[FRIAM] Wtf. Is going on with pnm
No power all gd. Day and those Slackware. Penis breaths keep fing. With when I get my gd. Lights back. Can we pls fire them.? -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] wtf I thought nuclear weapons was banned since...forever
Well written, Steve. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Aug 28, 2022, 8:03 PM Steve Smith wrote: > Pandora's cats are out of the bag and nothing will put them back. I'm > not religious but the whole "original sin" thing is a good allegory for how > hard (impossible) it is to go backwards... even when that would be the > very best thing to do (were it possible). There is no "undo" button... > entropy does increase... time does march forward, and "the only way out is > through". I can't even begin to guess what it would look like for > humanity to collectively evolve (I suppose societally, not > genetically/individually) to the point that we really can put down > obviously dead-end ideations like "Mutual Assured Destruction" across the > board. > > Post Apocalyptic fiction suggests that the only remedy is an > Atlantean-class collapse and "great forgetting" of the shite we know about > being horribly cruel and destructive to one another (and by extension or > vice-versa, the planet/universe?).I *do* think that there is an > "enlightened self-interest* path that is armatured around an expanding > sense of "self" as well as "interest" AND "enlightenment", but the > specifics are an "exercise for the student (as a collective). I doubt we > are going to sort this in my lifetime and maybe not in my grandchildren's, > but that is no reason *not* to try to understand what that would look like > and seek it. > > 993,765 steps forward and a similar number back? Progress is incremental > until it isn't. Aphorisms 'R US. > On 8/28/22 7:17 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > > Huh? shame...no just curious. > I was just asking how and why agreeing not use nukes was agreed on not to > go there. In my head I was thinking; huh, wait a second. Didn't this get > adressed several decades ago for the NPT( Nuclear non > prolification Treaty?). > Is russia and india posturing to agree that nukes are just bad? > > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 12:09 AM Marcus Daniels > wrote: > >> How do you propose dissuading countries from building these weapons? >> Shaming them on mailing lists? >> >> On Aug 27, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Gillian Densmore >> wrote: >> >> >> >> https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/27/europe/russia-blocks-un-nuclear-disarmament-treaty-intl-hnk/index.html >> >> Am I going loony, I had thought after ultra conservatives of different >> interpretation in communism had tried to murder (1991 coup attempt) >> Gorbachev, and his part in draging russin into the Nuclear Weapons Ban and >> Test ban treaties that was that. Though was a we widdle youngling then I do >> clearly recall Gorby being all like: Un Embassy has good and poison free >> food, the coffees also good. and then latter: well Russia you'll stop being >> dicks about nukes and like it we won't make more are taking apart what we >> do have... >> so um why is this a thing? >> >> So um cans someone please ELi5 wtf is going on with a new nuclear ban >> and disarm. treaty and how was russia even allowed to cock block it? is >> Putin really as insane as to attempt to nuke Ukrain? (probably). And is >> this just him being a dick to pout and posture? Hell do they even anything >> that can move those things? they're not exactly light. >> >> Sigh. To russia: trolling about a nuclear winter or at least a MAD >> scenario just because Zelenskyy doesn't like being murdered in his sleep >> KGB style doesn't make it ok to not decide nukes== f'n stupid, can still >> make bombs. just not make a few Tsar Bombas because the rest of us want to >> live past the next few years. >> -ME for one >> >> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present >
Re: [FRIAM] wtf I thought nuclear weapons was banned since...forever
Pandora's cats are out of the bag and nothing will put them back. I'm not religious but the whole "original sin" thing is a good allegory for how hard (impossible) it is to go backwards... even when that would be the very best thing to do (were it possible). There is no "undo" button... entropy does increase... time does march forward, and "the only way out is through". I can't even begin to guess what it would look like for humanity to collectively evolve (I suppose societally, not genetically/individually) to the point that we really can put down obviously dead-end ideations like "Mutual Assured Destruction" across the board. Post Apocalyptic fiction suggests that the only remedy is an Atlantean-class collapse and "great forgetting" of the shite we know about being horribly cruel and destructive to one another (and by extension or vice-versa, the planet/universe?). I *do* think that there is an "enlightened self-interest* path that is armatured around an expanding sense of "self" as well as "interest" AND "enlightenment", but the specifics are an "exercise for the student (as a collective). I doubt we are going to sort this in my lifetime and maybe not in my grandchildren's, but that is no reason *not* to try to understand what that would look like and seek it. 993,765 steps forward and a similar number back? Progress is incremental until it isn't. Aphorisms 'R US. On 8/28/22 7:17 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: Huh? shame...no just curious. I was just asking how and why agreeing not use nukes was agreed on not to go there. In my head I was thinking; huh, wait a second. Didn't this