Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team
Nick, Even a former English major ought to be able to faithfully transcribe a short phrase from the second line of the first sentence of a two-paragraph, three-sentence e-mail that is actually included a few inches below the locus of his transcription... On the other hand, if it weren't for the long history of paleography, scribal errors, and variorum editions, the structure that for hundreds of years supported the English major (and other literature majors) might never have existed in the form the former English major may have encountered stumbling about on its last legs, before it was finally utterly replaced by the Higher Nonsense. Lee Rudolph P.S. No one should forget the old high-byte--at least, no one who ever dealt with WordStar. You are absolutely correct. higher-order bit it is. Even better. Can you imagine what a former English major's imagination did with that? n From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Thorp Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:01 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team Also I doubt Owen ever said top bit, I imagine it was probably high-order bit. I like the question though, can a bug be on purpose. Seems like it would be in the eye of the beholder, one person's bug might be another's feature. --joshua On Mar 24, 2013, at 2:57 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: Nick's counselling session will be scheduled shortly... --Doug (Who can tell when his chain is being yanked.) On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Now you all know, that, ever since Owen first used the word top bit in my presence, nearly a decade ago, I have followed, with rapt attention, the use of language on this list. So, you guys. I need to understand this better. Can a bug be on purpose? It sounds to me like Google has sabotaged its own product, right. Therefore, if I understand the language, any Nexus phone thatactually worked, would be buggy., by definition. I am sorry to bother you about this, but these are the kinds of things that keep me awake at night. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team Hi, Google Device Support Team. It's been a while since we spoke, but I recently discovered that someone in your organization has been (I hope inadvertently) disseminating inaccurate information about this Nexus 4 https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/mobile/l4uYRMVHnHY/rHpsXdwNGPc J bug, and I thought you'd want to know about it right away. Here's the deal: you see, we all know that the Nexus 4 was not designed on purpose to prevent wifi and bluetooth from being used at the same time. We all know that it is a bug. Well, all of us except for Steve, apparently. Here, read for yourselves: http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/03/translated.html Now, we all have the utmost confidence that someone in your organization will immediately take Steve aside for a private little counselling session about the inappropriateness of, shall we say, bending the truth regarding this particular flaw in the Nexus 4 product. Thanks for your prompt attention to this matter. Best, --Doug -- Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team
Nick, I somehow feel that you and I have both been vaguely, yet abstrusely (but delicately) chastised. --Doug On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:04 AM, lrudo...@meganet.net wrote: Nick, Even a former English major ought to be able to faithfully transcribe a short phrase from the second line of the first sentence of a two-paragraph, three-sentence e-mail that is actually included a few inches below the locus of his transcription... On the other hand, if it weren't for the long history of paleography, scribal errors, and variorum editions, the structure that for hundreds of years supported the English major (and other literature majors) might never have existed in the form the former English major may have encountered stumbling about on its last legs, before it was finally utterly replaced by the Higher Nonsense. Lee Rudolph P.S. No one should forget the old high-byte--at least, no one who ever dealt with WordStar. You are absolutely correct. higher-order bit it is. Even better. Can you imagine what a former English major's imagination did with that? n From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Thorp Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:01 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team Also I doubt Owen ever said top bit, I imagine it was probably high-order bit. I like the question though, can a bug be on purpose. Seems like it would be in the eye of the beholder, one person's bug might be another's feature. --joshua On Mar 24, 2013, at 2:57 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: Nick's counselling session will be scheduled shortly... --Doug (Who can tell when his chain is being yanked.) On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Now you all know, that, ever since Owen first used the word top bit in my presence, nearly a decade ago, I have followed, with rapt attention, the use of language on this list. So, you guys. I need to understand this better. Can a bug be on purpose? It sounds to me like Google has sabotaged its own product, right. Therefore, if I understand the language, any Nexus phone thatactually worked, would be buggy., by definition. I am sorry to bother you about this, but these are the kinds of things that keep me awake at night. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team Hi, Google Device Support Team. It's been a while since we spoke, but I recently discovered that someone in your organization has been (I hope inadvertently) disseminating inaccurate information about this Nexus 4 https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/mobile/l4uYRMVHnHY/rHpsXdwNGPc J bug, and I thought you'd want to know about it right away. Here's the deal: you see, we all know that the Nexus 4 was not designed on purpose to prevent wifi and bluetooth from being used at the same time. We all know that it is a bug. Well, all of us except for Steve, apparently. Here, read for yourselves: http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/03/translated.html Now, we all have the utmost confidence that someone in your organization will immediately take Steve aside for a private little counselling session about the inappropriateness of, shall we say, bending the truth regarding this particular flaw in the Nexus 4 product. Thanks for your prompt attention to this matter. Best, --Doug -- Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot
Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team
And to think of all the years I described my occupation as bit diddling --Barry On Mar 24, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 08:59:39PM -0600, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Joshua, You are absolutely correct. higher-order bit it is. Even better. Can you imagine what a former English major's imagination did with that? Given that bit is a slang term for a (possibly young?) woman in some dialects, the mind boggles. Mind you, according to Urban Dictionary, it means something entirely different http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bit, but it still fits. Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team
Nick's counselling session will be scheduled shortly... --Doug (Who can tell when his chain is being yanked.) On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Now you all know, that, ever since Owen first used the word “top bit” in my presence, nearly a decade ago, I have followed, with rapt attention, the use of language on this list. So, you guys. I need to understand this better. Can a “bug” be “on purpose”? It sounds to me like Google has sabotaged its own product, right. Therefore, if I understand the language, any Nexus phone thatactually worked, would be “buggy”., by definition. I am sorry to bother you about this, but these are the kinds of things that keep me awake at night. N ** ** *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team ** ** *Hi, Google Device Support Team.* ** ** *It's been a while since we spoke, but I recently discovered that someone in your organization has been (I hope inadvertently) disseminating inaccurate information about this Nexus 4https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/mobile/l4uYRMVHnHY/rHpsXdwNGPcJ bug, and I thought you'd want to know about it right away. * ** ** *Here's the deal: you see, we all know that the Nexus 4 was not designed on purpose to prevent wifi and bluetooth from being used at the same time. We all know that it is a bug. Well, all of us except for Steve, apparently. Here, read for yourselves: * ** ** *http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/03/translated.html* ** ** *Now, we all have the utmost confidence that someone in your organization will immediately take Steve aside for a private little counselling session about the inappropriateness of, shall we say, *bending the truth* regarding this particular flaw in the Nexus 4 product.* ** ** *Thanks for your prompt attention to this matter.* ** ** *Best,* ** ** *--Doug* ** ** -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team
Well you see it depends on the kind of bug. During summer chirpy bugs are pleasant think the chirping bugs do so on purpose. :P On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Now you all know, that, ever since Owen first used the word “top bit” in my presence, nearly a decade ago, I have followed, with rapt attention, the use of language on this list. So, you guys. I need to understand this better. Can a “bug” be “on purpose”? It sounds to me like Google has sabotaged its own product, right. Therefore, if I understand the language, any Nexus phone thatactually worked, would be “buggy”., by definition. I am sorry to bother you about this, but these are the kinds of things that keep me awake at night. N ** ** *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team ** ** *Hi, Google Device Support Team.* ** ** *It's been a while since we spoke, but I recently discovered that someone in your organization has been (I hope inadvertently) disseminating inaccurate information about this Nexus 4https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/mobile/l4uYRMVHnHY/rHpsXdwNGPcJ bug, and I thought you'd want to know about it right away. * ** ** *Here's the deal: you see, we all know that the Nexus 4 was not designed on purpose to prevent wifi and bluetooth from being used at the same time. We all know that it is a bug. Well, all of us except for Steve, apparently. Here, read for yourselves: * ** ** *http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/03/translated.html* ** ** *Now, we all have the utmost confidence that someone in your organization will immediately take Steve aside for a private little counselling session about the inappropriateness of, shall we say, *bending the truth* regarding this particular flaw in the Nexus 4 product.* ** ** *Thanks for your prompt attention to this matter.* ** ** *Best,* ** ** *--Doug* ** ** -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team
Doug: I have a Nexus S 4G from Sprint. FWIW, the Bluetooth audio does not work with the audio directions for the Google Navigator nor any other audio, e.g. listening to online radio. -tom On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.netwrote: *Hi, Google Device Support Team.* * * *It's been a while since we spoke, but I recently discovered that someone in your organization has been (I hope inadvertently) disseminating inaccurate information about this Nexus 4https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/mobile/l4uYRMVHnHY/rHpsXdwNGPcJ bug, and I thought you'd want to know about it right away. * * * *Here's the deal: you see, we all know that the Nexus 4 was not designed on purpose to prevent wifi and bluetooth from being used at the same time. We all know that it is a bug. Well, all of us except for Steve, apparently. Here, read for yourselves: * * * *http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/03/translated.html* * * *Now, we all have the utmost confidence that someone in your organization will immediately take Steve aside for a private little counselling session about the inappropriateness of, shall we say, *bending the truth* regarding this particular flaw in the Nexus 4 product.* * * *Thanks for your prompt attention to this matter.* * * *Best,* * * *--Doug* -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- == J. T. Johnson Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USAhttp://www.analyticjournalism.com/ 505.577.6482(c)505.473.9646(h) Twitter: jtjohnson http://www.jtjohnson.com t...@jtjohnson.com == FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team
