Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
Come now Mr Wallace, answer my previous question in this thread. You've been posting on FD all day so there's no excuse. I'll even include it for you now incase you missed it the first time. "So n3td3v, I understand your `group` is still shut off in its own little world. But I wonder why you don't make the archives available. Perhaps it might assist you in regaining your credibility on FD and slow/stop some of the arguing. This is an actual serious inquiry." I await your timely reply. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
Hence why it's with the list of other silly excuses. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM, wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:58:34 EST, vulcanius said: > > > I'll be honest, I'm expecting either no response at all (which will > pretty > > much confirm it doesn't exist) or one of these... "There's too much > > sensitive information." > > Sensitive info shared with 4,500+ others is no longer sensitive. It's > open-sourced. > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:58:34 EST, vulcanius said: > I'll be honest, I'm expecting either no response at all (which will pretty > much confirm it doesn't exist) or one of these... "There's too much > sensitive information." Sensitive info shared with 4,500+ others is no longer sensitive. It's open-sourced. pgpp0jRLIRPni.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
So n3td3v, I understand your "group" is still shut off in its own little world. But I wonder why you don't make the archives available. Perhaps it might assist you in regaining your credibility on FD and slow/stop some of the arguing. This is an actual serious inquiry. I'll be honest, I'm expecting either no response at all (which will pretty much confirm it doesn't exist) or one of these... "There's too much sensitive information.", "I don't need to prove my credibility to anyone.", "It's not worth the effort.", "It's not possible.", so on and so forth. and sexyazngrl69, A/S/L plz! On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Jan G.B. wrote: > 2009/1/11 andrew. wallace : > > > > Trolls target people they know they can get a reaction out of thats > > why > you are here. > > You made it again - another reply ;) > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
2009/1/11 andrew. wallace : > > Trolls target people they know they can get a reaction out of thats > why you are here. You made it again - another reply ;) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
Direct quote from n3td3v: "I've been watching too many movies and using illegal substances. Time for me to go now." - http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2005-August/036365.html So you want to be mi5, but your a drug addict? Sorry they don't employ people with your state of mind. Also, they would never employ you because you are an evil blackhat hacker masquerading behind this "legitimate alias". You are known as the biggest yahoo and google blackhat hacker going around. You deliberate cause harm to servers world wide. I URGE ALL INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES TO BE WEARY OF THE ROUGE HACKER n3td3v! On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at :56 AM, andrew. wallace < andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at :41 PM, wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 :14:36 GMT, you said: > > > >> I'm not clueless on this list everything I say is pretty accurate. > > > > Go back and re-read every post you've written lately that contains the > strings > > 'MI5' or 'Mossad', and ponder how the rest of us see it. > > > Trolls target people they know they can get a reaction out of thats > why they target me, you're turning increasingly into one Valdis. > > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hehe are you trolling me? *giggle* On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:08:38 -0500 j-f sentier wrote: >> sexyazngrl69 is definitely someone that loves not hates n3td3v. >http://www.xanga.com/guestbook.aspx?user=seXyazNgRl69 > >i can understand that ;) > >2009/1/11 > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> that has never been an acceptable definition for everyone. >> >> *hugs* >> >> On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:04:33 -0500 j-f sentier >> wrote: >> >>>So you have to ask yourself this simple question : >> >>>Why everyone hates you ? >> > >> >>sexyazngrl69 is definitely someone that loves not hates >n3td3v. >> >>you're understanding of "everyone" is off. >> > >> >In this case, everyone means a majority. >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Charset: UTF8 >> Note: This signature can be verified at >https://www.hushtools.com/verify >> Version: Hush 3.0 >> >> >wpwEAQMCAAYFAklqUUYACgkQynWwk3/AtyN1mgP/UPRf6jpjBkmTNxLIMFr6VFVb/ef >O >> >tBzCOen6wcZGHvcBaYY9KkjcY35PxDXC4BxVf+x/imXhHlbDG58upi7jVlCekbQ1aV7 >x >> >R1wiRBk4vYgrpVmh1H/VEggFg/hG6vEy74hFs0RyTZJUnRBJ9gqux8skyukR+cJZqDB >k >> olmE90U= >> =dXNa >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> >> -- >> Click for free info on online doctorate degrees and make up to >$250k/ year. >> >> >http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/PnY6qxudoSFWWlqpoHjO4HGwW4SZPe5sKkbc >HbM4hGzaGY7qf0aoh/ >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wpwEAQMCAAYFAklqUrAACgkQynWwk3/AtyOeywP9F/HCBknctD6YxEdyHT7ULvXZsd+2 beta4bocCMLXnRu62t4B/yL77Qy06odmpSMLhGAcMqfrCdgiUAzzXzO1ueyJRNrF0O4x hET0qazDV32htaucXJlq1GtfC/bNqX9rxjr99Hx4fN1VwYjU713sW+xkh8rIzMWHDN7G 0CiJodU= =02lt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Click for free info on online doctorate degrees and make up to $250k/ year. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/PnY6qxudoR56fpkWS1cmihX1LC5fQ0wT2FECRDgTl5N00yXKJd21C/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