get adressed several decades ago for the NPT( Nuclear non prolification Treaty?). Is russia and india posturing to agree that nukes are just bad? On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 12:09 AM Marcus Daniels wrote: How do you propose dissuading countries from building these weapons? Shaming them on mailing lists? On Aug 27, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/27/europe/russia-blocks-un-nuclear-disarmament-treaty-intl-hnk/index.html Am I going loony, I had thought after ultra conservatives of different interpretation in communism had tried to murder (1991 coup attempt) Gorbachev, and his part in draging russin into the Nuclear Weapons Ban and Test ban treaties that was that. Though was a we widdle youngling then I do clearly recall Gorby being all like: Un Embassy has good and poison free food, the coffees also good. and then latter: well Russia you'll stop being dicks about nukes and like it we won't make more are taking apart what we do have... so um why is this a thing? So um cans someone please ELi5 wtf is going on with a new nuclear ban and disarm. treaty and how was russia even allowed to cock block it? is Putin really as insane as to attempt to nuke Ukrain? (probably). And is this just him being a dick to pout and posture? Hell do they even anything that can move those things? they're not exactly light. Sigh. To russia: trolling about a nuclear winter or at least a MAD scenario just because Zelenskyy doesn't like being murdered in his sleep KGB style doesn't make it ok to not decide nukes== f'n stupid, can still make bombs. just not make a few Tsar Bombas because the rest of us want to live past the next few years. -ME for one -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoomhttps://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribehttp://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIChttp://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru presenthttps://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/-. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Re: [FRIAM] wtf I thought nuclear weapons was banned since...forever
Huh? shame...no just curious. I was just asking how and why agreeing not use nukes was agreed on not to go there. In my head I was thinking; huh, wait a second. Didn't this get adressed several decades ago for the NPT( Nuclear non prolification Treaty?). Is russia and india posturing to agree that nukes are just bad? On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 12:09 AM Marcus Daniels wrote: > How do you propose dissuading countries from building these weapons? > Shaming them on mailing lists? > > On Aug 27, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Gillian Densmore > wrote: > > > > https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/27/europe/russia-blocks-un-nuclear-disarmament-treaty-intl-hnk/index.html > > Am I going loony, I had thought after ultra conservatives of different > interpretation in communism had tried to murder (1991 coup attempt) > Gorbachev, and his part in draging russin into the Nuclear Weapons Ban and > Test ban treaties that was that. Though was a we widdle youngling then I do > clearly recall Gorby being all like: Un Embassy has good and poison free > food, the coffees also good. and then latter: well Russia you'll stop being > dicks about nukes and like it we won't make more are taking apart what we > do have... > so um why is this a thing? > > So um cans someone please ELi5 wtf is going on with a new nuclear ban and > disarm. treaty and how was russia even allowed to cock block it? is Putin > really as insane as to attempt to nuke Ukrain? (probably). And is this > just him being a dick to pout and posture? Hell do they even anything that > can move those things? they're not exactly light. > > Sigh. To russia: trolling about a nuclear winter or at least a MAD > scenario just because Zelenskyy doesn't like being murdered in his sleep > KGB style doesn't make it ok to not decide nukes== f'n stupid, can still > make bombs. just not make a few Tsar Bombas because the rest of us want to > live past the next few years. > -ME for one > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] wtf I thought nuclear weapons was banned since...forever
How do you propose dissuading countries from building these weapons? Shaming them on mailing lists? On Aug 27, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/27/europe/russia-blocks-un-nuclear-disarmament-treaty-intl-hnk/index.html Am I going loony, I had thought after ultra conservatives of different interpretation in communism had tried to murder (1991 coup attempt) Gorbachev, and his part in draging russin into the Nuclear Weapons Ban and Test ban treaties that was that. Though was a we widdle youngling then I do clearly recall Gorby being all like: Un Embassy has good and poison free food, the coffees also good. and then latter: well Russia you'll stop being dicks about nukes and like it we won't make more are taking apart what we do have... so um why is this a thing? So um cans someone please ELi5 wtf is going on with a new nuclear ban and disarm. treaty and how was russia even allowed to cock block it? is Putin really as insane as to attempt to nuke Ukrain? (probably). And is this just him being a dick to pout and posture? Hell do they even anything that can move those things? they're not exactly light. Sigh. To russia: trolling about a nuclear winter or at least a MAD scenario just because Zelenskyy doesn't like being murdered in his sleep KGB style doesn't make it ok to not decide nukes== f'n stupid, can still make bombs. just not make a few Tsar Bombas because the rest of us want to live past the next few years. -ME for one -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] wtf I thought nuclear weapons was banned since...forever
