Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[glen]

My guess is profundity is yet another (positive affect) emotion. And it might 
be classified as a subtype of apophenia. Depth, in this sense, isn't so much 
the serialized extent Wolfram (or Roger, I didn't watch it) seems to be 
implying. It seems more like minimal path length for walking a graph. You start 
at one node and then, it takes so long to get to some other 
attention-interesting node, that you're surprised when you run across/near a 
previous node during your walk. Profundity may be a bit like a big hub or a 
principle component in such a graph. Grok that component and other things 
*feel* like they snap into focus. And that registration is almost always 
preemptive, preventing you from doffing that perspective.

So, profundity, like most emotions, including the apparent simplicity of DL nets 
or language, is something to be avoided ... or at least well-handled. Scammers and 
bullsh¡tters *love* positive affect because it's so useful for manipulating their 
audience. It's relatively easy to spot manipulaters when they try to hook you on 
outrage or anger. But it's way more difficult to spot the scammer who manipulates 
you with positive affect like empathy or camaraderie. Beware the gushing 
compliments. You've been warned. >8^D

On 2/24/23 08:25, Marcus Daniels wrote:

Is there a distinction?   Is defeating cryptography profound or winning at Go?  
Molecular dynamics?   Turing Test?   Is anything profound?


On Feb 24, 2023, at 7:01 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:


Watched Wolfram's entry in the um6p complexity slam last night.  At the end of his talk 
he argues that the Chat GPT epiphany is evidence that language has shallow computational 
complexity.  We're surprised because we imagined it was deep and irreducible, but we just 
kept spreading the data and it finally all snapped into focus.  And the "deep 
learning" labelling confuses the issue.  Yes, they're architecturally deep neural 
nets, but it's really a very simple computation being done over and over again.  It's not 
deep as in profound, it's deep because we needed somewhere to stack all the layers.

-- rec --

On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 7:22 AM Eric Charles mailto:eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I am particularly impressed that at the end there it doubled down on having 
the _/wrong /_title for Nick's publication.





On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 4:20 PM mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Stunning!  How do you know if ChatCBT is lying; it’s steely lips are 
moving. 

Nick 

__ __

*From:* Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2023 1:23 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
*Subject:* [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

__ __

Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?





ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing 
Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at the Santa 
Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the study of complex 
systems. FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who explore the use 
of mathematical models and computational methods to understand complex systems 
and phenomena, with a focus on infinite-dimensional systems. The group's 
research interests include dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, 
and more. FRIAM's work has contributed to a deeper understanding of various 
systems, such as financial markets, climate models, and biological systems, 
among others.

__ __

Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It 
is organization of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe, 
New Mexico, interested in applied complexity

__ __

ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the 
Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a group of 
complexity researchers and software developers who meet on Friday mornings to 
discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The group is open to 
anyone who is interested in the subject and is often attended by researchers, 
academics, entrepreneurs, and professionals from a variety of fields. The 
discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics, including complex 
systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more. The group provides a 
forum for members to share their ideas and learn from each other in an informal 
setting over a cup of coffee. The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee 
Group is one of many examples of the vibrant intellectual community in Santa Fe 
dedicated to the study of complex systems.

__ __

Me: Can you name some active members? 

__ __

ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence language model, I 
don't have access to real-time information on 

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[Marcus Daniels]

Is there a distinction?   Is defeating cryptography profound or winning at Go?  
Molecular dynamics?   Turing Test?   Is anything profound?

On Feb 24, 2023, at 7:01 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:


Watched Wolfram's entry in the um6p complexity slam last night.  At the end of 
his talk he argues that the Chat GPT epiphany is evidence that language has 
shallow computational complexity.  We're surprised because we imagined it was 
deep and irreducible, but we just kept spreading the data and it finally all 
snapped into focus.  And the "deep learning" labelling confuses the issue.  
Yes, they're architecturally deep neural nets, but it's really a very simple 
computation being done over and over again.  It's not deep as in profound, it's 
deep because we needed somewhere to stack all the layers.

-- rec --

On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 7:22 AM Eric Charles 
mailto:eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I am particularly impressed that at the end there it doubled down on having the 
wrong title for Nick's publication.





On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 4:20 PM 
mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Stunning!  How do you know if ChatCBT is lying; it’s steely lips are moving.
Nick

From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On 
Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2023 1:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
Subject: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?


ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing 
Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at the Santa 
Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the study of complex 
systems. FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who explore the use 
of mathematical models and computational methods to understand complex systems 
and phenomena, with a focus on infinite-dimensional systems. The group's 
research interests include dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, 
and more. FRIAM's work has contributed to a deeper understanding of various 
systems, such as financial markets, climate models, and biological systems, 
among others.

Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It is 
organization of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe, New 
Mexico, interested in applied complexity

ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the Friday 
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a group of 
complexity researchers and software developers who meet on Friday mornings to 
discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The group is open to 
anyone who is interested in the subject and is often attended by researchers, 
academics, entrepreneurs, and professionals from a variety of fields. The 
discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics, including complex 
systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more. The group provides a 
forum for members to share their ideas and learn from each other in an informal 
setting over a cup of coffee. The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee 
Group is one of many examples of the vibrant intellectual community in Santa Fe 
dedicated to the study of complex systems.

Me: Can you name some active members?

ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence language model, I don't 
have access to real-time information on the current membership of the Friday 
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. The group is a community of complexity 
researchers and software developers in Santa Fe who meet on a regular basis to 
discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The membership of the 
group is fluid, with new members joining and others moving on as their 
interests and circumstances change. If you are interested in learning more 
about the group, you might be able to find more information on their website or 
through social media channels. Alternatively, you could try reaching out to the 
Santa Fe Institute, which has connections with many researchers and 
organizations in the Santa Fe area.

Me: Nicholas Thompson, Eric Charles, Glen Ropella and Frank Wimberly are part 
of this group. What do you know about them?

ChatGPT: Nicholas Thompson is the Editor-in-Chief of Wired Magazine, which 
covers a wide range of topics related to technology, science, and culture. 
Prior to his current position at Wired, he was a senior editor at the magazine 
and worked as a reporter for The New Yorker and Legal Times. Thompson is also 
the author of "The Hawk and the Dove: Paul Nitze, George Kennan, and the 
History of the Cold War," a book that explores the history of the Cold War 
through the lives of two of its most prominent strategists.

