Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[glen e p ropella]

On 03/16/2013 02:25 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> Although I must point out that our two ASCII emailers will never see this...

Actually, I did click on Arlo's links because I could _infer_ the
contents of the web pages by the URL, something I have trouble doing
with your URLs.

>> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:
>>
>>> fASCIIsm - Everything2.com 
>>> versus
>>> www.textfiles.com/100/whytext.oct
>>>
>>> -Arlo James Barnes


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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Douglas Roberts]

Although I must point out that our two ASCII emailers will never see this...


On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Bonus points for environmentally-friendly re-use of other people's rants,
> Arlo.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:
>
>> I propose a new, potentially lengthy discussion topic for FRIAM:  why,
>>> and/or why not plain ASCII text email readers are/are not superior to html
>>> readers.
>>> Points awarded for verbosity.
>>> Points detracted for succinctness.
>>> You have been advised.
>>>
>> What are the points awarded/detracted for using other people's arguments?
>>
>> fASCIIsm - Everything2.com 
>> versus
>> www.textfiles.com/100/whytext.oct
>>
>> -Arlo James Barnes
>>
>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Douglas Roberts]

Bonus points for environmentally-friendly re-use of other people's rants,
Arlo.


On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Arlo Barnes  wrote:

> I propose a new, potentially lengthy discussion topic for FRIAM:  why,
>> and/or why not plain ASCII text email readers are/are not superior to html
>> readers.
>> Points awarded for verbosity.
>> Points detracted for succinctness.
>> You have been advised.
>>
> What are the points awarded/detracted for using other people's arguments?
>
> fASCIIsm - Everything2.com 
> versus
> www.textfiles.com/100/whytext.oct
>
> -Arlo James Barnes
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Arlo Barnes]

>
> I propose a new, potentially lengthy discussion topic for FRIAM:  why,
> and/or why not plain ASCII text email readers are/are not superior to html
> readers.
> Points awarded for verbosity.
> Points detracted for succinctness.
> You have been advised.

What are the points awarded/detracted for using other people's arguments?

fASCIIsm - Everything2.com 
versus
www.textfiles.com/100/whytext.oct

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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Barry MacKichan]

Orfrom Scientific WorkPlace and Apple Mail.The above is a graphic. Scientific WorkPlace can also generate MathML, so the following method also works when the mail allows HTML. Apple Mail seems not to.--BarryIf the graphic doesn't appear inline, then maybe it's time to upgrade.On Feb 3, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
  

  
  
On 2/1/13 7:25 PM, Russell Standish
  wrote:


  Not convinced that HTML added anything useful ... Being able to
  typeset
  maths in email _would_ be useful, but so far HTML has completely
  failed at that problem. In the meantime, LaTeX encoding has grown
  to
  fill the void...

Hmm, sounds like a `cultural problem'... 


  
{

  
{

  x
  
→
"\[Rule]"
  
  
-

  3   
} 
  ,
  
{

  x
  
→
"\[Rule]"
  
  
3  
}  
}  


Above, in Mathematica, I ran:

ExportString[Solve[x^2 - 3 == 0,x],"MathML"]

You'll get a bunch of MathML:


  
   {
   
    
 {
 
  x
  
   →
   "\[Rule]"
  
  
   -
   
    3
   
  
 
 }
    
    ,
    
 {
 
  x
  
   →
   "\[Rule]"
  
  
   3
  
 
 }
    
   
   }
  
 

Now go into Thunderbird, and run Insert/HTML.   Cut and paste the
above in. 

Marcus
  

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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[glen e. p. ropella]

Heh, that was nice.  I usually have my client set to view the bodies as
plain text... but I must have been trying to view some marketing crap
when I last used it, because I'd left it on view as html, which allowed
me to see the render.  Personally, if everyone would use a fixed width
font, I might leave my client set to view bodies as html.  But I simply
can't stand proportional fonts.

Marcus G. Daniels wrote at 02/03/2013 01:02 PM:
> Hmm, sounds like a `cultural problem'...
> 
> { { x ? "\[Rule]" - 3 } , { x ? "\[Rule]" 3 } }
> 
> Above, in Mathematica, I ran:
> 
> ExportString[Solve[x^2 - 3 == 0,x],"MathML"]
> 
> You'll get a bunch of MathML:


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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Marcus G. Daniels]

On 2/1/13 7:25 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
Not convinced that HTML added anything useful ... Being able to 
typeset maths in email _would_ be useful, but so far HTML has 
completely failed at that problem. In the meantime, LaTeX encoding has 
grown to fill the void...

Hmm, sounds like a `cultural problem'...