> sexyazngrl69 is definitely someone that loves not hates n3td3v. http://www.xanga.com/guestbook.aspx?user=seXyazNgRl69 i can understand that ;) 2009/1/11 > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > that has never been an acceptable definition for everyone. > > *hugs* > > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:04:33 -0500 j-f sentier > wrote: > >>>So you have to ask yourself this simple question : > >>>Why everyone hates you ? > > > >>sexyazngrl69 is definitely someone that loves not hates n3td3v. > >>you're understanding of "everyone" is off. > > > >In this case, everyone means a majority. > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Charset: UTF8 > Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify > Version: Hush 3.0 > > wpwEAQMCAAYFAklqUUYACgkQynWwk3/AtyN1mgP/UPRf6jpjBkmTNxLIMFr6VFVb/efO > tBzCOen6wcZGHvcBaYY9KkjcY35PxDXC4BxVf+x/imXhHlbDG58upi7jVlCekbQ1aV7x > R1wiRBk4vYgrpVmh1H/VEggFg/hG6vEy74hFs0RyTZJUnRBJ9gqux8skyukR+cJZqDBk > olmE90U= > =dXNa > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- > Click for free info on online doctorate degrees and make up to $250k/ year. > > http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/PnY6qxudoSFWWlqpoHjO4HGwW4SZPe5sKkbcHbM4hGzaGY7qf0aoh/ > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 that has never been an acceptable definition for everyone. *hugs* On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:04:33 -0500 j-f sentier wrote: >>>So you have to ask yourself this simple question : >>>Why everyone hates you ? > >>sexyazngrl69 is definitely someone that loves not hates n3td3v. >>you're understanding of "everyone" is off. > >In this case, everyone means a majority. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 3.0 wpwEAQMCAAYFAklqUUYACgkQynWwk3/AtyN1mgP/UPRf6jpjBkmTNxLIMFr6VFVb/efO tBzCOen6wcZGHvcBaYY9KkjcY35PxDXC4BxVf+x/imXhHlbDG58upi7jVlCekbQ1aV7x R1wiRBk4vYgrpVmh1H/VEggFg/hG6vEy74hFs0RyTZJUnRBJ9gqux8skyukR+cJZqDBk olmE90U= =dXNa -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Click for free info on online doctorate degrees and make up to $250k/ year. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/PnY6qxudoSFZYvmd7IcNarXqt0AILwABDeRPy1cZnbfHQQ45aagn2/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
>>So you have to ask yourself this simple question : >>Why everyone hates you ? >sexyazngrl69 is definitely someone that loves not hates n3td3v. >you're understanding of "everyone" is off. In this case, everyone means a majority. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hey sweetie, On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:23:12 -0500 j-f sentier wrote: >So you have to ask yourself this simple question : >Why everyone hates you ? sexyazngrl69 is definitely someone that loves not hates n3td3v. you're understanding of "everyone" is off. >Why you ? no you why you? >> *blushes* -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wpwEAQMCAAYFAklqTfMACgkQynWwk3/AtyPCmwP/SFRVlvoil+vHNkoP3oYj2tOYD/2S iS3aU9kwNCDZQIq9vwVpUeZDSVBSFpa2yvhPOELi48qx7m3eU8Yg8H6rbazWAHLA92QV SdQDJuGHaMerWfs5cxumxBm3X9IcaXCemLPnnp1b9afiHcAdM5kkGgl7NXEzCpsEpsTQ 61BM2IA= =SImy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Click here to increase your salary by earning an online degree. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/PnY6qxtpfWeTirBzHdcSxcHBfXFZEKHtrbgjG9oDkYbTFRadDSqRS/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:41 PM, wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:14:36 GMT, you said: > >> I'm not clueless on this list everything I say is pretty accurate. > > Go back and re-read every post you've written lately that contains the strings > 'MI5' or 'Mossad', and ponder how the rest of us see it. Trolls target people they know they can get a reaction out of thats why they target me, you're turning increasingly into one Valdis. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:14:36 GMT, you said: > I'm not clueless on this list everything I say is pretty accurate. Go back and re-read every post you've written lately that contains the strings 'MI5' or 'Mossad', and ponder how the rest of us see it. pgpUJPUvZNX5n.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
You don't know everyone, you only know the other *actual* trolls you social with on full-disclosure and have grouped up with to cause trouble against me. On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:23 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > So you have to ask yourself this simple question : > Why everyone hates you ? > Why you ? > > > > > > 2009/1/11 andrew. wallace >> >> Defending myself against *actual* trolls like you. >> >> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:15 PM, j-f sentier wrote: >> > LOL, if someone is ruining FD it's you with these kind of stupid post >> > twice >> > a day : >> > "Why are you against n3td3v?", >> > "They don't realise I might work for MI5", >> > "Full-Disclosure wouldn't let me post this message", >> > "n3td3v is big in the security community protecting the UK against the >> > threats.", >> > etc >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2009/1/11 andrew. wallace >> >> >> >> Keep trolling it will do you no good, you didn't read what I initially >> >> said "back off now not only are you not making >> >> any