Re: [Full-disclosure] n3td3v denounces the actions of www.derangedsecurity.com
Byron, I don't understand what you mean in this message. Can you elaborate? J On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:05:19 -0500 Byron Sonne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fellow scots stick up for each other, so remember that the next time you talk to a scotsman, because we're tough and bold and we'll kick you in the teeth you swedish fuck. You know why Scots wear kilts, right? Sheep can hear zippers. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] n3td3v denounces the actions of www.derangedsecurity.com
fellow scots stick up for each other, so remember that the next time you talk to a scotsman, because we're tough and bold and we'll kick you in the teeth you swedish fuck. You know why Scots wear kilts, right? Sheep can hear zippers. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] n3td3v denounces the actions of www.derangedsecurity.com
This is a breathtakingly candid post. for once. thank you! On 11/17/07, worried security [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2007 11:33 PM, Dan Egerstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know the powers? Powerrangers? Can they help me? Ohhh please help me ohhh you mighty... I'm free, kicking and not charged for shit... don't know who you are and couldn't care less but it does give something to laugh at =) Go play with the other kids now //D At the end of the day you're the dude with the secret service following you everywhere you go now in real life for at least the next 6 /12 months or longer I would imagine. Enjoy the privacy or not as the case maybe. Sleepless nights, looking out your window every five minutes, turning round in the street seeing if anyones following you and generally not being able to trust people around you because they might be the secret service. Not knowing who the next phone call will be from, knowing everything you do on the internet is being watched by a human, every keystroke, every e-mail, every draft. I've been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. Its paranoia and it destroys you!!! It crushes you, this whole derangedsecurity.com stuff will crush you mentally if it hasn't already. I'm talking from experience, i've gone through these phrases of paranoia, it'll eat you alive. Maybe you're not feeling it yet, but it will creep up on you in a short while. Thats the down side to doing big hacks, the mental strain of not knowing if you've got away with it or not. One day you'll wish you hadn't your picture on those news articles and you hadn't drawn attention to yourself, it may take a few months for it to kick in if it hasn't already. The only reason its not already kicked in if it hasn't is you're young, guilible and immature, and you're still feeding off the ego rush of the media attention right now, but later in life it'll hit you!!! You're thinking i've not been charged for shit. The possibility of a criminal charge is the least of the problems which comes with fame, being known by a large amount of people is a bad experience walking down the street, trying to get employed by people and generally operating as a normal person in life. You wonder all the time Does he know!, Do they know. And you get the people who do know, know everything about you, but you've never met them in your life before, and it scares you! I've been approached by people in real life who know more about me and what I do online than I do, it ain't nice. Strange people start being a part of your life, and you know why, but its never officially confirmed by anyone. The paranoia and suspicion destroys you. But basically you get the worlds intelligence services following you around from different countries with different agendas to find out things about you. I imagined at first it would just be one team of survallience from one country, but you end up having folks from a handful of countries following you about in everyday life. And those individual survallience teams aren't connected with each other. You can be walking down a busy high street with a crowd of folks all around you, you think are legitimate folks, but they are actually secret service from multiple countries working independently of each other, who don't know each other, but they all have one thing in common, they are following you It sent the shitters up me and it'll do the same to you. And you get the folks who have nothing to do with government following you around, and thats the scarist part. You get independant investigators following you around from the worlds security companies who have their own intelligence wings. The big corporations hire folks to do this, just for the sake of knowing intelligence about you. And then you just get the normal weirdos following you about who aren't a part of any government or private investigation company, and thats what is the worst part. Oh, and the random people who claim to be news journalists, who could actually be anyone, walking upto you, knocking at your door, e-mailing etc. You take the first interview, then you realise, that could of been anyone. It screws you up in the head afterwards. When you become public in the security community, its not the secret service which are the biggest problems, there are 100's of companies who follow you about because they want their own intelligence about you. You see all these websites that offer intelligence, who aren't the government but offer yahoo,google etc intelligence on folks and get paid for it, its not just technical intelligence they have, they've got folks checking up on you in real life too. who's gonna be on your tail for a while: secret services (world wide) they follow you for national security reasons to build a real life profile of you. security companies (world wide) they follow you to build a real life profile on you so
Re: [Full-disclosure] n3td3v denounces the actions of www.derangedsecurity.com
