Re: [FRIAM] Political tangents

[gepr]

Naa.  As the essay argues, Thiel's ilk trusts that those people are more like 
cattle. Big families keep the labor pool stocked and keep plenty of fresh blood 
available for the vampires' life-extending transfusions. There's no need for 
universal healthcare because we only need the human commodity while they're 
young (for blood or labor). To people like Thiel, old people who haven't 
established their ongoing worth to society need to be mitigated and dealt with 
as efficiently as possible.



On January 2, 2017 10:47:42 AM PST, Marcus Daniels  wrote:
>If the Affordable Care Act is repealed, then perhaps the demographics
>that tend to have big families will be afraid to have children due to
>Zika as they won't be able to afford the vaccine?   And in turn their
>voting base will collapse?   


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Re: [FRIAM] Political tangents

[Marcus Daniels]

Some that suffer from microcephaly life to be 30-35 years!  

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Naa.  As the essay argues, Thiel's ilk trusts that those people are more like 
cattle. Big families keep the labor pool stocked and keep plenty of fresh blood 
available for the vampires' life-extending transfusions. There's no need for 
universal healthcare because we only need the human commodity while they're 
young (for blood or labor). To people like Thiel, old people who haven't 
established their ongoing worth to society need to be mitigated and dealt with 
as efficiently as possible.



On January 2, 2017 10:47:42 AM PST, Marcus Daniels  wrote:
>If the Affordable Care Act is repealed, then perhaps the demographics 
>that tend to have big families will be afraid to have children due to
>Zika as they won't be able to afford the vaccine?   And in turn their
>voting base will collapse?   


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Re: [FRIAM] What should we do?

[David Eric Smith]

Marcus writes: 

> I think #18 and #19 are pretty dark for most folks to consider so far, but 
> I’m glad there are professors that aren’t sugar-coating it.

I certainly agree with the last clause (as with all you wrote before it).  The 
thing is that, short of death, the legal and criminal apparatus of the US 
provides almost unlimited means of harassment that may be worse than death, in 
that they can consume all resources of time and effort by an individual to 
fight them.

The early stages of this make me think of cancers.  The reason they are so 
difficult to deal with is that, for the most part, the cell populations are not 
completely disintegrated and non-functional.  Most of their systems still 
function very robustly, which seems to be the cause of different cancers' 
seemingly producing quite robust phenotypes, even after the putative triggering 
problem has been knocked out.  Those systems have just been re-directed by 
control signals of the wrong kind. 

A state in which the mechanics of the institutions is still quite functional, 
but its command and control has been hijacked, seems to be the problem we are 
likely to have to deal with in the next stages.  Snyder's question can start 
with which people have the courage to stand in the line of fire if it costs 
them everything they had tried to build to live, and leaves them still alive.  

I wish there were still many Indians alive who had experienced living through 
the (Mohandas) Gandhi years.  What was it like to coordinate hundreds of 
millions of people so that, when the institutions were getting unwanted control 
signals, they could, in a widely distributed fashion, function much worse or 
not at all.

Eric


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Re: [FRIAM] Political tangents

[glen ☣]

Well, again, the Thiel-as-vampire metaphor would argue that it's not in the 
best interests of the libertarians to grow a herd of people completely unable 
to take care of themselves.  If the cattle is too dependent, then they'd be 
forced to admit that they need universal healthcare in order to maintain the 
herd.  (Of course, as we see with industrial farms, that can go horribly wrong 
... but the Thiels don't care anymore about their herd than the industrial 
ranchers care about theirs.  So, the analogy still holds.)  It benefits the 
vampires to cultivate a herd with the patina of "self governance".  That way 
they can tell the unfortunate members of the herd that their suffering is their 
own fault.  Work harder.  Be a better cow.


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> Some that suffer from microcephaly life to be 30-35 years!  

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Re: [FRIAM] Political tangents

[Marcus Daniels]

As a technologist, I object to the crudeness of the strategy.  If the blood 
thing really works, figure out why and engineer an resource efficient 
alternative treatment.   All these cows unnecessarily adding methane to the 
atmosphere can't be good; it certainly isn't an elegant solution.   At least 
send them to Mars to help form a temporary atmosphere.   And why have a patina 
of "self-governance" when robotics are an option?   Overall, what do the they 
hope to accomplish here?   It all seems poorly motivated!  Boring, even.   Why 
can't they self-regulate and fall into a normal sort of depression like the 
rest of us?   