{ { x ? "\[Rule]" - 3 } , { x ? "\[Rule]" 3 } }

Above, in Mathematica, I ran:

ExportString[Solve[x^2 - 3 == 0,x],"MathML"]

You'll get a bunch of MathML:


  
   {
   

 {
 
  x
  
   →
   encoding='Mathematica'>"\[Rule]"

  
  
   -
   
3
   
  
 
 }

,

 {
 
  x
  
   →
   encoding='Mathematica'>"\[Rule]"

  
  
   3
  
 
 }

   
   }
  
 

Now go into Thunderbird, and run Insert/HTML.   Cut and paste the above in.

Marcus

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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Douglas Roberts]

You know what, Steve?  I can happily live with that!

Happy Weekend to you!

--Doug


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:

>  Doug -
>
> I think I have you in a double bind, my early submission was a pretty
> succinct but verbose bit of commentary worthy only of me.   I'm guessing my
> points cancel and I get a big fat zero?
>
> - Steve
>
> I propose a new, potentially lengthy discussion topic for FRIAM:  why,
> and/or why not plain ascii text email readers are/are not superior to html
> readers.
>
>  Points awarded for verbosity.
>
>  Points detracted for succinctness.
>
>  You have been advised.
>
>  --Doug
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:
>
>>  I upgraded to "less" about 10 years ago, it makes it easier to scroll
>> through my mail backwards, more or less, though I think these days "more"
>> is just an alias to "less", more or less.
>>
>> Wow. I had forgotten that I was on a mailing list populated by dinosaurs.
>> Thanks for reminding me.  What do you use, Russ.  Mutt?  Or Pine? Or mail.
>>  Or do you just do "more" on /var/spool/mail?
>>
>>  :)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Russell Standish 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Think of the people who do not read their email in a web browser. I'm
>>> one of those, and I have my reasons (over and above just being a
>>> curmudgeon, of course). The procedure here is:
>>>
>>> 1. copy the link,
>>> 2. start a text editor
>>> 3. paste it into a text editor,
>>> 4. remove spurious line feeds and continuation characters from the URL
>>> 5. copy the URL again
>>> 6. open a web browser
>>> 7. select "open web location"
>>> 8. paste the URL
>>> 9. press return
>>>
>>> As Glen says, unless there is a brief summary of what the link is
>>> about *in the email text*, one just won't follow the link.
>>>
>>> Even worse are those emails that say "click here". Supposedly, the
>>> "here" is rendered as a hyperlink, but one doesn't even have a URL to
>>> begin with.
>>>
>>> :).
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:03:42PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Douglas Roberts >> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Well yes, but I'm afraid one, or at most two clicks are required.
>>>  Here's
>>> > > the procedure:
>>> > >
>>> > > 1) Click on the link (I know, you wanted to avoid that, but...)
>>> > > 2) Squint at just the first sentence or two. If
>>> > > 2) a. the article looks like something you might be interested in
>>> reading,
>>> > > open your eyes more fully and scan to the bottom. Alternatively, if
>>> > > 2) b. the article looks completely unappealing, click the little "x"
>>> > > symbol in the browser tab containing the offending verbiage.
>>> > > 3) Proceed on as you were.
>>> > > 4) #endif
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM, glen e. p. ropella <
>>> g...@tempusdictum.com>wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Is there any chance you could post a little blurb to go with these
>>> links
>>> > >> so that we don't have to click the link in order to find out
>>> whether or
>>> > >> not we want[ed] to click the link?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I've been rick-rolled enough to avoid clicking links with no
>>> blurbs. 8^)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Douglas Roberts wrote at 02/01/2013 01:35 PM:
>>> > >> > Two of them, actually.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/epic-fail.html
>>> > >> >
>>> > >>
>>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-natives-are-getting-restless.html
>>> > >>
>>> > >> --
>>> > >> glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 
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>>> > > * 
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Steve Smith]

Doug -

I think I have you in a double bind, my early submission was a pretty 
succinct but verbose bit of commentary worthy only of me. I'm guessing 
my points cancel and I get a big fat zero?


- Steve
I propose a new, potentially lengthy discussion topic for FRIAM:  why, 
and/or why not plain ascii text email readers are/are not superior to 
html readers.


Points awarded for verbosity.

Points detracted for succinctness.

You have been advised.

--Doug



On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Steve Smith > wrote:


I upgraded to "less" about 10 years ago, it makes it easier to
scroll through my mail backwards, more or less, though I think
these days "more" is just an alias to "less", more or less.

Wow. I had forgotten that I was on a mailing list populated by
dinosaurs. Thanks for reminding me.  What do you use, Russ.
 Mutt?  Or Pine? Or mail.  Or do you just do "more" on
/var/spool/mail?

