Re: [FRIAM] now it all makes sense
Ha! You win that round hands down. On June 16, 2017 11:56:13 AM PDT, Marcus Daniels wrote: >Glen writes: > >"The authentically intelligent and well intentioned become tools for >the gamers/defectors. In the end, it's that _faith_ in human nature, >social or evolutionary progress, or whatever that allows them to be >used that way." > >Another possibility is that many gamers are impatient and are not that >useful for long term efforts like interplanetary colonization. (I >think it was Musk doing the gaming.) It seems to me the trick is to >figure out what the counterparty is. If it is a gamer, then game them >back but don't get invested. If it is not a gamer, then the >interaction is more complex, and a pure gamer will have to learn how to >mimic a non-gamer (learn domain expertise) or else they'll exhaust >their memory of the transactions. In reality, people aren't just one >or the other. One can have purpose, but also can play a "long con" >from time to time. > >Marcus > >FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College >to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove -- ⛧glen⛧ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] now it all makes sense
Glen writes: "The authentically intelligent and well intentioned become tools for the gamers/defectors. In the end, it's that _faith_ in human nature, social or evolutionary progress, or whatever that allows them to be used that way." Another possibility is that many gamers are impatient and are not that useful for long term efforts like interplanetary colonization. (I think it was Musk doing the gaming.) It seems to me the trick is to figure out what the counterparty is. If it is a gamer, then game them back but don't get invested. If it is not a gamer, then the interaction is more complex, and a pure gamer will have to learn how to mimic a non-gamer (learn domain expertise) or else they'll exhaust their memory of the transactions. In reality, people aren't just one or the other. One can have purpose, but also can play a "long con" from time to time. Marcus FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] now it all makes sense
fAIth: The most avid believers in AI are aggressively secular – yet their language is eerily religious. Why? https://aeon.co/essays/why-is-the-language-of-transhumanists-and-religion-so-similar To go along with the article back in 2013: Belief in the Singularity is Fideistic http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/2013-May/069348.html Idealism is pernicious. I was very happy to see Musk protest Trump's decision to exit the Paris accord. It was a nice contrast to the argument for being on that business council. [†] People like Musk, unfortunately end up being "useful fools" to people like Trump. The authentically intelligent and well intentioned become tools for the gamers/defectors. In the end, it's that _faith_ in human nature, social or evolutionary progress, or whatever that allows them to be used that way. [†] The argument is that you have to have access to the evil dictator or ignorant bumbler in order to influence them into some better direction. So, e.g., Dennis Rodman visiting NK is a good thing. But a) we have Nietzsche's warning about staring into the abyss -- i.e. the gamer is more likely to make you a gamer than you are likely to make them a cooperator. And b) we are known by the company we keep -- e.g. congress members who vote against or for some bill for technical reasons even when they agree or disagree, respectively, with the bill's gist. Idealism ignores the lessons of both (a) and (b). In the end, regardless of the good intentions of any member of the clique, access and cliquishness eventually dominate. The longer you're in the clique, the more difficult it becomes to walk away and the more complicit you become. On 06/16/2017 09:39 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Now it all makes sense. Trump is feeding escapist dreams by purposely > destroying the planet, to create a market for Mars-a-Lago. > > http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/06/the_30_month_trip_to_mars_and_back_would_increase_your_chances_of_long_term.html -- ☣ glen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
[FRIAM] now it all makes sense
Now it all makes sense. Trump is feeding escapist dreams by purposely destroying the planet, to create a market for Mars-a-Lago. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2017/06/the_30_month_trip_to_mars_and_back_would_increase_your_chances_of_long_term.html FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
