Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

[Jon Zingale]

So, Nick, would you have me believe that a 'side' is something a die can
have, but not the possibility of being on a side?

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Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

[Frank Wimberly]

Nick, i hope this helps.  Given a fair die that hasn't been thrown the
probability that it will come up 2 (or any of the other particular values)
on the next throw is 1/6 by definition of fair.  Given that it has been
thrown and ceterus paribus the a posteriori probability that it shows 2
given that it does is 1.0.  In that case the probabilities of each of the
other values is 0.0.

The acceleration of an object with constant velocity is 0.0.  If the
velocity is changing the acceleration is the instantaneous change in
velocity the knowledge of which is limited by the ability to measure that.
The acceleration of an object whose velocity is described by a closed form
mathematical function is the derivative of that function as we learned in
calculus.  The derivative is defined by limits.  This is theoretical and
approximates what happens in the physical world.

Questions and comments are welcome.

Frank


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On Fri, Oct 1, 2021, 7:21 PM  wrote:

> I thought the conversation about probability, category errors, and
> crossing boundaries between levels of organization was interesting and I
> was sorry I had to leave it.   I want to say that to speak a die as having
> a probability of 1/6 of coming up 6 on a single throw is a category error
> because it is not a property that can be displayed on a single throw.  It’s
> the same worry that I have often deployed about the calculus.  If we take
> the idea of a category error seriously, then acceleration is just not the
> sort of thing an object can have at an instant.But just as clearly as
> this argument is too strong – lots of very nice longstanding bridges have
> been built with the calculus – so the argument is also too strong with
> respect to probability – lots of nice atom bombs have been built with
> probability theory … or something.
>
>
>
> I care about this because my standard account of such concepts as
> “wanting” is that they are properties of the population of responses to an
> object, not properties of any one of those responses.   We encounter the
> same problem with anecdotes and newspaper photographs designed to
> illustrate some general fact.  If the generally fact is that “very few of
> the immigrants at the southern border are well treated” a single photograph
> looking peaked or hungry is irrelevant.  Equally irrelevant would be a
> picture of a bright eyed kid sitting in the lap of a border patrol officer
> eating a hot-fudge sundae.
>
>
>
> This makes me wonder about one of the foundations of psychological
> research, the statistics of inference, which I think Peirce invented.   Let
> a coin be thrown 10 times and each time come up heads.  What I think Peirce
> would  have me conclude is that that coin is unlikely to be drawn from a
> population of fair throws of a fair coin.   But, of coure, what we are
> likely to conclude is that “this coin is not fair.”But that could be as
> misguided, couldn’t it, as concluding that the kid in the lap of the border
> patrol officers is being mistreated.
>
>
>
> I apologize, once more, for sharing my comfusions with you.
>
>
>
> n
>
>
>
> Nick Thompson
>
> thompnicks...@gmail.com
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Friday, October 1, 2021 6:46 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate
>
>
>
>
> https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/61/1/119
>
>
>
> This is for those who attended this morning's vFriam meeting.  I was
> Schachter's colleague, among a couple of others.
>
>
>
>
>
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> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
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Re: [FRIAM] tl;dr what's facebook hiding?

[thompnickson2]

Brain worms are more powerful than arguments?

 

I mean, once you heard that Hillary was running a child trafficking ring from 
under the cement pad on which a pizza parlor sat, could you EVER get that image 
out your head?

 

n

 

Nick Thompson

  thompnicks...@gmail.com

  
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow
Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 12:02 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: [FRIAM] tl;dr what's facebook hiding?

 

https://doctorow.medium.com/facebook-thrives-on-criticism-of-disinformation-64b141d7b6c8

 

I'll give you the punchline:

 

  Maybe Facebook’s aggressive suppression of accurate assessments of 
disinformation on its platform are driven by a desire to hide how expensive 
(and profitable) political advertising it depends on is pretty useless.

 

I mean, we do find it pretty hard to change peoples' minds when they are made 
up, how much should we believe that advertising can change anything?

