Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

[gepr]

This article seems relevant:
http://evonomics.com/how-to-legally-own-another-person/

What he's describing as "employable" seems akin (though antithetic) to the
concept of "taboo". The one element that doesn't mesh is the
responsibility/accountability that accompanies freedom. The risks
associated with an ungrounded freedom, including whatever grounding a
monarch/genius might avoid tying themselves to, are always higher. What
made the tea partiers and "new libertarians" so silly is their
arbitrariness with respect to the authorities they admit and those they
rely upon. When I was a libertarian, most of us admitted the fact we'd
probably end up living in a broken van underneath a bridge. Our freedom was
borne out of our willingness to give everything for the ideal. New
"libertarians" are nothing more than slaves to the benefits they don't want
to pay for.
On Apr 7, 2016 9:15 AM, "glen"  wrote:

> On 04/06/2016 12:50 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
> > For those interested in authoritarianism, my favorite read is a classic
> published in 1993 ("The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power"). I'd
> call authors Joel Kramer and Diana Alstad spiritual realists. The book is
> mind-blowing. I thought they were fearless when they later took on
> Buddhism, but I don't think they ever published the essays (I have a copy.)
>
> That's an interesting looking book.  This review makes me want to read
> it:  http://www.johnhorgan.org/the_anti_gurus_15278.htm
>
> On 04/06/2016 02:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> > Trade a pope for a supreme court justice for a Nobel Laureate at some
> level it is all the same. Everyone has a price. defining `price’ broadly.
> Sure I’ll pull from the right on that list if push comes to shove. But I’d
> also say authoritarian leaders, or those that like people like them, want
> some agility in their authoritarianism. They want to see the exercise of
> Power; they don’t want to be bogged down in procedure. Get those leaders
> and the led together and sometimes they’ll get behind some strange rituals.
>
> On 04/06/2016 09:19 PM, Carl wrote:
> > Well, constitutions are tools of the current narrative.   Consider
> Article 9.   It's pressed into service depending on the story various
> authorities wants to reify.   One can consider what's on the paper and say
> oh that's pretty cool, but
>
> Right.  Both you and Marcus point out that any system can be gamed. And
> the winners of that game end up being the authority.  And Marcus points out
> that even the authoritarians want the authority to be dynamic in at least
> some sense (each authority and authoritarian may want a different kind of
> dynamism, but that's OK).  But the primary issue is, I think, not that an
> elite set of gamers exists (or will obtain eventually).  The primary issue
> is the _size_ of the elite, either in absolute terms and/or in proportion
> to the rest of the population (including other species and the planet).
>
> David Deutsch made this vague statement about good explanations being
> "hard to vary", in the sense that if you've got it right enough, precise
> enough, etc., then changing any given part of it, probably breaks it.  You
> can't willy nilly change a good theory.  You have to do it intelligently.
> The same would be said about an authority that was derived (as directly as
> possible) from the world, rather than being _imposed_ on the world.
>
> Currently, any constitution is more "derived from the world" than any
> Monarch or Genius because our scientific understanding of the mind is
> paltry.  So, a constitution, being a concrete artifact, allows _anyone_ who
> can make inferences from that artifact to play.  Constitutions allow for a
> large elite class because they're artifacts in the world.  If we could
> continue this process, making our constitutions more and more "of the
> world", then it could allow for larger and larger elite classes until,
> perhaps, the difference between those that can _use_ the law and those that
> are abused by the law is simply one of choice.  If you put in the hours,
> you too can be a law user.
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

[glen]

On 04/06/2016 12:50 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
> For those interested in authoritarianism, my favorite read is a classic 
> published in 1993 ("The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power"). I'd call 
> authors Joel Kramer and Diana Alstad spiritual realists. The book is 
> mind-blowing. I thought they were fearless when they later took on Buddhism, 
> but I don't think they ever published the essays (I have a copy.)

That's an interesting looking book.  This review makes me want to read it:  
http://www.johnhorgan.org/the_anti_gurus_15278.htm

On 04/06/2016 02:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> Trade a pope for a supreme court justice for a Nobel Laureate at some level 
> it is all the same. Everyone has a price. defining `price’ broadly. Sure I’ll 
> pull from the right on that list if push comes to shove. But I’d also say 
> authoritarian leaders, or those that like people like them, want some agility 
> in their authoritarianism. They want to see the exercise of Power; they don’t 
> want to be bogged down in procedure. Get those leaders and the led together 
> and sometimes they’ll get behind some strange rituals.