:)


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Russell Standish
mailto:r.stand...@unsw.edu.au>> wrote:

Think of the people who do not read their email in a web
browser. I'm
one of those, and I have my reasons (over and above just being a
curmudgeon, of course). The procedure here is:

1. copy the link,
2. start a text editor
3. paste it into a text editor,
4. remove spurious line feeds and continuation characters
from the URL
5. copy the URL again
6. open a web browser
7. select "open web location"
8. paste the URL
9. press return

As Glen says, unless there is a brief summary of what the link is
about *in the email text*, one just won't follow the link.

Even worse are those emails that say "click here".
Supposedly, the
"here" is rendered as a hyperlink, but one doesn't even have
a URL to
begin with.

:).

On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:03:42PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> 
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Douglas Roberts
mailto:d...@parrot-farm.net>>wrote:
>
> > Well yes, but I'm afraid one, or at most two clicks are
required.  Here's
> > the procedure:
> >
> > 1) Click on the link (I know, you wanted to avoid that,
but...)
> > 2) Squint at just the first sentence or two. If
> > 2) a. the article looks like something you might be
interested in reading,
> > open your eyes more fully and scan to the bottom.
Alternatively, if
> > 2) b. the article looks completely unappealing, click the
little "x"
> > symbol in the browser tab containing the offending verbiage.
> > 3) Proceed on as you were.
> > 4) #endif
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM, glen e. p. ropella
mailto:g...@tempusdictum.com>>wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Is there any chance you could post a little blurb to go
with these links
> >> so that we don't have to click the link in order to find
out whether or
> >> not we want[ed] to click the link?
> >>
> >> I've been rick-rolled enough to avoid clicking links
with no blurbs. 8^)
> >>
> >> Douglas Roberts wrote at 02/01/2013 01:35 PM:
> >> > Two of them, actually.
> >> >
> >> > http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/epic-fail.html
> >> >
> >>

http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-natives-are-getting-restless.html
> >>
> >> --
> >> glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847 ,
http://tempusdictum.com
> >>
> >>
> >> 
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> >
> >
> > --
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> > d...@parrot-farm.net *
> >

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> > * 
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Douglas Roberts]

I propose a new, potentially lengthy discussion topic for FRIAM:  why,
and/or why not plain ascii text email readers are/are not superior to html
readers.

Points awarded for verbosity.

Points detracted for succinctness.

You have been advised.

--Doug



On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:

>  I upgraded to "less" about 10 years ago, it makes it easier to scroll
> through my mail backwards, more or less, though I think these days "more"
> is just an alias to "less", more or less.
>
> Wow. I had forgotten that I was on a mailing list populated by dinosaurs.
> Thanks for reminding me.  What do you use, Russ.  Mutt?  Or Pine? Or mail.
>  Or do you just do "more" on /var/spool/mail?
>
>  :)
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Russell Standish 
> wrote:
>
>> Think of the people who do not read their email in a web browser. I'm
>> one of those, and I have my reasons (over and above just being a
>> curmudgeon, of course). The procedure here is:
>>
>> 1. copy the link,
>> 2. start a text editor
>> 3. paste it into a text editor,
>> 4. remove spurious line feeds and continuation characters from the URL
>> 5. copy the URL again
>> 6. open a web browser
>> 7. select "open web location"
>> 8. paste the URL
>> 9. press return
>>
>> As Glen says, unless there is a brief summary of what the link is
>> about *in the email text*, one just won't follow the link.
>>
>> Even worse are those emails that say "click here". Supposedly, the
>> "here" is rendered as a hyperlink, but one doesn't even have a URL to
>> begin with.
>>
>> :).
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:03:42PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Douglas Roberts > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > Well yes, but I'm afraid one, or at most two clicks are required.
>>  Here's
>> > > the procedure:
>> > >
>> > > 1) Click on the link (I know, you wanted to avoid that, but...)
>> > > 2) Squint at just the first sentence or two. If
>> > > 2) a. the article looks like something you might be interested in
>> reading,
>> > > open your eyes more fully and scan to the bottom. Alternatively, if
>> > > 2) b. the article looks completely unappealing, click the little "x"
>> > > symbol in the browser tab containing the offending verbiage.
>> > > 3) Proceed on as you were.
>> > > 4) #endif
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM, glen e. p. ropella <
>> g...@tempusdictum.com>wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> Is there any chance you could post a little blurb to go with these
>> links
>> > >> so that we don't have to click the link in order to find out whether
>> or
>> > >> not we want[ed] to click the link?
>> > >>
>> > >> I've been rick-rolled enough to avoid clicking links with no blurbs.
>> 8^)
>> > >>
>> > >> Douglas Roberts wrote at 02/01/2013 01:35 PM:
>> > >> > Two of them, actually.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/epic-fail.html
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-natives-are-getting-restless.html
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> 
>> > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
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>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>>  > > *Doug Roberts
>> > > d...@parrot-farm.net*
>> > > *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<
>> http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins>
>> > > * 
>> > > 505-455-7333 - Office
>> > > 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *Doug Roberts
>> > d...@parrot-farm.net*
>> > *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<
>> http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins>
>> > * 
>> > 505-455-7333 - Office
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>>
>> --
>>
>> 
>> Prof Russell Standish  Phone 0425 253119 (mobile)
>> Principal, High Performance Coders
>> Visiting Professor of Mathematics  hpco...@hpcoders.com.au
>> University of New South Wales  http://www.hpcoders.com.au
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
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>
>
>
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> *
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Steve Smith]

