Re: [Freevo-users] The breathing hard disk light

2005-04-11 Thread Chris Ellis




Karl Lattimer wrote:

  After sitting, almost transfixed on my mac's sleep light as it slowly rises
and falls a little college electronics returned to me.

   ^^ HD LED
  |---||+
HD+ o--[ R ]--+ c|-+
  |---|(-+ |
HD- o--+


Now I'm pretty sure this is right, off the top of my head, and would relieve
the headache a hard disk light in a freevo can cause.

The only problem is I can't rightly remember the method of determining the
values of R and c (my notes are long gone), I'll keep looking, and update as
necessary and of course post a wiki. The thing is, what would be a good
timing? Should we try and time it so our breathing comes in time with it as
we watch a movie?

Regards
Karl,




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Sorry for the reply again but i have a better circuit. This provides a
slow fade of the led during the off period of the hdd light The large C
the slower the fade i recomend between 220 - 2200 uF the circuit is
attached

this works by when the hdd led is high (5v) then the capacitor
charges. and aslo suplys the led. when the hdd led is off the
capacitor discharges through the resistor and led.the 5v supply in the
circuit is the hdd con on the mobo

please note that with either circuit you could not get the led to flash
and fade at a sett rate ie breathing

Chris Ellis


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Re: [Freevo-users] The breathing hard disk light

2005-04-11 Thread Per Homer
Why not just unhook it :)
Karl Lattimer wrote:
After sitting, almost transfixed on my mac's sleep light as it slowly rises
and falls a little college electronics returned to me.
  ^^ HD LED
 |---||+
HD+ o--[ R ]--+ c|-+
 |---|(-+ |
HD- o--+
Now I'm pretty sure this is right, off the top of my head, and would relieve
the headache a hard disk light in a freevo can cause.
The only problem is I can't rightly remember the method of determining the
values of R and c (my notes are long gone), I'll keep looking, and update as
necessary and of course post a wiki. The thing is, what would be a good
timing? Should we try and time it so our breathing comes in time with it as
we watch a movie?
Regards
Karl,

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Re: [Freevo-users] The breathing hard disk light

2005-04-11 Thread Geert Decorte
AFAIK (my technical college time is 20 years behind me now) You need to
feed a led with a current of aproximity 15 mA (should have to look a
datasheets for this). Depending on the color of the led the tension could
be in the neighbourhood of 1.2 V

So the value of R would be

R = (UHD - 1.2)/15 mA

This are a few standard rules out of the head
better values: http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/led.htm

You have to be aware of the following: UHD is the tension measured without
charge (without led).  The value of R can be a variable of the resistance
of the power supply and the resistor you switch in serie
For this reason R = R0 + R1

This diagram would be closer to the real world

 output   ^^ HD LED
  |---||+
HD+ o--[ R0 ]--o---[R1]---+ c|-+
UHD0  UHD |---|(-+ |
HD- o--o---+


R0: circuit uncharged: no led.
UHD0: Voltage uncharged.

1) measure UHD0: uncharged
2) measure R0
For this we need one suplementary step:
R' = UHD0/15mA
We connect R' instead of the led and measure the voltage drop UHD'
So
R0 = (UHD0 -UHD')/15mA
Now we have

UHD0: The uncharged value of the led voltage
R0:   The own resistence of the power circuit
Iled: The current trough the led (15mA)

R = UHD0/Iled
R1 = R -R0

Most circuitry has already it's own resistance R0, so it is possible you
leave R1 = 0.

Afterwards you need to determine the value of C

As Chris Ellis pointed out: T = 2pi.rc or as most engineers use to
calculate 6,25RC

So the value of C must be much greater the the time in seconds it flickers

C  T/(6.25R)




 Karl Lattimer wrote:

After sitting, almost transfixed on my mac's sleep light as it slowly
 rises
and falls a little college electronics returned to me.