netsved, for the last time; you are a public figure in it-sec and even less close to being a known hacker. You are however a few unique things, of which suffering from serious mental delousions and paranoia are the most interesing thing about you. and Netplet, you are not being envestigated or bugged, mmk? Anybody serious knows you never have, never will hack anything remotelx note-worthy. And why would they bug you, as you pump out tons of disturbeing posts, which only have any value if used to estimate the latest level of your mental illness (today would be a Red day btw!). Intelligence do not hire basement bound, 0-effort, death theat throwing, delousional, highly emotional immature kids who think he can hide behind hushmail or Tor and play with the adults? Netflet. Seriously you must seek medical attention to help you deal with the problems you have. Most people get well fast once they are diagnosed. And go on to live long happy lives! Please seek help, you need it asap. Br Horsie On 11/16/07, worried security [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 14, 2007 11:33 PM, Dan Egerstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know the powers? Powerrangers? Can they help me? Ohhh please help me ohhh you mighty... I'm free, kicking and not charged for shit... don't know who you are and couldn't care less but it does give something to laugh at =) Go play with the other kids now //D At the end of the day you're the dude with the secret service following you everywhere you go now in real life for at least the next 6 /12 months or longer I would imagine. Enjoy the privacy or not as the case maybe. Sleepless nights, looking out your window every five minutes, turning round in the street seeing if anyones following you and generally not being able to trust people around you because they might be the secret service. Not knowing who the next phone call will be from, knowing everything you do on the internet is being watched by a human, every keystroke, every e-mail, every draft. I've been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. Its paranoia and it destroys you!!! It crushes you, this whole derangedsecurity.com stuff will crush you mentally if it hasn't already. I'm talking from experience, i've gone through these phrases of paranoia, it'll eat you alive. Maybe you're not feeling it yet, but it will creep up on you in a short while. Thats the down side to doing big hacks, the mental strain of not knowing if you've got away with it or not. One day you'll wish you hadn't your picture on those news articles and you hadn't drawn attention to yourself, it may take a few months for it to kick in if it hasn't already. The only reason its not already kicked in if it hasn't is you're young, guilible and immature, and you're still feeding off the ego rush of the media attention right now, but later in life it'll hit you!!! You're thinking i've not been charged for shit. The possibility of a criminal charge is the least of the problems which comes with fame, being known by a large amount of people is a bad experience walking down the street, trying to get employed by people and generally operating as a normal person in life. You wonder all the time Does he know!, Do they know. And you get the people who do know, know everything about you, but you've never met them in your life before, and it scares you! I've been approached by people in real life who know more about me and what I do online than I do, it ain't nice. Strange people start being a part of your life, and you know why, but its never officially confirmed by anyone. The paranoia and suspicion destroys you. But basically you get the worlds intelligence services following you around from different countries with different agendas to find out things about you. I imagined at first it would just be one team of survallience from one country, but you end up having folks from a handful of countries following you about in everyday life. And those individual survallience teams aren't connected with each other. You can be walking down a busy high street with a crowd of folks all around you, you think are legitimate folks, but they are actually secret service from multiple countries working independently of each other, who don't know each other, but they all have one thing in common, they are following you It sent the shitters up me and it'll do the same to you. And you get the folks who have nothing to do with government following you around, and thats the scarist part. You get independant investigators following you around from the worlds security companies who have their own intelligence wings. The big corporations hire folks to do this, just for the sake of knowing intelligence about you. And then you just get the normal weirdos following you about who aren't a part of any government or private investigation company, and thats what is the worst part. Oh, and the random people who claim to
Re: [Full-disclosure] n3td3v denounces the actions of www.derangedsecurity.com
On Nov 14, 2007 11:33 PM, Dan Egerstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know the powers? Powerrangers? Can they help me? Ohhh please help me ohhh you mighty... I'm free, kicking and not charged for shit... don't know who you are and couldn't care less but it does give something to laugh at =) Go play with the other kids now //D At the end of the day you're the dude with the secret service following you everywhere you go now in real life for at least the next 6 /12 months or longer I would imagine. Enjoy the privacy or not as the case maybe. Sleepless nights, looking out your window every five minutes, turning round in the street seeing if anyones following you and generally not being able to trust people around you because they might be the secret service. Not knowing who the next phone call will be from, knowing everything you do on the internet is being watched by a human, every keystroke, every e-mail, every draft. I've been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. Its paranoia and it destroys you!!! It crushes you, this whole derangedsecurity.com stuff will crush you mentally if it hasn't already. I'm talking from experience, i've gone through these phrases of