difference to me but you are only ruining the full-disclosure >> >> mailing list by the constant back and forward arguing thats going on" >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM, j-f sentier >> >> wrote: >> >> > i'm just tired as many here, to see you spamming shit around. >> >> > You said, you will leave, and as a kid, you came back 5 days later, >> >> > so let me guess: >> >> > - your mailing-list is annoying ? >> >> > - you went out of crack for a week ? >> >> > >> >> > 2009/1/11 andrew. wallace >> >> >> >> >> >> Another *actual* troll I forgot to mention... >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:32 PM, j-f sentier >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > You're a troll bitch, stop sniffing crack you loose your memory, i >> >> >> > guess >> >> >> > someone should make an wikipedia entry or something, just to >> >> >> > remind >> >> >> > you >> >> >> > what >> >> >> > kind of piece of shit you are. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Now you see that no one likes you here, so stop crying on such >> >> >> > useless >> >> >> > topics as this one, and get the fuck out. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ___ >> >> >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> >> >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> >> >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ___ >> >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
So you have to ask yourself this simple question : Why everyone hates you ? Why you ? 2009/1/11 andrew. wallace > Defending myself against *actual* trolls like you. > > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:15 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > LOL, if someone is ruining FD it's you with these kind of stupid post > twice > > a day : > > "Why are you against n3td3v?", > > "They don't realise I might work for MI5", > > "Full-Disclosure wouldn't let me post this message", > > "n3td3v is big in the security community protecting the UK against the > > threats.", > > etc > > > > > > > > > > 2009/1/11 andrew. wallace > >> > >> Keep trolling it will do you no good, you didn't read what I initially > >> said "back off now not only are you not making > >> any difference to me but you are only ruining the full-disclosure > >> mailing list by the constant back and forward arguing thats going on" > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM, j-f sentier > wrote: > >> > i'm just tired as many here, to see you spamming shit around. > >> > You said, you will leave, and as a kid, you came back 5 days later, > >> > so let me guess: > >> > - your mailing-list is annoying ? > >> > - you went out of crack for a week ? > >> > > >> > 2009/1/11 andrew. wallace > >> >> > >> >> Another *actual* troll I forgot to mention... > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:32 PM, j-f sentier > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > You're a troll bitch, stop sniffing crack you loose your memory, i > >> >> > guess > >> >> > someone should make an wikipedia entry or something, just to remind > >> >> > you > >> >> > what > >> >> > kind of piece of shit you are. > >> >> > > >> >> > Now you see that no one likes you here, so stop crying on such > >> >> > useless > >> >> > topics as this one, and get the fuck out. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ___ > >> >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> > > > > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
Defending myself against *actual* trolls like you. On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:15 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > LOL, if someone is ruining FD it's you with these kind of stupid post twice > a day : > "Why are you against n3td3v?", > "They don't realise I might work for MI5", > "Full-Disclosure wouldn't let me post this message", > "n3td3v is big in the security community protecting the UK against the > threats.", > etc > > > > > 2009/1/11 andrew. wallace >> >> Keep trolling it will do you no good, you didn't read what I initially >> said "back off now not only are you not making >> any difference to me but you are only ruining the full-disclosure >> mailing list by the constant back and forward arguing thats going on" >> >> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM, j-f sentier wrote: >> > i'm just tired as many here, to see you spamming shit around. >> > You said, you will leave, and as a kid, you came back 5 days later, >> > so let me guess: >> > - your mailing-list is annoying ? >> > - you went out of crack for a week ? >> > >> > 2009/1/11 andrew. wallace >> >> >> >> Another *actual* troll I forgot to mention... >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:32 PM, j-f sentier >> >> wrote: >> >> > You're a troll bitch, stop sniffing crack you loose your memory, i >> >> > guess >> >> > someone should make an wikipedia entry or something, just to remind >> >> > you >> >> > what >> >> > kind of piece of shit you are. >> >> > >> >> > Now you see that no one likes you here, so stop crying on such >> >> > useless >> >> > topics as this one, and get the fuck out. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ___ >> >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
