Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
On 01/26/2012 03:04 AM, Marcio B. Jr. wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Levente Peressheri...@sansz.org wrote: This will give decision makers EXACTLY what they WANT. Those who have already given up democracy think that way. Not necessarily. I strongly believe in the principle of democracy. In fact I'm from a country where people fought and died for it, similar to the US and many others. And I also hear simple people like me and politicians alike, talk about it, and cite it over again, but more often than not, I just don't see it happening. I don't want to get into any conspiracy theory - either one thinks that way or doesn't, but if you look at the patterns, then let's just say that strong interest groups somehow always seem to get past these democratic barriers to create situations in which they can generate profit. Fortunately, most of the time they still need to play for the public and ask nicely first before they can do whatever they damn well please. But I feel that is changing. They get more and more bold, for example, just yesterday I read Chris Dodd saying something like... “Those who count on ‘Hollywood’ for support need to understand that this industry is watching very carefully who’s going to stand up for them when their job is at stake. Don’t ask me to write a check for you when you think your job is at risk and then don’t pay any attention to me when my job is at stake.” ... in plain daylight, on Fox News I believe. Yes, we have such thing as democracy out there - but we also have self-interest, and this self-interest also exists in officials, and it can be exploited. Lately, after Wikipedia and many others stood by the people, peacefully but with great resolve, public will has won. Not necessarily because that was the will of the people - to have none of PIPA etc... - but more likely because we have triggered this protection of self interest in the officials. Quite simply, elected ones got afraid of not being re-elected, or just going too far and getting into something they cannot handle with a popular face. They appeared to have no valid moral reason anymore to cooperate with the passing, so they bailed out. This is what peaceful show of resolve and public will has achieved and I'm immensely proud of that... I honestly believe that this is a very effective way to resist if enough people stand behind it, like with the blackouts. But these interest groups know that officials also have a mandate to protect security, which is a largely different matter. If they can picture it so that security's being violated somehow, and start making enough noise about security and telling people that you could be attacked next as so on, then quite simply, people will start demanding them to do whatever they wanted to do in the first place. We want to be secure, now you are our officials, so do whatever needs to be done! Not all people of course... not everyone will react this way. But just enough to allow them to move on, the majority, or so they will make it appear trough mainstream media. That way they can proceed without loosing chance for re-election, in fact they may even be lauded as heros who can make hard decisions. A nice abuse of democratic principles. On the other hand, if this threat can be pumped up big enough to warrant an attack on the country, then it's even worse. Then they won't need you to agree to/with anything, they can do whatever they want to do by definition of protecting national security. This is why I believe that going to cyberwar (essentially: hard violence) over this or anything else is counter-effective. Levente ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
Hi Levente, On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Levente Peres sheri...@sansz.org wrote: On 01/26/2012 03:04 AM, Marcio B. Jr. wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Levente Peressheri...@sansz.org wrote: This will give decision makers EXACTLY what they WANT. Those who have already given up democracy think that way. I don't want to get into any conspiracy theory - either one thinks that way or doesn't, but if you look at the patterns, then let's just say that strong interest groups somehow always seem to get past these democratic barriers to create situations in which they can generate profit. conspiracy theory?? let's just say?? That happens. It is, say, a fact. Fortunately, most of the time they still need to play for the public and ask nicely first before they can do whatever they damn well please. Wrong. Corporations do whatever they please, and that is achieved through propaganda, which in turn, prepares the masses to think they are being asked nicely. But I feel that is changing. Yes, it's getting internationally worst. Search for ACTA. One crackdown we're living in. Goal is: keeping knowledge away from the people. Yes, we have such thing as democracy out there Where is it? Switzerland maybe? The kibbutzim of Israel? - but we also have self-interest, and this self-interest also exists in officials, and it can be exploited. And non-officials can react to that. Lately, after Wikipedia and many others stood by the people, peacefully but with great resolve, public will has won. Not necessarily because that was the will of the people - to have none of PIPA etc... - Not the people as a whole (which would be ideal) but a small part of it who is trying to participate more often in wide scope