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Well, again, the Thiel-as-vampire metaphor would argue that it's not in the 
best interests of the libertarians to grow a herd of people completely unable 
to take care of themselves.  If the cattle is too dependent, then they'd be 
forced to admit that they need universal healthcare in order to maintain the 
herd.  (Of course, as we see with industrial farms, that can go horribly wrong 
... but the Thiels don't care anymore about their herd than the industrial 
ranchers care about theirs.  So, the analogy still holds.)  It benefits the 
vampires to cultivate a herd with the patina of "self governance".  That way 
they can tell the unfortunate members of the herd that their suffering is their 
own fault.  Work harder.  Be a better cow.


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> Some that suffer from microcephaly life to be 30-35 years!  

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Re: [FRIAM] Political tangents

[glen ☣]

The obvious answer is that the Thiels know they need fresh _minds_ as well as 
fresh blood, at least for now.  And this is more than simply growing 
disrupter-smart cows who will ascend to full humanity in their ranks.  They 
need a delicate balance of suggestibility and intelligence ... cows who will, 
when they ascend, adopt the appropriate ideology that will help them seastead, 
colonize mars, extend lives (of their ranks, not the herd, of course), build 
and populate cyberspace, etc.  They don't want just any old intellectuals, 
artists, or artisans, brilliant as they may be.  Scott Aaronson is a good 
candidate, for example.  Although he (publicly) rejects Thiel's endorsement of 
Trump and kinda-sorta talks like a liberal, he's enough of a linear thinker to 
separate political-Thiel from tech-disrupter-Thiel and defend that linearity.  
And Scott's willingness to (publicly) express good will toward things like 
feminism, yet adopt a soft fighting style when SJWs attack him for implicit 
misogyny.   Sam Harris is another good candidate.

The Thiels want to grow more Aaronsons and Harris'.  And you can't (yet) do 
that with herds of robots.

On 01/03/2017 09:35 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> As a technologist, I object to the crudeness of the strategy.  If the blood 
> thing really works, figure out why and engineer an resource efficient 
> alternative treatment.   All these cows unnecessarily adding methane to the 
> atmosphere can't be good; it certainly isn't an elegant solution.   At least 
> send them to Mars to help form a temporary atmosphere.   And why have a 
> patina of "self-governance" when robotics are an option?   Overall, what do 
> the they hope to accomplish here?   It all seems poorly motivated!  Boring, 
> even.   Why can't they self-regulate and fall into a normal sort of 
> depression like the rest of us?   


-- 
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Re: [FRIAM] What should we do?

[Marcus Daniels]

Eric writes:

"I wish there were still many Indians alive who had experienced living through 
the (Mohandas) Gandhi years.  What was it like to coordinate hundreds of 
millions of people so that, when the institutions were getting unwanted control 
signals, they could, in a widely distributed fashion, function much worse or 
not at all."

Realistically, it is probably more like a couple million until the expected 
symptoms of the cancer really start to be evident.   But that's a big number 
and it's a sophisticated part of the population.   As Nick remarked (as did 
Glen farther back), while disruptive, it is not impossible (maybe even 
"exciting") to imagine changing one's life in significant ways to adapt.  A way 
to recover purpose in life and work.  Another troubling part is that careerism 
creates a lot of momentum and there would be ongoing defections.  On the other 
hand, the bi-coastal folks that are engaged in the `new' economy may have fewer 
attachments (like heavily mortgaged homes or kids in school), and might be more 
aggressive.

Marcus


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Re: [FRIAM] Political tangents

[Marcus Daniels]

I was following you with the blood, but if they need fresh minds and, due to 
their sabotage of the health care act, they get widespread microcephaly (say) 
from their pool of baby makers, then that's a problem, no?  Likewise if the 
time and resources aren't given for education.It seems like these agents 
will be more on the smart cow side than the smart human side.  Maybe they can 
pull a plow.  I still don't get what this ideology is other than a predilection 
for megalomania and tribalism.  Why are these short lifespan small-cranium 
folks the cool kids?   It's much more inspiring to me to hear Jerry Brown say, 
"We'll launch our own damned climate satellites." or hear a ridiculous 
performance of the free software song. 