LOL, if someone is ruining FD it's you with these kind of stupid post twice a day : "Why are you against n3td3v?", "They don't realise I might work for MI5", "Full-Disclosure wouldn't let me post this message", "n3td3v is big in the security community protecting the UK against the threats.", etc 2009/1/11 andrew. wallace > Keep trolling it will do you no good, you didn't read what I initially > said "back off now not only are you not making > any difference to me but you are only ruining the full-disclosure > mailing list by the constant back and forward arguing thats going on" > > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > i'm just tired as many here, to see you spamming shit around. > > You said, you will leave, and as a kid, you came back 5 days later, > > so let me guess: > > - your mailing-list is annoying ? > > - you went out of crack for a week ? > > > > 2009/1/11 andrew. wallace > >> > >> Another *actual* troll I forgot to mention... > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:32 PM, j-f sentier > wrote: > >> > You're a troll bitch, stop sniffing crack you loose your memory, i > guess > >> > someone should make an wikipedia entry or something, just to remind > you > >> > what > >> > kind of piece of shit you are. > >> > > >> > Now you see that no one likes you here, so stop crying on such useless > >> > topics as this one, and get the fuck out. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > >> > > > > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:54 PM, wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:09:58 GMT, you said: > >> I'm not a troll and only serious researchers are subscribed to the >> n3td3v mailing list group. > > What does the following read like? A serious researcher? Or a troll/idiot? You're doing yourself no good Valdis calling me an idiot you will only lose your own resolve. > --- > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Why is IRC still around? > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:40:54 + > To: full-disclos...@lists.netsys.com > > Vord from the in-famous script kiddie channel #hackphreak!! omg, thats > the biggest no credibility lamer channel ever. > > Its channels like #hackphreak which give IRC a bad name, the exact > reason this thread started probably!! > > Vord, go back to #hackphreak kiddo. > --- > > Oh, and if you can't remember, it was From: n3td3v There is nothing there that anyone with a clue would disagree with. > >> I have and I see me saying things that people thought I was saying to >> get a reaction when they are actually real things that are going on >> and my actual opinion on things. > > Unfortunately for your reputation, that's quite close to "No, I'm not a troll, > I really had such stupid opinions on things". > > >From there, it's just a short jump to "He's consistently clueless on *this* > list - if he actually *has* 4500 people on another list, he's either equally > clueless there and people read it for the humor value, or he's actually > intelligent there - in which case he's a troll playing an idiot here". I'm not clueless on this list everything I say is pretty accurate. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
Keep trolling it will do you no good, you didn't read what I initially said "back off now not only are you not making any difference to me but you are only ruining the full-disclosure mailing list by the constant back and forward arguing thats going on" On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:00 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > i'm just tired as many here, to see you spamming shit around. > You said, you will leave, and as a kid, you came back 5 days later, > so let me guess: > - your mailing-list is annoying ? > - you went out of crack for a week ? > > 2009/1/11 andrew. wallace >> >> Another *actual* troll I forgot to mention... >> >> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:32 PM, j-f sentier wrote: >> > You're a troll bitch, stop sniffing crack you loose your memory, i guess >> > someone should make an wikipedia entry or something, just to remind you >> > what >> > kind of piece of shit you are. >> > >> > Now you see that no one likes you here, so stop crying on such useless >> > topics as this one, and get the fuck out. >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
i'm just tired as many here, to see you spamming shit around. You said, you will leave, and as a kid, you came back 5 days later, so let me guess: - your mailing-list is annoying ? - you went out of crack for a week ? 2009/1/11 andrew. wallace > Another *actual* troll I forgot to mention... > > On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:32 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > > You're a troll bitch, stop sniffing crack you loose your memory, i guess > > someone should make an wikipedia entry or something, just to remind you > what > > kind of piece of shit you are. > > > > Now you see that no one likes you here, so stop crying on such useless > > topics as this one, and get the fuck out. > > > > > > > > ___ > > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:09:58 GMT, you said: > I'm not a troll and only serious researchers are subscribed to the > n3td3v mailing list group. What does the following read like? A serious researcher? Or a troll/idiot? --- Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Why is IRC still around? Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:40:54 + To: full-disclos...@lists.netsys.com Vord from the in-famous script kiddie channel #hackphreak!! omg, thats the biggest no credibility lamer channel ever. Its channels like #hackphreak which give IRC a bad name, the exact reason this thread started probably!! Vord, go back to #hackphreak kiddo. --- Oh, and if you can't remember, it was From: n3td3v > I have and I see me saying things that people thought I was saying to > get a reaction when they are actually real things that are going on > and my actual opinion on things. Unfortunately for your reputation, that's quite close to "No, I'm not a troll, I really had such stupid opinions on things". >From there, it's just a short jump to "He's consistently clueless on *this* list - if he actually *has* 4500 people on another list, he's either equally clueless there and people read it for the humor value, or he's actually intelligent there - in which case he's a troll playing an idiot here". pgpib73cL9iU7.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