I upgraded to "less" about 10 years ago, it makes it easier to scroll 
through my mail backwards, more or less, though I think these days 
"more" is just an alias to "less", more or less.
Wow. I had forgotten that I was on a mailing list populated by 
dinosaurs. Thanks for reminding me.  What do you use, Russ.  Mutt?  Or 
Pine? Or mail.  Or do you just do "more" on /var/spool/mail?


:)


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Russell Standish 
mailto:r.stand...@unsw.edu.au>> wrote:


Think of the people who do not read their email in a web browser. I'm
one of those, and I have my reasons (over and above just being a
curmudgeon, of course). The procedure here is:

1. copy the link,
2. start a text editor
3. paste it into a text editor,
4. remove spurious line feeds and continuation characters from the URL
5. copy the URL again
6. open a web browser
7. select "open web location"
8. paste the URL
9. press return

As Glen says, unless there is a brief summary of what the link is
about *in the email text*, one just won't follow the link.

Even worse are those emails that say "click here". Supposedly, the
"here" is rendered as a hyperlink, but one doesn't even have a URL to
begin with.

:).

On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:03:42PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> 
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Douglas Roberts
mailto:d...@parrot-farm.net>>wrote:
>
> > Well yes, but I'm afraid one, or at most two clicks are
required.  Here's
> > the procedure:
> >
> > 1) Click on the link (I know, you wanted to avoid that, but...)
> > 2) Squint at just the first sentence or two. If
> > 2) a. the article looks like something you might be interested
in reading,
> > open your eyes more fully and scan to the bottom.
Alternatively, if
> > 2) b. the article looks completely unappealing, click the
little "x"
> > symbol in the browser tab containing the offending verbiage.
> > 3) Proceed on as you were.
> > 4) #endif
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM, glen e. p. ropella
mailto:g...@tempusdictum.com>>wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Is there any chance you could post a little blurb to go with
these links
> >> so that we don't have to click the link in order to find out
whether or
> >> not we want[ed] to click the link?
> >>
> >> I've been rick-rolled enough to avoid clicking links with no
blurbs. 8^)
> >>
> >> Douglas Roberts wrote at 02/01/2013 01:35 PM:
> >> > Two of them, actually.
> >> >
> >> > http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/epic-fail.html
> >> >
> >>

http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-natives-are-getting-restless.html
> >>
> >> --
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http://tempusdictum.com
> >>
> >>
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Russell Standish]

On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 04:49:13PM -0700, Owen Densmore wrote:
> Bravo! Pure text is pure joy.
> 
> The "power users" destroyed email by adding more and more unnecessary
> stuff to it, "feature" upon "feature".  For a while the
> incompatibilities between mail clients were absurd.  

You mean like Outlook, and everybody else? Are there other email
clients that were as severely borked at supporting email standards as Outlook?

> Mime helped, and
> alas, HTML even more.

Not convinced that HTML added anything useful ... Being able to typeset
maths in email _would_ be useful, but so far HTML has completely
failed at that problem. In the meantime, LaTeX encoding has grown to
fill the void...

> 
> I guess we should be happy that mail didn't grow to include
> spreadsheets, powerpoint etc .. they are still "attachments".
> 

Ahh ... attachments. I received my first MSOffice document circa 1995,
but it wasn't until about 2003 that my main desktop computer had sufficient
grunt to run Open Office (maybe called StarOffice at the time) so as
to be able to effectively open and edit them. In the intervening 8
years, I had to beg someone to download and print the attachments,
make my edits on them with a pen, and fax the results back to the
original sender. True story.