Also I doubt Owen ever said top bit, I imagine it was probably high-order bit… I like the question though, can a bug be on purpose. Seems like it would be in the eye of the beholder, one person's bug might be another's feature. --joshua On Mar 24, 2013, at 2:57 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: Nick's counselling session will be scheduled shortly... --Doug (Who can tell when his chain is being yanked.) On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Now you all know, that, ever since Owen first used the word “top bit” in my presence, nearly a decade ago, I have followed, with rapt attention, the use of language on this list. So, you guys. I need to understand this better. Can a “bug” be “on purpose”? It sounds to me like Google has sabotaged its own product, right. Therefore, if I understand the language, any Nexus phone thatactually worked, would be “buggy”., by definition. I am sorry to bother you about this, but these are the kinds of things that keep me awake at night. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team Hi, Google Device Support Team. It's been a while since we spoke, but I recently discovered that someone in your organization has been (I hope inadvertently) disseminating inaccurate information about this Nexus 4 bug, and I thought you'd want to know about it right away. Here's the deal: you see, we all know that the Nexus 4 was not designed on purpose to prevent wifi and bluetooth from being used at the same time. We all know that it is a bug. Well, all of us except for Steve, apparently. Here, read for yourselves: http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/03/translated.html Now, we all have the utmost confidence that someone in your organization will immediately take Steve aside for a private little counselling session about the inappropriateness of, shall we say, bending the truth regarding this particular flaw in the Nexus 4 product. Thanks for your prompt attention to this matter. Best, --Doug -- Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team
Doug, No. No! Honest. No chains jerked. Promise. Just want to know how the language works. Remember, I am the guy who thinks that language and metaphor lie at the core of science (even tho I am also the guy who thinks that Rorty is a schmuck). I follow the blogs of noaa weather forecasters with the same intense interest. I may be nuts, but I don't think I am devious. My favorite term of art in weather forecasting is least-regret forecast, which explains why, if a forecaster makes a mistake early, that mistake tends to get compounded later because the least-regret forecast is the one that involves the fewest changes of mind. If you don't change your original bad forecast, at least you have only been wrong once. Nick From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:58 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team Nick's counselling session will be scheduled shortly... --Doug (Who can tell when his chain is being yanked.) On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Now you all know, that, ever since Owen first used the word top bit in my presence, nearly a decade ago, I have followed, with rapt attention, the use of language on this list. So, you guys. I need to understand this better. Can a bug be on purpose? It sounds to me like Google has sabotaged its own product, right. Therefore, if I understand the language, any Nexus phone thatactually worked, would be buggy., by definition. I am sorry to bother you about this, but these are the kinds of things that keep me awake at night. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team Hi, Google Device Support Team. It's been a while since we spoke, but I recently discovered that someone in your organization has been (I hope inadvertently) disseminating inaccurate information about this Nexus 4 https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/mobile/l4uYRMVHnHY/rHpsXdwNGPc J bug, and I thought you'd want to know about it right away. Here's the deal: you see, we all know that the Nexus 4 was not designed on purpose to prevent wifi and bluetooth from being used at the same time. We all know that it is a bug. Well, all of us except for Steve, apparently. Here, read for yourselves: http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/03/translated.html Now, we all have the utmost confidence that someone in your organization will immediately take Steve aside for a private little counselling session about the inappropriateness of, shall we say, bending the truth regarding this particular flaw in the Nexus 4 product. Thanks for your prompt attention to this matter. Best, --Doug -- Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team
Well in that case, Nick, it's pretty simple. Google fucked up either the radio design of the Nexus 4, or LG fucked up its manufacture, because you are supposed to be able to use wifi and bluetooth at the same time. And you can't. On the Google Nexus 4. You can with other Android phones. But not with the Google Nexus 4. Google's Android. Google's phone. Broken. --Doug On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Doug, ** ** No. No! Honest. No chains jerked. Promise. Just want to know how the language works. Remember, I am the guy who thinks that language and metaphor lie at the core of science (even tho I am also the guy who thinks that Rorty is a schmuck). I follow the blogs of noaa weather forecasters with the same intense interest. I may be nuts, but I don’t think I am devious. ** ** My favorite term of art in weather forecasting is “least-regret forecast”, which explains why, if a forecaster makes a mistake early, that mistake tends to get compounded later because the “least-regret forecast” is the one that involves the fewest changes of mind. If you don’t change your original bad forecast, at least you have only been wrong once. ** ** Nick ** ** *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:58 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team*** * ** ** Nick's counselling session will be scheduled shortly... ** ** --Doug (Who can tell when his chain is being yanked.) ** ** On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Now you all know, that, ever since Owen first used the word “top bit” in my presence, nearly a decade ago, I have followed, with rapt attention, the use of language on this list. So, you guys. I need to understand this better. Can a “bug” be “on purpose”? It sounds to me like Google has sabotaged its own product, right. Therefore, if I understand the language, any Nexus phone thatactually worked, would be “buggy”., by definition. I am sorry to bother you about this, but these are the kinds of things that keep me awake at night. N *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team *Hi, Google Device Support Team.