Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
On Apr 14, 2006, at 10:30 AM, bkfsec wrote: Truth be told, more people hate the current republican party than like it. If everyone who could have voted would have voted, it would be a landslide victory for the left. This is especially true if people were to vote along ideological lines rather than party lines. Many people (stupidly) voted for Bush because they thought he'd better represent the interests of the common man... in other words, they voted red when they should have been voting blue. It would have helped if the Democrats nominated a reasonable candidate. Kerry was a horrible candidate, as was Gore, as would be Hillary Clinton. I believe in the ideals of the party. I just wish they'd nominate somebody I could take seriously. If the Democrats stopped treating the party like a country-club that rewards loyalty instead of merit, I think you'd be correct and the US would swing to the left. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
Paul Schmehl wrote: On 4/14/06, *bkfsec* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're confused. This is what the US will be saying to the regressive, fascist, corrupt neo-conservative movement. Just like they have in all the previous elections, huh? Actually, yes - that's precisely what they've said in the previous elections. Losing the popular vote in 2000 with a contested election result. Contested results in 2004 that were rejected by congress, forcing a republican congress to selectively elect Bush in 2004 (Well, the congressional vote really happened in 2005). Yes, the people have rejected the neo-con government at every turn. It's just too bad the government hasn't noticed. The political mandate on the right is based on their egotistical and false impression that they somehow represent the common man. -bkfsec ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
On 14/04/06 12:58 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: snip And if pigs had wings they could fly. See RFC1925, truth 3. Devdas Bhagat ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:52:54 CDT, you said: I don't understand they very same people who voted for that pig (GWB) Keep in mind that less than half the registered voters voted for him. And close to half of the people who *did* vote didn't vote for him. If some of the non-voters who didn't like him *had* voted, he'd likely not gotten back in office. pgpQmknhz3tI2.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
That's twisted logic Valdis. If some of the 'non-voters' who didn't like Kerry *had* voted, Kerry would have lost even more badly than he had. Why are people bringing politics into the mailing lists? And why should people demonize a person or party just because they don't agree? On 4/14/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:52:54 CDT, you said: I don't understand they very same people who voted for that pig (GWB) Keep in mind that less than half the registered voters voted for him.And close to half of the people who *did* vote didn't vote for him.If some of the non-voters who didn't like him *had* voted, he'd likely not gotten back in office.___Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
joe haldon wrote: That's twisted logic Valdis. If some of the 'non-voters' who didn't like Kerry *had* voted, Kerry would have lost even more badly than he had. And what about the lines of people waiting to vote in predominantly democratic districts of red states whose ability to vote was negated by what can only be called electoral sabotage? Didn't happen, right? Right... There were so many voting irregularities in the last election that if we were a third-world country being monitored, the election would have been heavily contested and labeled as fraudulant by all Western Nations... but since we're the last world superpower, our leaders get away with what other countries get lambasted for. Truth be told, more people hate the current republican party than like it. If everyone who could have voted would have voted, it would be a landslide victory for the left. This is especially true if people were to vote along ideological lines rather than party lines. Many people (stupidly) voted for Bush because they thought he'd better represent the interests of the common man... in other words, they voted red when they should have been voting blue. And why should people demonize a person or party just because they don't agree? Because in this case you have a party that is wilfully and intentfully trying to destroy democracy in this country. If it were just that we didn't agree, well then we could talk. But through the neo-conservative movement you have an attempt at a corporate neo-fascist takeover of the country. Why should we demonize these people? We didn't -- they're just about as close to demons as you can get in reality. Their own actions have demonized them. -bkfsec ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