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The obvious answer is that the Thiels know they need fresh _minds_ as well as 
fresh blood, at least for now.  And this is more than simply growing 
disrupter-smart cows who will ascend to full humanity in their ranks.  They 
need a delicate balance of suggestibility and intelligence ... cows who will, 
when they ascend, adopt the appropriate ideology that will help them seastead, 
colonize mars, extend lives (of their ranks, not the herd, of course), build 
and populate cyberspace, etc.  They don't want just any old intellectuals, 
artists, or artisans, brilliant as they may be.  Scott Aaronson is a good 
candidate, for example.  Although he (publicly) rejects Thiel's endorsement of 
Trump and kinda-sorta talks like a liberal, he's enough of a linear thinker to 
separate political-Thiel from tech-disrupter-Thiel and defend that linearity.  
And Scott's willingness to (publicly) express good will toward things like 
feminism, yet adopt a soft fighting style when SJWs attack him for implicit 
misogyny.   Sam Harris is another good candidate.

The Thiels want to grow more Aaronsons and Harris'.  And you can't (yet) do 
that with herds of robots.

On 01/03/2017 09:35 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> As a technologist, I object to the crudeness of the strategy.  If the blood 
> thing really works, figure out why and engineer an resource efficient 
> alternative treatment.   All these cows unnecessarily adding methane to the 
> atmosphere can't be good; it certainly isn't an elegant solution.   At least 
> send them to Mars to help form a temporary atmosphere.   And why have a 
> patina of "self-governance" when robotics are an option?   Overall, what do 
> the they hope to accomplish here?   It all seems poorly motivated!  Boring, 
> even.   Why can't they self-regulate and fall into a normal sort of 
> depression like the rest of us?   


--
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Re: [FRIAM] Political tangents

[glen ☣]

Well, the cow<->Thielian boundary is ephemeral.  2 cows can reproduce to make a 
Thielian.  Thielian production is chaotic and polyphenic.  And that's likely to 
continue despite any widespread but non-catastrophic problem with the cattle 
population.  The Thielian epistocracy will need some threshold number of cattle 
in order to maintain a healthy rate of cow->Thielian production.  Likewise, 
they only need to educate a small subset of the cattle to maintain that 
cow->Thielian production.  We've got that infrastructure in place with high 
prestige, high competition, high cost schools like Stanford and the ivy 
leagues.  If we can make vouchers and charter schools ubiquitous, then we can 
hone the cow->Thielian production mechanism even further.

The ideology is packaged for the cattle as maximizing freedom (both positive -- 
free to make a sandwich -- and negative -- won't be punched in the face today). 
 But it's actually a crypto-epistocracy ... or perhaps crypto-oligarchy if you 
include the entire sensori-motor complex (not just the mind) in the predicate 
for inclusion.  The ideology is basically to raise the bar very high so that 
only the best cows can become Thielians.  And shape the bar so that only 
Thielian-shaped cows can breach it.

Once you're categorized as a Thielian, then you are free.  Until then, your 
fate is fragile.

The interesting questions for the vampire metaphor involve the caste system for 
the cattle.  Horror and sci-fi have thouroughly explored the Renfield and Igor 
tropes, as well as the characters who ingraciate themselves (by letting them 
feed) in the hopes a charitable Thielian will make them immortal one day.  And, 
of course, there's the classic Eloi-Morlock conception, wherein the Thielians 
are "born on 3rd base and think they hit a triple".  cf. Thiel's comment 
: 
"Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of 
the franchise to women — ... — have rendered the notion of 'capitalist 
democracy' into an oxymoron."


On 01/03/2017 10:25 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> I was following you with the blood, but if they need fresh minds and, due to 
> their sabotage of the health care act, they get widespread microcephaly (say) 
> from their pool of baby makers, then that's a problem, no?  Likewise if the 
> time and resources aren't given for education.It seems like these agents 
> will be more on the smart cow side than the smart human side.  Maybe they can 
> pull a plow.  I still don't get what this ideology is other than a 
> predilection for megalomania and tribalism.  Why are these short lifespan 
> small-cranium folks the cool kids?   It's much more inspiring to me to hear 
> Jerry Brown say, "We'll launch our own damned climate satellites." or hear a 
> ridiculous performance of the free software song. 

-- 
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Re: [FRIAM] Political tangents

[Marcus Daniels]

 "[..] our education culminates with the knowledge that the broader education 
of the body politic has become a fool’s errand.".  