> Interestingly enough, HTML helped boost the newly arrived computer
> users back into text editors rather than word processors.  This due to
> the sophisticated "programming" editors for HTML/CSS/Javascript.
> TextMate & Sublime are quite good and avoid the bloat of an IDE.  I
> was amazed to see the VI->VIM popularity.
> 
>-- Owen
> 
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Russell Standish  
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:59:23PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> > > Wow. I had forgotten that I was on a mailing list populated by dinosaurs.
> > > Thanks for reminding me.  What do you use, Russ.  Mutt?  Or Pine? Or mail.
> > >  Or do you just do "more" on /var/spool/mail?
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> >
> > I use mutt these days - since the early 00s. It has great threading
> > capability, good for reading these voluminous mailing lists. I was an
> > elm user, prior to that. I never got into pine - one of those reasons
> > I alluded to before was to use my editor of choice (emacs), which pine
> > didn't allow.
> >
> > Of course, you might ask why I don't use the builtin email reader in
> > emacs. I don't have a real answer to that - habit perhaps?
> >
> > Why do people think reading email as text is dinosaurian? I have tried
> > some HTML-based email clients for various work email scenarios - I
> > used Thunderbird for one job - which was OK for the work email, but
> > would fail miserably on those aforementioned mailing lists, and that
> > unmitigated disaster Outlook, which was mandated as the email client
> > for another of my employers.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > --
> >
> > 
> > Prof Russell Standish  Phone 0425 253119 (mobile)
> > Principal, High Performance Coders
> > Visiting Professor of Mathematics  hpco...@hpcoders.com.au
> > University of New South Wales  http://www.hpcoders.com.au
> > 
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Owen Densmore]

Bravo! Pure text is pure joy.

The "power users" destroyed email by adding more and more unnecessary
stuff to it, "feature" upon "feature".  For a while the
incompatibilities between mail clients were absurd.  Mime helped, and
alas, HTML even more.

I guess we should be happy that mail didn't grow to include
spreadsheets, powerpoint etc .. they are still "attachments".

Interestingly enough, HTML helped boost the newly arrived computer
users back into text editors rather than word processors.  This due to
the sophisticated "programming" editors for HTML/CSS/Javascript.
TextMate & Sublime are quite good and avoid the bloat of an IDE.  I
was amazed to see the VI->VIM popularity.

   -- Owen

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Russell Standish  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:59:23PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> > Wow. I had forgotten that I was on a mailing list populated by dinosaurs.
> > Thanks for reminding me.  What do you use, Russ.  Mutt?  Or Pine? Or mail.
> >  Or do you just do "more" on /var/spool/mail?
> >
> > :)
> >
>
> I use mutt these days - since the early 00s. It has great threading
> capability, good for reading these voluminous mailing lists. I was an
> elm user, prior to that. I never got into pine - one of those reasons
> I alluded to before was to use my editor of choice (emacs), which pine
> didn't allow.
>
> Of course, you might ask why I don't use the builtin email reader in
> emacs. I don't have a real answer to that - habit perhaps?
>
> Why do people think reading email as text is dinosaurian? I have tried
> some HTML-based email clients for various work email scenarios - I
> used Thunderbird for one job - which was OK for the work email, but
> would fail miserably on those aforementioned mailing lists, and that
> unmitigated disaster Outlook, which was mandated as the email client
> for another of my employers.
>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
> 
> Prof Russell Standish  Phone 0425 253119 (mobile)
> Principal, High Performance Coders
> Visiting Professor of Mathematics  hpco...@hpcoders.com.au
> University of New South Wales  http://www.hpcoders.com.au
> 
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Douglas Roberts]

>
> Of course, you might ask why I don't use the builtin email reader in
> emacs. I don't have a real answer to that - habit perhaps?
>

Yeah, I used to do that.  Back in the 80's

>
> Why do people think reading email as text is dinosaurian?
>

 Only because it is. But if it rox your sox, have at it!

>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
>
> 
> Prof Russell Standish  Phone 0425 253119 (mobile)
> Principal, High Performance Coders
> Visiting Professor of Mathematics  hpco...@hpcoders.com.au
> University of New South Wales  http://www.hpcoders.com.au
>
> 
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Russell Standish]

On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:59:23PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> Wow. I had forgotten that I was on a mailing list populated by dinosaurs.
> Thanks for reminding me.  What do you use, Russ.  Mutt?  Or Pine? Or mail.
>  Or do you just do "more" on /var/spool/mail?
> 
> :)
> 

I use mutt these days - since the early 00s. It has great threading
capability, good for reading these voluminous mailing lists. I was an
elm user, prior to that. I never got into pine - one of those reasons
I alluded to before was to use my editor of choice (emacs), which pine
didn't allow.

Of course, you might ask why I don't use the builtin email reader in
emacs. I don't have a real answer to that - habit perhaps?