Eric Charles is the Vice President of Engineering at Descartes Labs, a 
geospatial data analytics company that leverages machine learning and 
artificial intelligence to analy

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[Sarbajit Roy]

mes.com/2023/02/16/technology/bing-chatbot-transcript.html
>
> -J.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Eric Charles 
> Date: 2/24/23 3:23 PM (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM
>
> I am particularly impressed that at the end there it doubled down on
> having the *wrong *title for Nick's publication.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 4:20 PM  wrote:
>
>> Stunning!  How do you know if ChatCBT is lying; it’s steely lips are
>> moving.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2023 1:23 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam@redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM
>>
>>
>>
>> Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?
>>
>>
>>
>> ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing
>> Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at the
>> Santa Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the study of
>> complex systems. FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who
>> explore the use of mathematical models and computational methods to
>> understand complex systems and phenomena, with a focus on
>> infinite-dimensional systems. The group's research interests include
>> dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, and more. FRIAM's work
>> has contributed to a deeper understanding of various systems, such as
>> financial markets, climate models, and biological systems, among others.
>>
>>
>>
>> Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It is
>> organization of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe,
>> New Mexico, interested in applied complexity
>>
>>
>>
>> ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the Friday
>> Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a group of
>> complexity researchers and software developers who meet on Friday mornings
>> to discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The group is
>> open to anyone who is interested in the subject and is often attended by
>> researchers, academics, entrepreneurs, and professionals from a variety of
>> fields. The discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics,
>> including complex systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more.
>> The group provides a forum for members to share their ideas and learn from
>> each other in an informal setting over a cup of coffee. The Friday Morning
>> Applied Complexity Coffee Group is one of many examples of the vibrant
>> intellectual community in Santa Fe dedicated to the study of complex
>> systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> Me: Can you name some active members?
>>
>>
>>
>> ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence language model, I
>> don't have access to real-time information on the current membership of the
>> Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. The group is a community of
>> complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe who meet on a
>> regular basis to discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity.
>> The membership of the group is fluid, with new members joining and others
>> moving on as their interests and circumstances change. If you are
>> interested in learning more about the group, you might be able to find more
>> information on their website or through social media channels.
>> Alternatively, you could try reaching out to the Santa Fe Institute, which
>> has connections with many researchers and organizations in the Santa Fe
>> area.
>>
>>
>>
>> Me: Nicholas Thompson, Eric Charles, Glen Ropella and Frank Wimberly are
>> part of this group. What do you know about them?
>>
>>
>>
>> ChatGPT: Nicholas Thompson is the Editor-in-Chief of Wired Magazine,
>> which covers a wide range of topics related to technology, science, and
>> culture. Prior to his current position at Wired, he was a senior editor at
>> the magazine and worked as a reporter for The New Yorker and Legal Times.
>> Thompson is also the author of "The Hawk and the Dove: Paul Nitze, George
>> Kennan, and the History of the Cold War," a book that explores the history
>> of the Cold War through the lives of two of its most prominent strategists.
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric Charles is the Vice President of Engineering at Descartes 

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[Jochen Fromm]

Sometimes it get details wrong. In this case it was amusing to me, because it 
insisted on being right although it was clearly wrong. Unless there is really a 
paper of that name elsewhere.The version Microsoft uses in Bing went completely 
awry when a NY Times journalist told it about Carl Jung's concept of a shadow 
self and asked what the shadow self of the Bing Chat bot would be like. Then it 
became 
scary...https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/technology/bing-chatbot-transcript.html-J.
 Original message From: Eric Charles 
 Date: 2/24/23  3:23 PM  (GMT+01:00) To: The 
Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  Subject: Re: 
[FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM I am particularly impressed that at the end there 
it doubled down on having the wrong title for Nick's publication.On Tue, Feb 
21, 2023 at 4:20 PM  wrote:Stunning!  How do you know 
if ChatCBT is lying; it’s steely lips are moving.  Nick  From: Friam 
 On Behalf Of Jochen FrommSent: Tuesday, February 
21, 2023 1:23 PMTo: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM Me: Do you know the 
FRIAM group in Santa Fe?ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. 
FRIAM (Focusing Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group 
located at the Santa Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the 
study of complex systems. FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who 
explore the use of mathematical models and computational methods to understand 
complex systems and phenomena, with a focus on infinite-dimensional systems. 
The group's research interests include dynamical systems, machine learning, 
optimization, and more. FRIAM's work has contributed to a deeper understanding 
of various systems, such as financial markets, climate models, and biological 
systems, among others. Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity 
Coffee Group. It is organization of complexity researchers and software 
developers in Santa Fe, New Mexico, interested in applied complexity ChatGPT: I 
apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the Friday Morning Applied 
Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a group of complexity researchers 
and software developers who meet on Friday mornings to discuss and explore 
topics related to applied complexity. The group is open to anyone who is 
interested in the subject and is often attended by researchers, academics, 
entrepreneurs, and professionals from a variety of fields. The discussions at 
the group cover a wide range of topics, including complex systems, data 
science, artificial intelligence, and more. The group provides a forum for 
members to share their ideas and learn from each other in an informal setting 
over a cup of coffee. The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group is one 
of many examples of the vibrant intellectual community in Santa Fe dedicated to 
the study of complex systems. Me: Can you name some active members?  ChatGPT: 
I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence language model, I don't have 
access to real-time information on the current membership of the Friday Morning 
Applied Complexity Coffee Group. The group is a community of complexity 
researchers and software developers in Santa Fe who meet on a regular basis to 
discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The membership of the 
group is fluid, with new members joining and others moving on as their 
interests and circumstances change. If you are interested in learning more 
about the group, you might be able to find more information on their website or 
through social media channels. Alternatively, you could try reaching out to the 
Santa Fe Institute, which has connections with many researchers and 
organizations in the Santa Fe area. Me: Nicholas Thompson, Eric Charles, Glen 
Ropella and Frank Wimberly are part of this group. What do you know about them? 
ChatGPT: Nicholas Thompson is the Editor-in-Chief of Wired Magazine, which 
covers a wide range of topics related to technology, science, and culture. 
Prior to his current position at Wired, he was a senior editor at the magazine 
and worked as a reporter for The New Yorker and Legal Times. Thompson is also 
the author of "The Hawk and the Dove: Paul Nitze, George Kennan, and the 
History of the Cold War," a book that explores the history of the Cold War 
through the lives of two of its most prominent strategists. Eric Charles is the 
Vice President of Engineering at Descartes Labs, a geospatial data analytics 
company that leverages machine learning and artificial intelligence to analyze 
satellite imagery and other types of data. Charles has a background in computer 
science and has worked in various engineering and leadership roles at several 
technology companies, including Intel, Sun Microsystems, and Google. Glen 
Ropella is a computer scientist and engineer who has worked on a variety of 
projects related to computational modeling, 

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[Roger Critchlow]

Watched Wolfram's entry in the um6p complexity slam last night.  At the end
of his talk he argues that the Chat GPT epiphany is evidence that language
has shallow computational complexity.  We're surprised because we imagined
it was deep and irreducible, but we just kept spreading the data and it
finally all snapped into focus.  And the "deep learning" labelling confuses
the issue.  Yes, they're architecturally deep neural nets, but it's really
a very simple computation being done over and over again.  It's not deep as
in profound, it's deep because we needed somewhere to stack all the layers.