It is a plausible claim and he helped evidence it by supporting Trump.  But if 
the body politic does nothing informed or intelligent, then I would guess their 
economic activity is also unmotivated and without merit.   Why is slogging 
around in blood (money) better than slogging around in muck (power)?   Just 
different kinds of social activity and all of them without much intellectual 
merit.  He's rich, he can easily delegate this tiresome interfacing to his 
lawyers.   What does he really want?

Marcus
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Well, the cow<->Thielian boundary is ephemeral.  2 cows can reproduce to make a 
Thielian.  Thielian production is chaotic and polyphenic.  And that's likely to 
continue despite any widespread but non-catastrophic problem with the cattle 
population.  The Thielian epistocracy will need some threshold number of cattle 
in order to maintain a healthy rate of cow->Thielian production.  Likewise, 
they only need to educate a small subset of the cattle to maintain that 
cow->Thielian production.  We've got that infrastructure in place with high 
prestige, high competition, high cost schools like Stanford and the ivy 
leagues.  If we can make vouchers and charter schools ubiquitous, then we can 
hone the cow->Thielian production mechanism even further.

The ideology is packaged for the cattle as maximizing freedom (both positive -- 
free to make a sandwich -- and negative -- won't be punched in the face today). 
 But it's actually a crypto-epistocracy ... or perhaps crypto-oligarchy if you 
include the entire sensori-motor complex (not just the mind) in the predicate 
for inclusion.  The ideology is basically to raise the bar very high so that 
only the best cows can become Thielians.  And shape the bar so that only 
Thielian-shaped cows can breach it.

Once you're categorized as a Thielian, then you are free.  Until then, your 
fate is fragile.

The interesting questions for the vampire metaphor involve the caste system for 
the cattle.  Horror and sci-fi have thouroughly explored the Renfield and Igor 
tropes, as well as the characters who ingraciate themselves (by letting them 
feed) in the hopes a charitable Thielian will make them immortal one day.  And, 
of course, there's the classic Eloi-Morlock conception, wherein the Thielians 
are "born on 3rd base and think they hit a triple".  cf. Thiel's comment 
: 
"Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of 
the franchise to women — ... — have rendered the notion of 'capitalist 
democracy' into an oxymoron."


On 01/03/2017 10:25 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> I was following you with the blood, but if they need fresh minds and, due to 
> their sabotage of the health care act, they get widespread microcephaly (say) 
> from their pool of baby makers, then that's a problem, no?  Likewise if the 
> time and resources aren't given for education.It seems like these agents 
> will be more on the smart cow side than the smart human side.  Maybe they can 
> pull a plow.  I still don't get what this ideology is other than a 
> predilection for megalomania and tribalism.  Why are these short lifespan 
> small-cranium folks the cool kids?   It's much more inspiring to me to hear 
> Jerry Brown say, "We'll launch our own damned climate satellites." or hear a 
> ridiculous performance of the free software song. 

--
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Re: [FRIAM] Political tangents

[glen ☣]

I don't know.  I don't care about him or what he wants/thinks.  To some extent, 
he's part of our tribe and in that sense, we have an obligation to either own 
the repercussions of his actions/statements _or_ rebuke him and police our 
tribe.  But other than that, he's a silly person and I just don't care what he 
wants.

But I do like Gittlitz' essay and the vampire metaphor.  It reminded me of 
Michael Moorcock's character Jerry Cornelius.

On 01/03/2017 01:16 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> It is a plausible claim and he helped evidence it by supporting Trump.  But 
> if the body politic does nothing informed or intelligent, then I would guess 
> their economic activity is also unmotivated and without merit.   Why is 
> slogging around in blood (money) better than slogging around in muck (power)? 
>   Just different kinds of social activity and all of them without much 
> intellectual merit.  He's rich, he can easily delegate this tiresome 
> interfacing to his lawyers.   What does he really want?

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[FRIAM] scraping a web site

[Nick Thompson]

Dear Phellow Phriammers, 

 

I am in the uncomfortable position of being bound by threads of steel to
Earthlink.  Many, MANY, years I go I started a website on Earthlink,
{http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

}, and put a lot of my writing, and some commentary up on it.  The website
creation and editing medium (trellix) was pretty good for its time, and
there are many ways that I find the site quite satisfying.  But gradually
Earthlink has withdrawn its support, and now I am not sure I could get in to
edit or change it.  Meantime, Research Gate has gotten started, and provides
a somewhat better place to meet the world and archive my stuff.  And also,
having the site on earthlink binds me to them and their 22 dollar a month
fee.  So. . 

