/idlebar/encoding.py", line 70, in __init__self.server= EncodingClientActions()NameError: global name 'EncodingClientActions' is not definedI cannot find anything about encodingclientactions.Matt> From: a...@dvbstreamer.org> To: freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:54:05 +> Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] 1.8.3 livepause problem> > On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 11:34 +, Matthew Job wrote:>> Hi>> >> I had to reinstall ubuntu (8.04 server lts) and attempting to install>> freevo from source>> >> I have installed kaa-base, kaa-imlib and kaa-metadata from the freevo>> sourceforge page>> I believe i have installed all the dependencies but when I run freevo>> it runs but I get the following error:>> >> failed to load plugin tv.livepause>> start 'freevo plugins -l' to get a list of plugins>> Traceback (most recent call last):>> File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/freevo/plugin.py", line 553,>> in __load_plugin__>> exec('import %s' % module)>> File "", line 1, in >> File>> "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/freevo/tv/plugins/livepause/__init__.py", line 53, in >> from tv.plugins.livepause import display>> File>> "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/freevo/tv/plugins/livepause/display/__init__.py", line 43, in >> from tv.plugins.livepause.display import x11graphics>> ImportError: cannot import name x11graphics>> Freevo 1.8.3 ready>> >> >> I believe I am just missing something but I am not sure what.> > It's not you there is a problem with the 1.8.3 release, due to last> minute changes (that didn't get released) some of the files required by> livepause got removed. The simplest way to fix it would be to download> the 1.8.2 release and recursively copy the contents of> src/tv/plugins/livepause/display into the same folder in your 1.8.3> release and then reinstall 1.8.3.> > Cheers> > Adam> > > > --> This SF.net email is sponsored by:> SourcForge Community> SourceForge wants to tell your story.> http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword> ___> Freevo-users mailing list> Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users _ Need a new place to rent, share or buy? Let ninemsn property help http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline&_t=774152450&_r=Domain_tagline&_m=EXT-- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] 16x9 telly/monitor, and the theme
Duncan Webb wrote: > On 06/02/2009 09:44, Stephen Rowles said the following: > >>> Hi All >>> >>> I recently reinstalled my freevo machine (replaced gentoo with ubuntu), >>> and installed 1.8.3, but I can't for the life of me remember how I got >>> the interface to be widescreen! At the moment, its full screen but 4x3. >>> Videos play properly (apart from dvds, they play in 16x9 but using the >>> 4x3 width). I am using a 16x9 telly, at 1360x768 over a vga cable. >>> Also, how would one make it so a certain button on a remote zooms the >>> image in? I had a look at mplayer slave stuff, I have managed to make a >>> button change_subs, swicth_audio, and switch_ratio, but not just plain >>> old zoom! I have some 4x3 videos, but the top and bottom have black >>> bars >>> >>> >> I think... >> >> /etc/freevo.conf: >> >> geometry = 1360x768 (for you) >> >> There is also a widescreen theme which you can choose called panorama >> which works better for widescreen (Select with 'd' I think). >> >> for me to get this to work properly with xine I also had to set the >> appropriate resolution in my X config which meant setting the DisplaySize >> section on the Monitor to an appropriate 16x9 resolution. >> > > You may also need to set the -monitoraspect in MPLAYER_ARGS_DEF and > perhaps IMAGEVIEWER_ASPECT. > > Check the command line that is being used from the logs. > > Duncan > Thanks guys, I'll check this tomorrow morning. Its sleep time for me now :D -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] 16x9 telly/monitor, and the theme
Stephen Rowles wrote: >> Hi All >> >> I recently reinstalled my freevo machine (replaced gentoo with ubuntu), >> and installed 1.8.3, but I can't for the life of me remember how I got >> the interface to be widescreen! At the moment, its full screen but 4x3. >> Videos play properly (apart from dvds, they play in 16x9 but using the >> 4x3 width). I am using a 16x9 telly, at 1360x768 over a vga cable. >> Also, how would one make it so a certain button on a remote zooms the >> image in? I had a look at mplayer slave stuff, I have managed to make a >> button change_subs, swicth_audio, and switch_ratio, but not just plain >> old zoom! I have some 4x3 videos, but the top and bottom have black >> bars >> >> > > I think... > > /etc/freevo.conf: > > geometry = 1360x768 (for you) > /etc/freevo/freevo.conf has geometry set to 1360x768 :( But then, after you suggested that freevo.conf may be located elsewhere - in /etc/ - I did a "find / -name freevo.conf" - and what do you know, there is one in "~/.freevo", where geometry is set to 800x600! Changing this fixed it :D -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Advice on high end sound cards m-audio, creative, others?