decisions. but more likely because we have triggered this protection of self interest in the officials. Which is still a will. Quite simply, elected ones got afraid of not being re-elected, or just going too far and getting into something they cannot handle with a popular face. They appeared to have no valid moral reason anymore to cooperate with the passing, so they bailed out. That is not democracy but a rotten representative system. Masses were taught to accept it as fair. But these interest groups know that officials also have a mandate to protect security, which is a largely different matter. Man, why you keep separating officials from interest groups? They are the same thing. SAME THING. If they can picture it so that security's being violated somehow, and start making enough noise about security and telling people that you could be attacked next as so on, then quite simply, people will start demanding them to do whatever they wanted to do in the first place. Naivety detected. Conglomerates' propaganda indoctrinates most of the people to see insecurity and fear where and when is appropriate. Marcio Barbado, Jr. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
Hi Marcio, Thanks for your answer. On 01/26/2012 02:07 PM, Marcio B. Jr. wrote: I don't want to get into any conspiracy theory - either one thinks that way or doesn't, but if you look at the patterns, then let's just say that strong interest groups somehow always seem to get past these democratic barriers to create situations in which they can generate profit. conspiracy theory?? let's just say?? That happens. It is, say, a fact. I agree, unfortunately... Fortunately, most of the time they still need to play for the public and ask nicely first before they can do whatever they damn well please. Wrong. Corporations do whatever they please, and that is achieved through propaganda, which in turn, prepares the masses to think they are being asked nicely. If we break it down then yes, it effectively comes down to this. However disgusting. But I don't believe this is so much black and white. I don't think they have managed to brainwash everyone so much yet so that they don't need some RPG to justify their actions. We can call this propaganda or whatever. But we still have some nerve and some power in our hands to say no to things that we don't like, and this constitutes our own propaganda. And when we do say no loud enough, they usually back off and try another way. If this was not the case, actions like the previous blackouts wouldn't have meant a damn thing, the bills would have passed immediately. Why play around when you can just do it without consequence? I think they, or rather, the pawns they control, do need our - however limited - approval for now, and we should take advantage of that. But I feel that is changing. Yes, it's getting internationally worst. Search for ACTA. One crackdown we're living in. Goal is: keeping knowledge away from the people. Don't we know that over here with the EU scandal... Citizens here (and not just here, sadly) still think that our national bank is a National bank... some even go out as far as saying it is, as far as they honestly believe, answerable to the government or to the people. Then, just when a straightforward-looking thing, like an obligation for the president of the National bank having to take a sworn oath to the constitution creates an uproar among EU interests and we are suddenly branded almost fascists as a country because of this and similar issues, do some start to question what the heck is going on with the world they think they knew... Yes, we have such thing as democracy out there Where is it? Switzerland maybe? The kibbutzim of Israel? I'm afraid I misphrased this. Let me try the other way... maybe seen just as wrong, but perhaps more correctly put... We have the fabric of democracy - filled for the most part, with pawns. Pawns we're being offered as a choice. Hard to work a democracy or make any kind of serious vote when your only choice is, more often than not, pawn A and pawn B. Lately, after Wikipedia and many others stood by the people, peacefully but with great resolve, public will has won. Not necessarily because that was the will of the people - to have none of PIPA etc... - Not the people as a whole (which would be ideal) but a small part of it who is trying to participate more often in wide scope decisions. But this also shows that even if there're only a small part of activists, people who are rather passive can still be influenced by their actions, change their view no matter what CNN noise propagates... thereby possibly negating the effect of the mainstream washing machine. Even if only (for the sake of saying it) 10 people are shouting, many more could start to quietly agree with them and it will, inevitably, influence their future actions. And, for now at least, public opinion does matter, otherwise there would be no need for the propaganda system. but more likely because we have triggered this protection of self interest in the officials. Which is still a will. A will, yes. But at least our will. We show them our will that unless they satisfy our needs now and again, we will not vote for them and they won't get money, very simply put. They still be stuck between two masters, but they will not be so easily convinced to ignore us. Quite simply, elected ones got afraid of not being re-elected, or just going too far and getting into something they cannot handle with a popular face. They appeared to have no valid moral reason anymore to cooperate with the passing, so they bailed out. That is not democracy but a rotten representative system. Masses were taught to accept it as fair. No argument there... But unfortunately, it all comes down to human nature... As far as I've seen it, anyone having the initiative to be any kind of serious leader or official - respect goes out to the few exceptions - has the inherent capacity for greed. Greed is a heavy instinct, and it can be easily controlled. So my point is that we shouldn't shout at democracy
[Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
(CBS) - The week began on a high note for Internet activist. The biggest organized effort to blackout websites in solidarity over the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) was a huge success sources form for more details http://www.karmacyberintel.net/2012/01/megaupload-anonymous-hacker-retaliation-nobody-wins/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
On a personal note, maybe OFF... I fail to see the gain in such retaliations, especially in organized ones... First the Megaupload retaliation, now the UN... and for what... I know people want to be heard, but this is plainly sending the wrong message. This will give decision makers EXACTLY what they WANT. They coax otherwise smart people into acting out violently, thereby creating just the false-flag anarchy to prove their point, which is: yes, we need to censor and control everything especially the Internet, because see, there's already a 'war out there at the gates and we need to protect etc. whatever'. We've seen it before countless times and this reverse strategy almost always works. If anyone from the responsible groups are reading this, please know that I'm not against the point that you are trying to make... You are all learned and knowledgable people, otherwise you wouldn't have been able to pull this complicated scheme off... but I implore you to reconsider such outbursts in the future for the sake of the very thing that you are trying to protect... What's done is done, but let's not give these goons one more reason to take away freedom even more so... Please. Just consider this. That's all I'm asking... And I guess that's all I wanted to say. Levente On 01/25/2012 08:20 AM, karma cyberintel wrote: (CBS) - The week began on a high note for Internet activist. The biggest organized effort to blackout websites in solidarity over the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) was a huge success sources form for more details http://www.karmacyberintel.net/2012/01/megaupload-anonymous-hacker-retaliation-nobody-wins/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
stfu idiot. they can do wtf they want, think about that! now, go fuck yaself...and enjoy mailing on FD and secunia is like, got smtp problems now ;) tc. GLOW you all thought im some fuckwit called n3td3v ,for this, you all pay! I, single fucking handedly, will destroy secunia , and this bs list. BELIEVE THAT TO! On 26 January 2012 07:53, Levente Peres sheri...@sansz.org wrote: On a personal note, maybe OFF... I fail to see the gain in such retaliations, especially in organized ones... First the Megaupload retaliation, now the UN... and for what... I know people want to be heard, but this is plainly sending the wrong message. This will give decision makers EXACTLY what they WANT. They coax otherwise smart people into acting out violently, thereby creating just the false-flag anarchy to prove their point, which is: yes, we need to censor and control everything especially the Internet, because see, there's already a 'war out there at the gates and we need to protect etc. whatever'. We've seen it before countless times and this reverse strategy almost always works. If anyone from the responsible groups are reading this, please know that I'm not against the point that you are trying to make... You are all learned and knowledgable people, otherwise you wouldn't have been able to pull this complicated scheme off... but I implore you to reconsider such outbursts in the future for the sake of the very thing that you are trying to protect... What's done is done, but let's not give these goons one more reason to take away freedom even more so... Please. Just consider this. That's all I'm asking... And I guess that's all I wanted to say. Levente On 01/25/2012 08:20 AM, karma cyberintel wrote: (CBS) - The week began on a high note for Internet activist. The biggest organized effort to blackout websites in solidarity over the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) was a huge success sources form for more details http://www.karmacyberintel.net/2012/01/megaupload-anonymous-hacker-retaliation-nobody-wins/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