Why do people think reading email as text is dinosaurian? I have tried
some HTML-based email clients for various work email scenarios - I
used Thunderbird for one job - which was OK for the work email, but
would fail miserably on those aforementioned mailing lists, and that
unmitigated disaster Outlook, which was mandated as the email client
for another of my employers.

Cheers

-- 


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Principal, High Performance Coders
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Douglas Roberts]

I can only imagine all the white-out carefully painted on your cathode ray
tube ascii terminals.


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Well, ok then: a synopsis:  Google has by now pissed off enough people by
> their lethargic, lackluster attention to serious bugs that were introduced
> into Android by them (they own Android, of course the introduced the bugs,
> duh) back in November last year.
>
> What's the bid deal?  wifi either doesn't work in many Android devices
> running 4.2, or it works very poorly: packet loss, inability to connect to
> different routers.
>
> Bluetooth doesn't work.
>
> Why is it important? Because lots of Android devices turned into bricks
> when they upgraded to 4.2, that's why.  Want to to know more? Do your
> quaint, archaic copy/paste url browser thing.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> Wow. I had forgotten that I was on a mailing list populated by dinosaurs.
>> Thanks for reminding me.  What do you use, Russ.  Mutt?  Or Pine? Or mail.
>>  Or do you just do "more" on /var/spool/mail?
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Russell Standish 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Think of the people who do not read their email in a web browser. I'm
>>> one of those, and I have my reasons (over and above just being a
>>> curmudgeon, of course). The procedure here is:
>>>
>>> 1. copy the link,
>>> 2. start a text editor
>>> 3. paste it into a text editor,
>>> 4. remove spurious line feeds and continuation characters from the URL
>>> 5. copy the URL again
>>> 6. open a web browser
>>> 7. select "open web location"
>>> 8. paste the URL
>>> 9. press return
>>>
>>> As Glen says, unless there is a brief summary of what the link is
>>> about *in the email text*, one just won't follow the link.
>>>
>>> Even worse are those emails that say "click here". Supposedly, the
>>> "here" is rendered as a hyperlink, but one doesn't even have a URL to
>>> begin with.
>>>
>>> :).
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:03:42PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Douglas Roberts >> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Well yes, but I'm afraid one, or at most two clicks are required.
>>>  Here's
>>> > > the procedure:
>>> > >
>>> > > 1) Click on the link (I know, you wanted to avoid that, but...)
>>> > > 2) Squint at just the first sentence or two. If
>>> > > 2) a. the article looks like something you might be interested in
>>> reading,
>>> > > open your eyes more fully and scan to the bottom. Alternatively, if
>>> > > 2) b. the article looks completely unappealing, click the little "x"
>>> > > symbol in the browser tab containing the offending verbiage.
>>> > > 3) Proceed on as you were.
>>> > > 4) #endif
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM, glen e. p. ropella <
>>> g...@tempusdictum.com>wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Is there any chance you could post a little blurb to go with these
>>> links
>>> > >> so that we don't have to click the link in order to find out
>>> whether or
>>> > >> not we want[ed] to click the link?
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I've been rick-rolled enough to avoid clicking links with no
>>> blurbs. 8^)
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Douglas Roberts wrote at 02/01/2013 01:35 PM:
>>> > >> > Two of them, actually.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/epic-fail.html
>>> > >> >
>>> > >>
>>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-natives-are-getting-restless.html
>>> > >>
>>> > >> --
>>> > >> glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 
>>> > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>>> > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>>> > >> to unsubscribe
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>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > --
>>> > > *Doug Roberts
>>> > > d...@parrot-farm.net*
>>> > > *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<
>>> http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins>
>>> > > * 
>>> > > 505-455-7333 - Office
>>> > > 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > *Doug Roberts
>>> > d...@parrot-farm.net*
>>> > *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<
>>> http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins>
>>> > * 
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>>>
>>> 
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>>> Principal, High Performance Coders
>>> Visiting Professor of Mathematics  hpco...@hpcoders.com.au
>>> University of New South Wales  http://www.hpcoders.com.au
>>

Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Douglas Roberts]

Well, ok then: a synopsis:  Google has by now pissed off enough people by
their lethargic, lackluster attention to serious bugs that were introduced
into Android by them (they own Android, of course the introduced the bugs,
duh) back in November last year.

What's the bid deal?  wifi either doesn't work in many Android devices
running 4.2, or it works very poorly: packet loss, inability to connect to
different routers.

Bluetooth doesn't work.

Why is it important? Because lots of Android devices turned into bricks
when they upgraded to 4.2, that's why.  Want to to know more? Do your
quaint, archaic copy/paste url browser thing.