On Friday, April 14, 2006 12:17 PM, joe haldon wrote: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:17:53 -0400 From: joe haldon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon That's twisted logic Valdis. If some of the 'non-voters' who didn't like Kerry *had* voted, Kerry would have lost even more badly than he had. Why are people bringing politics into the mailing lists? And why should people demonize a person or party just because they don't agree? Joe, I am not really up to date regarding voter fraud this past election. However, politics has alot to do with this mailing list such as laws and regulations (Patriot Act) affecting the IT security sector. I feel alot of people who voted republican are the majority who want GWB out of office. And yes, this mailing list is solely to share information concerning security, only to say demonizing one person (GWB) accountable for killing thousands of innocent people should not be a shock to this list! Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds - Einstein Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro! ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:52:54 CDT, you said: I don't understand they very same people who voted for that pig (GWB) Keep in mind that less than half the registered voters voted for him. And close to half of the people who *did* vote didn't vote for him. If some of the non-voters who didn't like him *had* voted, he'd likely not gotten back in office. And if pigs had wings they could fly. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
RE: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
If Pigs have wings, there's a long list of things that I'd need to do. Webguy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Schmehl Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:59 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:52:54 CDT, you said: I don't understand they very same people who voted for that pig (GWB) Keep in mind that less than half the registered voters voted for him. And close to half of the people who *did* vote didn't vote for him. If some of the non-voters who didn't like him *had* voted, he'd likely not gotten back in office. And if pigs had wings they could fly. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
agreed, if Pigs had wings, I'd be in lots and lots of trouble. for that matter if a monkey all of a sudden shoots out my butt, I'd be in bigger trouble than the obvious ok, lets take this a bit further, and go under the assumption that hell exists according to the myth of heaven and hell... and hell were to freeze over, there's be lots of stuff that I'd have to do that isn't appealing. Exibar - Original Message - From: Dixon, Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon If Pigs have wings, there's a long list of things that I'd need to do. Webguy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Schmehl Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:59 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:52:54 CDT, you said: I don't understand they very same people who voted for that pig (GWB) Keep in mind that less than half the registered voters voted for him. And close to half of the people who *did* vote didn't vote for him. If some of the non-voters who didn't like him *had* voted, he'd likely not gotten back in office. And if pigs had wings they could fly. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
RE: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
Oh how right you are. I think all of the people on this list would be in a lot of trouble. All of this reminds me of the Hell Freezing over anecdote I read a while back. Wayne -Original Message- From: Exibar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 1:54 PM To: Dixon, Wayne; Paul Schmehl; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon agreed, if Pigs had wings, I'd be in lots and lots of trouble. for that matter if a monkey all of a sudden shoots out my butt, I'd be in bigger trouble than the obvious ok, lets take this a bit further, and go under the assumption that hell exists according to the myth of heaven and hell... and hell were to freeze over, there's be lots of stuff that I'd have to do that isn't appealing. Exibar - Original Message - From: Dixon, Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:05 PM Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon If Pigs have wings, there's a long list of things that I'd need to do. Webguy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Schmehl Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:59 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:52:54 CDT, you said: I don't understand they very same people who voted for that pig (GWB) Keep in mind that less than half the registered voters voted for him. And close to half of the people who *did* vote didn't vote for him. If some of the non-voters who didn't like him *had* voted, he'd likely not gotten back in office. And if pigs had wings they could fly. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
Because theres going to be major cyber attacks next month if this guy is sent to the United States. On 4/14/06, joe haldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are people bringing politics into the mailing lists? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
n3td3v wrote: Because theres going to be major cyber attacks next month if this guy is sent to the United States. That settles it. May as well disconnect right now. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
Ah, so you're stating you have prior knowledge of and involvement in a Felony conspiracy? n3td3v wrote: Because theres going to be major cyber attacks next month if this guy is sent to the United States. On 4/14/06, joe haldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are people bringing politics into the mailing lists? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