 

I am wondering if there is a way (or a service that would) scrape the
website and, possibly, dump it into a new and more reliable, more website
creation medium?  Please, ambulatory knowledge only.  I don't want a people
doing deep searches to answer this  question .  

 

Thanks, as always .

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 


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Re: [FRIAM] scraping a web site

[Tom Johnson]

Nick;
You might try installing Firefox, if you don't already use it, and go here
to add-on DownThemAll.  I recall that you can set how many layers deep you
want to go.  Of course if you get ALL your content you will have to figure
out where and how you want to repost it.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/downthemall/

Tom

On Jan 4, 2017 12:50 PM, "Nick Thompson"  wrote:

> Dear Phellow Phriammers,
>
>
>
> I am in the uncomfortable position of being bound by threads of steel to
> Earthlink.  Many, MANY, years I go I started a website on Earthlink, {
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
> }, and put a lot of my writing, and some commentary up on it.  The website
> creation and editing medium (trellix) was pretty good for its time, and
> there are many ways that I find the site quite satisfying.  But gradually
> Earthlink has withdrawn its support, and now I am not sure I could get in
> to edit or change it.  Meantime, Research Gate has gotten started, and
> provides a somewhat better place to meet the world and archive my stuff.
> And also, having the site on earthlink binds me to them and their 22 dollar
> a month fee.  So. …
>
>
>
> I am wondering if there is a way (or a service that would) scrape the
> website and, possibly, dump it into a new and more reliable, more website
> creation medium?  Please, ambulatory knowledge only.  I don’t want a people
> doing deep searches to answer this  question .
>
>
>
> Thanks, as always .
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] scraping a web site

[Marcus Daniels]

Once you’ve got all the files (like below) Microsoft Word can import HTML 
files.   Editors designed to HTML editing (e.g. Kompozer) will often have a 
“Open from web” option such that you can just type the URL.   If you really 
want systematic scraping, look at libraries like Beautifulsoup (Python based), 
but that will involve some programming.

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:39 PM
To: Friam@redfish. com 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] scraping a web site

Nick;
You might try installing Firefox, if you don't already use it, and go here to 
add-on DownThemAll.  I recall that you can set how many layers deep you want to 
go.  Of course if you get ALL your content you will have to figure out where 
and how you want to repost it.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/downthemall/

Tom

On Jan 4, 2017 12:50 PM, "Nick Thompson" 
mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
Dear Phellow Phriammers,

I am in the uncomfortable position of being bound by threads of steel to 
Earthlink.  Many, MANY, years I go I started a website on Earthlink, 
{http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
}, and put a lot of my writing, and some commentary up on it.  The website 
creation and editing medium (trellix) was pretty good for its time, and there 
are many ways that I find the site quite satisfying.  But gradually Earthlink 
has withdrawn its support, and now I am not sure I could get in to edit or 
change it.  Meantime, Research Gate has gotten started, and provides a somewhat 
better place to meet the world and archive my stuff.  And also, having the site 
on earthlink binds me to them and their 22 dollar a month fee.  So. …

I am wondering if there is a way (or a service that would) scrape the website 
and, possibly, dump it into a new and more reliable, more website creation 
medium?  Please, ambulatory knowledge only.  I don’t want a people doing deep 
searches to answer this  question .

Thanks, as always .

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/



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Re: [FRIAM] scraping a web site

[Robert J. Cordingley]

Hi Nick

Your old Earthlink site seems to comprise just about ten 'pages' of 
content, with many of those pages (Published Works) listing many 
bibliographic citations, each with a link to an image and further link 
to a pdf document. Grabbing all the content manually is perhaps tedious 
but doable. Saving all the pages as HTML is also doable but don't see a 
lot of point in that. Populating your Research Gate website should be 
possible too with in browser Copy and Paste - but I'm not familiar with 
RG - as should any other website builder, Wix, Squarespace, WordPress as 
well as hosting company  website builders. I don't know of an automated 
system but the Internet Archive must have something and already has 
multiple captures of past versions of your site - see 
https://web.archive.org/web/20151206005021/http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/. 