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Wow. I had forgotten that I was on a mailing list populated by dinosaurs.
> Thanks for reminding me.  What do you use, Russ.  Mutt?  Or Pine? Or mail.
>  Or do you just do "more" on /var/spool/mail?
>
> :)
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Russell Standish 
> wrote:
>
>> Think of the people who do not read their email in a web browser. I'm
>> one of those, and I have my reasons (over and above just being a
>> curmudgeon, of course). The procedure here is:
>>
>> 1. copy the link,
>> 2. start a text editor
>> 3. paste it into a text editor,
>> 4. remove spurious line feeds and continuation characters from the URL
>> 5. copy the URL again
>> 6. open a web browser
>> 7. select "open web location"
>> 8. paste the URL
>> 9. press return
>>
>> As Glen says, unless there is a brief summary of what the link is
>> about *in the email text*, one just won't follow the link.
>>
>> Even worse are those emails that say "click here". Supposedly, the
>> "here" is rendered as a hyperlink, but one doesn't even have a URL to
>> begin with.
>>
>> :).
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:03:42PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Douglas Roberts > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > Well yes, but I'm afraid one, or at most two clicks are required.
>>  Here's
>> > > the procedure:
>> > >
>> > > 1) Click on the link (I know, you wanted to avoid that, but...)
>> > > 2) Squint at just the first sentence or two. If
>> > > 2) a. the article looks like something you might be interested in
>> reading,
>> > > open your eyes more fully and scan to the bottom. Alternatively, if
>> > > 2) b. the article looks completely unappealing, click the little "x"
>> > > symbol in the browser tab containing the offending verbiage.
>> > > 3) Proceed on as you were.
>> > > 4) #endif
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM, glen e. p. ropella <
>> g...@tempusdictum.com>wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >> Is there any chance you could post a little blurb to go with these
>> links
>> > >> so that we don't have to click the link in order to find out whether
>> or
>> > >> not we want[ed] to click the link?
>> > >>
>> > >> I've been rick-rolled enough to avoid clicking links with no blurbs.
>> 8^)
>> > >>
>> > >> Douglas Roberts wrote at 02/01/2013 01:35 PM:
>> > >> > Two of them, actually.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/epic-fail.html
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-natives-are-getting-restless.html
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> 
>> > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>> > >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > *Doug Roberts
>> > > d...@parrot-farm.net*
>> > > *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<
>> http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins>
>> > > * 
>> > > 505-455-7333 - Office
>> > > 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *Doug Roberts
>> > d...@parrot-farm.net*
>> > *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<
>> http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins>
>> > * 
>> > 505-455-7333 - Office
>> > 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
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>>
>> 
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>> Principal, High Performance Coders
>> Visiting Professor of Mathematics  hpco...@hpcoders.com.au
>> University of New South Wales  http://www.hpcoders.com.au
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Douglas Roberts]

Wow. I had forgotten that I was on a mailing list populated by dinosaurs.
Thanks for reminding me.  What do you use, Russ.  Mutt?  Or Pine? Or mail.
 Or do you just do "more" on /var/spool/mail?

:)


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Russell Standish wrote:

> Think of the people who do not read their email in a web browser. I'm
> one of those, and I have my reasons (over and above just being a
> curmudgeon, of course). The procedure here is:
>
> 1. copy the link,
> 2. start a text editor
> 3. paste it into a text editor,
> 4. remove spurious line feeds and continuation characters from the URL
> 5. copy the URL again
> 6. open a web browser
> 7. select "open web location"
> 8. paste the URL
> 9. press return
>
> As Glen says, unless there is a brief summary of what the link is
> about *in the email text*, one just won't follow the link.
>
> Even worse are those emails that say "click here". Supposedly, the
> "here" is rendered as a hyperlink, but one doesn't even have a URL to
> begin with.
>
> :).
>
> On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:03:42PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> > 
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Douglas Roberts  >wrote:
> >
> > > Well yes, but I'm afraid one, or at most two clicks are required.
>  Here's
> > > the procedure:
> > >
> > > 1) Click on the link (I know, you wanted to avoid that, but...)
> > > 2) Squint at just the first sentence or two. If
> > > 2) a. the article looks like something you might be interested in
> reading,
> > > open your eyes more fully and scan to the bottom. Alternatively, if
> > > 2) b. the article looks completely unappealing, click the little "x"
> > > symbol in the browser tab containing the offending verbiage.
> > > 3) Proceed on as you were.
> > > 4) #endif
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM, glen e. p. ropella <
> g...@tempusdictum.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Is there any chance you could post a little blurb to go with these
> links
> > >> so that we don't have to click the link in order to find out whether
> or
> > >> not we want[ed] to click the link?
> > >>
> > >> I've been rick-rolled enough to avoid clicking links with no blurbs.
> 8^)
> > >>
> > >> Douglas Roberts wrote at 02/01/2013 01:35 PM:
> > >> > Two of them, actually.
> > >> >
> > >> > http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/epic-fail.html
> > >> >
> > >>
> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-natives-are-getting-restless.html
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> glen e. p. ropella, 971-255-2847, http://tempusdictum.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 
> > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Russell Standish]