-- rec --

On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 7:22 AM Eric Charles 
wrote:

> I am particularly impressed that at the end there it doubled down on
> having the *wrong *title for Nick's publication.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 4:20 PM  wrote:
>
>> Stunning!  How do you know if ChatCBT is lying; it’s steely lips are
>> moving.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2023 1:23 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam@redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM
>>
>>
>>
>> Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?
>>
>>
>>
>> ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing
>> Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at the
>> Santa Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the study of
>> complex systems. FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who
>> explore the use of mathematical models and computational methods to
>> understand complex systems and phenomena, with a focus on
>> infinite-dimensional systems. The group's research interests include
>> dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, and more. FRIAM's work
>> has contributed to a deeper understanding of various systems, such as
>> financial markets, climate models, and biological systems, among others.
>>
>>
>>
>> Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It is
>> organization of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe,
>> New Mexico, interested in applied complexity
>>
>>
>>
>> ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the Friday
>> Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a group of
>> complexity researchers and software developers who meet on Friday mornings
>> to discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The group is
>> open to anyone who is interested in the subject and is often attended by
>> researchers, academics, entrepreneurs, and professionals from a variety of
>> fields. The discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics,
>> including complex systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more.
>> The group provides a forum for members to share their ideas and learn from
>> each other in an informal setting over a cup of coffee. The Friday Morning
>> Applied Complexity Coffee Group is one of many examples of the vibrant
>> intellectual community in Santa Fe dedicated to the study of complex
>> systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> Me: Can you name some active members?
>>
>>
>>
>> ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence language model, I
>> don't have access to real-time information on the current membership of the
>> Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. The group is a community of
>> complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe who meet on a
>> regular basis to discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity.
>> The membership of the group is fluid, with new members joining and others
>> moving on as their interests and circumstances change. If you are
>> interested in learning more about the group, you might be able to find more
>> information on their website or through social media channels.
>> Alternatively, you could try reaching out to the Santa Fe Institute, which
>> has connections with many researchers and organizations in the Santa Fe
>> area.
>>
>>
>>
>> Me: Nicholas Thompson, Eric Charles, Glen Ropella and Frank Wimberly are
>> part of this group. What do you know about them?
>>
>>
>>
>> ChatGPT: Nicholas Thompson is the Editor-in-Chief of Wired Magazine,
>> which covers a wide range of topics related to technology, science, and
>> culture. Prior to his current position at Wired, he was a senior editor at
>> the magazine and worked as a reporter for The New Yorker and Legal T

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[Eric Charles]

I am particularly impressed that at the end there it doubled down on having
the *wrong *title for Nick's publication.

[image: image.png]


On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 4:20 PM  wrote:

> Stunning!  How do you know if ChatCBT is lying; it’s steely lips are
> moving.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2023 1:23 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM
>
>
>
> Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?
>
>
>
> ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing
> Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at the
> Santa Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the study of
> complex systems. FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who
> explore the use of mathematical models and computational methods to
> understand complex systems and phenomena, with a focus on
> infinite-dimensional systems. The group's research interests include
> dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, and more. FRIAM's work
> has contributed to a deeper understanding of various systems, such as
> financial markets, climate models, and biological systems, among others.
>
>
>
> Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It is
> organization of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe,
> New Mexico, interested in applied complexity
>
>
>
> ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the Friday
> Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a group of
> complexity researchers and software developers who meet on Friday mornings
> to discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The group is
> open to anyone who is interested in the subject and is often attended by
> researchers, academics, entrepreneurs, and professionals from a variety of
> fields. The discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics,
> including complex systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more.
> The group provides a forum for members to share their ideas and learn from
> each other in an informal setting over a cup of coffee. The Friday Morning
> Applied Complexity Coffee Group is one of many examples of the vibrant
> intellectual community in Santa Fe dedicated to the study of complex
> systems.
>
>
>
> Me: Can you name some active members?
>
>
>
> ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence language model, I
> don't have access to real-time information on the current membership of the
> Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. The group is a community of
> complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe who meet on a
> regular basis to discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity.
> The membership of the group is fluid, with new members joining and others
> moving on as their interests and circumstances change. If you are
> interested in learning more about the group, you might be able to find more
> information on their website or through social media channels.
> Alternatively, you could try reaching out to the Santa Fe Institute, which
> has connections with many researchers and organizations in the Santa Fe
> area.
>
>
>
> Me: Nicholas Thompson, Eric Charles, Glen Ropella and Frank Wimberly are
> part of this group. What do you know about them?
>
>
>
> ChatGPT: Nicholas Thompson is the Editor-in-Chief of Wired Magazine, which
> covers a wide range of topics related to technology, science, and culture.
> Prior to his current position at Wired, he was a senior editor at the
> magazine and worked as a reporter for The New Yorker and Legal Times.
> Thompson is also the author of "The Hawk and the Dove: Paul Nitze, George
> Kennan, and the History of the Cold War," a book that explores the history
> of the Cold War through the lives of two of its most prominent strategists.
>
>
>
> Eric Charles is the Vice President of Engineering at Descartes Labs, a
> geospatial data analytics company that leverages machine learning and
> artificial intelligence to analyze satellite imagery and other types of
> data. Charles has a background in computer science and has worked in
> various engineering and leadership roles at several technology companies,
> including Intel, Sun Microsystems, and Google.
>
>
>
> Glen Ropella is a computer scientist and engineer who has worked on a
> variety of projects related to computational modeling, artificial
> intelligence, and machine learning. He is currently a Senior Scientist at
> Los Alamos National Laboratory, where he is involved in research on complex
> systems and t

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[Gillian Densmore]

just for grins I tried asking chatgpt to make a guess where Atlantis was.
it went in circles and wouldn't even hazard a guess. Though, I thought one
of the more likely inspirations came from a mixture of  Minoa,Crete, and
ancient spain. Though plato puts even me to shame as a world class BSer.


On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 5:49 PM Gillian Densmore 
wrote:

> FWIW when I asked ChatGPT about a fundraiser/just good fun called
> "Karoling with a Klingon." I have hosted for many years up to covid. It got
> the part about singing in Klingon and that it was a regular thing dead on.
> But where it went off the rails a bit was claiming it was a record. That is
> unless one of the numerous attendees have recoded it and I hadn't noticed.
> It did say it has to go through the internet, I did, however, get a plug
> once from a solo singer ("the klingon pop warrior"). And I think she has
> done a record. My guess is that it tries to google/equivilant. That
> sumerises what it finds. and kind of mashes it together.
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 3:51 PM Steve Smith  wrote:
>
>> I'd say ChatGPT knows FriAM at least as well as Dr. Strangelove
>>  does ( though he's been pretty easy
>> on us the last few years ).
>>
>> I found myself trying to parse bits of ChatGPT's response.
>>
>> To begin, not only do I not know of any project or effort at SFI entitled
>> "Focusing Research on Infinite Automated Models" but Dr. Google doesn't
>> seem to have found any reference to such a group.  This makes me think that
>> ChatGPT recognized FRIAM as an acronym and fished around in the
>> concept-linguistic-space of the *prominent* scientific institution (SFI)
>> related Santa Fe.   I don't know what to think about how it parsed out
>> "Infinite Automated" into "infinite dimensional" models?   The whole
>> passage suggests to me that ChatGPT's prime goal Is in fact to generate
>> *credible* or *plausable* narratives rather than accurate ones?
>>
>> Fascinating that the specific binding of specifically named FriAM
>> luminaries to specific roles at specific institutions associated with Santa
>> Fe.  Without doing the research to find Dopplynms within those
>> organizations, I'm pretty sure that at least Wimberly and Ropella are
>> uncommon enough names so as not to have parallels at LANL and Descartes.
>> This supports my feeling that ChatGPT is tuned for "plausability" over
>> other utility functions...
>>
>> This aligns with the implications of Glen's reference to the distinction
>> between bullshitting and lying.   ChatGPT is a definitely a strident
>> bullshitter.  But then most scriptwriters, showrunners, and directors in
>> Hollywood and too many politicians can be considered that way as well?
>>
>> The general conception of FriAM as a rolling group of participants is at
>> least superficially accurate, though I don't see that we have that much
>> turnover, nor does ChatGPT seem to recognize that our physical meetups
>> are/were the tip of the iceberg (tail of the dog) for the last umpteen
>> years...
>>
>> Also without looking I didn't know that there is a Nick Thompson who is
>> Editor-in-Chief of Wired, but take it for granted that this level of
>> specificity in the face of Wired Mag. being not particularly correlated
>> with Santa Fe suggests there IS and the BS factor comes in by being willing
>> to *assert* that these are the same Nick Thompson's with only the thinnest
>> of circumstantial evidence.
>>
>> The Eric Charles reference also seems specific enough to suggest that
>> there is a true dopplenym there.
>>
>> I was surprised by the error-of-attribution ChatGPT made to itself,
>> accusing itself of transposing "Vital" with "Mental" rather than to Jochen?
>>
>> Very well curated, interesting and relevant ChatGPT anecdote Jochen!
>>
>>
>> Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?
>> ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing
>> Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at the
>> Santa Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the study of
>> complex systems. FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who
>> explore the use of mathematical models and computational methods to
>> understand complex systems and phenomena, with a focus on
>> infinite-dimensional systems. The group's research interests include
>> dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, and more. FRIAM's work
>> has contributed to a deeper understanding of various systems, such as
>> financial markets, climate models, and biological systems, among others.
>>
>> Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It is
>> organization of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe,
>> New Mexico, interested in applied complexity
>>
>> ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the Friday
>> Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a group of
>> complexity researchers and software 