   ^^ HD LED
  |---||+
HD+ o--[ R ]--+ c|-+
  |---|(-+ |
HD- o--+


Now I'm pretty sure this is right, off the top of my head, and would
 relieve
the headache a hard disk light in a freevo can cause.

The only problem is I can't rightly remember the method of determining
 the
values of R and c (my notes are long gone), I'll keep looking, and update
 as
necessary and of course post a wiki. The thing is, what would be a good
timing? Should we try and time it so our breathing comes in time with it
 as
we watch a movie?

Regards
Karl,




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 sorry for the second reply,  I also should introduce myself a bit, i'am
 currenlt studding for a-levels and will be going to uni to studdy
 electronic engineering so are quite ok at electronics.  I have put the
 circuit through so circuit modellign software I have and it did not seem
 to work.  (this is not a 1005 accurate but i will also construct to have
 a look,  it is an excellent IDEA.  I think what we may need is a RC
 filter.


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Re: [Freevo-users] The breathing hard disk light

2005-04-11 Thread Chris Ellis
Karl Lattimer wrote:
After sitting, almost transfixed on my mac's sleep light as it slowly rises
and falls a little college electronics returned to me.
  ^^ HD LED
 |---||+
HD+ o--[ R ]--+ c|-+
 |---|(-+ |
HD- o--+
Now I'm pretty sure this is right, off the top of my head, and would relieve
the headache a hard disk light in a freevo can cause.
The only problem is I can't rightly remember the method of determining the
values of R and c (my notes are long gone), I'll keep looking, and update as
necessary and of course post a wiki. The thing is, what would be a good
timing? Should we try and time it so our breathing comes in time with it as
we watch a movie?
Regards
Karl,

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Sorry for the reply again but i have the circuit working, ove a 9v 
battery but should work no probs off hdd light no mobo,  R is 680 ohms 
and c is 2200 microfarads or 1000 microfarads depending on legth of 
fade.  the high C the longer the fade

Chris Ellis

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Re: [Freevo-users] The breathing hard disk light

2005-04-11 Thread Chris Ellis
Geert Decorte wrote:
AFAIK (my technical college time is 20 years behind me now) You need to
feed a led with a current of aproximity 15 mA (should have to look a
datasheets for this). Depending on the color of the led the tension could
be in the neighbourhood of 1.2 V
So the value of R would be
R = (UHD - 1.2)/15 mA
This are a few standard rules out of the head
better values: http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/led.htm
You have to be aware of the following: UHD is the tension measured without
charge (without led).  The value of R can be a variable of the resistance
of the power supply and the resistor you switch in serie
For this reason R = R0 + R1
This diagram would be closer to the real world
output   ^^ HD LED
 |---||+
   HD+ o--[ R0 ]--o---[R1]---+ c|-+
UHD0  UHD |---|(-+ |
   HD- o--o---+
R0: circuit uncharged: no led.
UHD0: Voltage uncharged.
1) measure UHD0: uncharged
2) measure R0
For this we need one suplementary step:
R' = UHD0/15mA
We connect R' instead of the led and measure the voltage drop UHD'
So
R0 = (UHD0 -UHD')/15mA
Now we have
UHD0: The uncharged value of the led voltage
R0:   The own resistence of the power circuit
Iled: The current trough the led (15mA)
R = UHD0/Iled
R1 = R -R0
Most circuitry has already it's own resistance R0, so it is possible you
leave R1 = 0.
Afterwards you need to determine the value of C
As Chris Ellis pointed out: T = 2pi.rc or as most engineers use to
calculate 6,25RC
So the value of C must be much greater the the time in seconds it flickers
C  T/(6.25R)

 

Karl Lattimer wrote:
   

After sitting, almost transfixed on my mac's sleep light as it slowly
rises
and falls a little college electronics returned to me.
 ^^ HD LED
|---||+
HD+ o--[ R ]--+ c|-+
|---|(-+ |
HD- o--+
Now I'm pretty sure this is right, off the top of my head, and would
relieve
the headache a hard disk light in a freevo can cause.
The only problem is I can't rightly remember the method of determining
the
values of R and c (my notes are long gone), I'll keep looking, and update
as
necessary and of course post a wiki. The thing is, what would be a good
timing? Should we try and time it so our breathing comes in time with it
as
we watch a movie?
Regards
Karl,