Think of the people who do not read their email in a web browser. I'm
one of those, and I have my reasons (over and above just being a
curmudgeon, of course). The procedure here is:

1. copy the link, 
2. start a text editor
3. paste it into a text editor, 
4. remove spurious line feeds and continuation characters from the URL
5. copy the URL again
6. open a web browser
7. select "open web location"
8. paste the URL
9. press return

As Glen says, unless there is a brief summary of what the link is
about *in the email text*, one just won't follow the link.

Even worse are those emails that say "click here". Supposedly, the
"here" is rendered as a hyperlink, but one doesn't even have a URL to
begin with.

:).

On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 03:03:42PM -0700, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
> 
> > Well yes, but I'm afraid one, or at most two clicks are required.  Here's
> > the procedure:
> >
> > 1) Click on the link (I know, you wanted to avoid that, but...)
> > 2) Squint at just the first sentence or two. If
> > 2) a. the article looks like something you might be interested in reading,
> > open your eyes more fully and scan to the bottom. Alternatively, if
> > 2) b. the article looks completely unappealing, click the little "x"
> > symbol in the browser tab containing the offending verbiage.
> > 3) Proceed on as you were.
> > 4) #endif
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM, glen e. p. ropella 
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Is there any chance you could post a little blurb to go with these links
> >> so that we don't have to click the link in order to find out whether or
> >> not we want[ed] to click the link?
> >>
> >> I've been rick-rolled enough to avoid clicking links with no blurbs. 8^)
> >>
> >> Douglas Roberts wrote at 02/01/2013 01:35 PM:
> >> > Two of them, actually.
> >> >
> >> > http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/epic-fail.html
> >> >
> >> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-natives-are-getting-restless.html
> >>
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Douglas Roberts]

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Well yes, but I'm afraid one, or at most two clicks are required.  Here's
> the procedure:
>
> 1) Click on the link (I know, you wanted to avoid that, but...)
> 2) Squint at just the first sentence or two. If
> 2) a. the article looks like something you might be interested in reading,
> open your eyes more fully and scan to the bottom. Alternatively, if
> 2) b. the article looks completely unappealing, click the little "x"
> symbol in the browser tab containing the offending verbiage.
> 3) Proceed on as you were.
> 4) #endif
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM, glen e. p. ropella 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Is there any chance you could post a little blurb to go with these links
>> so that we don't have to click the link in order to find out whether or
>> not we want[ed] to click the link?
>>
>> I've been rick-rolled enough to avoid clicking links with no blurbs. 8^)
>>
>> Douglas Roberts wrote at 02/01/2013 01:35 PM:
>> > Two of them, actually.
>> >
>> > http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/epic-fail.html
>> >
>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-natives-are-getting-restless.html
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Douglas Roberts]

Well yes, but I'm afraid one, or at most two clicks are required.  Here's
the procedure:

1) Click on the link (I know, you wanted to avoid that, but...)
2) Squint at just the first sentence or two. If
2) a. the article looks like something you might be interested in reading,
open your eyes more fully and scan to the bottom. Alternatively, if
2) b. the article looks completely unappealing, click the little "x" symbol
in the browser tab containing the offending verbiage.
3) Proceed on as you were.
4) #endif


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 2:38 PM, glen e. p. ropella wrote:

>
> Is there any chance you could post a little blurb to go with these links
> so that we don't have to click the link in order to find out whether or
> not we want[ed] to click the link?
>
> I've been rick-rolled enough to avoid clicking links with no blurbs. 8^)
>
> Douglas Roberts wrote at 02/01/2013 01:35 PM:
> > Two of them, actually.
> >
> > http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/epic-fail.html
> >
> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-natives-are-getting-restless.html
>
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>
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Re: [FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[glen e. p. ropella]

Is there any chance you could post a little blurb to go with these links
so that we don't have to click the link in order to find out whether or
not we want[ed] to click the link?

I've been rick-rolled enough to avoid clicking links with no blurbs. 8^)

Douglas Roberts wrote at 02/01/2013 01:35 PM:
> Two of them, actually.
> 
> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/epic-fail.html
> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-natives-are-getting-restless.html

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[FRIAM] Ho, Hum. Another Day, Another Blog Post Critical of Google

[Douglas Roberts]

Two of them, actually.

http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/epic-fail.html
http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-natives-are-getting-restless.html

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