Re: [FRIAM] more fun in psychology
Roger, Speaking as somebody who can barely get his positivity ratio up to 1/3, let alone 3/1, I am deeply grateful for this post. N And then there is the famous Risk Aversion factor of 2.25 offered up by Tversky and Kahneman: http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~camerer/Ec101/ProspectTheory.pdf It suggests that "losses bite about 2.25 times as much as gains" in behavior economics. Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Critchlow *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:35 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* [FRIAM] more fun in psychology http://narrative.ly/pieces-of-mind/nick-brown-smelled-bull/ and http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/the-magic-ratio-that-wasnt/33279 describe how the principles of "positive psychology" got their mathematical "foundations" demolished this summer. A lesson in the hazards of basing your career on a reasonable sounding metaphor. -- rec -- FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] more fun in psychology
Or, an extended exercise in the misuse of mathematics and the value of learning critical thinking.. On 10/31/13, 10:34 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: http://narrative.ly/pieces-of-mind/nick-brown-smelled-bull/ and http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/the-magic-ratio-that-wasnt/33279 describe how the principles of "positive psychology" got their mathematical "foundations" demolished this summer. A lesson in the hazards of basing your career on a reasonable sounding metaphor. -- rec -- FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- "Sunlight is the best disinfectant." -- Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis, 1913. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] more fun in psychology
On 10/31/2013 10:51 AM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: "My priority is not to publish, but to attend my clients properly.” TRAINING iN MY MODEL?? Yipes! As scary as that is, the scarier thing is that the following sentiment is consistently, frequently, and loudly repeated and ignored: "'The essence of the criticism of [insert your favorite quantitative bullsh!t] is that it takes quantitative reasoning to its absurd extreme,' he says, 'that because we can talk about things in numerical terms, that that makes it scientific.'" I remember one conference I went to where an audience member shouted, just before a talk, something like: "If you aren't going to show any equations, I'm leaving." 8^) And he wasn't joking. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] more fun in psychology
This is for me, almost too funny. I actually worked with Marcial Losada back in 1986-1987. He was a psychologist in the AI R&D group I was in. This is the first I had heard of him since then. I hope most of my other colleagues from over the years have fared better. Gary On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:51 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: > Having recently read the long essay featured on the cover of "The Economist" > October 19th-25th issue, "How Science Goes Wrong", it's really fun to see > this. The Economist article goes into some depth on the failure and flaws in > the peer review process: "Scientists like to think of science as > self-correcting. To an alarming degree, it is not." > > And Roger, especially painful for me, as a full-fledged toiler in the > Happiness Industry and a non-academic Ph.D. consultant to boot, is the answer > from Losada to the request for a response from the American Psychologist. > “I didn’t have the time to prepare a proper response. I am not an academic, > I am a consultant to business and I am fully booked for the rest of 2013. The > demand for training in my model has taken all my available time. My priority > is not to publish, but to attend my clients properly.” TRAINING iN MY > MODEL?? Yipes! > > > > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Nick Thompson > wrote: > Roger, > > > > Speaking as somebody who can barely get his positivity ratio up to 1/3, let > alone 3/1, I am deeply grateful for this post. > > > > N > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:35 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: [FRIAM] more fun in psychology > > > > http://narrative.ly/pieces-of-mind/nick-brown-smelled-bull/ and > > > > http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/the-magic-ratio-that-wasnt/33279 > > > > describe how the principles of "positive psychology" got their mathematical > "foundations" demolished this summer. A lesson in the hazards of basing your > career on a reasonable sounding metaphor. > > > > -- rec -- > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > -- > Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. > President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy > Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA > me...@emergentdiplomacy.org > mobile: (303) 859-5609 > skype: merlelefkoff > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] more fun in psychology
Having recently read the long essay featured on the cover of "The Economist" October 19th-25th issue, "How Science Goes Wrong", it's really fun to see this. The Economist article goes into some depth on the failure and flaws in the peer review process: "Scientists like to think of science as self-correcting. To an alarming degree, it is not." And Roger, especially painful for me, as a full-fledged toiler in the Happiness Industry and a non-academic Ph.D. consultant to boot, is the answer from Losada to the request for a response from the *American Psychologist.* “I didn’t have the time to prepare a proper response. I am not an academic, I am a consultant to business and I am fully booked for the rest of 2013. The demand for training in my model has taken all my available time. My priority is not to publish, but to attend my clients properly.” TRAINING iN MY MODEL?? Yipes! On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Roger, > > ** ** > > Speaking as somebody who can barely get his positivity ratio up to 1/3, > let alone 3/1, I am deeply grateful for this post. > > ** ** > > N > > ** ** > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > ** ** > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger > Critchlow > *Sent:* Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:35 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* [FRIAM] more fun in psychology > > ** ** > > http://narrative.ly/pieces-of-mind/nick-brown-smelled-bull/ and > > ** ** > > http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/the-magic-ratio-that-wasnt/33279 > > ** ** > > describe how the principles of "positive psychology" got their > mathematical "foundations" demolished this summer. A lesson in the hazards > of basing your career on a reasonable sounding metaphor. > > ** ** > > -- rec -- > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > -- Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. President, Center for Emergent Diplomacy Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA me...@emergentdiplomacy.org mobile: (303) 859-5609 skype: merlelefkoff FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] more fun in psychology
Roger, Speaking as somebody who can barely get his positivity ratio up to 1/3, let alone 3/1, I am deeply grateful for this post. N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:35 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] more fun in psychology http://narrative.ly/pieces-of-mind/nick-brown-smelled-bull/ and http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/the-magic-ratio-that-wasnt/33279 describe how the principles of "positive psychology" got their mathematical "foundations" demolished this summer. A lesson in the hazards of basing your career on a reasonable sounding metaphor. -- rec -- FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
[FRIAM] more fun in psychology
http://narrative.ly/pieces-of-mind/nick-brown-smelled-bull/ and http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/the-magic-ratio-that-wasnt/33279 describe how the principles of "positive psychology" got their mathematical "foundations" demolished this summer. A lesson in the hazards of basing your career on a reasonable sounding metaphor. -- rec -- FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