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sorry for the second reply,  I also should introduce myself a bit, i'am
currenlt studding for a-levels and will be going to uni to studdy
electronic engineering so are quite ok at electronics.  I have put the
circuit through so circuit modellign software I have and it did not seem
to work.  (this is not a 1005 accurate but i will also construct to have
a look,  it is an excellent IDEA.  I think what we may need is a RC
filter.
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I must point out that T = RC not 2pi RC 2pi is used in the capacitor 
reactance formular but not in the timne perioc for a RC circuits

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Re: [Freevo-users] The breathing hard disk light

2005-04-11 Thread Karl Lattimer
Is this a final breathing LED circuit? and i'll build it ;) Has 
aggreement been reached?

Homage to apple, such a simple circuit, such simple idea's such ground 
breaking effects

K,
Chris Ellis wrote:
Geert Decorte wrote:
AFAIK (my technical college time is 20 years behind me now) You need to
feed a led with a current of aproximity 15 mA (should have to look a
datasheets for this). Depending on the color of the led the tension 
could
be in the neighbourhood of 1.2 V

So the value of R would be
R = (UHD - 1.2)/15 mA
This are a few standard rules out of the head
better values: http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/led.htm
You have to be aware of the following: UHD is the tension measured 
without
charge (without led).  The value of R can be a variable of the 
resistance
of the power supply and the resistor you switch in serie
For this reason R = R0 + R1

This diagram would be closer to the real world
output   ^^ HD LED
 |---||+
   HD+ o--[ R0 ]--o---[R1]---+ c|-+
UHD0  UHD |---|(-+ |
   HD- o--o---+
R0: circuit uncharged: no led.
UHD0: Voltage uncharged.
1) measure UHD0: uncharged
2) measure R0
For this we need one suplementary step:
R' = UHD0/15mA
We connect R' instead of the led and measure the voltage drop UHD'
So
R0 = (UHD0 -UHD')/15mA
Now we have
UHD0: The uncharged value of the led voltage
R0:   The own resistence of the power circuit
Iled: The current trough the led (15mA)
R = UHD0/Iled
R1 = R -R0
Most circuitry has already it's own resistance R0, so it is possible you
leave R1 = 0.
Afterwards you need to determine the value of C
As Chris Ellis pointed out: T = 2pi.rc or as most engineers use to
calculate 6,25RC
So the value of C must be much greater the the time in seconds it 
flickers

C  T/(6.25R)

 

Karl Lattimer wrote:
  

After sitting, almost transfixed on my mac's sleep light as it slowly
rises
and falls a little college electronics returned to me.
 ^^ HD LED
|---||+
HD+ o--[ R ]--+ c|-+
|---|(-+ |
HD- o--+
Now I'm pretty sure this is right, off the top of my head, and would
relieve
the headache a hard disk light in a freevo can cause.
The only problem is I can't rightly remember the method of determining
the
values of R and c (my notes are long gone), I'll keep looking, and 
update
as
necessary and of course post a wiki. The thing is, what would be a 
good
timing? Should we try and time it so our breathing comes in time 
with it
as
we watch a movie?

Regards
Karl,

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sorry for the second reply,  I also should introduce myself a bit, i'am
currenlt studding for a-levels and will be going to uni to studdy
electronic engineering so are quite ok at electronics.  I have put the
circuit through so circuit modellign software I have and it did not 
seem
to work.  (this is not a 1005 accurate but i will also construct to 
have
a look,  it is an excellent IDEA.  I think what we may need is a RC
filter.

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Re: [Freevo-users] The breathing hard disk light

2005-04-11 Thread Karl Lattimer
One question about the below circuit, how does the slow charge of the 
cap happen, the orignal point of putting the resistor before the cap was 
to have a slow increase and a slow decrease through the LED draining the 
power.

if the cap has no resistance then won't it reach almost full charge of 
the cap instantly?