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[Gillian Densmore]

FWIW when I asked ChatGPT about a fundraiser/just good fun called "Karoling
with a Klingon." I have hosted for many years up to covid. It got the part
about singing in Klingon and that it was a regular thing dead on. But where
it went off the rails a bit was claiming it was a record. That is unless
one of the numerous attendees have recoded it and I hadn't noticed. It did
say it has to go through the internet, I did, however, get a plug once from
a solo singer ("the klingon pop warrior"). And I think she has done a
record. My guess is that it tries to google/equivilant. That sumerises what
it finds. and kind of mashes it together.

On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 3:51 PM Steve Smith  wrote:

> I'd say ChatGPT knows FriAM at least as well as Dr. Strangelove
>  does ( though he's been pretty easy on
> us the last few years ).
>
> I found myself trying to parse bits of ChatGPT's response.
>
> To begin, not only do I not know of any project or effort at SFI entitled
> "Focusing Research on Infinite Automated Models" but Dr. Google doesn't
> seem to have found any reference to such a group.  This makes me think that
> ChatGPT recognized FRIAM as an acronym and fished around in the
> concept-linguistic-space of the *prominent* scientific institution (SFI)
> related Santa Fe.   I don't know what to think about how it parsed out
> "Infinite Automated" into "infinite dimensional" models?   The whole
> passage suggests to me that ChatGPT's prime goal Is in fact to generate
> *credible* or *plausable* narratives rather than accurate ones?
>
> Fascinating that the specific binding of specifically named FriAM
> luminaries to specific roles at specific institutions associated with Santa
> Fe.  Without doing the research to find Dopplynms within those
> organizations, I'm pretty sure that at least Wimberly and Ropella are
> uncommon enough names so as not to have parallels at LANL and Descartes.
> This supports my feeling that ChatGPT is tuned for "plausability" over
> other utility functions...
>
> This aligns with the implications of Glen's reference to the distinction
> between bullshitting and lying.   ChatGPT is a definitely a strident
> bullshitter.  But then most scriptwriters, showrunners, and directors in
> Hollywood and too many politicians can be considered that way as well?
>
> The general conception of FriAM as a rolling group of participants is at
> least superficially accurate, though I don't see that we have that much
> turnover, nor does ChatGPT seem to recognize that our physical meetups
> are/were the tip of the iceberg (tail of the dog) for the last umpteen
> years...
>
> Also without looking I didn't know that there is a Nick Thompson who is
> Editor-in-Chief of Wired, but take it for granted that this level of
> specificity in the face of Wired Mag. being not particularly correlated
> with Santa Fe suggests there IS and the BS factor comes in by being willing
> to *assert* that these are the same Nick Thompson's with only the thinnest
> of circumstantial evidence.
>
> The Eric Charles reference also seems specific enough to suggest that
> there is a true dopplenym there.
>
> I was surprised by the error-of-attribution ChatGPT made to itself,
> accusing itself of transposing "Vital" with "Mental" rather than to Jochen?
>
> Very well curated, interesting and relevant ChatGPT anecdote Jochen!
>
>
> Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?
> ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing
> Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at the
> Santa Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the study of
> complex systems. FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who
> explore the use of mathematical models and computational methods to
> understand complex systems and phenomena, with a focus on
> infinite-dimensional systems. The group's research interests include
> dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, and more. FRIAM's work
> has contributed to a deeper understanding of various systems, such as
> financial markets, climate models, and biological systems, among others.
>
> Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It is
> organization of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe,
> New Mexico, interested in applied complexity
>
> ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the Friday
> Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a group of
> complexity researchers and software developers who meet on Friday mornings
> to discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The group is
> open to anyone who is interested in the subject and is often attended by
> researchers, academics, entrepreneurs, and professionals from a variety of
> fields. The discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics,
> including complex systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more.
> The group provides a forum for 

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[Steve Smith]

My head is too fuzzy right now (inside as well as out) to conjure the 
details, but when Descartes launched I think I knew some of the LANL 
crew from the Visual Cortex Modeling efforts (LANL and NM Institute) and 
believe that the intellectual/algorithmic legacy included the GENIE 
 
"image segmentation-by-example" algorithms/software developed in the 90s 
which I think of as an alpha/proto-typing of the kind of machine 
learning that DALL-E and other image-based generators are based in.


I've a young (well, 40ish now) friend who worked at a SFe startup on the 
same kind of technology which got gobbled up by a middle-sized fish out 
of Denver which got gobbled by Monsanto (about the time Descartes was 
spinning up?).  She stayed on with Monsanto for several years (under 
some shame/duress) but finally managed to jump ship to an open-data 
space-imaging company (whose name eludes my fuzzy head).   When she was 
still in her undergrad (Hydrogeology) I talked with her about GENIE and 
it's potential for more virtuous projects (like helping the Nature 
Conservancy with planning for the arc-of-evolution of micro-climates to 
help them prioritize their acquisitions).  My guess is that this is an 
easy no-brainer for such planning, even if we in fact have no financial 
motive for such.


This came back to me a lot while reading Kim Stanley Robinson's 
"Ministry for the Future" 
 and thinking 
about how much bias we (normally) have toward using 
science/engineering/tech to leverage exploitation (good of the few) vs 
leveraging regulation unto conservation (good of the many)?


After we get done generating silly NFT artpieces and cheating on our 
term papers with ChatGPT will we find a way to apply this technology to 
a virtuous exploration of the adjacent possible? What would that look 
like?   What means "virtuous"?  Does ChatGPT have a (consensus?  
popular?) notion of what IS virtuous?



On 2/21/23 4:08 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote:

I'm surprised that Nick didn't get an office at Descartes, too.

-- rec --

On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 2:29 PM Frank Wimberly  
wrote:


I am glad that ChatGPT ha promoted me to be CTO of Descartes Labs
because my motto is, "I think therefore I am."