 

via hackernews

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Re: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

[thompnickson2]

I thought the conversation about probability, category errors, and crossing 
boundaries between levels of organization was interesting and I was sorry I had 
to leave it.   I want to say that to speak a die as having a probability of 1/6 
of coming up 6 on a single throw is a category error because it is not a 
property that can be displayed on a single throw.  It’s the same worry that I 
have often deployed about the calculus.  If we take the idea of a category 
error seriously, then acceleration is just not the sort of thing an object can 
have at an instant.But just as clearly as this argument is too strong – 
lots of very nice longstanding bridges have been built with the calculus – so 
the argument is also too strong with respect to probability – lots of nice atom 
bombs have been built with probability theory … or something.  

 

I care about this because my standard account of such concepts as “wanting” is 
that they are properties of the population of responses to an object, not 
properties of any one of those responses.   We encounter the same problem with 
anecdotes and newspaper photographs designed to illustrate some general fact.  
If the generally fact is that “very few of the immigrants at the southern 
border are well treated” a single photograph looking peaked or hungry is 
irrelevant.  Equally irrelevant would be a picture of a bright eyed kid sitting 
in the lap of a border patrol officer eating a hot-fudge sundae.  

 

This makes me wonder about one of the foundations of psychological research, 
the statistics of inference, which I think Peirce invented.   Let a coin be 
thrown 10 times and each time come up heads.  What I think Peirce would  have 
me conclude is that that coin is unlikely to be drawn from a population of fair 
throws of a fair coin.   But, of coure, what we are likely to conclude is that 
“this coin is not fair.”But that could be as misguided, couldn’t it, as 
concluding that the kid in the lap of the border patrol officers is being 
mistreated.   

 

I apologize, once more, for sharing my comfusions with you. 

 

n

 

Nick Thompson

  thompnicks...@gmail.com

  
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 6:46 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: [FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

 


https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/61/1/119

 

This is for those who attended this morning's vFriam meeting.  I was 
Schachter's colleague, among a couple of others.

 

 

---
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140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
Santa Fe, NM 87505

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[FRIAM] Newborn Heart Rate

[Frank Wimberly]

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/61/1/119

This is for those who attended this morning's vFriam meeting.  I was
Schachter's colleague, among a couple of others.


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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Jon Zingale]

A few years ago, I became interested in building myself an AC frog. At the
time I started looking into IBM's TrueNorth[0] chips, and more locally,
Knowm's memristor[1] chips. The dream was/is to get a bunch of their
possibly flawed chips at a bargain price and (à la Von Neumann's "reliable
organisms"[R]) to try to build my own "conscious" frog. The idea is to
build a low-powered ai "brain" and to give the frog some minimal agency
(low powered servos or something) and a resistive or piezo-electric
"skin"[2] as a way of knowing about its world. Finally, to plug it in and
let it have its "own" experiences. I would never know quite what the
training turned out to be, but I would hope that it was happy :)

Maybe that dream is getting a little bit closer.


[0] https://research.ibm.com/articles/brain-chip.shtml
[1] https://knowm.org/downloads/Knowm_Memristors.pdf
[R] https://static.ias.edu/pitp/archive/2012files/Probabilistic_Logics.pdf
[2] https://www.kobakant.at/DIY/?p=913

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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Marcus Daniels]

I haven't asked about pricing and availability, but Mythic has evaluation 
systems.

https://www.mythic-ai.com/product/evaluation-system/

There are not commercially available devices from IBM yet.  I'm not at liberty 
to give further details.   
I like this approach because it is obvious how to use it vs. the new spiking 
neural net stuff from Intel (and also from IBM) is more speculative w.r.t. 
applications.

Quantum computers are all analog machines in practice.

-Original Message-
From: Friam  On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 10:12 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

Maybe I'm just incompetent today. But what PCM devices did they use? Internal 
IBM research devices? Or did they only use the simulator 
(https://github.com/IBM/aihwkit)? Are there commercial PCM chips yet?