Douchebags are all the same everywhere, even if you aren't Andrew Wallace, this does not make you not a douchebag. Sorry. Good luck with your packets! Andrew On 1/25/2012 4:24 PM, xD 0x41 wrote: stfu idiot. they can do wtf they want, think about that! now, go fuck yaself...and enjoy mailing on FD and secunia is like, got smtp problems now ;) tc. GLOW you all thought im some fuckwit called n3td3v ,for this, you all pay! I, single fucking handedly, will destroy secunia , and this bs list. BELIEVE THAT TO! On 26 January 2012 07:53, Levente Peressheri...@sansz.org wrote: On a personal note, maybe OFF... I fail to see the gain in such retaliations, especially in organized ones... First the Megaupload retaliation, now the UN... and for what... I know people want to be heard, but this is plainly sending the wrong message. This will give decision makers EXACTLY what they WANT. They coax otherwise smart people into acting out violently, thereby creating just the false-flag anarchy to prove their point, which is: yes, we need to censor and control everything especially the Internet, because see, there's already a 'war out there at the gates and we need to protect etc. whatever'. We've seen it before countless times and this reverse strategy almost always works. If anyone from the responsible groups are reading this, please know that I'm not against the point that you are trying to make... You are all learned and knowledgable people, otherwise you wouldn't have been able to pull this complicated scheme off... but I implore you to reconsider such outbursts in the future for the sake of the very thing that you are trying to protect... What's done is done, but let's not give these goons one more reason to take away freedom even more so... Please. Just consider this. That's all I'm asking... And I guess that's all I wanted to say. Levente On 01/25/2012 08:20 AM, karma cyberintel wrote: (CBS) - The week began on a high note for Internet activist. The biggest organized effort to blackout websites in solidarity over the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) was a huge success sources form for more details http://www.karmacyberintel.net/2012/01/megaupload-anonymous-hacker-retaliation-nobody-wins/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
I am pretty sure their host is gonna be suspending them after the DDoS that just hit them. (their real host that is, not the proxy. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
yea...well, they think I am you...so... lol, i hope they do :P coz, you will get fuxed, for anything i have said :) later! On 26 January 2012 09:10, andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: My lawyers are looking through this thread to see if anything libelous has been said against me or the n3td3v organisation. --- Andrew Wallace Independent consultant www.n3td3v.org.uk From: xD 0x41 sec...@gmail.com To: Levente Peres sheri...@sansz.org Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins stfu idiot. they can do wtf they want, think about that! now, go fuck yaself...and enjoy mailing on FD and secunia is like, got smtp problems now ;) tc. GLOW you all thought im some fuckwit called n3td3v ,for this, you all pay! I, single fucking handedly, will destroy secunia , and this bs list. BELIEVE THAT TO! On 26 January 2012 07:53, Levente Peres sheri...@sansz.org wrote: On a personal note, maybe OFF... I fail to see the gain in such retaliations, especially in organized ones... First the Megaupload retaliation, now the UN... and for what... I know people want to be heard, but this is plainly sending the wrong message. This will give decision makers EXACTLY what they WANT. They coax otherwise smart people into acting out violently, thereby creating just the false-flag anarchy to prove their point, which is: yes, we need to censor and control everything especially the Internet, because see, there's already a 'war out there at the gates and we need to protect etc. whatever'. We've seen it before countless times and this reverse strategy almost always works. If anyone from the responsible groups are reading this, please know that I'm not against the point that you are trying to make... You are all learned and knowledgable people, otherwise you wouldn't have been able to pull this complicated scheme off... but I implore you to reconsider such outbursts in the future for the sake of the very thing that you are trying to protect... What's done is done, but let's not give these goons one more reason to take away freedom even more so... Please. Just consider this. That's all I'm asking... And I guess that's all I wanted to say. Levente On 01/25/2012 08:20 AM, karma cyberintel wrote: (CBS) - The week began on a high note for Internet activist. The biggest organized effort to blackout websites in solidarity over the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) was a huge success sources form for more details http://www.karmacyberintel.net/2012/01/megaupload-anonymous-hacker-retaliation-nobody-wins/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
well.. thats exactly whats happening :) so, hope your lawyer, is a fucking GUN! lol.. thats just, i hope, your twelling truth and DO have this power...to ruin them... as id love to watch :) under, your name, or, mine..your in UK, im not... :) oh, they been defaming, for ages now..and, ignoring also...because i wouldnot give them, my 0days..well, they can smoke my cock now... coz, half of them, i have in one *channel* , and the other, are about to join it..and secunia...has probs, with smtp :) so, if i am doing all of this to them, and theyre blaming YOU, well, thats not my fault, i and even others, have tried to tell them, our names, mean little...and, my name is NOT Andrew, it is DREW... or rather, in scottish it is, (highlands) dRU ... So, yes, theyre defaming but, i want to see you, actually do something, coz sofar, this has been said before, about them breaking laws etc etc, wich, they are, simply by adding you or me, as a 'cc' is automtically forcing us, to read theyre crap, wether i like you, or not... now, they hve been told, but, im actually, starting