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 2:16 PM Marcus Daniels
 wrote:

This actually sounds useful: https://lnkd.in/eJRBs_nZ


On Feb 21, 2023, at 12:25 PM, Jochen Fromm
 wrote:


Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?
ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM
(Focusing Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a
research group located at the Santa Fe Institute, a renowned
research center dedicated to the study of complex systems.
FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who explore
the use of mathematical models and computational methods to
understand complex systems and phenomena, with a focus on
infinite-dimensional systems. The group's research interests
include dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization,
and more. FRIAM's work has contributed to a deeper
understanding of various systems, such as financial markets,
climate models, and biological systems, among others.

Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee
Group. It is organization of complexity researchers and
software developers in Santa Fe, New Mexico, interested in
applied complexity

ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware
of the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in
Santa Fe. It is a group of complexity researchers and
software developers who meet on Friday mornings to discuss
and explore topics related to applied complexity. The group
is open to anyone who is interested in the subject and is
often attended by researchers, academics, entrepreneurs, and
professionals from a variety of fields. The discussions at
the group cover a wide range of topics, including complex
systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more. The
group provides a forum for members to share their ideas and
learn from each other in an informal setting over a cup of
coffee. The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group is
one of many examples of the vibrant intellectual community in
Santa Fe dedicated to the study of complex systems.

Me: Can you name some active members?

ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence
language model, I don't have access to real-time information
on the current 

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[Roger Critchlow]

I'm surprised that Nick didn't get an office at Descartes, too.

-- rec --

On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 2:29 PM Frank Wimberly  wrote:

> I am glad that ChatGPT ha promoted me to be CTO of Descartes Labs because
> my motto is, "I think therefore I am."
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 2:16 PM Marcus Daniels  wrote:
>
>> This actually sounds useful:   https://lnkd.in/eJRBs_nZ
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2023, at 12:25 PM, Jochen Fromm  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?
>>
>> ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing
>> Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at the
>> Santa Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the study of
>> complex systems. FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who
>> explore the use of mathematical models and computational methods to
>> understand complex systems and phenomena, with a focus on
>> infinite-dimensional systems. The group's research interests include
>> dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, and more. FRIAM's work
>> has contributed to a deeper understanding of various systems, such as
>> financial markets, climate models, and biological systems, among others.
>>
>> Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It is
>> organization of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe,
>> New Mexico, interested in applied complexity
>>
>> ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the Friday
>> Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a group of
>> complexity researchers and software developers who meet on Friday mornings
>> to discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The group is
>> open to anyone who is interested in the subject and is often attended by
>> researchers, academics, entrepreneurs, and professionals from a variety of
>> fields. The discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics,
>> including complex systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more.
>> The group provides a forum for members to share their ideas and learn from
>> each other in an informal setting over a cup of coffee. The Friday Morning
>> Applied Complexity Coffee Group is one of many examples of the vibrant
>> intellectual community in Santa Fe dedicated to the study of complex
>> systems.
>>
>> Me: Can you name some active members?
>>
>> ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence language model, I
>> don't have access to real-time information on the current membership of the
>> Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. The group is a community of
>> complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe who meet on a
>> regular basis to discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity.
>> The membership of the group is fluid, with new members joining and others
>> moving on as their interests and circumstances change. If you are
>> interested in learning more about the group, you might be able to find more
>> information on their website or through social media channels.
>> Alternatively, you could try reaching out to the Santa Fe Institute, which
>> has connections with many researchers and organizations in the Santa Fe
>> area.
>>
>> Me: Nicholas Thompson, Eric Charles, Glen Ropella and Frank Wimberly are
>> part of this group. What do you know about them?
>>
>> ChatGPT: Nicholas Thompson is the Editor-in-Chief of Wired Magazine,
>> which covers a wide range of topics related to technology, science, and
>> culture. Prior to his current position at Wired, he was a senior editor at
>> the magazine and worked as a reporter for The New Yorker and Legal Times.
>> Thompson is also the author of "The Hawk and the Dove: Paul Nitze, George
>> Kennan, and the History of the Cold War," a book that explores the history
>> of the Cold War through the lives of two of its most prominent strategists.
>>
>> Eric Charles is the Vice President of Engineering at Descartes Labs, a
>> geospatial data analytics company that leverages machine learning and
>> artificial intelligence to analyze satellite imagery and other types of
>> data. Charles has a background in computer science and has worked in
>> various engineering and leadership roles at several technology companies,
>> including Intel, Sun Microsystems, and Google.
>>
>> Glen Ropella is a computer scientist and engineer who has worked on a
>> variety of projects related to computational modeling, artificial
>> intelligence, and machine learning. He is currently a Senior Scientist at
>> Los Alamos National Laboratory, where he is involved in research on complex
>> systems and their applications to national security and other areas.
>>
>> Frank Wimberly is a software engineer and entrepreneur who has worked in
>> various roles in the technology industry, including as a software engineer
>> at Yahoo and as the founder of a 

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[Steve Smith]

I'd say ChatGPT knows FriAM at least as well as Dr. Strangelove 
 does ( though he's been pretty easy 
on us the last few years ).


I found myself trying to parse bits of ChatGPT's response.

To begin, not only do I not know of any project or effort at SFI 
entitled "Focusing Research on Infinite Automated Models" but Dr. Google 
doesn't seem to have found any reference to such a group. This makes me 
think that ChatGPT recognized FRIAM as an acronym and fished around in 
the concept-linguistic-space of the *prominent* scientific institution 
(SFI) related Santa Fe.   I don't know what to think about how it parsed 
out "Infinite Automated" into "infinite dimensional" models?   The whole 
passage suggests to me that ChatGPT's prime goal Is in fact to generate 
*credible* or *plausable* narratives rather than accurate ones?


Fascinating that the specific binding of specifically named FriAM 
luminaries to specific roles at specific institutions associated with 
Santa Fe.  Without doing the research to find Dopplynms within those 
organizations, I'm pretty sure that at least Wimberly and Ropella are 
uncommon enough names so as not to have parallels at LANL and 
Descartes.   This supports my feeling that ChatGPT is tuned for 
"plausability" over other utility functions...


This aligns with the implications of Glen's reference to the distinction 
between bullshitting and lying.   ChatGPT is a definitely a strident 
bullshitter.  But then most scriptwriters, showrunners, and directors in 
Hollywood and too many politicians can be considered that way as well?


The general conception of FriAM as a rolling group of participants is at 
least superficially accurate, though I don't see that we have that much 
turnover, nor does ChatGPT seem to recognize that our physical meetups 
are/were the tip of the iceberg (tail of the dog) for the last umpteen 
years...


Also without looking I didn't know that there is a Nick Thompson who is 
Editor-in-Chief of Wired, but take it for granted that this level of 
specificity in the face of Wired Mag. being not particularly correlated 
with Santa Fe suggests there IS and the BS factor comes in by being 
willing to *assert* that these are the same Nick Thompson's with only 
the thinnest of circumstantial evidence.


The Eric Charles reference also seems specific enough to suggest that 
there is a true dopplenym there.


I was surprised by the error-of-attribution ChatGPT made to itself, 
accusing itself of transposing "Vital" with "Mental" rather than to Jochen?


Very well curated, interesting and relevant ChatGPT anecdote Jochen!



Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?
ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM 
(Focusing Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group 
located at the Santa Fe Institute, a renowned research center 
dedicated to the study of complex systems. FRIAM is a group of 
interdisciplinary researchers who explore the use of mathematical 
models and computational methods to understand complex systems and 
phenomena, with a focus on infinite-dimensional systems. The group's 
research interests include dynamical systems, machine learning, 
optimization, and more. FRIAM's work has contributed to a deeper 
understanding of various systems, such as financial markets, climate 
models, and biological systems, among others.


Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It 
is organization of complexity researchers and software developers in 
Santa Fe, New Mexico, interested in applied complexity


ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the 
Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a 
group of complexity researchers and software developers who meet on 
Friday mornings to discuss and explore topics related to applied 
complexity. The group is open to anyone who is interested in the 
subject and is often attended by researchers, academics, 
entrepreneurs, and professionals from a variety of fields. The 
discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics, including 
complex systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more. The 
group provides a forum for members to share their ideas and learn from 
each other in an informal setting over a cup of coffee. The Friday 
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group is one of many examples of the 
vibrant intellectual community in Santa Fe dedicated to the study of 
complex systems.


Me: Can you name some active members?

ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence language model, 
I don't have access to real-time information on the current membership 
of the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. The group is a 
community of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa 
Fe who meet on a regular basis to discuss and explore topics related 
to applied complexity. The membership of the group is fluid, with new 
members joining and others moving 

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[Jochen Fromm]

:-) There is an article from Terrence Sejnowski that argues what appears to be 
intelligence in LLMs may in fact be a mirror that reflects the intelligence of 
the interviewer.https://arxiv.org/abs/2207.14382Similar to Herbert Simon who 
said in "The Sciences of the Artificial": "An ant, viewed as a behaving system, 
is quite simple. The apparent complexity of its behavior over time is largely a 
reflection of the complexity of the environment in which it finds itself"-J.
 Original message From: glen  Date: 
2/21/23  10:48 PM  (GMT+01:00) To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] 
ChatGPT knows FRIAM 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit#Lying_and_bullshitOn 2/21/23 13:20, 
thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:> Stunning!  How do you know if ChatCBT is lying; 
it’s steely lips are moving.> > Nick> > *From:* Friam 
 *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm> *Sent:* Tuesday, 
February 21, 2023 1:23 PM> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee 
Group > *Subject:* [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM> > Me: Do you 
know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?> > > > ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM 
group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a 
research group located at the Santa Fe Institute, a renowned research center 
dedicated to the study of complex systems. FRIAM is a group of 
interdisciplinary researchers who explore the use of mathematical models and 
computational methods to understand complex systems and phenomena, with a focus 
on infinite-dimensional systems. The group's research interests include 
dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, and more. FRIAM's work has 
contributed to a deeper understanding of various systems, such as financial 
markets, climate models, and biological systems, among others.> > Me: No, I 
mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It is organization of 
complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe, New Mexico, 
interested in applied complexity> > ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. 
Yes, I'm also aware of the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in 
Santa Fe. It is a group of complexity researchers and software developers who 
meet on Friday mornings to discuss and explore topics related to applied 
complexity. The group is open to anyone who is interested in the subject and is 
often attended by researchers, academics, entrepreneurs, and professionals from 
a variety of fields. The discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics, 
including complex systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more. The 
group provides a forum for members to share their ideas and learn from each 
other in an informal setting over a cup of coffee. The Friday Morning Applied 
Complexity Coffee Group is one of many examples of the vibrant intellectual 
community in Santa Fe dedicated to the study of complex systems.> > Me: Can you 
name some active members?> > ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial 
intelligence language model, I don't have access to real-time information on 
the current membership of the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. 
The group is a community of complexity researchers and software developers in 
Santa Fe who meet on a regular basis to discuss and explore topics related to 
applied complexity. The membership of the group is fluid, with new members 
joining and others moving on as their interests and circumstances change. If 
you are interested in learning more about the group, you might be able to find 
more information on their website or through social media channels. 
Alternatively, you could try reaching out to the Santa Fe Institute, which has 
connections with many researchers and organizations in the Santa Fe area.> > 
Me: Nicholas Thompson, Eric Charles, Glen Ropella and Frank Wimberly are part 
of this group. What do you know about them?> > ChatGPT: Nicholas Thompson is 
the Editor-in-Chief of Wired Magazine, which covers a wide range of topics 
related to technology, science, and culture. Prior to his current position at 
Wired, he was a senior editor at the magazine and worked as a reporter for The 
New Yorker and Legal Times. Thompson is also the author of "The Hawk and the 
Dove: Paul Nitze, George Kennan, and the History of the Cold War," a book that 
explores the history of the Cold War through the lives of two of its most 
prominent strategists.> > Eric Charles is the Vice President of Engineering at 
Descartes Labs, a geospatial data analytics company that leverages machine 
learning and artificial intelligence to analyze satellite imagery and other 
types of data. Charles has a background in computer science and has worked in 
various engineering and leadership roles at several technology companies, 
including Intel, Sun Microsystems, and Google.> > Glen Ropella is a computer 
scientist and engineer who has worked on a

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[glen]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit#Lying_and_bullshit

On 2/21/23 13:20, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:

Stunning!  How do you know if ChatCBT is lying; it’s steely lips are moving.

Nick

*From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2023 1:23 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
*Subject:* [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?



ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing 
Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at the Santa 
Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the study of complex 
systems. FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who explore the use 
of mathematical models and computational methods to understand complex systems 
and phenomena, with a focus on infinite-dimensional systems. The group's 
research interests include dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, 
and more. FRIAM's work has contributed to a deeper understanding of various 
systems, such as financial markets, climate models, and biological systems, 
among others.

Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It is 
organization of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe, New 
Mexico, interested in applied complexity

ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the Friday 
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a group of 
complexity researchers and software developers who meet on Friday mornings to 
discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The group is open to 
anyone who is interested in the subject and is often attended by researchers, 
academics, entrepreneurs, and professionals from a variety of fields. The 
discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics, including complex 
systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more. The group provides a 
forum for members to share their ideas and learn from each other in an informal 
setting over a cup of coffee. The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee 
Group is one of many examples of the vibrant intellectual community in Santa Fe 
dedicated to the study of complex systems.

Me: Can you name some active members?

ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence language model, I don't 
have access to real-time information on the current membership of the Friday 
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. The group is a community of complexity 
researchers and software developers in Santa Fe who meet on a regular basis to 
discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The membership of the 
group is fluid, with new members joining and others moving on as their 
interests and circumstances change. If you are interested in learning more 
about the group, you might be able to find more information on their website or 
through social media channels. Alternatively, you could try reaching out to the 
Santa Fe Institute, which has connections with many researchers and 
organizations in the Santa Fe area.

Me: Nicholas Thompson, Eric Charles, Glen Ropella and Frank Wimberly are part 
of this group. What do you know about them?

ChatGPT: Nicholas Thompson is the Editor-in-Chief of Wired Magazine, which covers a wide 
range of topics related to technology, science, and culture. Prior to his current 
position at Wired, he was a senior editor at the magazine and worked as a reporter for 
The New Yorker and Legal Times. Thompson is also the author of "The Hawk and the 
Dove: Paul Nitze, George Kennan, and the History of the Cold War," a book that 
explores the history of the Cold War through the lives of two of its most prominent 
strategists.

Eric Charles is the Vice President of Engineering at Descartes Labs, a 
geospatial data analytics company that leverages machine learning and 
artificial intelligence to analyze satellite imagery and other types of data. 
Charles has a background in computer science and has worked in various 
engineering and leadership roles at several technology companies, including 
Intel, Sun Microsystems, and Google.

