Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

[Owen Densmore]

Oooh, and Google+ is like so cool!  Hangouts!

Oh, wait.

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Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

[Owen Densmore]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Parks, Raymond  wrote:

>
>  On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>


> How about Chrome OS? The twitter world is betting on Mozilla over Google
> in the browser-as-OS world.  Possibly because Brenden Eich became CTO
> recently.  Also their phone promises a way to have "responsive design"
> webapps become universal, getting rid of the need for customized
> android/iphone/windows apps.  That's a pretty big win for perplexed
> companies moving into mobile.
>
>
>  Unless Mozilla can get out of their cruft rut, their browser-as-OS will
> be really slow and unresponsive.  As much as I like Firefox and its
> security plug-ins, I've had to give up on it on my Android phone - it's a
> memory and processing hog.  Firefox has grown bigger and slower with every
> version.  Also, Mozilla doesn't have desktop applications ready.
>

Here  I disagree.  Past, yes .. pretty crufty.  Now not.  Why?  Brenden
Eich.  He gets promoted to CTO.  W/in a week, he pushes several things to
the top of the Moz stack which I think are important.  Certainly asm.js.
 This could be seriously ground-breaking.  Also the Moz phone work tripled
as far as the buzz and the new phone.

Apps?  Guess what, most of the android apps are now already ported to the
new RIM Z10 blackberry.  I doubt Moz would have problems.  Just look at the
Tweets from Moz engineers.  They've been let free.  I think they can easily
topple Google in the OS world, and even the phone.

Here's a Hollywood story: Moz partners with TMo to bulid a phone that's
really open and fits with the "Stop the bullshit" message from TMo.  They
port all the android stuff.  They use asm.js to have the fastest phone
browser.  At that point they start selling the Phone Web App story:
phonegap approach HTML5/CSS3/JavaScript.  And guess what? They have the
best mobile platform on the planet.  Coupled with GSM, they escape the
North American border. Apple?  Hell any marketing group can push them to
the High Priced Spread .. elites only.

Nice flick!

>  How about Dart?  Consider ASM.js vs Dart.  Which would you bet on?  I'm
> still betting on Mozilla's ASM.js because its simply more fundamental and
> understandable and even is part of a C++ to JS translation effort
>
>
>  Apples vs Oranges - asm.js is a subset of javascript for which Dart is a
> ground-up replacement.  The real comparison is how much penetration has
> Dart made into implementations (apparently, negligible).
>

Dart: 0
Asm.js: HUGE!

Even LLJS and similar earlier stunts are folding with LLJS *compiling* to
asm.js.  MS TypeScript is perfect for compiling to asm.js.

The trick?  Moz is anonymous .. most of the noise is from engineers from
Moz which Moz loves: they don't WANT to be Google or Mozilla.  They want to
succeed.  I wish FF was not so ugly!

Look.  We thought the phone market was pwned by iDevices.  Then comes
Android.  Whoot!  Way cool and all the ordinaries go for it.

So what do you think would stop Moz?  They have a handset.  And an OS.
 Cutting the unholy trinity down to two has been a win for Apple, but not
Google .. just look at Doug's posts.

And Eich?  Well, who else in 10 days produced not one but two choices for
Netscape as the DOM language?

   -- Owen

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Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: Google Reader and More: Google Abandoning of Apps/Services

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On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Douglas Roberts 
mailto:d...@parrot-farm.net>> wrote:
Oh come on guys, Google never makes a mistake. Ever.

--Doug

OK, how's this for specific.  Try these on:

Do you think Android will last?  I don't mean "will it completely go away" but 
will google, for example, drop out of the Android consortium and let the 
handset makers carry the load?

If Google drops Android, then it will not last - the handset makers will 
fragment it in order to have distinguishing features/selling points.  If Google 
sets up the Open Handset Alliance with funding, it might be able to keep the 
handset fragmentation at bay.


Will G+ be dropped?  After all, it mainly gives a Facebook-like world for most 
folks.  G+ is "better" from our standpoint, but I use twitter 100x more than 
either FB or G+ and FB has the masses and will never loose them. So G+ is just 
catch up and niche.

Probably not - Google seems to be pushing single sign on through G+ in order to 
better track people for targeted advertisement.

How about Chrome?  I think that is the more likely to remain stable forever 
simply because they depend on a browser as the root of all that they do.  Ditto 
the Dev Tools which are superb. Hopefully solid.

I agree - Chrome is probably a long-term investment.  Especially since it is 
their vehicle to get users to single-signon through G+.

How about Chrome OS? The twitter world is betting on Mozilla over Google in the 
browser-as-OS world.  Possibly because Brenden Eich became CTO recently.  Also 
their phone promises a way to have "responsive design" webapps become 
universal, getting rid of the need for customized android/iphone/windows apps.  
That's a pretty big win for perplexed companies moving into mobile.

Unless Mozilla can get out of their cruft rut, their browser-as-OS will be 
really slow and unresponsive.  As much as I like Firefox and its security 
plug-ins, I've had to give up on it on my Android phone - it's a memory and 
processing hog.  Firefox has grown bigger and slower with every version.  Also, 
Mozilla doesn't have desktop applications ready.

How about Dart?  Consider ASM.js vs Dart.  Which would you bet on?  I'm still 
betting on Mozilla's ASM.js because its simply more fundamental and 
understandable and even is part of a C++ to JS translation effort

Apples vs Oranges - asm.js is a subset of javascript for which Dart is a 
ground-up replacement.  The real comparison is how much penetration has Dart 
made into implementations (apparently, negligible).



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