> What I'm curious about is the quality coming out of the PC over digital > (there are obviously factors that effect analogue quality). As far as I > would have thought it's a digital stream so it will be perfect all the > way to your amp and the quality of your amp and it's DAC is all that > should matter. I said this in passing to a sales guy in one of the high > end hifi dealers here a couple of years ago and he disagreed. I didn't > have time to get into it with him so I'm not sure why. > > John > I would say that as long as your card do not resample and the transfer route is fully digital, it does not really matter what card you have. I have a 20 euro USB Behringer with optical out and I think that it is perfect. My amplifier takes care of the DAC. It would be waste of money to spend more for 44 and 48 kHz 2 channel audio or raw DD/DTS out. Kari -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] freevo 1.8 memory usage when viewing images
On 04/02/2009 17:05, Olivier Sessink said the following: > nobody else having memory issues with photo viewing and freevo 1.8.3 ? > > regards, > Olivier > > Olivier Sessink wrote: >> Jason Tackaberry wrote: >>> On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 20:21 +0100, Olivier Sessink wrote: memory.. It's running freevo dedicated, so besides the X server and a ssh daemon there is nothing else using memory, still freevo is killed by the out-of-memory killer. What changed? Can I tune the memory usage >>> Smells like a memory leak. Does freevo's memory usage increase steadily >>> as you flip through images? >> immediately when opening a directory with images the memory usage rises >> skyhigh. >> >> without any images, directly after startup: >> >> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND >> 31275 olivier 20 0 76084 40m 8088 S1 8.4 0:01.85 python >> >> after opening a directory with 114 5megapixel images (9 images shown): >> >> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND >> 31275 olivier 20 0 251m 218m 8152 S3 46.0 0:10.49 python >> >> after scrolling down the first page (again 9 images, of which 6 new): >> >> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND >> 31275 olivier 20 0 370m 336m 8152 S2 70.8 0:15.38 python >> >> after scrolling down the second page: >> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND >> 31275 olivier 20 0 385m 351m 8152 S1 74.0 0:20.14 python >> >> after opening a first image: >> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND >> 31275 olivier 20 0 422m 388m 8160 S 19 82.0 0:21.97 python >> >> after opening the second image: >> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND >> 31275 olivier 20 0 418m 384m 8160 S 54 81.2 0:25.35 python >> >> hit escape, escape, choose a directory with 149 images: >> *crash* (more than 515MB of memory used) >> >> for further information: >> >> the system is a Linux Debian unstable system, with freevo-1.8.3 >> installed from source. It runs on a VIA epia board 1.3GHz Via C7 with >> 512 MB memory. It boots via PXE and runs root-over-NFS (it doesn't have >> a harddisk). Display is provided by the TV out of the Unichrome X11 driver. I had a brief look at this when you reported the problem. Wasn't sure if this was a memory leak or not but noticed that freevo holds onto the images. Of course with modern cameras images can be very large 3072x2048x4 bytes (24MB) per image so a few images will use quite a bit of memory and will take quite a long time to display as they need rescaling to fit a screen. But I have some folders with several hundred images and never run out of memory. Duncan -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] 16x9 telly/monitor, and the theme
On 06/02/2009 09:44, Stephen Rowles said the following: >> Hi All >> >> I recently reinstalled my freevo machine (replaced gentoo with ubuntu), >> and installed 1.8.3, but I can't for the life of me remember how I got >> the interface to be widescreen! At the moment, its full screen but 4x3. >> Videos play properly (apart from dvds, they play in 16x9 but using the >> 4x3 width). I am using a 16x9 telly, at 1360x768 over a vga cable. >> Also, how would one make it so a certain button on a remote zooms the >> image in? I had a look at mplayer slave stuff, I have managed to make a >> button change_subs, swicth_audio, and switch_ratio, but not just plain >> old zoom! I have some 4x3 videos, but the top and bottom have black >> bars >> > > I think... > > /etc/freevo.conf: > > geometry = 1360x768 (for you) > > There is also a widescreen theme which you can choose called panorama > which works better for widescreen (Select with 'd' I think). > > for me to get this to work properly with xine I also had to set the > appropriate resolution in my X config which meant setting the DisplaySize > section on the Monitor to an appropriate 16x9 resolution. You may also need to set the -monitoraspect in MPLAYER_ARGS_DEF and perhaps IMAGEVIEWER_ASPECT. Check the command line that is being used from the logs. Duncan -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] Advice on high end sound cards m-audio, creative, others?