sure sounds like he has prior knowledge of a terrorist cyber-attack to me. - Original Message - From: Nobody Particular [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon Ah, so you're stating you have prior knowledge of and involvement in a Felony conspiracy? n3td3v wrote: Because theres going to be major cyber attacks next month if this guy is sent to the United States. On 4/14/06, joe haldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are people bringing politics into the mailing lists? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
I'm expressing an opinion. You know, the reason you guys are bombing the hell out of innocent civils for, to make it possible for folks to express an opinion. If this was China, I wouldn't be allowed to express an opinion, i'd be locked up or have my house knocked down, to make room for sky scrapers to develop upon. This is a UK maling list, and while you Ameircans don't believe in freedom, we in UK do, so go ahead, arrest me, make me a cyber celebrity and throw away the key. Thats what the super power of freedom does, locks people up and throw away the key, without a trial. On 4/14/06, Nobody Particular [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, so you're stating you have prior knowledge of and involvement in a Felony conspiracy? n3td3v wrote: Because theres going to be major cyber attacks next month if this guy is sent to the United States. On 4/14/06, joe haldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are people bringing politics into the mailing lists? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
RE: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
Remember, not everybody in America shares the same opinion as those who are in charge. Bush's approval rating is 35%, the lowest of his presidency, and I expect that it will only get lower. Nobody says anybody approves of the bombing of civilians. Webguy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n3td3v Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:48 PM To: Nobody Particular; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon I'm expressing an opinion. You know, the reason you guys are bombing the hell out of innocent civils for, to make it possible for folks to express an opinion. If this was China, I wouldn't be allowed to express an opinion, i'd be locked up or have my house knocked down, to make room for sky scrapers to develop upon. This is a UK maling list, and while you Ameircans don't believe in freedom, we in UK do, so go ahead, arrest me, make me a cyber celebrity and throw away the key. Thats what the super power of freedom does, locks people up and throw away the key, without a trial. On 4/14/06, Nobody Particular [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, so you're stating you have prior knowledge of and involvement in a Felony conspiracy? n3td3v wrote: Because theres going to be major cyber attacks next month if this guy is sent to the United States. On 4/14/06, joe haldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are people bringing politics into the mailing lists? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
Lock me up, throw away the key... go on. Send me to Gbay and torture and rape me, like whats already happening. United States of Human Rights On 4/14/06, Exibar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sure sounds like he has prior knowledge of a terrorist cyber-attack to me. - Original Message - From: Nobody Particular [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon Ah, so you're stating you have prior knowledge of and involvement in a Felony conspiracy? n3td3v wrote: Because theres going to be major cyber attacks next month if this guy is sent to the United States. On 4/14/06, joe haldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are people bringing politics into the mailing lists? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
At no point in your statement did you indicate that in fact it was an opinion - it was written as an assertion of future action (granted, conditional on another future action). Assertions of the surety of actions occurring in the future imply prior knowledge of their occuurance, hence my statement in regards to being involved in a conspiracy. However, my statement was meant more in the vein of sarcasm - think of it as a watch out mate. Some people don't really seem to like you much, and might very well be vindictive enough to try and get you involved in legal difficulties should these presumed attacks occur. And in addition, under what basis are you assuming that I am a US citizen? n3td3v wrote: I'm expressing an opinion. You know, the reason you guys are bombing the hell out of innocent civils for, to make it possible for folks to express an opinion. If this was China, I wouldn't be allowed to express an opinion, i'd be locked up or have my house knocked down, to make room for sky scrapers to develop upon. This is a UK maling list, and while you Ameircans don't believe in freedom, we in UK do, so go ahead, arrest me, make me a cyber celebrity and throw away the key. Thats what the super power of freedom does, locks people up and throw away the key, without a trial. On 4/14/06, Nobody Particular [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, so you're stating you have prior knowledge of and involvement in a Felony conspiracy? n3td3v wrote: Because theres going to be major cyber attacks next month if this guy is sent to the United States. On 4/14/06, joe haldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are people bringing politics into the mailing lists? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