Atleast thats what i think i was taught in college?
Karl,
Chris Ellis wrote:
Karl Lattimer wrote:
After sitting, almost transfixed on my mac's sleep light as it slowly rises
and falls a little college electronics returned to me.
  ^^ HD LED
 |---||+
HD+ o--[ R ]--+ c|-+
 |---|(-+ |
HD- o--+
Now I'm pretty sure this is right, off the top of my head, and would relieve
the headache a hard disk light in a freevo can cause.
The only problem is I can't rightly remember the method of determining the
values of R and c (my notes are long gone), I'll keep looking, and update as
necessary and of course post a wiki. The thing is, what would be a good
timing? Should we try and time it so our breathing comes in time with it as
we watch a movie?
Regards
Karl,

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Sorry for the reply again but i have a better circuit.  This provides 
a slow fade of the led during the off period of the hdd light The 
large C the slower the fade i recomend between 220 - 2200 uF the 
circuit is attached
circuit
this works by when the hdd led is high (5v) then the capacitor 
charges.  and aslo suplys the led.  when the hdd led is off the 
capacitor discharges through the resistor and led.the 5v supply in the 
circuit is the hdd con on the mobo

please note that with either circuit you could not get the led to 
flash and fade at a sett rate ie breathing

Chris Ellis


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Re: [Freevo-users] The breathing hard disk light

2005-04-11 Thread Chris Ellis




Karl Lattimer wrote:
Is this a
final breathing LED circuit? and i'll build it ;) Has aggreement been
reached?
  
  
Homage to apple, such a simple circuit, such simple idea's such ground
breaking effects
  
  
K,
  
  
Chris Ellis wrote:
  
  
  Geert Decorte wrote:


AFAIK (my technical college time is 20
years behind me now) You need to
  
feed a led with a current of aproximity 15 mA (should have to look a
  
datasheets for this). Depending on the color of the led the tension
could
  
be in the neighbourhood of 1.2 V
  
  
So the value of R would be
  
  
R = (UHD - 1.2)/15 mA
  
  
This are a few standard rules out of the head
  
better values: http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/led.htm
  
  
You have to be aware of the following: UHD is the tension measured
without
  
charge (without led). The value of R can be a variable of the
resistance
  
of the power supply and the resistor you switch in serie
  
For this reason R = R0 + R1
  
  
This diagram would be closer to the real world
  
  
 output ^^ HD LED
  
 |---||+
  
 HD+ o--[ R0 ]--o---[R1]---+ c |-+
  
UHD0 UHD |---|(-+ |
  
 HD- o--o---+
  
  
  
R0: circuit uncharged: no led.
  
UHD0: Voltage uncharged.
  
  
1) measure UHD0: uncharged
  
2) measure R0
  
For this we need one suplementary step:
  
R' = UHD0/15mA
  
We connect R' instead of the led and measure the voltage drop UHD'
  
So
  
R0 = (UHD0 -UHD')/15mA
  
Now we have
  
  
UHD0: The uncharged value of the led voltage
  
R0: The own resistence of the power circuit
  
Iled: The current trough the led (15mA)
  
  
R = UHD0/Iled
  
R1 = R -R0
  
  
Most circuitry has already it's own resistance R0, so it is possible
you
  
leave R1 = 0.
  
  
Afterwards you need to determine the value of C
  
  
As Chris Ellis pointed out: T = 2pi.rc or as most engineers use to
  
calculate 6,25RC
  
  
So the value of C must be much greater the the time in seconds it
flickers
  
  
C  T/(6.25R)
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Karl Lattimer wrote:


 
After sitting, almost transfixed on my
mac's sleep light as it slowly
  
rises
  
and falls a little college electronics returned to me.
  
