Re: [Freevo-users] Freevo 2.0 features

2007-03-20 Thread Dirk Meyer
Nicolas Souchu wrote:
> Ok, have you guys ever written what would be the best multimedia box for
> you... taking into account your experience, mythtv/vdr/freevo and other
> state of the arts. That wouldn't be bad as a starting point for
> next freevo generation specification, no ?

The next generation specification is in the code :)
By rewriting the core for Freevo 2.0 and by creating the kaa modules
we have some discussion at freevo-devel and on irc, write some code,
talk about it again and so on. There is no design doc.


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Re: [Freevo-users] Freevo 2.0 features

2007-03-18 Thread Jason Tackaberry
Nicolas Souchu wrote:
> Jason, MeBox looked very promising. This is unfortunate that the mplayer idea
> didn't succeed because I really like the it.

It's ok, because what we ended up with was much better, and much more
flexible.

The main limitation of using mplayer-as-a-platform is mplayer itself:
lack of DVD menus, no good deinterlacers/pulldown suitable for realtime
viewing, and its inability to adjust the filter chain dynamically
prevented some important features like being able to go from a
fullscreen video to the menus with the video playing in a thumbnail.
The prototype Chandan Pitta did (see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4w9fkXYjOk) would not be possible using
my original mplayer idea for MeBox.

The architecture we have now allows for all this.  You can take a
running video and add it to a canvas and apply any effects you can apply
to any other canvas object, including color filters, transparency,
animation, etc.  And because we're not tied inextricably to a given
player, we can support (and in fact tend to prefer) Xine, because of its
superior deinterlacers/pullup support and DVD menus, audio
visualization, etc.

Cheers,
Jason.

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Re: [Freevo-users] Freevo 2.0 features

2007-03-18 Thread Nicolas Souchu
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:56:07PM +0100, Dirk Meyer wrote:
> Nicolas Souchu wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Would you be kind to point me some URL detailing (new) features of
> > Freevo *2.0* ? Did I completly missed something from the wiki ?
> 
> The real new feature of 2.0 is a complete rewrite of the core. There
> are close to no new features compared to teh current 1.7 release. But
> 2.0 will make a new set of features possible.

Ok, have you guys ever written what would be the best multimedia box for
you... taking into account your experience, mythtv/vdr/freevo and other
state of the arts. That wouldn't be bad as a starting point for
next freevo generation specification, no ?

Jason, MeBox looked very promising. This is unfortunate that the mplayer idea
didn't succeed because I really like the it.

Nicolas

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Re: [Freevo-users] Freevo 2.0 features

2007-03-16 Thread Jason Tackaberry
On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 16:15 +0100, Michel Hoogervorst wrote:
> What the video mentioned on the mainpage about then?
> That looks very cool and promising compared to 1.x :)

That video shows a prototype done by Chandan Pitta using Kaa, building
on the menu demo I did a while back to show the canvas animation engine.

Kaa is the media framework built primarily by Dischi and myself used for
writing apps like Freevo.  Much of Kaa's design was influenced from my
experiments with the mplayer-as-a-platform idea but that's fundamentally
not the direction Kaa takes.

Agreed that it looks very cool and promising. :)



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Re: [Freevo-users] Freevo 2.0 features

2007-03-16 Thread Michel Hoogervorst

What the video mentioned on the mainpage about then?
That looks very cool and promising compared to 1.x :)

2007/3/16, Jason Tackaberry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 12:56 +0100, Dirk Meyer wrote:
> > I read some interview on
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/01/27/freevo.html
> > Also I browsed a side project from the author of Freevo using mplayer
as a platform rather
> > than an helper... but what is actually in 2.0 ?
>
> It was an idea but we don't use it. It could be possible.

He might be talking about MeBox.  MPlayer-as-a-platform was the initial
approach I was going to take for MeBox and I had prototyped it.  It is
viable in some ways, but looking at the bigger picture it was too
problematic.  So we will not be taking that route for Freevo (nor will I
be taking that route for MeBox, should I ever actually write it :))

Jason.


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Re: [Freevo-users] Freevo 2.0 features

2007-03-16 Thread Jason Tackaberry
On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 12:56 +0100, Dirk Meyer wrote:
> > I read some interview on 
> > http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/01/27/freevo.html
> > Also I browsed a side project from the author of Freevo using mplayer as a 
> > platform rather
> > than an helper... but what is actually in 2.0 ?
> 
> It was an idea but we don't use it. It could be possible.

He might be talking about MeBox.  MPlayer-as-a-platform was the initial
approach I was going to take for MeBox and I had prototyped it.  It is
viable in some ways, but looking at the bigger picture it was too
problematic.  So we will not be taking that route for Freevo (nor will I
be taking that route for MeBox, should I ever actually write it :))

Jason.


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Re: [Freevo-users] Freevo 2.0 features

2007-03-16 Thread Dirk Meyer
Nicolas Souchu wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Would you be kind to point me some URL detailing (new) features of
> Freevo *2.0* ? Did I completly missed something from the wiki ?

The real new feature of 2.0 is a complete rewrite of the core. There
are close to no new features compared to teh current 1.7 release. But
2.0 will make a new set of features possible.

> I read some interview on 
> http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/01/27/freevo.html
> Also I browsed a side project from the author of Freevo using mplayer as a 
> platform rather
> than an helper... but what is actually in 2.0 ?

It was an idea but we don't use it. It could be possible.


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[Freevo-users] Freevo 2.0 features

2007-03-10 Thread Nicolas Souchu
Hello all,

Would you be kind to point me some URL detailing (new) features of Freevo *2.0* 
? Did I completly missed something from the wiki ?

I read some interview on 
http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/01/27/freevo.html
Also I browsed a side project from the author of Freevo using mplayer as a 
platform rather
than an helper... but what is actually in 2.0 ?

Thanks in advance.
Nicolas

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