[FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

2015-01-16 Thread Marcus G. Daniels

 It was wonderful the range of personal experience we were able to
 bring to bear on this subject  and the lack of guardedness with which
 we were able to explore it given our diverse history. 

Another benefit of in-person meetings is that this list fails to
actually deliver all mails!

Marcus




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Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

2015-01-16 Thread Marcus G. Daniels

 I know... I only occasionally recognize that fact... I think Nick was 
 the first to notice a while back and suggested that it was a conspiracy 
 against him alone... which I also feel sometimes...

It is a wonderful outcome if two (hypothetical) agents with
diametrically opposed viewpoints can both infer a conspiracy against
them.  A conspiracy that must originate from the other side!

Marcus



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Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: academic fields whose practitioners believe ...

2015-01-16 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
Marcus or to Steve,

Damn Good Call. 

If you would not have uttered such a comment
I would not now have such a headache.
The threads have become confusing with everyone cutting and pasting chunks
with unclear attributions.
( could we get coloured highlights ?)
You have the advantage of seeing each other once in a while, I am blind
metaphorically . I plan on renewing my passport and attempting to travel
again. If it is cold I can Go.

So it is not simply the issue of distinct threads but also the appearance of
different view points.
A viewpoint does not prove a point no matter how much we wish to appear
clever. No matter how many Likes  you get , you are never going to be
assured of truth. 
No matter how often you run an experiment and achieve results either way you
will always be trapped in some inductive bubble.

Look now to the possibility that many view points may break the inductive /
recursion trap that infinite repetition could not.
The viewpoints act to increase the number of dimensions open to  examination
not the precise static resolution adequate for measurement.
Imagine video versus still photography and then just add a dash of
TimeLapse and HyperLapse  or Lemon , into the mixture and you now have such
a complex situation that , I get headaches. I am at a loss for language.

No one ever really wins arguments that may explain why we believe, our own
lies, first, when we speak them out loud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNwWOul4i9Ysns=em
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ky6vgQfU24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKppuqN04Kc

These three videos all show the earth from different viewpoints some from
many points. Each appears  to be  a medium for  a specific audience or
messages. Truth appears to span dimensions and it moves about.

Beneath every set of images lies another bigger reality. If we consider this
just for a few moments you would probably demand an explanation from me.

I don't have one yet, I won't pretend. I am also part of other networks and
get hit with strange stuff occasionally.
This net has the advantage of containing some very literate participants.
Very rare today.
vib

I wonder does this material belong to a new Zeitgeist ? 
Man and machine?



-Original Message-
From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith
Sent: January-16-15 3:05 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [ SPAM ] Re: academic fields whose practitioners
believe ...

On 1/16/15 12:59 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
 It was wonderful the range of personal experience we were able to 
 bring to bear on this subject  and the lack of guardedness with which 
 we were able to explore it given our diverse history.
 Another benefit of in-person meetings is that this list fails to 
 actually deliver all mails!
I know... I only occasionally recognize that fact... I think Nick was the
first to notice a while back and suggested that it was a conspiracy against
him alone... which I also feel sometimes...

On the other hand, I find that in-person, there are usually at least two
parallel threads and while I can survey multiples, I can't really
participate in more than one effectively without seeming entirely ADD.

 Marcus



 
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