Another *actual* troll I forgot to mention... On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:32 PM, j-f sentier wrote: > You're a troll bitch, stop sniffing crack you loose your memory, i guess > someone should make an wikipedia entry or something, just to remind you what > kind of piece of shit you are. > > Now you see that no one likes you here, so stop crying on such useless > topics as this one, and get the fuck out. > > > > ___ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
You're a troll bitch, stop sniffing crack you loose your memory, i guess someone should make an wikipedia entry or something, just to remind you what kind of piece of shit you are. Now you see that no one likes you here, so stop crying on such useless topics as this one, and get the fuck out. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 4:51 PM, wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:09:45 GMT, "andrew.wallace" said: > >> I can't help if Robert Lemos, Neal Krawetz gave false reports about >> n3td3v, that seems to have damaged us a lot and having to defend my >> position constantly to a bunch of aliases on full-disclosure because >> they believed something that was written in the media and had an >> expectation and when that expectation couldn't be met, they thought >> I'm a lie and a fake and the members of the n3td3v mailing list can't >> be real. > > I hate to inject some actual reality, but a few things to consider: > > 1) 'n3td3v' was *already* widely regarded as a troll when Krawetz did > his research - he picked 'n3td3v' *specifically because* it was regarded > as the biggest security troll since Gobbles. I'm not a troll and neither was Gobbles. > 2) I suspect that the vast majority of full-disclosure readers either > didn't know or didn't care about Krawetz's posting until you made a > point of complaining about it and invoked the Streisand Effect on yourself. You don't know the vast majority, you social with a few names on full-disclosure who are active posters. > 3) The high troll factor of 'n3td3v' on the full-disclosure list scared > off a very high percentage of the full-disclosure people who concluded that > any list of 4,500+ run by a troll/idiot of the caliber seen on full-disclosure > *must* be composed mostly of sock puppets and other trolls. > I'm not a troll and only serious researchers are subscribed to the n3td3v mailing list group. That was the mistake made people thought I was a troll, n3td3v isn't a troll its been real the whole time. > Seriously - go back and re-read your postings over the past several years, > and then ask yourself "What would *I* think about this poster if I didn't > know who he was?". I have and I see me saying things that people thought I was saying to get a reaction when they are actually real things that are going on and my actual opinion on things. The only actual troll i've seen *ever* on full-disclosure is "Ureleet" thats your troll, neither n3td3v or Gobbles have ever been trolls. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:09:45 GMT, "andrew.wallace" said: > I can't help if Robert Lemos, Neal Krawetz gave false reports about > n3td3v, that seems to have damaged us a lot and having to defend my > position constantly to a bunch of aliases on full-disclosure because > they believed something that was written in the media and had an > expectation and when that expectation couldn't be met, they thought > I'm a lie and a fake and the members of the n3td3v mailing list can't > be real. I hate to inject some actual reality, but a few things to consider: 1) 'n3td3v' was *already* widely regarded as a troll when Krawetz did his research - he picked 'n3td3v' *specifically because* it was regarded as the biggest security troll since Gobbles. 2) I suspect that the vast majority of full-disclosure readers either didn't know or didn't care about Krawetz's posting until you made a point of complaining about it and invoked the Streisand Effect on yourself. 3) The high troll factor of 'n3td3v' on the full-disclosure list scared off a very high percentage of the full-disclosure people who concluded that any list of 4,500+ run by a troll/idiot of the caliber seen on full-disclosure *must* be composed mostly of sock puppets and other trolls. Seriously - go back and re-read your postings over the past several years, and then ask yourself "What would *I* think about this poster if I didn't know who he was?". pgpXNTTTj81nY.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
andrew.wallace wrote: > We're a mailing list of government, business and academia folks pretty > much the same as here. We monitor threat reports and give analysis > from time to time on what's going on and offer advice to folks. Why > would you be against us? Because you are a complete moron who hasn't contributed in any other way than spewing pointless uninformed rants. New sender adress added to idiot filter. -- // hdw ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] Why are you against n3td3v?