But the majority do, because he was re-voted into power. Unless you know of any e-voting conspiracies? On 4/14/06, Dixon, Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember, not everybody in America shares the same opinion as those who are in charge. Bush's approval rating is 35%, the lowest of his presidency, and I expect that it will only get lower. Nobody says anybody approves of the bombing of civilians. Webguy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n3td3v Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 2:48 PM To: Nobody Particular; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon I'm expressing an opinion. You know, the reason you guys are bombing the hell out of innocent civils for, to make it possible for folks to express an opinion. If this was China, I wouldn't be allowed to express an opinion, i'd be locked up or have my house knocked down, to make room for sky scrapers to develop upon. This is a UK maling list, and while you Ameircans don't believe in freedom, we in UK do, so go ahead, arrest me, make me a cyber celebrity and throw away the key. Thats what the super power of freedom does, locks people up and throw away the key, without a trial. On 4/14/06, Nobody Particular [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, so you're stating you have prior knowledge of and involvement in a Felony conspiracy? n3td3v wrote: Because theres going to be major cyber attacks next month if this guy is sent to the United States. On 4/14/06, joe haldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are people bringing politics into the mailing lists? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
Dixon, Wayne wrote: Remember, not everybody in America shares the same opinion as those who are in charge. Bush's approval rating is 35%, the lowest of his presidency, and I expect that it will only get lower. Nobody says anybody approves of the bombing of civilians. And only liars claim the US bombs civilians. But those Al Qaeda guysnow *they* act on principle -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
I wasn't talking about Iraq. I was talking about Gbay, which the UK and the United Nations have told the United States to close down, which they said NO to. Like the United States said NO to the United Nations, when the United Nations told the United States not to attack Iraq. With United States, its a big NO to the world. On 4/14/06, Paul Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So *that's* why you Brits are involved in Iraq... ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yo Paul! On Fri, 14 Apr 2006, Paul Schmehl wrote: Nobody says anybody approves of the bombing of civilians. And only liars claim the US bombs civilians. Funniest thing I heard all day. RGDS GARY - --- Gary E. Miller Rellim 20340 Empire Blvd, Suite E-3, Bend, OR 97701 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:+1(541)382-8588 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEQAF88KZibdeR3qURAu1UAKDrP7P70V36aEsa8mmpKkuiHjRRQgCdEbDe Ui9dWWrDIYFwTxJ0G5owdfg= =KiOW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
I'll bite. On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 20:47 +0100, n3td3v wrote: and while you Ameircans don't believe in freedom, we in UK do, so go ahead, arrest me, make me a cyber celebrity and throw away the key. Thats what the super power of freedom does, locks people up and throw away the key, without a trial. Take a peek at: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmbills/141/06141.i-ii.htm Lovingly known as the Abolition of Parliament Bill. Any Government minister can Create, Update or Delete almost[0] any law *without* reference to Parliament. No debate, no vote, no nothing. ... and tell me that the British population is interested in freedom. Fifty years of progressive change and the population is neutered. A nation primarily formed of slaves and cowards. With all the faults that America has, at least a higher proportion of their population is still willing to stand up to their corrupt government and show they have some balls. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
Paul Schmehl wrote: Dixon, Wayne wrote: Remember, not everybody in America shares the same opinion as those who are in charge. Bush's approval rating is 35%, the lowest of his presidency, and I expect that it will only get lower. Nobody says anybody approves of the bombing of civilians. And only liars claim the US bombs civilians. And only morons ignore the military concept of collateral damage. So far, I haven't heard anyone say that the United States military targets civilians, simply that they bomb them... and all that has to happen for that statement to be true is for bombs to inflict damage to civilians, which is virtually guaranteed in war. Not that intellectual honesty is anything that the average neo-con knows anything about... You're still stuck on They're greeting us with flowers and candy from a conceptual standpoint... The reality-impaired right wing needs to reconsider its positions. -bkfsec ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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n3td3v wrote: I wasn't talking about Iraq. I was talking about Gbay, which the UK and the United Nations have told the United States to close down, which they said NO to. Like the United States said NO to the United Nations, when the United Nations told the United States not to attack Iraq. With United States, its a big NO to the world. And hopefully the next big NO from the US will be - NO, you can't house your stupid, worthless, bureaucratic, corrupt, steaming pile of horse manure in our country any more. Find another place. You have six months to move. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