to like you now ;) you sure, we arent the same guy ? coz, we are soo similar :P~~ And secunia,and FD, is finished this year :) Now as for secunia, it is yes sirs, to all those, who helped me, when, i was asking for YOUR helps, wich, i doubt you even would remember coz, ofcourse, you guys would NEVER do that to someone, then, have nonstop, attacked my persona... thinking, i am someone else...well, there is stacks, and stacks.. of emails, and many in private either way, i will destroy secunia and Fd, on my own. this year, is fds lastm, enjoy it. GLOWING DOOM FOR ALL On 26 January 2012 09:36, andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: That is unfortunate for them because defamation is against the law. I take a tough approach these days to anyone using the list in this way. You are not anonymous, you are reachable anywhere in the world. Andrew From: xD 0x41 sec...@gmail.com To: andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins yea...well, they think I am you...so... lol, i hope they do :P coz, you will get fuxed, for anything i have said :) later! On 26 January 2012 09:10, andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: My lawyers are looking through this thread to see if anything libelous has been said against me or the n3td3v organisation. --- Andrew Wallace Independent consultant www.n3td3v.org.uk From: xD 0x41 sec...@gmail.com To: Levente Peres sheri...@sansz.org Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins stfu idiot. they can do wtf they want, think about that! now, go fuck yaself...and enjoy mailing on FD and secunia is like, got smtp problems now ;) tc. GLOW you all thought im some fuckwit called n3td3v ,for this, you all pay! I, single fucking handedly, will destroy secunia , and this bs list. BELIEVE THAT TO! On 26 January 2012 07:53, Levente Peres sheri...@sansz.org wrote: On a personal note, maybe OFF... I fail to see the gain in such retaliations, especially in organized ones... First the Megaupload retaliation, now the UN... and for what... I know people want to be heard, but this is plainly sending the wrong message. This will give decision makers EXACTLY what they WANT. They coax otherwise smart people into acting out violently, thereby creating just the false-flag anarchy to prove their point, which is: yes, we need to censor and control everything especially the Internet, because see, there's already a 'war out there at the gates and we need to protect etc. whatever'. We've seen it before countless times and this reverse strategy almost always works. If anyone from the responsible groups are reading this, please know that I'm not against the point that you are trying to make... You are all learned and knowledgable people, otherwise you wouldn't have been able to pull this complicated scheme off... but I implore you to reconsider such outbursts in the future for the sake of the very thing that you are trying to protect... What's done is done, but let's not give these goons one more reason to take away freedom even more so... Please. Just consider this. That's all I'm asking... And I guess that's all I wanted to say. Levente On 01/25/2012 08:20 AM, karma cyberintel wrote: (CBS) - The week began on a high note for Internet activist. The biggest organized effort to blackout websites in solidarity over the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) was a huge success sources form for more details http://www.karmacyberintel.net/2012/01/megaupload
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
You are not anonymous, you are reachable anywhere in the world. hahah yes sir. suck my dick now, and stfu, actually no keep talking, itll give me more reasons, to own you and put you in my 'army' also :) so, ill ddos your own site, with your own box, k :) enjoy, security expert :P hahahahaha On 26 January 2012 09:36, andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: That is unfortunate for them because defamation is against the law. I take a tough approach these days to anyone using the list in this way. You are not anonymous, you are reachable anywhere in the world. Andrew From: xD 0x41 sec...@gmail.com To: andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins yea...well, they think I am you...so... lol, i hope they do :P coz, you will get fuxed, for anything i have said :) later! On 26 January 2012 09:10, andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: My lawyers are looking through this thread to see if anything libelous has been said against me or the n3td3v organisation. --- Andrew Wallace Independent consultant www.n3td3v.org.uk From: xD 0x41 sec...@gmail.com To: Levente Peres sheri...@sansz.org Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins stfu idiot. they can do wtf they want, think about that! now, go fuck yaself...and enjoy mailing on FD and secunia is like, got smtp problems now ;) tc. GLOW you all thought im some fuckwit called n3td3v ,for this, you all pay! I, single fucking handedly, will destroy secunia , and this bs list. BELIEVE THAT TO! On 26 January 2012 07:53, Levente Peres sheri...