I think what you're really looking for is a web/content migration tool 
more so than web scraping tools which tend to be focused on capturing 
specific data, say contact information. Vamosa seems to offer a service 
that should do exactly what you want, see 
http://www.vamosa.com/vamosa-content-migrator-c124 but suspect that's 
aimed at large corporate clients. I have no experience with them. 
Googling 'website migration tools' produces lots of results - some 
questionable.


Hope this helps.

Thanks, Robert


On 1/3/17 9:49 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:


Dear Phellow Phriammers,

I am in the uncomfortable position of being bound by threads of steel 
to Earthlink.  Many, MANY, years I go I started a website on 
Earthlink, {http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 



}, and put a lot of my writing, and some commentary up on it.  The 
website creation and editing medium (trellix) was pretty good for its 
time, and there are many ways that I find the site quite satisfying.  
But gradually Earthlink has withdrawn its support, and now I am not 
sure I could get in to edit or change it.  Meantime, Research Gate has 
gotten started, and provides a somewhat better place to meet the world 
and archive my stuff.  And also, having the site on earthlink binds me 
to them and their 22 dollar a month fee.  So. …


I am wondering if there is a way (or a service that would) scrape the 
website and, possibly, dump it into a new and more reliable, more 
website creation medium? Please, ambulatory knowledge only.  I don’t 
want a people doing deep searches to answer this  question .


Thanks, as always .

Nick

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 






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Re: [FRIAM] scraping a web site

[Nick Thompson]

Dear Robert, Tom, and Marcus, 

 

I am not sure how I would survive in this complicated world without this
ability to ask a quick question of friam and get a quick answer.  The
problem I so often face is WHAT QUESTION to ask the web, when I plunge into
it.  I had gotten seduced by the dramatic metaphor of "scrape"; indeed,
"migration" is a lot closer to what I am looking for.  These tips will help
a lot and I will investigate them.  

 

Your mention of a web archive brought to mind another thought.  Years ago, I
did up a website for the "City University of Santa Fe" which I thought was
pretty nifty.  However, I was the only one who thought it was nifty, so in
time even I lost interest.  And then I forgot to pay my fee to the hosting
service, and they forgot to remind me, and I lost the site's url to some
outfit in Indiana.  I assumed I had lost the data too, but your email
suggests the possibility that it still lives some where.  

 

Many, many thanks. 

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Robert J.
Cordingley
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:00 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] scraping a web site

 

Hi Nick

Your old Earthlink site seems to comprise just about ten 'pages' of content,
with many of those pages (Published Works) listing many bibliographic
citations, each with a link to an image and further link to a pdf document.
Grabbing all the content manually is perhaps tedious but doable. Saving all
the pages as HTML is also doable but don't see a lot of point in that.
Populating your Research Gate website should be possible too with in browser
Copy and Paste - but I'm not familiar with RG - as should any other website
builder, Wix, Squarespace, WordPress as well as hosting company  website
builders. I don't know of an automated system but the Internet Archive must
have something and already has multiple captures of past versions of your
site - see
https://web.archive.org/web/20151206005021/http://home.earthlink.net/~nickth
ompson/naturaldesigns/
 . 

I think what you're really looking for is a web/content migration tool more
so than web scraping tools which tend to be focused on capturing specific
data, say contact information. Vamosa seems to offer a service that should
do exactly what you want, see
http://www.vamosa.com/vamosa-content-migrator-c124 but suspect that's aimed
at large corporate clients. I have no experience with them. Googling
'website migration tools' produces lots of results - some questionable.

Hope this helps.

Thanks, Robert

 

On 1/3/17 9:49 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:

Dear Phellow Phriammers, 

 

I am in the uncomfortable position of being bound by threads of steel to
Earthlink.  Many, MANY, years I go I started a website on Earthlink,
{http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
 

}, and put a lot of my writing, and some commentary up on it.  The website
creation and editing medium (trellix) was pretty good for its time, and
there are many ways that I find the site quite satisfying.  But gradually
Earthlink has withdrawn its support, and now I am not sure I could get in to
edit or change it.  Meantime, Research Gate has gotten started, and provides
a somewhat better place to meet the world and archive my stuff.  And also,
having the site on earthlink binds me to them and their 22 dollar a month
fee.  So. . 

 

I am wondering if there is a way (or a service that would) scrape the
website and, possibly, dump it into a new and more reliable, more website
creation medium?  Please, ambulatory knowledge only.  I don't want a people
doing deep searches to answer this  question .  

 

Thanks, as always .

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
 

 







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281-989-6272 (cell)
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