* *It's been a while since we spoke, but I recently discovered that someone in your organization has been (I hope inadvertently) disseminating inaccurate information about this Nexus 4https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/mobile/l4uYRMVHnHY/rHpsXdwNGPcJ bug, and I thought you'd want to know about it right away. * *Here's the deal: you see, we all know that the Nexus 4 was not designed on purpose to prevent wifi and bluetooth from being used at the same time. We all know that it is a bug. Well, all of us except for Steve, apparently. Here, read for yourselves: * *http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/03/translated.html* *Now, we all have the utmost confidence that someone in your organization will immediately take Steve aside for a private little counselling session about the inappropriateness of, shall we say, *bending the truth* regarding this particular flaw in the Nexus 4 product.* *Thanks for your prompt attention to this matter.* *Best,* *--Doug* -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com ** ** -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins * http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile* FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team
Joshua, You are absolutely correct. higher-order bit it is. Even better. Can you imagine what a former English major's imagination did with that? n From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Thorp Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:01 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team Also I doubt Owen ever said top bit, I imagine it was probably high-order bit. I like the question though, can a bug be on purpose. Seems like it would be in the eye of the beholder, one person's bug might be another's feature. --joshua On Mar 24, 2013, at 2:57 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: Nick's counselling session will be scheduled shortly... --Doug (Who can tell when his chain is being yanked.) On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Now you all know, that, ever since Owen first used the word top bit in my presence, nearly a decade ago, I have followed, with rapt attention, the use of language on this list. So, you guys. I need to understand this better. Can a bug be on purpose? It sounds to me like Google has sabotaged its own product, right. Therefore, if I understand the language, any Nexus phone thatactually worked, would be buggy., by definition. I am sorry to bother you about this, but these are the kinds of things that keep me awake at night. N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:44 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team Hi, Google Device Support Team. It's been a while since we spoke, but I recently discovered that someone in your organization has been (I hope inadvertently) disseminating inaccurate information about this Nexus 4 https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/mobile/l4uYRMVHnHY/rHpsXdwNGPc J bug, and I thought you'd want to know about it right away. Here's the deal: you see, we all know that the Nexus 4 was not designed on purpose to prevent wifi and bluetooth from being used at the same time. We all know that it is a bug. Well, all of us except for Steve, apparently. Here, read for yourselves: http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/03/translated.html Now, we all have the utmost confidence that someone in your organization will immediately take Steve aside for a private little counselling session about the inappropriateness of, shall we say, bending the truth regarding this particular flaw in the Nexus 4 product. Thanks for your prompt attention to this matter. Best, --Doug -- Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com -- Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Joshua, ** ** You are absolutely correct. “higher-order bit” it is. Even better. Can you imagine what a former English major’s imagination did with that? Part of the history of this term is the big vs little endian (spelling correct) hardware issue. The hardware can be laid out such that the bits of an integer are are from low-to-hi (little endian) or the reverse (big endian) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness#Endianness_and_hardware The reason for little endian is that concatenation of bytes is more natural .. going from a 8 bit integer to a 16 bit integer to a ... is simply laying the bits out in order. It is also the most reasonable for streaming a data array such as an image. Most desktop browsers, for example, are little endian. This was a major bug for me in the AgentScript library. Big endian is more natural when considering the integers themselves, the left-most bit is the MSB .. most significant bit. IIRC, phones tend to use this in their browsers. JavaScript attempts to mask all this via their typed arrays .. but it still becomes problematic for image/pixel manipulation. Most libraries depending on pixels now simply create a small, 4-byte array, filling the bytes with 01, 02, 03, 04 and then test for the 32bit value having 01 or 04 at the high end. In ether format, the high-order-bit is the bit signifying the highest order of 2 in the bit array. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
Re: [FRIAM] Just sent this to the Google Device Support Team
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 08:59:39PM -0600, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Joshua, You are absolutely correct. higher-order bit it is. Even better. Can you imagine what a former English major's imagination did with that? Given that bit is a slang term for a (possibly young?) woman in some dialects, the mind boggles. Mind you, according to Urban Dictionary, it means something entirely different http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bit, but it still fits. Cheers -- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