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/27/europe/russia-blocks-un-nuclear-disarmament-treaty-intl-hnk/index.html Am I going loony, I had thought after ultra conservatives of different interpretation in communism had tried to murder (1991 coup attempt) Gorbachev, and his part in draging russin into the Nuclear Weapons Ban and Test ban treaties that was that. Though was a we widdle youngling then I do clearly recall Gorby being all like: Un Embassy has good and poison free food, the coffees also good. and then latter: well Russia you'll stop being dicks about nukes and like it we won't make more are taking apart what we do have... so um why is this a thing? So um cans someone please ELi5 wtf is going on with a new nuclear ban and disarm. treaty and how was russia even allowed to cock block it? is Putin really as insane as to attempt to nuke Ukrain? (probably). And is this just him being a dick to pout and posture? Hell do they even anything that can move those things? they're not exactly light. Sigh. To russia: trolling about a nuclear winter or at least a MAD scenario just because Zelenskyy doesn't like being murdered in his sleep KGB style doesn't make it ok to not decide nukes== f'n stupid, can still make bombs. just not make a few Tsar Bombas because the rest of us want to live past the next few years. -ME for one -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] wtf now googles turn at a leak.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/keyword-warrants-feds-secretly-ordered-google-track-anyone-searching-certain-names anyone care to help wrap my head around how this works? 2021 is not disappointing for existential terrors. FB got hit with a data leak Pandora Papers Twitch pwnd Google Pwnd who's next? .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] WTF, JS?
WTF, JS? http://wtfjs.com/ By the way, putting out the word that I'm looking for web development work. Thanks. -- Ron Newman, Founder MyIdeatree.com http://www.Ideatree.us The World Happiness Meter http://worldhappinessmeter.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] WTF: CIA edition | The Bloomington Alternative
Some of my personal favorites: As of when I left the states three years ago, Toyota still proudly wrote on some of their pickups the acronym for Toyota Racing Development (TRD, just pronounce it :-) Maybe urban legend, but General Motors had to quickly change the name of one of their early economy car after introducing it to the Latin American market, not considering that Nova literally means it doesn't go (no va); Bumper stickers aren't very popular here in Ecuador, but one of the few that I've seen is for a famous Chinese restaurant in Quito, which reads (with the heart symbol) I love Ho's. ;; Gary On Dec 26, 2010, at 12:27 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: Hard to believe. Sorta like when I convinced Shell Oil NOT to name their new research group SHell Institute of Technology! http://www.bloomingtonalternative.com/articles/2010/12/25/10621 -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
[FRIAM] WTF: CIA edition | The Bloomington Alternative
Hard to believe. Sorta like when I convinced Shell Oil NOT to name their new research group SHell Institute of Technology! http://www.bloomingtonalternative.com/articles/2010/12/25/10621 -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
[FRIAM] wtf
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Re: [FRIAM] wtf
Hadn't you heard? Both the Taliban and Al Queda recently joined the Iraq chapter of the Open Video Project http://www.open-video.org/. --Doug On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Marcus Daniels mar...@snoutfarm.comwrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126102247889095011.html FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] wtf
On Dec 17, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: Hadn't you heard? Both the Taliban and Al Queda recently joined the Iraq chapter of the Open Video Project. LOL. Seriously, WTF?! It's what comes from making the assumption that your adversaries are stupider that you are. But this is just stupid dumb. There did appear to be a vulnerability, the defense official said. There's been no harm done to troops or missions compromised as a result of it, but there's an issue that we can take care of and we're doing so. Whew, that's good. We even get some stupid CYA. Fixing the security gap would have caused delays, according to current and former military officials. It would have added to the Predator's price. Some officials worried that adding encryption would make it harder to quickly share time-sensitive data within the U.S. military, and with allies. OMG, what a clown show. I guess our allies are even more stupid than we are. There's a balance between pragmatics and sophistication, said Mike Wynne, Air Force Secretary from 2005 to 2008. Yes, and the average Best Buy consumer is already on the smarter side of that trade-off curve. I guess when you download encryption software from the internet it's free, but when General Atomics develops it for you its like what, 12 billion dollars? Of course, they probably sold non-compatible as a security feature.. On Dec 17, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote: Hadn't you heard? Both the Taliban and Al Queda recently joined the Iraq chapter of the Open Video Project. --Doug On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Marcus Daniels mar...@snoutfarm.com wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126102247889095011.html FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
