Re: [FRIAM] corruption and impartiality

[uǝlƃ ☤ $]

No, I was "here". I just couldn't read the couchiness thing. About 2 paragraphs 
in I felt like I was wasting my time ... which is bad because my time isn't 
valuable. And I completely agree with Gil re black flashlights, which means 
there's no reason for me to write anything.

The Lerner posts seemed to echo a bit of Jon's and your objection to 
bureaucracy, but also evoke a larger argument I've had with several people 
about institutional/systemic knowledge. And Jon mentioned "jury nullification" 
awhile back, which is a similar subject. *Where* is "the law"? Not only where 
is it defined, but also where is it executed/computed? This strikes me as an 
unsettled question ... even a couple hundred years on in this experiment.

On 11/22/21 12:12 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
> Glad to have you back.  Seems like you had gone silent for a while.  
> 
> It seems to me that the law is to blame in the Rittenhouse case.  It is 
> precisesly the duty of the law to keep individual human beings out of the 
> situation Rittenhouse and his opponents found themselves in.  If trained 
> police cannot make the kind of hair-trigger decisions that Rittenhouse and 
> the others were forced to make, how can we expect untrained citizens to.  Put 
> a 17 year old kid, pumped up with ideology, provided with an assault rife, 
> into the midst of a riot in a unfamiliar city,  what could possibly go wrong? 
>  Throw the legislature in jail.  
> 
> n
> 
> Nick Thompson
> thompnicks...@gmail.com
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam  On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 11:04 AM
> To: FriAM 
> Subject: [FRIAM] corruption and impartiality
> 
> IDEA has (the) US listed as backsliding:
> 
> https://www.idea.int/gsod/sites/default/files/inline-images/Figure%206_global.png
> 
> It seems mostly because of a loss of "impartial administration":
> 
> https://www.idea.int/gsod/sites/default/files/inline-images/Global_07.jpeg
> 
> Outlined here:
> 
> https://www.idea.int/gsod/global-report#chapter-6-impartial-administration
> 
> Of all the myriad things this brings to my mind (from postmodernism to 
> federated computing), the most obvious one is the illusory "neutrality" of 
> SCOTUS and the semi-religious hermeneutics around "the rule of law". The 
> Rittenhouse verdict and this series of posts 
> 
>  biased me even more. ("procedural rights"? Pffft.)
> 
> But the real question, here, is who is to blame? Mirroring Donald Trump, am 
> *I* to blame for losing trust and constantly questioning the motivations of 
> the Justices? (Is Trump to blame for questioning the election 
> result/process?) Are we, me re SCOTUS and Trump re ... well ... everyone but 
> himself, *imputing* partiality by our very insistence that it's there? Or, is 
> it actually there?
> 
> There's something to be said, here, about secrecy and distributed tasking. 
> While SCOTUS isn't secret, it is fairly centralized (into 9 
> appointed-for-life already elite lawyers ... fvcking lawyers for crying out 
> loud). And the problem with secrecy isn't really about the secrecy. It's 
> about diversity, including hyper-reductive reasoning as well as perspective 
> and noisy application (universality). Twain's observation ("two people can 
> keep a secret if one of them is dead") evokes this nicely. Distributed 
> systems are leaky. And it's a feature, not a bug.
> 
> COVID-19, like blockchain tech and social media, brought both opportunities 
> for more corruption and opportunities for less corruption. There are no more 
> demes. We are awash in *pan*demics of various different kinds, from yahoos 
> thinking they can read the Constitution just because they can read Harry 
> Potter to 8-bit graphic artists issuing NFTs for their silly emotes. Get off 
> my lawn!
> 
> Which of the Grand Unified Theories of Everything explains this stuff? I have 
> no idea what's going on.
> 

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Re: [FRIAM] corruption and impartiality

[thompnickson2]

Glen, 

Glad to have you back.  Seems like you had gone silent for a while.  