On 04/06/2016 09:19 PM, Carl wrote:
> Well, constitutions are tools of the current narrative.   Consider Article 9. 
>   It's pressed into service depending on the story various authorities wants 
> to reify.   One can consider what's on the paper and say oh that's pretty 
> cool, but

Right.  Both you and Marcus point out that any system can be gamed. And the 
winners of that game end up being the authority.  And Marcus points out that 
even the authoritarians want the authority to be dynamic in at least some sense 
(each authority and authoritarian may want a different kind of dynamism, but 
that's OK).  But the primary issue is, I think, not that an elite set of gamers 
exists (or will obtain eventually).  The primary issue is the _size_ of the 
elite, either in absolute terms and/or in proportion to the rest of the 
population (including other species and the planet).

David Deutsch made this vague statement about good explanations being "hard to 
vary", in the sense that if you've got it right enough, precise enough, etc., 
then changing any given part of it, probably breaks it.  You can't willy nilly 
change a good theory.  You have to do it intelligently.  The same would be said 
about an authority that was derived (as directly as possible) from the world, 
rather than being _imposed_ on the world.

Currently, any constitution is more "derived from the world" than any Monarch 
or Genius because our scientific understanding of the mind is paltry.  So, a 
constitution, being a concrete artifact, allows _anyone_ who can make 
inferences from that artifact to play.  Constitutions allow for a large elite 
class because they're artifacts in the world.  If we could continue this 
process, making our constitutions more and more "of the world", then it could 
allow for larger and larger elite classes until, perhaps, the difference 
between those that can _use_ the law and those that are abused by the law is 
simply one of choice.  If you put in the hours, you too can be a law user.


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Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

[Carl]

Well, constitutions are tools of the current narrative.   Consider 
Article 9.   It's pressed into service depending on the story various 
authorities wants to reify.   One can consider what's on the paper and 
say oh that's pretty cool, but


On 4/6/16 1:36 PM, gepr wrote:


It seems to me that authoritarianism can be fostered without an 
organismic authority (like a king or priest class). Isn't the "rule of 
law" or a constitution intended to objectify the authority? If that's 
the case, then the psychological manipulation from things like 
religion or capital punishment can/could eventually become unnecessary 
to achieve an authoritarian state.





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Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

[Marcus Daniels]

IMO it is not the ratcheting or inertia in technical legal thinking that 
bothers me, it is that ultimately decisions still fall into the hands of a 
small elite, albeit a different one.If no one believed that judges can 
steer society to the left or the right --  there would not be fights between 
the legislative and executive branches over supreme court nominees for 
non-technical reasons.The law is also an elaborate tool for controlling 
(and helping) people, and unfortunately often one that can only be wielded by 
those with vast resources.   Trade a pope for a supreme court justice for a 
Nobel Laureate at some level it is all the same.  Everyone has a price. 
defining `price’ broadly.  Sure I’ll pull from the right on that list if push 
comes to shove.  But I’d also say authoritarian leaders, or those that like 
people like them, want some agility in their authoritarianism.   They want to 
see the exercise of Power; they don’t want to be bogged down in procedure.   
Get those leaders and the led together and sometimes they’ll get behind some 
strange rituals.

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of gepr
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 1:37 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group ; 
c...@plektyx.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!


It seems to me that authoritarianism can be fostered without an organismic 
authority (like a king or priest class). Isn't the "rule of law" or a 
constitution intended to objectify the authority? If that's the case, then the 
psychological manipulation from things like religion or capital punishment 
can/could eventually become unnecessary to achieve an authoritarian state.

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Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

[Merle Lefkoff]

For those interested in authoritarianism, my favorite read is a classic
published in 1993 ("The Guru Papers:  Masks of Authoritarian Power").  I'd
call authors Joel Kramer and Diana Alstad spiritual realists.  The book is
mind-blowing.  I thought they were fearless when they later took on
Buddhism, but I don't think they ever published the essays (I have a copy.)

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:36 PM, gepr  wrote:

> It seems to me that authoritarianism can be fostered without an organismic
> authority (like a king or priest class). Isn't the "rule of law" or a
> constitution intended to objectify the authority? If that's the case, then
> the psychological manipulation from things like religion or capital
> punishment can/could eventually become unnecessary to achieve an
> authoritarian state.
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

[gepr]

It seems to me that authoritarianism can be fostered without an organismic
authority (like a king or priest class). Isn't the "rule of law" or a
constitution intended to objectify the authority? If that's the case, then
the psychological manipulation from things like religion or capital
punishment can/could eventually become unnecessary to achieve an
authoritarian state.

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Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

[Carl]

From this morning's news feed:  " More people were put to death in 
countries around the world last year than in any other year during the 
past quarter-century, Amnesty International said Tuesday."