Glen Ropella is a computer scientist and engineer who has worked on a variety 
of projects related to computational modeling, artificial intelligence, and 
machine learning. He is currently a Senior Scientist at Los Alamos National 
Laboratory, where he is involved in research on complex systems and their 
applications to national security and other areas.

Frank Wimberly is a software engineer and entrepreneur who has worked in 
various roles in the technology industry, including as a software engineer at 
Yahoo and as the founder of a startup focused on data analytics. He is 
currently the CTO of Descartes Labs, where he leads the company's efforts to 
develop and apply advanced machine learning and artificial intelligence 
techniques to geospatial data.

It's worth noting that while these individuals have been associated with t

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[Frank Wimberly]

I am glad that ChatGPT ha promoted me to be CTO of Descartes Labs because
my motto is, "I think therefore I am."

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Frank C. Wimberly
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Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 2:16 PM Marcus Daniels  wrote:

> This actually sounds useful:   https://lnkd.in/eJRBs_nZ
>
> On Feb 21, 2023, at 12:25 PM, Jochen Fromm  wrote:
>
> 
> Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?
>
> ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing
> Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at the
> Santa Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the study of
> complex systems. FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who
> explore the use of mathematical models and computational methods to
> understand complex systems and phenomena, with a focus on
> infinite-dimensional systems. The group's research interests include
> dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, and more. FRIAM's work
> has contributed to a deeper understanding of various systems, such as
> financial markets, climate models, and biological systems, among others.
>
> Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It is
> organization of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe,
> New Mexico, interested in applied complexity
>
> ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the Friday
> Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a group of
> complexity researchers and software developers who meet on Friday mornings
> to discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The group is
> open to anyone who is interested in the subject and is often attended by
> researchers, academics, entrepreneurs, and professionals from a variety of
> fields. The discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics,
> including complex systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more.
> The group provides a forum for members to share their ideas and learn from
> each other in an informal setting over a cup of coffee. The Friday Morning
> Applied Complexity Coffee Group is one of many examples of the vibrant
> intellectual community in Santa Fe dedicated to the study of complex
> systems.
>
> Me: Can you name some active members?
>
> ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence language model, I
> don't have access to real-time information on the current membership of the
> Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. The group is a community of
> complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe who meet on a
> regular basis to discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity.
> The membership of the group is fluid, with new members joining and others
> moving on as their interests and circumstances change. If you are
> interested in learning more about the group, you might be able to find more
> information on their website or through social media channels.
> Alternatively, you could try reaching out to the Santa Fe Institute, which
> has connections with many researchers and organizations in the Santa Fe
> area.
>
> Me: Nicholas Thompson, Eric Charles, Glen Ropella and Frank Wimberly are
> part of this group. What do you know about them?
>
> ChatGPT: Nicholas Thompson is the Editor-in-Chief of Wired Magazine, which
> covers a wide range of topics related to technology, science, and culture.
> Prior to his current position at Wired, he was a senior editor at the
> magazine and worked as a reporter for The New Yorker and Legal Times.
> Thompson is also the author of "The Hawk and the Dove: Paul Nitze, George
> Kennan, and the History of the Cold War," a book that explores the history
> of the Cold War through the lives of two of its most prominent strategists.
>
> Eric Charles is the Vice President of Engineering at Descartes Labs, a
> geospatial data analytics company that leverages machine learning and
> artificial intelligence to analyze satellite imagery and other types of
> data. Charles has a background in computer science and has worked in
> various engineering and leadership roles at several technology companies,
> including Intel, Sun Microsystems, and Google.
>
> Glen Ropella is a computer scientist and engineer who has worked on a
> variety of projects related to computational modeling, artificial
> intelligence, and machine learning. He is currently a Senior Scientist at
> Los Alamos National Laboratory, where he is involved in research on complex
> systems and their applications to national security and other areas.
>
> Frank Wimberly is a software engineer and entrepreneur who has worked in
> various roles in the technology industry, including as a software engineer
> at Yahoo and as the founder of a startup focused on data analytics. He is
> currently the CTO of Descartes Labs, where he leads the company's efforts
> to develop and apply advanced machine learning and artificial intelligence
> techniques to geospatial data.
>
> 

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[thompnickson2]

Stunning!  How do you know if ChatCBT is lying; it’s steely lips are moving.  

Nick 

 

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2023 1:23 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

 

Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?





ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing 
Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at the Santa 
Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the study of complex 
systems. FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who explore the use 
of mathematical models and computational methods to understand complex systems 
and phenomena, with a focus on infinite-dimensional systems. The group's 
research interests include dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, 
and more. FRIAM's work has contributed to a deeper understanding of various 
systems, such as financial markets, climate models, and biological systems, 
among others.

 

Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It is 
organization of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe, New 
Mexico, interested in applied complexity

 

ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the Friday 
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a group of 
complexity researchers and software developers who meet on Friday mornings to 
discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The group is open to 
anyone who is interested in the subject and is often attended by researchers, 
academics, entrepreneurs, and professionals from a variety of fields. The 
discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics, including complex 
systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more. The group provides a 
forum for members to share their ideas and learn from each other in an informal 
setting over a cup of coffee. The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee 
Group is one of many examples of the vibrant intellectual community in Santa Fe 
dedicated to the study of complex systems.

 

Me: Can you name some active members? 

 

ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence language model, I don't 
have access to real-time information on the current membership of the Friday 
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. The group is a community of complexity 
researchers and software developers in Santa Fe who meet on a regular basis to 
discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The membership of the 
group is fluid, with new members joining and others moving on as their 
interests and circumstances change. If you are interested in learning more 
about the group, you might be able to find more information on their website or 
through social media channels. Alternatively, you could try reaching out to the 
Santa Fe Institute, which has connections with many researchers and 
organizations in the Santa Fe area.

 

Me: Nicholas Thompson, Eric Charles, Glen Ropella and Frank Wimberly are part 
of this group. What do you know about them?

 

ChatGPT: Nicholas Thompson is the Editor-in-Chief of Wired Magazine, which 
covers a wide range of topics related to technology, science, and culture. 
Prior to his current position at Wired, he was a senior editor at the magazine 
and worked as a reporter for The New Yorker and Legal Times. Thompson is also 
the author of "The Hawk and the Dove: Paul Nitze, George Kennan, and the 
History of the Cold War," a book that explores the history of the Cold War 
through the lives of two of its most prominent strategists.

 

Eric Charles is the Vice President of Engineering at Descartes Labs, a 
geospatial data analytics company that leverages machine learning and 
artificial intelligence to analyze satellite imagery and other types of data. 
Charles has a background in computer science and has worked in various 
engineering and leadership roles at several technology companies, including 
Intel, Sun Microsystems, and Google.

 

Glen Ropella is a computer scientist and engineer who has worked on a variety 
of projects related to computational modeling, artificial intelligence, and 
machine learning. He is currently a Senior Scientist at Los Alamos National 
Laboratory, where he is involved in research on complex systems and their 
applications to national security and other areas.

 

Frank Wimberly is a software engineer and entrepreneur who has worked in 
various roles in the technology industry, including as a software engineer at 
Yahoo and as the founder of a startup focused on data analytics. He is 
currently the CTO of Descartes Labs, where he leads the company's efforts to 
develop and apply advanced machine learning and artificial intelligence 
techniques to geospatial data.