@sansz.org wrote: On a personal note, maybe OFF... I fail to see the gain in such retaliations, especially in organized ones... First the Megaupload retaliation, now the UN... and for what... I know people want to be heard, but this is plainly sending the wrong message. This will give decision makers EXACTLY what they WANT. They coax otherwise smart people into acting out violently, thereby creating just the false-flag anarchy to prove their point, which is: yes, we need to censor and control everything especially the Internet, because see, there's already a 'war out there at the gates and we need to protect etc. whatever'. We've seen it before countless times and this reverse strategy almost always works. If anyone from the responsible groups are reading this, please know that I'm not against the point that you are trying to make... You are all learned and knowledgable people, otherwise you wouldn't have been able to pull this complicated scheme off... but I implore you to reconsider such outbursts in the future for the sake of the very thing that you are trying to protect... What's done is done, but let's not give these goons one more reason to take away freedom even more so... Please. Just consider this. That's all I'm asking... And I guess that's all I wanted to say. Levente On 01/25/2012 08:20 AM, karma cyberintel wrote: (CBS) - The week began on a high note for Internet activist. The biggest organized effort to blackout websites in solidarity over the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) was a huge success sources form for more details http://www.karmacyberintel.net/2012/01/megaupload-anonymous-hacker-retaliation-nobody-wins/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
I'm impressed that Andrew continues to maintain the dumbest person on FD position without actually being on FD. On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 5:26 PM, xD 0x41 sec...@gmail.com wrote: You are not anonymous, you are reachable anywhere in the world. hahah yes sir. suck my dick now, and stfu, actually no keep talking, itll give me more reasons, to own you and put you in my 'army' also :) so, ill ddos your own site, with your own box, k :) enjoy, security expert :P hahahahaha On 26 January 2012 09:36, andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: That is unfortunate for them because defamation is against the law. I take a tough approach these days to anyone using the list in this way. You are not anonymous, you are reachable anywhere in the world. Andrew From: xD 0x41 sec...@gmail.com To: andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins yea...well, they think I am you...so... lol, i hope they do :P coz, you will get fuxed, for anything i have said :) later! On 26 January 2012 09:10, andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: My lawyers are looking through this thread to see if anything libelous has been said against me or the n3td3v organisation. --- Andrew Wallace Independent consultant www.n3td3v.org.uk From: xD 0x41 sec...@gmail.com To: Levente Peres sheri...@sansz.org Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins stfu idiot. they can do wtf they want, think about that! now, go fuck yaself...and enjoy mailing on FD and secunia is like, got smtp problems now ;) tc. GLOW you all thought im some fuckwit called n3td3v ,for this, you all pay! I, single fucking handedly, will destroy secunia , and this bs list. BELIEVE THAT TO! On 26 January 2012 07:53, Levente Peres sheri...@sansz.org wrote: On a personal note, maybe OFF... I fail to see the gain in such retaliations, especially in organized ones... First the Megaupload retaliation, now the UN... and for what... I know people want to be heard, but this is plainly sending the wrong message. This will give decision makers EXACTLY what they WANT. They coax otherwise smart people into acting out violently, thereby creating just the false-flag anarchy to prove their point, which is: yes, we need to censor and control everything especially the Internet, because see, there's already a 'war out there at the gates and we need to protect etc. whatever'. We've seen it before countless times and this reverse strategy almost always works. If anyone from the responsible groups are reading this, please know that I'm not against the point that you are trying to make... You are all learned and knowledgable people, otherwise you wouldn't have been able to pull this complicated scheme off... but I implore you to reconsider such outbursts in the future for the sake of the very thing that you are trying to protect... What's done is done, but let's not give these goons one more reason to take away freedom even more so... Please. Just consider this. That's all I'm asking... And I guess that's all I wanted to say. Levente On 01/25/2012 08:20 AM, karma cyberintel wrote: (CBS) - The week began on a high note for Internet activist. The biggest organized effort to blackout websites in solidarity over the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) was a huge success sources form for more details http://www.karmacyberintel.net/2012/01/megaupload-anonymous-hacker-retaliation-nobody-wins/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