On Fri, 6 Feb 2009, John Molohan wrote: > I said this in passing to a sales guy in one of the high > end hifi dealers here a couple of years ago and he disagreed. Just ask to see the Physics Degree when you get BS (BadStuff, Strine pronunication) from hifi sales people -- Even more amazing was the realization that God has Internet access. I wonder if He has a full newsfeed? -- Matt Welsh -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] 16x9 telly/monitor, and the theme
> Hi All > > I recently reinstalled my freevo machine (replaced gentoo with ubuntu), > and installed 1.8.3, but I can't for the life of me remember how I got > the interface to be widescreen! At the moment, its full screen but 4x3. > Videos play properly (apart from dvds, they play in 16x9 but using the > 4x3 width). I am using a 16x9 telly, at 1360x768 over a vga cable. > Also, how would one make it so a certain button on a remote zooms the > image in? I had a look at mplayer slave stuff, I have managed to make a > button change_subs, swicth_audio, and switch_ratio, but not just plain > old zoom! I have some 4x3 videos, but the top and bottom have black > bars > I think... /etc/freevo.conf: geometry = 1360x768 (for you) There is also a widescreen theme which you can choose called panorama which works better for widescreen (Select with 'd' I think). for me to get this to work properly with xine I also had to set the appropriate resolution in my X config which meant setting the DisplaySize section on the Monitor to an appropriate 16x9 resolution. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users
Re: [Freevo-users] 1.8.3 livepause problem
Sorry for the late replyUnfortunately that didnt work.I get the following msgTraceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/freevo/main.py", line 49, in import kaa File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/kaa/__init__.py", line 33, in from kaa.notifier import * File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/kaa/notifier/__init__.py", line 65, in from gobject import GOBJECT, gobject_set_threaded File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/kaa/notifier/gobject.py", line 51, in gobject = sysimport('gobject') File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/kaa/utils.py", line 301, in sysimportcwd = os.path.realpath(os.getcwd())OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory> From: a...@dvbstreamer.org> To: freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:54:05 +> Subject: Re: [Freevo-users] 1.8.3 livepause problem> > On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 11:34 +, Matthew Job wrote:>> Hi>> >> I had to reinstall ubuntu (8.04 server lts) and attempting to install>> freevo from source>> >> I have installed kaa-base, kaa-imlib and kaa-metadata from the freevo>> sourceforge page>> I believe i have installed all the dependencies but when I run freevo>> it runs but I get the following error:>> >> failed to load plugin tv.livepause>> start 'freevo plugins -l' to get a list of plugins>> Traceback (most recent call last):>> File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/freevo/plugin.py", line 553,>> in __load_plugin__>> exec('import %s' % module)>> File "", line 1, in >> File>> "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/freevo/tv/plugins/livepause/__init__.py", line 53, in >> from tv.plugins.livepause import display>> File>> "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/freevo/tv/plugins/livepause/display/__init__.py", line 43, in >> from tv.plugins.livepause.display import x11graphics>> ImportError: cannot import name x11graphics>> Freevo 1.8.3 ready>> >> >> I believe I am just missing something but I am not sure what.> > It's not you there is a problem with the 1.8.3 release, due to last> minute changes (that didn't get released) some of the files required by> livepause got removed. The simplest way to fix it would be to download> the 1.8.2 release and recursively copy the contents of> src/tv/plugins/livepause/display into the same folder in your 1.8.3> release and then reinstall 1.8.3.> > Cheers> > Adam> > > > --> This SF.net email is sponsored by:> SourcForge Community> SourceForge wants to tell your story.> http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword> ___> Freevo-users mailing list> Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users _ Get rid of those unwanted christmas presents! Get what you want at ebay. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Frover%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Frover%2F1%2F705%2D10129%2D5668%2D323%2F4%3Fid%3D10&_t=763807330&_r=hotmailTAGLINES&_m=EXT-- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com___ Freevo-users mailing list Freevo-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freevo-users