  
 ^^ HD LED
  
 |---||+
  
HD+ o--[ R ]--+ c |-+
  
 |---|(-+ |
  
HD- o--+
  
  
  
Now I'm pretty sure this is right, off the top of my head, and would
  
relieve
  
the headache a hard disk light in a freevo can cause.
  
  
The only problem is I can't rightly remember the method of determining
  
the
  
values of R and c (my notes are long gone), I'll keep looking, and
update
  
as
  
necessary and of course post a wiki. The thing is, what would be a good
  
timing? Should we try and time it so our breathing comes in time with
it
  
as
  
we watch a movie?
  
  
Regards
  
Karl,
  
  
  
  
  
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sorry for the second reply, I also should introduce myself a bit, i'am

currenlt studding for a-levels and will be going to uni to studdy

electronic engineering so are quite ok at electronics. I have put the

circuit through so circuit modellign software I have and it did not
seem

to work. (this is not a 1005 accurate but i will also construct to
have

a look, it is an excellent IDEA. I think what we may need is a RC

filter.



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Re: [Freevo-users] The breathing hard disk light

2005-04-11 Thread Eric Jorgensen
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:14:14 +0100
Karl Lattimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is this a final breathing LED circuit? and i'll build it ;) Has 
 aggreement been reached?
 
 Homage to apple, such a simple circuit, such simple idea's such ground 
 breaking effects


   My Toshiba laptop had a 'breathing LED' in it's sleep mode years before
Apple used them. 


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Re: [Freevo-users] The breathing hard disk light

2005-04-11 Thread Chris Ellis
Karl Lattimer wrote:
One question about the below circuit, how does the slow charge of the 
cap happen, the orignal point of putting the resistor before the cap 
was to have a slow increase and a slow decrease through the LED 
draining the power.

if the cap has no resistance then won't it reach almost full charge of 
the cap instantly?

Atleast thats what i think i was taught in college?
Karl,
Chris Ellis wrote:
Karl Lattimer wrote:
After sitting, almost transfixed on my mac's sleep light as it 
slowly rises
and falls a little college electronics returned to me.

  ^^ HD LED
 |---||+
HD+ o--[ R ]--+ c|-+
 |---|(-+ |
HD- o--+
Now I'm pretty sure this is right, off the top of my head, and would 
relieve
the headache a hard disk light in a freevo can cause.

The only problem is I can't rightly remember the method of 
determining the
values of R and c (my notes are long gone), I'll keep looking, and 
update as
necessary and of course post a wiki. The thing is, what would be a good
timing? Should we try and time it so our breathing comes in time 
with it as
we watch a movie?

Regards
Karl,

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Sorry for the reply again but i have a better circuit.  This provides 
a slow fade of the led during the off period of the hdd light The 
large C the slower the fade i recomend between 220 - 2200 uF the 
circuit is attached
circuit
this works by when the hdd led is high (5v) then the capacitor 
charges.  and aslo suplys the led.  when the hdd led is off the 
capacitor discharges through the resistor and led.the 5v supply in 
the circuit is the hdd con on the mobo

please note that with either circuit you could not get the led to 
flash and fade at a sett rate ie breathing

Chris Ellis


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This is difffernet to your orginal circuit.  the orginal was a RC filter 
that just lengthened the pluse fro mthe hdd led as essential it is a 
square wave.  i built it a tested it but found that it faded on but not 
off (recall from meory of yesterday lol) so i bult the other circuit 
that when the hdd light is on charges up the capacitor which then slowly 
discharges through the led when the hdd led is off.  Either circuit 
would work it just depends on how you want the led to fade / flash.  I 
did in a post post RC values for the orginal circuit i believe it was r= 
680 ohms c= 220uf remebem that r can not be to large as it will dim the 
led.  just remeber that the timer preriod RC needs to be much greater 
the the Time period of the effective square wave on the HDD led pin 
which for mine was arounf 0.5 second when in use play music etc.  but it 
you T is say 1S then you will need C =4700uf.  My other circuit did not 
use such a large capacitor which was one of the main reasons i though it 
was better as capcitor over 1000uf can be arounf  15mm - 25mm diameter

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Re: [Freevo-users] The breathing hard disk light

2005-04-11 Thread Karl Lattimer
Chris Ellis wrote:
Karl Lattimer wrote:
One question about the below circuit, how does the slow charge of the 
cap happen, the orignal point of putting the resistor before the cap 
was to have a slow increase and a slow decrease through the LED 
draining the power.

if the cap has no resistance then won't it reach almost full charge 
of the cap instantly?