Paul Schmehl wrote: And hopefully the next big NO from the US will be - NO, you can't house your stupid, worthless, bureaucratic, corrupt, steaming pile of horse manure in our country any more. Find another place. You have six months to move. I think you're confused. This is what the US will be saying to the regressive, fascist, corrupt neo-conservative movement. -bkfsec ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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n3tdev, can you pls post some hirespics of yourself? almost every serious security researcher has pictures of himself on the interweb (look at Dave Aitel, he's a cat!)Thanks!On 4/14/06, bkfsec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Schmehl wrote: And hopefully the next big NO from the US will be - NO, you can't house your stupid, worthless, bureaucratic, corrupt, steaming pile of horse manure in our country any more.Find another place.You have six months to move.I think you're confused.This is what the US will be saying to theregressive, fascist, corrupt neo-conservative movement.-bkfsec___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.htmlHosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
Poor English skills? On 4/14/06, Nobody Particular [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip/ And in addition, under what basis are you assuming that I am a US citizen? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
RE: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
Plenty of pics here http://images.google.com/images?q=douchebaghl=enbtnG=Search+Images From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MR BABSSent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:26 PMTo: full-disclosureSubject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon n3tdev, can you pls post some hirespics of yourself? almost every serious security researcher has pictures of himself on the interweb (look at Dave Aitel, he's a cat!)Thanks! On 4/14/06, bkfsec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Schmehl wrote: And hopefully the next big NO from the US will be - NO, you can't house your stupid, worthless, bureaucratic, corrupt, steaming pile of horse manure in our country any more.Find another place.You have six months to move.I think you're confused.This is what the US will be saying to theregressive, fascist, corrupt neo-conservative movement.-bkfsec___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.htmlHosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/311 - Release Date: 4/13/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/311 - Release Date: 4/13/2006 ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
On 4/14/06, *bkfsec* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Schmehl wrote: And hopefully the next big NO from the US will be - NO, you can't house your stupid, worthless, bureaucratic, corrupt, steaming pile of horse manure in our country any more. Find another place. You have six months to move. I think you're confused. This is what the US will be saying to the regressive, fascist, corrupt neo-conservative movement. Just like they have in all the previous elections, huh? -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
On Fri, 14 Apr 2006, joe haldon wrote: And why should people demonize a person or party just because they don't agree? Generally, demonizing the other side is neither factually correct nor ethically responsible, *however*, since GWB *IS*, -in fact-, the devil himself What I wanna know is this: we have perfectly good, responsible assasins in prison -- doing NOTHING --, when they could be *put to work* for the State. Lets face it, we NEED this service right now! -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF 'The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.' St. George Tucker ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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Ah, so you're stating you have prior knowledge of and involvement in a Felony conspiracy? Naw... He read something about it on rne -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xBD4A95BF 'The right of self defence is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any colour or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.' St. George Tucker ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 20:57:05 BST, n3td3v said: But the majority do, because he was re-voted into power. Pay attention. Less than 50% of the eligible voters voted for him. Pay closer attention. He was ELECTED. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, don't it? -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