We're a mailing list of government, business and academia folks pretty much the same as here. We monitor threat reports and give analysis from time to time on what's going on and offer advice to folks. Why would you be against us? I can't help if Robert Lemos, Neal Krawetz gave false reports about n3td3v, that seems to have damaged us a lot and having to defend my position constantly to a bunch of aliases on full-disclosure because they believed something that was written in the media and had an expectation and when that expectation couldn't be met, they thought I'm a lie and a fake and the members of the n3td3v mailing list can't be real. I'm on the same side as you as is the members of the n3td3v mailing list. We're good guys like you are so why all this fighting all the time on full-disclosure? There is a n3td3v group, the mailing list that is on Google Groups--- but not in the way it was reported in the media as being. I don't know who Gobbles is have no connections to him don't want to be like him or have association with hackers. It's time this back and forward fighting stopped and we all worked at a common goal to stop the hackers. I have always been the person to collect intelligence on the hackers and pass them to the authorities, this all started when I was 18 on Yahoo where I got to be friends with many folks involved with protecting Yahoo's security and passed them important intelligence about what was going on. I moved on from Yahoo and started the Google Group for my own self purpose to read all the mailing lists in one place that I didn't need to keep logging into my email account all the time to read. Gradually from there I noticed members had started to join, although when I started the group I hadn't thought about members and people joining, it was completely accidental to me that the group started to form, they must of enjoyed the same intelligence I did. That intelligence was open-source intelligence reports from full-disclosure, bugtraq, media website news letters and breaking news alert email services from places such as the BBC. As i've grown up since I was 18 my interests matured now I hope to get into a proper intelligence agency such as MI5 to continue my work as an intelligencer in a professional capacity. I'm a good guy not like is being made out to be by some folks on full-disclosure and by Robert Lemos and Neal Krawetz. What they said about me was not only damaging to my online presence but was damaging to me in real life as well. This is because I was part of an ethical hacking course where I left to goto and then the report about n3td3v appeared and it made me mad because it made me out to be a hacker that was withholding zero-day and other stuff was written about me. It made me mad because i'm the opposite of what I was made to look by Neal Krawetz and Robert Lemos, they didn't even contact me for an interview to get my side of the story, it was a one sided malicious report into someone they didn't research into properly before reaching their conclusions. What i'm saying to you is to back off now not only are you not making any difference to me but you are only ruining the full-disclosure mailing list by the constant back and forward arguing thats going on, because you don't think that n3td3v is real or meet your expectation. I have recently been looking at people who may be spying in corporations and in government departments as well as monitoring hackers who have been passing on programming knowledge to people such as Akill's social circle of friends who was a bot net herder who is now likely to get work in the secret intelligence service industry. There are still elements of Akill's group that can reform without him being a part of it anymore and that kind of thing has to be monitored by folks. It's all about getting inbetween the hackers and passing the information to the authorities or leaving the intelligence to be picked up on the wire tap as folks are being spoke with. n3td3v isn't at the moment a professional intelligence group but will be in the future if and when i'm employed into the British intelligence community if they choose to accept my application form. n3td3v mailing list group is now a self driven mailing list of threat reports and analysis of what's going on, in the future it may evolve. There are no 'kids' on it, the membership base is of information security amatuers and professionals. The group is open membership so potentially anyone can join, but any spam or horse play will be removed. I believe in being open as possible about intelligence, of course certain elements of secret intelligence agency's need to be kept secret but I think the future is to be more transparent with the population about what's going on and professional agency's have started to do this especially as far as their recruitment drive is going. Now more than ever they are releasing more information about the workings of their agency's and no longer do people need