Atleast thats what i think i was taught in college?
Karl,
Chris Ellis wrote:
Karl Lattimer wrote:
After sitting, almost transfixed on my mac's sleep light as it 
slowly rises
and falls a little college electronics returned to me.

  ^^ HD LED
 |---||+
HD+ o--[ R ]--+ c|-+
 |---|(-+ |
HD- o--+
Now I'm pretty sure this is right, off the top of my head, and 
would relieve
the headache a hard disk light in a freevo can cause.

The only problem is I can't rightly remember the method of 
determining the
values of R and c (my notes are long gone), I'll keep looking, and 
update as
necessary and of course post a wiki. The thing is, what would be a 
good
timing? Should we try and time it so our breathing comes in time 
with it as
we watch a movie?

Regards
Karl,

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Sorry for the reply again but i have a better circuit.  This 
provides a slow fade of the led during the off period of the hdd 
light The large C the slower the fade i recomend between 220 - 2200 
uF the circuit is attached
circuit
this works by when the hdd led is high (5v) then the capacitor 
charges.  and aslo suplys the led.  when the hdd led is off the 
capacitor discharges through the resistor and led.the 5v supply in 
the circuit is the hdd con on the mobo

please note that with either circuit you could not get the led to 
flash and fade at a sett rate ie breathing

Chris Ellis
 



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This is difffernet to your orginal circuit.  the orginal was a RC 
filter that just lengthened the pluse fro mthe hdd led as essential it 
is a square wave.  i built it a tested it but found that it faded on 
but not off (recall from meory of yesterday lol) so i bult the other 
circuit that when the hdd light is on charges up the capacitor which 
then slowly discharges through the led when the hdd led is off.  
Either circuit would work it just depends on how you want the led to 
fade / flash.  I did in a post post RC values for the orginal circuit 
i believe it was r= 680 ohms c= 220uf remebem that r can not be to 
large as it will dim the led.  just remeber that the timer preriod RC 
needs to be much greater the the Time period of the effective square 
wave on the HDD led pin which for mine was arounf 0.5 second when in 
use play music etc.  but it you T is say 1S then you will need C 
=4700uf.  My other circuit did not use such a large capacitor which 
was one of the main reasons i though it was better as capcitor over 
1000uf can be arounf  15mm - 25mm diameter

Chris Ellis
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Fair comment ;)
Are you drunk/stoned coz i'm a bit stoned and i could understand that ;) 
tpoy

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Re: [Freevo-users] The breathing hard disk light

2005-04-10 Thread Chris Ellis
Karl Lattimer wrote:
After sitting, almost transfixed on my mac's sleep light as it slowly rises
and falls a little college electronics returned to me.
  ^^ HD LED
 |---||+
HD+ o--[ R ]--+ c|-+
 |---|(-+ |
HD- o--+
Now I'm pretty sure this is right, off the top of my head, and would relieve
the headache a hard disk light in a freevo can cause.
The only problem is I can't rightly remember the method of determining the
values of R and c (my notes are long gone), I'll keep looking, and update as
necessary and of course post a wiki. The thing is, what would be a good
timing? Should we try and time it so our breathing comes in time with it as
we watch a movie?
Regards
Karl,

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the time constant for a capacitor charging through a resistor is simple 
T = RC.  T is the time it takes a capacitor discharging through a 
ressitor to reach 37% of the suppy it was charged to so in charging this 
is to 63% of the supply voltages.  To completely charge / discharge it 
is 5RC

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