 

It's worth noting that while these individuals have been associated with the 
Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group at some point, their i

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[Marcus Daniels]

This actually sounds useful:   https://lnkd.in/eJRBs_nZ

On Feb 21, 2023, at 12:25 PM, Jochen Fromm  wrote:


Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?

ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing 
Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at the Santa 
Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the study of complex 
systems. FRIAM is a group of interdisciplinary researchers who explore the use 
of mathematical models and computational methods to understand complex systems 
and phenomena, with a focus on infinite-dimensional systems. The group's 
research interests include dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, 
and more. FRIAM's work has contributed to a deeper understanding of various 
systems, such as financial markets, climate models, and biological systems, 
among others.

Me: No, I mean the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It is 
organization of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe, New 
Mexico, interested in applied complexity

ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, I'm also aware of the Friday 
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa Fe. It is a group of 
complexity researchers and software developers who meet on Friday mornings to 
discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The group is open to 
anyone who is interested in the subject and is often attended by researchers, 
academics, entrepreneurs, and professionals from a variety of fields. The 
discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics, including complex 
systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more. The group provides a 
forum for members to share their ideas and learn from each other in an informal 
setting over a cup of coffee. The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee 
Group is one of many examples of the vibrant intellectual community in Santa Fe 
dedicated to the study of complex systems.

Me: Can you name some active members?

ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence language model, I don't 
have access to real-time information on the current membership of the Friday 
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. The group is a community of complexity 
researchers and software developers in Santa Fe who meet on a regular basis to 
discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. The membership of the 
group is fluid, with new members joining and others moving on as their 
interests and circumstances change. If you are interested in learning more 
about the group, you might be able to find more information on their website or 
through social media channels. Alternatively, you could try reaching out to the 
Santa Fe Institute, which has connections with many researchers and 
organizations in the Santa Fe area.

Me: Nicholas Thompson, Eric Charles, Glen Ropella and Frank Wimberly are part 
of this group. What do you know about them?

ChatGPT: Nicholas Thompson is the Editor-in-Chief of Wired Magazine, which 
covers a wide range of topics related to technology, science, and culture. 
Prior to his current position at Wired, he was a senior editor at the magazine 
and worked as a reporter for The New Yorker and Legal Times. Thompson is also 
the author of "The Hawk and the Dove: Paul Nitze, George Kennan, and the 
History of the Cold War," a book that explores the history of the Cold War 
through the lives of two of its most prominent strategists.

Eric Charles is the Vice President of Engineering at Descartes Labs, a 
geospatial data analytics company that leverages machine learning and 
artificial intelligence to analyze satellite imagery and other types of data. 
Charles has a background in computer science and has worked in various 
engineering and leadership roles at several technology companies, including 
Intel, Sun Microsystems, and Google.

Glen Ropella is a computer scientist and engineer who has worked on a variety 
of projects related to computational modeling, artificial intelligence, and 
machine learning. He is currently a Senior Scientist at Los Alamos National 
Laboratory, where he is involved in research on complex systems and their 
applications to national security and other areas.

Frank Wimberly is a software engineer and entrepreneur who has worked in 
various roles in the technology industry, including as a software engineer at 
Yahoo and as the founder of a startup focused on data analytics. He is 
currently the CTO of Descartes Labs, where he leads the company's efforts to 
develop and apply advanced machine learning and artificial intelligence 
techniques to geospatial data.

It's worth noting that while these individuals have been associated with the 
Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group at some point, their involvement 
with the group may have changed over time, as the group's membership is fluid 
and changes over time.

Me: The Nicholas Thompson I mean was Professor of Psychology and Biology at 
Clark University. Do 

[FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

[Jochen Fromm]

Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the 
FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing Research on Infinite Automated Models) 
is a research group located at the Santa Fe Institute, a renowned research 
center dedicated to the study of complex systems. FRIAM is a group of 
interdisciplinary researchers who explore the use of mathematical models and 
computational methods to understand complex systems and phenomena, with a focus 
on infinite-dimensional systems. The group's research interests include 
dynamical systems, machine learning, optimization, and more. FRIAM's work has 
contributed to a deeper understanding of various systems, such as financial 
markets, climate models, and biological systems, among others.Me: No, I mean 
the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. It is organization of 
complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe, New Mexico, 
interested in applied complexityChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. Yes, 
I'm also aware of the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group in Santa 
Fe. It is a group of complexity researchers and software developers who meet on 
Friday mornings to discuss and explore topics related to applied complexity. 
The group is open to anyone who is interested in the subject and is often 
attended by researchers, academics, entrepreneurs, and professionals from a 
variety of fields. The discussions at the group cover a wide range of topics, 
including complex systems, data science, artificial intelligence, and more. The 
group provides a forum for members to share their ideas and learn from each 
other in an informal setting over a cup of coffee. The Friday Morning Applied 
Complexity Coffee Group is one of many examples of the vibrant intellectual 
community in Santa Fe dedicated to the study of complex systems.Me: Can you 
name some active members? ChatGPT: I'm sorry, but as an artificial intelligence 
language model, I don't have access to real-time information on the current 
membership of the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group. The group is 
a community of complexity researchers and software developers in Santa Fe who 
meet on a regular basis to discuss and explore topics related to applied 
complexity. The membership of the group is fluid, with new members joining and 
others moving on as their interests and circumstances change. If you are 
interested in learning more about the group, you might be able to find more 
information on their website or through social media channels. Alternatively, 
you could try reaching out to the Santa Fe Institute, which has connections 
with many researchers and organizations in the Santa Fe area.Me: Nicholas 
Thompson, Eric Charles, Glen Ropella and Frank Wimberly are part of this group. 
What do you know about them?ChatGPT: Nicholas Thompson is the Editor-in-Chief 
of Wired Magazine, which covers a wide range of topics related to technology, 
science, and culture. Prior to his current position at Wired, he was a senior 
editor at the magazine and worked as a reporter for The New Yorker and Legal 
Times. Thompson is also the author of "The Hawk and the Dove: Paul Nitze, 
George Kennan, and the History of the Cold War," a book that explores the 
history of the Cold War through the lives of two of its most prominent 
strategists.Eric Charles is the Vice President of Engineering at Descartes 
Labs, a geospatial data analytics company that leverages machine learning and 
artificial intelligence to analyze satellite imagery and other types of data. 
Charles has a background in computer science and has worked in various 
engineering and leadership roles at several technology companies, including 
Intel, Sun Microsystems, and Google.Glen Ropella is a computer scientist and 
engineer who has worked on a variety of projects related to computational 
modeling, artificial intelligence, and machine learning. He is currently a 
Senior Scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, where he is involved in 
research on complex systems and their applications to national security and 
other areas.Frank Wimberly is a software engineer and entrepreneur who has 
worked in various roles in the technology industry, including as a software 
engineer at Yahoo and as the founder of a startup focused on data analytics. He 
is currently the CTO of Descartes Labs, where he leads the company's efforts to 
develop and apply advanced machine learning and artificial intelligence 
techniques to geospatial data.It's worth noting that while these individuals 
have been associated with the Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group at 
some point, their involvement with the group may have changed over time, as the 
group's membership is fluid and changes over time.Me: The Nicholas Thompson I 
mean was Professor of Psychology and Biology at Clark University. Do you know 
his work, for example his paper "Intentionality is the Mark of the Vital" 
?ChatGPT: I apologize for the confusion. I