It seems to me that the law is to blame in the Rittenhouse case.  It is 
precisesly the duty of the law to keep individual human beings out of the 
situation Rittenhouse and his opponents found themselves in.  If trained police 
cannot make the kind of hair-trigger decisions that Rittenhouse and the others 
were forced to make, how can we expect untrained citizens to.  Put a 17 year 
old kid, pumped up with ideology, provided with an assault rife, into the midst 
of a riot in a unfamiliar city,  what could possibly go wrong?  Throw the 
legislature in jail.  

n

Nick Thompson
thompnicks...@gmail.com
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

-Original Message-
From: Friam  On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 11:04 AM
To: FriAM 
Subject: [FRIAM] corruption and impartiality

IDEA has (the) US listed as backsliding:

https://www.idea.int/gsod/sites/default/files/inline-images/Figure%206_global.png

It seems mostly because of a loss of "impartial administration":

https://www.idea.int/gsod/sites/default/files/inline-images/Global_07.jpeg

Outlined here:

https://www.idea.int/gsod/global-report#chapter-6-impartial-administration

Of all the myriad things this brings to my mind (from postmodernism to 
federated computing), the most obvious one is the illusory "neutrality" of 
SCOTUS and the semi-religious hermeneutics around "the rule of law". The 
Rittenhouse verdict and this series of posts 

 biased me even more. ("procedural rights"? Pffft.)

But the real question, here, is who is to blame? Mirroring Donald Trump, am *I* 
to blame for losing trust and constantly questioning the motivations of the 
Justices? (Is Trump to blame for questioning the election result/process?) Are 
we, me re SCOTUS and Trump re ... well ... everyone but himself, *imputing* 
partiality by our very insistence that it's there? Or, is it actually there?

There's something to be said, here, about secrecy and distributed tasking. 
While SCOTUS isn't secret, it is fairly centralized (into 9 appointed-for-life 
already elite lawyers ... fvcking lawyers for crying out loud). And the problem 
with secrecy isn't really about the secrecy. It's about diversity, including 
hyper-reductive reasoning as well as perspective and noisy application 
(universality). Twain's observation ("two people can keep a secret if one of 
them is dead") evokes this nicely. Distributed systems are leaky. And it's a 
feature, not a bug.

COVID-19, like blockchain tech and social media, brought both opportunities for 
more corruption and opportunities for less corruption. There are no more demes. 
We are awash in *pan*demics of various different kinds, from yahoos thinking 
they can read the Constitution just because they can read Harry Potter to 8-bit 
graphic artists issuing NFTs for their silly emotes. Get off my lawn!

Which of the Grand Unified Theories of Everything explains this stuff? I have 
no idea what's going on.

-- 
"Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie."
☤>$ uǝlƃ


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[FRIAM] corruption and impartiality

[uǝlƃ ☤ $]

IDEA has (the) US listed as backsliding:

https://www.idea.int/gsod/sites/default/files/inline-images/Figure%206_global.png

It seems mostly because of a loss of "impartial administration":

https://www.idea.int/gsod/sites/default/files/inline-images/Global_07.jpeg

Outlined here:

https://www.idea.int/gsod/global-report#chapter-6-impartial-administration

Of all the myriad things this brings to my mind (from postmodernism to 
federated computing), the most obvious one is the illusory "neutrality" of 
SCOTUS and the semi-religious hermeneutics around "the rule of law". The 
Rittenhouse verdict and this series of posts 

 biased me even more. ("procedural rights"? Pffft.)

But the real question, here, is who is to blame? Mirroring Donald Trump, am *I* 
to blame for losing trust and constantly questioning the motivations of the 
Justices? (Is Trump to blame for questioning the election result/process?) Are 
we, me re SCOTUS and Trump re ... well ... everyone but himself, *imputing* 
partiality by our very insistence that it's there? Or, is it actually there?

There's something to be said, here, about secrecy and distributed tasking. 
While SCOTUS isn't secret, it is fairly centralized (into 9 appointed-for-life 
already elite lawyers ... fvcking lawyers for crying out loud). And the problem 
with secrecy isn't really about the secrecy. It's about diversity, including 
hyper-reductive reasoning as well as perspective and noisy application 
(universality). Twain's observation ("two people can keep a secret if one of 
them is dead") evokes this nicely. Distributed systems are leaky. And it's a 
feature, not a bug.

COVID-19, like blockchain tech and social media, brought both opportunities for 
more corruption and opportunities for less corruption. There are no more demes. 
We are awash in *pan*demics of various different kinds, from yahoos thinking 
they can read the Constitution just because they can read Harry Potter to 8-bit 
graphic artists issuing NFTs for their silly emotes. Get off my lawn!

Which of the Grand Unified Theories of Everything explains this stuff? I have 
no idea what's going on.

-- 
"Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie."
☤>$ uǝlƃ


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