On 4/6/16 10:31 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:


The intriguing thing to me is the evidence for coercion and religion 
co-evolving.Control mechanisms over a large population aren’t 
really feasible without manipulation.   The violence is a tool to 
serve that purpose, but not the main instrument, authoritarianism. 
  It must be that it takes some time to figure out how best to make 
people serve an imaginary master ,and chopping off some heads is an 
effective catalyst to get them thinking in the right direction.


*From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Merle 
Lefkoff

*Sent:* Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:10 AM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 


*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

Try Germany and the Holocaust in WWII.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:55 AM, cody dooderson <mailto:d00d3r...@gmail.com>> wrote:


My research on this subject is limited to reading the Lord of the
Flies in sixth grade, but are there any parallels to modern mass
incarceration?


Cody Smith

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Jochen Fromm mailto:j...@cas-group.net>> wrote:

It reminds me of the Aztec and Roman empires who sacrificed
and crucified people. In the Near East some groups like the
Phoenicians even sacrificed children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice

I'm not aware of any human sacrifice in Ancient Egypt or
Mesopotamia. The Egyptians practiced of course sacrifice for
the gods and the dead in form of food. One could say
sacrifices were an early form of taxes.

Jochen

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 Original message 

From: glen mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>>

Date: 4/5/16 17:13 (GMT+01:00)

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
mailto:friam@redfish.com>>

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!


I couldn't help but be reminded of the "72 virgins" martyr
meme in Jihad, as well as our own military (where it seems
soldiers tend to be working class and officers tend to be
middle-upper class) when I read this part:

> Ethnographic descriptions highlight that the sacrificial
victims were typically of low social status, such as slaves,
and the instigators were of high social status, such as
priests and chiefs 3,4,27 .

Religious exaltation and economic relief might produce a
pretty powerful combination for manipulating people into
"taking one for the team".


On 04/05/2016 05:03 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> Thanks, Marcus, now we know how to get things sorted out
here on FRIAM,
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Marcus Daniels
mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>
<mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>>>
wrote:
>
> http://goo.gl/OcUVLV

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Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

[Marcus Daniels]

The intriguing thing to me is the evidence for coercion and religion 
co-evolving.Control mechanisms over a large population aren’t really 
feasible without manipulation.   The violence is a tool to serve that purpose, 
but not the main instrument, authoritarianism.   It must be that it takes some 
time to figure out how best to make people serve an imaginary master ,and 
chopping off some heads is an effective catalyst to get them thinking in the 
right direction.

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 10:10 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

Try Germany and the Holocaust in WWII.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:55 AM, cody dooderson 
mailto:d00d3r...@gmail.com>> wrote:
My research on this subject is limited to reading the Lord of the Flies in 
sixth grade, but are there any parallels to modern mass incarceration?

Cody Smith

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Jochen Fromm 
mailto:j...@cas-group.net>> wrote:
It reminds me of the Aztec and Roman empires who sacrificed and crucified 
people. In the Near East some groups like the Phoenicians even sacrificed 
children.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice

I'm not aware of any human sacrifice in Ancient Egypt or Mesopotamia. The 
Egyptians practiced of course sacrifice for the gods and the dead in form of 
food. One could say sacrifices were an early form of taxes.

Jochen

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 Original message 
From: glen mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>>
Date: 4/5/16 17:13 (GMT+01:00)
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!


I couldn't help but be reminded of the "72 virgins" martyr meme in Jihad, as 
well as our own military (where it seems soldiers tend to be working class and 
officers tend to be middle-upper class) when I read this part:

> Ethnographic descriptions highlight that the sacrificial victims were 
> typically of low social status, such as slaves, and the instigators were of 
> high social status, such as priests and chiefs 3,4,27 .

Religious exaltation and economic relief might produce a pretty powerful 
combination for manipulating people into "taking one for the team".


On 04/05/2016 05:03 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> Thanks, Marcus, now we know how to get things sorted out here on FRIAM,
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Marcus Daniels 
> mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com> 
> <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com<mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>>> wrote:
>
> http://goo.gl/OcUVLV

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Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

[Merle Lefkoff]

Try Germany and the Holocaust in WWII.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:55 AM, cody dooderson  wrote:

> My research on this subject is limited to reading the Lord of the Flies in
> sixth grade, but are there any parallels to modern mass incarceration?
>
> Cody Smith
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Jochen Fromm  wrote:
>
>> It reminds me of the Aztec and Roman empires who sacrificed and crucified
>> people. In the Near East some groups like the Phoenicians even sacrificed
>> children.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice
>>
>> I'm not aware of any human sacrifice in Ancient Egypt or Mesopotamia. The
>> Egyptians practiced of course sacrifice for the gods and the dead in form
>> of food. One could say sacrifices were an early form of taxes.
>>
>> Jochen
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: glen 
>> Date: 4/5/16 17:13 (GMT+01:00)
>> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
>>
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!
>>
>>
>> I couldn't help but be reminded of the "72 virgins" martyr meme in Jihad,
>> as well as our own military (where it seems soldiers tend to be working
>> class and officers tend to be middle-upper class) when I read this part:
>>
>> > Ethnographic descriptions highlight that the sacrificial victims were
>> typically of low social status, such as slaves, and the instigators were of
>> high social status, such as priests and chiefs 3,4,27 .
>>
>> Religious exaltation and economic relief might produce a pretty powerful
>> combination for manipulating people into "taking one for the team".
>>
>>
>> On 04/05/2016 05:03 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
>> > Thanks, Marcus, now we know how to get things sorted out here on FRIAM,
>> >
>> > -- rec --
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Marcus Daniels > <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > http://goo.gl/OcUVLV
>>
>> --
>> --
>> ⊥ glen ⊥
>>
>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

[cody dooderson]

My research on this subject is limited to reading the Lord of the Flies in
sixth grade, but are there any parallels to modern mass incarceration?

Cody Smith

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:45 AM, Jochen Fromm  wrote:

> It reminds me of the Aztec and Roman empires who sacrificed and crucified
> people. In the Near East some groups like the Phoenicians even sacrificed
> children.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice
>
> I'm not aware of any human sacrifice in Ancient Egypt or Mesopotamia. The
> Egyptians practiced of course sacrifice for the gods and the dead in form
> of food. One could say sacrifices were an early form of taxes.
>
> Jochen
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>  Original message 
> From: glen 
> Date: 4/5/16 17:13 (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!
>
>
> I couldn't help but be reminded of the "72 virgins" martyr meme in Jihad,
> as well as our own military (where it seems soldiers tend to be working
> class and officers tend to be middle-upper class) when I read this part:
>
> > Ethnographic descriptions highlight that the sacrificial victims were
> typically of low social status, such as slaves, and the instigators were of
> high social status, such as priests and chiefs 3,4,27 .
>
> Religious exaltation and economic relief might produce a pretty powerful
> combination for manipulating people into "taking one for the team".
>
>
> On 04/05/2016 05:03 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> > Thanks, Marcus, now we know how to get things sorted out here on FRIAM,
> >
> > -- rec --
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Marcus Daniels  <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
> >
> > http://goo.gl/OcUVLV
>
> --
> --
> ⊥ glen ⊥
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

[Jochen Fromm]

It reminds me of the Aztec and Roman empires who sacrificed and crucified 
people. In the Near East some groups like the Phoenicians even sacrificed 
children.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sacrifice
I'm not aware of any human sacrifice in Ancient Egypt or Mesopotamia. The 
Egyptians practiced of course sacrifice for the gods and the dead in form of 
food. One could say sacrifices were an early form of taxes.
Jochen 
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: glen  Date: 
4/5/16  17:13  (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee 
Group  Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%! 

I couldn't help but be reminded of the "72 virgins" martyr meme in Jihad, as 
well as our own military (where it seems soldiers tend to be working class and 
officers tend to be middle-upper class) when I read this part:

> Ethnographic descriptions highlight that the sacrificial victims were 
> typically of low social status, such as slaves, and the instigators were of 
> high social status, such as priests and chiefs 3,4,27 .

Religious exaltation and economic relief might produce a pretty powerful 
combination for manipulating people into "taking one for the team".


On 04/05/2016 05:03 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> Thanks, Marcus, now we know how to get things sorted out here on FRIAM,
> 
> -- rec --
> 
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Marcus Daniels  <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
> 
> http://goo.gl/OcUVLV

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Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

[glen]

I couldn't help but be reminded of the "72 virgins" martyr meme in Jihad, as 
well as our own military (where it seems soldiers tend to be working class and 
officers tend to be middle-upper class) when I read this part:

> Ethnographic descriptions highlight that the sacrificial victims were 
> typically of low social status, such as slaves, and the instigators were of 
> high social status, such as priests and chiefs 3,4,27 .

Religious exaltation and economic relief might produce a pretty powerful 
combination for manipulating people into "taking one for the team".


On 04/05/2016 05:03 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
> Thanks, Marcus, now we know how to get things sorted out here on FRIAM,
> 
> -- rec --
> 
> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Marcus Daniels  > wrote:
> 
> http://goo.gl/OcUVLV

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Re: [FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

[Roger Critchlow]

Thanks, Marcus, now we know how to get things sorted out here on FRIAM,

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On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Marcus Daniels 
wrote:

> http://goo.gl/OcUVLV
>
>
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[FRIAM] Here's to the 1%!

[Marcus Daniels]

http://goo.gl/OcUVLV


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