You can't please everyone all of the time, but you can piss off everyone all of the time and that is showing impartiality. Sorry, I have to nit-pick. On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 14:56 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: And only liars claim the US bombs civilians. There is no doubt whatsoever that the US has bombed civilians, hell - the US bombed their British allies and the Chinese embassy :-). The question is whether the targetting of civillians was intentional. By and large in Iraq I would hold believe No. The reason for the by and large is that the US did intentionally target Al Jazeera journalists. Whether you consider them civilians or targets depends entirely on your point of view. My personal opinion is that they are civilians. But those Al Qaeda guysnow *they* act on principle Actually, they do. Just because the principle is morally corrupt doesn't mean that it isn't a principle. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 20:57 +0100, n3td3v wrote: But the majority do, because he was re-voted into power. Unless you know of any e-voting conspiracies? You would not believe the amount of corruption in the e-voting system. By corruption I am not talking about political corruption but lack of data integrity. Auditing from 3rd parties on records from random voting machines have showed voting timestamps over a period of 25 years. The software company claims that the data however is still valid :-D ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 15:12 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: And hopefully the next big NO from the US will be - NO, you can't house your stupid, worthless, bureaucratic, corrupt, steaming pile of horse manure in our country any more. Find another place. You have six months to move. Amen. We have enough problems keeping our own lot of festering corrupt politicians in line without having to worry about another group which we have no say in. I like my Foreign Policy like I like my Women. Free trade with all, entanglements with none :-) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 21:07 +0100, n3td3v wrote: which they said NO to. Like the United States said NO to the United Nations, when the United Nations told the United States not to attack Iraq. One of the advantages of being a soverign nation is that you can ignore other countries and organisations. I'm sure you would be the first to complain if the UN decided to try to ban security scanning and exploit software from all member nations (as they have been trying to do with small-arms). Surely it is up to any country to decide its own domestic and foreign policy. Remember the fundimental cause of WWI was a chain-reaction of treaties. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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Redvers Davies wrote: But those Al Qaeda guysnow *they* act on principle Actually, they do. Indeed -- and it's basically the same principle (God is good and we are enacting his will) as guides the US' current loony fundamentalist Christian right neo-con government... Just because the principle is morally corrupt doesn't mean that it isn't a principle. ...which makes this correct observation of yours all the more telling. Regards, Nick FitzGerald ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
It is believed human rights hacktivists are set to launch a response if British hacker Gary McKinnon is sent to Guantanamo Bay. Symantec are set to raise their ThreatCon level to warn administrators of the situation as the case comes to a climax next month. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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This is what is affectionally known as political punishment. Somebody who has nothing do with a terrorist sect, is threatened with The Bay. Feel big now do ya George? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n3td3v Sent: 13 April 2006 15:39 To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon It is believed human rights hacktivists are set to launch a response if British hacker Gary McKinnon is sent to Guantanamo Bay. Symantec are set to raise their ThreatCon level to warn administrators of the situation as the case comes to a climax next month. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
Yes, the whole George W Bush and War On Terror thing has got out of hand now. On 4/13/06, Edward Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is what is affectionally known as political punishment. Somebody who has nothing do with a terrorist sect, is threatened with The Bay. Feel big now do ya George? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n3td3v Sent: 13 April 2006 15:39 To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon It is believed human rights hacktivists are set to launch a response if British hacker Gary McKinnon is sent to Guantanamo Bay. Symantec are set to raise their ThreatCon level to warn administrators of the situation as the case comes to a climax next month. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:50:36 BST, n3td3v said: Yes, the whole George W Bush and War On Terror thing has got out of hand now. GW and company are terrified of any threats to their total control of the planet. Anything that terrifies them counts as terrorism, s pgptFwU1CGCos.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon
On Thursday, April 13, 2006 2:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:09:19 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Gary McKinnon On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 17:50:36 BST, n3td3v said: Yes, the whole George W Bush and War On Terror thing has got out of hand now. GW and company are terrified of any threats to their total control of the planet. Anything that terrifies them counts as terrorism, s I don't understand they very same people who voted for that pig (GWB) are now complaining about him. So, if all hax0rs out our money together could we buy an election in some country to make us powerful, thus express out discontent for him? Do you think this would be cause to have a nuclear bomb droped on us? Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds - Einstein Cuanta estupidez en tan poco cerebro! ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