I have found the perfect image to describe my thoughts on this current clash of intellectuals. http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/27/arguing.jpg On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 4:26 PM, xD 0x41 sec...@gmail.com wrote: You are not anonymous, you are reachable anywhere in the world. hahah yes sir. suck my dick now, and stfu, actually no keep talking, itll give me more reasons, to own you and put you in my 'army' also :) so, ill ddos your own site, with your own box, k :) enjoy, security expert :P hahahahaha On 26 January 2012 09:36, andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: That is unfortunate for them because defamation is against the law. I take a tough approach these days to anyone using the list in this way. You are not anonymous, you are reachable anywhere in the world. Andrew From: xD 0x41 sec...@gmail.com To: andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins yea...well, they think I am you...so... lol, i hope they do :P coz, you will get fuxed, for anything i have said :) later! On 26 January 2012 09:10, andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: My lawyers are looking through this thread to see if anything libelous has been said against me or the n3td3v organisation. --- Andrew Wallace Independent consultant www.n3td3v.org.uk From: xD 0x41 sec...@gmail.com To: Levente Peres sheri...@sansz.org Cc: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins stfu idiot. they can do wtf they want, think about that! now, go fuck yaself...and enjoy mailing on FD and secunia is like, got smtp problems now ;) tc. GLOW you all thought im some fuckwit called n3td3v ,for this, you all pay! I, single fucking handedly, will destroy secunia , and this bs list. BELIEVE THAT TO! On 26 January 2012 07:53, Levente Peres sheri...@sansz.org wrote: On a personal note, maybe OFF... I fail to see the gain in such retaliations, especially in organized ones... First the Megaupload retaliation, now the UN... and for what... I know people want to be heard, but this is plainly sending the wrong message. This will give decision makers EXACTLY what they WANT. They coax otherwise smart people into acting out violently, thereby creating just the false-flag anarchy to prove their point, which is: yes, we need to censor and control everything especially the Internet, because see, there's already a 'war out there at the gates and we need to protect etc. whatever'. We've seen it before countless times and this reverse strategy almost always works. If anyone from the responsible groups are reading this, please know that I'm not against the point that you are trying to make... You are all learned and knowledgable people, otherwise you wouldn't have been able to pull this complicated scheme off... but I implore you to reconsider such outbursts in the future for the sake of the very thing that you are trying to protect... What's done is done, but let's not give these goons one more reason to take away freedom even more so... Please. Just consider this. That's all I'm asking... And I guess that's all I wanted to say. Levente On 01/25/2012 08:20 AM, karma cyberintel wrote: (CBS) - The week began on a high note for Internet activist. The biggest organized effort to blackout websites in solidarity over the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) was a huge success sources form for more details http://www.karmacyberintel.net/2012/01/megaupload-anonymous-hacker-retaliation-nobody-wins/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
On 2012-01-25, at 16:36, Sanguinarious Rose wrote: I have found the perfect image to describe my thoughts on this current clash of intellectuals. http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/27/arguing.jpg Alternatively (also, a more memorable link): http://www.internetargument.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Levente Peres sheri...@sansz.org wrote: This will give decision makers EXACTLY what they WANT. Those who have already given up democracy think that way. People must choose (participate more often in decision making), not a few conglomerates' puppets. Marcio Barbado, Jr. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:20:17 +1100, xD 0x41 said: yea...well, they think I am you...so... lol, i hope they do :P On 26 January 2012 09:10, andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: My lawyers are looking through this thread to see if anything libelous has been said against me or the n3td3v organisation. Given that I'm *still* waiting for him to carry through with his repeated threats to sue me for a BlackHat 2006 presentation that I didn't even write, I wouldn't worry too much about Andrew's lawyers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estoppel_by_acquiescence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_limitations (see period of prescription) (Andrew - I'd avoid saying your lawyers are looking at the thread, unless you actually *do* have lawyers looking. You just set the clock ticking on an acquiescence defense or a period of prescription) And I've always wondered exactly who/what the n3td3v organization is - there doesn't seem to be a consultancy doing actual business under that name, or other legal entity that would have standing in a libel suit. Who/what gets listed as plaintiff? (You may as well tell us Andrew - if we don't know who the n3td3v organization is, we can't make an attempt to avoid accidentally libeling it. :) pgpVcobIad6xd.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
On 2012-01-25, at 16:36, Sanguinarious Rose wrote: I have found the perfect image to describe my thoughts on this current clash of intellectuals. http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/27/arguing.jpg -1 ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins
Andrew Farmer wrote: Alternatively (also, a more memorable link): http://www.internetargument.com/ I think the sentiment in that one is overstated. Usually -- really? Sometimes maybe... Aspiring to -- getting closer... Regards, Nick FitzGerald ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