On 10/1/21 7:34 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Companies like Mythic and IBM have developed analog devices for energy- 
> efficient deep learning.   Noise and low precision are often used as part of 
> ML training protocols anyway.    Here they did careful side-by-side testing 
> to quantify the impact of going analog.
> 
> https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2021.675741/full 
> 
> 
> Or perhaps the proposition is that CS people (for example) can’t appreciate 
> complexity that where the generative rules are unknown or obscure?   Sure 
> that horse is fast, but how can I put a new engine in it?

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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[uǝlƃ ☤ $]

Maybe I'm just incompetent today. But what PCM devices did they use? Internal 
IBM research devices? Or did they only use the simulator 
(https://github.com/IBM/aihwkit)? Are there commercial PCM chips yet?

On 10/1/21 7:34 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Companies like Mythic and IBM have developed analog devices for energy- 
> efficient deep learning.   Noise and low precision are often used as part of 
> ML training protocols anyway.    Here they did careful side-by-side testing 
> to quantify the impact of going analog.
> 
> https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2021.675741/full 
> 
> 
> Or perhaps the proposition is that CS people (for example) can’t appreciate 
> complexity that where the generative rules are unknown or obscure?   Sure 
> that horse is fast, but how can I put a new engine in it?

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[FRIAM] tl;dr what's facebook hiding?

[Roger Critchlow]

https://doctorow.medium.com/facebook-thrives-on-criticism-of-disinformation-64b141d7b6c8

I'll give you the punchline:

  Maybe Facebook’s aggressive suppression of accurate assessments of
> disinformation on its platform are driven by a desire to hide how expensive
> (and profitable) political advertising it depends on is pretty useless.


I mean, we do find it pretty hard to change peoples' minds when they are
made up, how much should we believe that advertising can change anything?

via hackernews
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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[Marcus Daniels]

Companies like Mythic and IBM have developed analog devices for energy- 
efficient deep learning.   Noise and low precision are often used as part of ML 
training protocols anyway.Here they did careful side-by-side testing to 
quantify the impact of going analog.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncom.2021.675741/full

Or perhaps the proposition is that CS people (for example) can’t appreciate 
complexity that where the generative rules are unknown or obscure?   Sure that 
horse is fast, but how can I put a new engine in it?

On Oct 1, 2021, at 12:58 AM, David Eric Smith  wrote:

 Doh!

I’m such a dolt, watching the pretty pictures.

They’re both Turing complete, correct?  Is there a natural sense of writing a 
program that, in that algorithmic representation, you know is somehow 
algorithmically deep in 110, which then becomes something algorithmically 
interesting under the corresponding representation in Life?  If one did that, 
would all the constructions be so forced that it was tedious and not 
elucidating of anything?  One is better to run “analog” and just relish the 
evident generative complexity?

Eric



On Sep 30, 2021, at 5:33 AM, Steve Smith 
mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote:

Jon -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2uhhAXd7PI_channel=ElliotWaite


I never cease to be surprised and fascinated watching simple rules generate 
complex structure and dynamics.

I had a lot of complex reactions to this but I won't waste anyone's bandwidth 
with my reflective rambling...

Thanks for sharing...

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Re: [FRIAM] A pretty cellular automata video

[David Eric Smith]

Doh!

I’m such a dolt, watching the pretty pictures.

They’re both Turing complete, correct?  Is there a natural sense of writing a 
program that, in that algorithmic representation, you know is somehow 
algorithmically deep in 110, which then becomes something algorithmically 
interesting under the corresponding representation in Life?  If one did that, 
would all the constructions be so forced that it was tedious and not 
elucidating of anything?  One is better to run “analog” and just relish the 
evident generative complexity?

Eric



> On Sep 30, 2021, at 5:33 AM, Steve Smith  wrote:
> 
> Jon -
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2uhhAXd7PI_channel=ElliotWaite 
>> 
> I never cease to be surprised and fascinated watching simple rules generate 
> complex structure and dynamics.
> 
> I had a lot of complex reactions to this but I won't waste anyone's bandwidth 
> with my reflective rambling...  
> 
> Thanks for sharing...
> 
> - Steve
> 
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