paranoia, it'll eat you alive. Maybe you're not feeling it yet, but it will creep up on you in a short while. Thats the down side to doing big hacks, the mental strain of not knowing if you've got away with it or not. One day you'll wish you hadn't your picture on those news articles and you hadn't drawn attention to yourself, it may take a few months for it to kick in if it hasn't already. The only reason its not already kicked in if it hasn't is you're young, guilible and immature, and you're still feeding off the ego rush of the media attention right now, but later in life it'll hit you!!! You're thinking i've not been charged for shit. The possibility of a criminal charge is the least of the problems which comes with fame, being known by a large amount of people is a bad experience walking down the street, trying to get employed by people and generally operating as a normal person in life. You wonder all the time Does he know!, Do they know. And you get the people who do know, know everything about you, but you've never met them in your life before, and it scares you! I've been approached by people in real life who know more about me and what I do online than I do, it ain't nice. Strange people start being a part of your life, and you know why, but its never officially confirmed by anyone. The paranoia and suspicion destroys you. But basically you get the worlds intelligence services following you around from different countries with different agendas to find out things about you. I imagined at first it would just be one team of survallience from one country, but you end up having folks from a handful of countries following you about in everyday life. And those individual survallience teams aren't connected with each other. You can be walking down a busy high street with a crowd of folks all around you, you think are legitimate folks, but they are actually secret service from multiple countries working independently of each other, who don't know each other, but they all have one thing in common, they are following you It sent the shitters up me and it'll do the same to you. And you get the folks who have nothing to do with government following you around, and thats the scarist part. You get independant investigators following you around from the worlds security companies who have their own intelligence wings. The big corporations hire folks to do this, just for the sake of knowing intelligence about you. And then you just get the normal weirdos following you about who aren't a part of any government or private investigation company, and thats what is the worst part. Oh, and the random people who claim to be news journalists, who could actually be anyone, walking upto you, knocking at your door, e-mailing etc. You take the first interview, then you realise, that could of been anyone. It screws you up in the head afterwards. When you become public in the security community, its not the secret service which are the biggest problems, there are 100's of companies who follow you about because they want their own intelligence about you. You see all these websites that offer intelligence, who aren't the government but offer yahoo,google etc intelligence on folks and get paid for it, its not just technical intelligence they have, they've got folks checking up on you in real life too. who's gonna be on your tail for a while: secret services (world wide) they follow you for national security reasons to build a real life profile of you. security companies (world wide) they follow you to build a real life profile on you so they know if you're a threat to thier corporate dot-com customers, so they can best advise corporate security teams in the future should you become a repeat offender or determine if you're likely to be and
Re: [Full-disclosure] n3td3v denounces the actions of www.derangedsecurity.com
On Sep 10, 2007 9:34 AM, Dan Egerstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, you are indeed funny =) If you actually tried to figure out the whole story instead of just reading the propaganda forced out by your government you might get another idea. They HAVE been told about this, not once, not twice but several times more. Also I can prove that hackers, terrorist, criminals and governments alrady have the hardware set up to do this to the accounts I exposed. You are an idiot if you claim that it would be ok to publish companies passwords and not Governments. Private and companies could get personally hurt and lose their job/money for a misstake. Governments are already in so much trouble due to the fact that they already are exposed and refuse to do anything about it. They if ANY should know better... They are actually CHOOSING to expose themself, it's not a misstake! Stop with your pathetic national crap... I don't give a shit If you think this is funny it isn't, i've had my eye on you for a while now. you are guilty of Espionage and you have admitted to the world you are involved in Espionage, don't be suprised if the secret service start monitoring you now. Why should fucks like you get away with this while gary mckinnon faces a life time in jail. you dick. fellow scots stick up for each other, so remember that the next time you talk to a scotsman, because we're tough and bold and we'll kick you in the teeth you swedish fuck. i have links with the powers that be, i'm going to make sure you're locked up for sure. enjoy your freedom, although it won't last long. n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] n3td3v denounces the actions of www.derangedsecurity.com
[I'm] losing money and trust in my company and even if i'm never charged I will not get any compensation it looks like. Well, if they want to try to manipulate, I can play that game too. [I] gave every known body signal there is telling of lies ... covered my mouth, scratched my elbow, looked away and so on. Sure sounds like a trustworthy mature IT professional. Have fun gaming the police and your government while feeling self-righteous and invincible and untouchable. That usually works out great for hackers. On Nov 15, 2007 9:58 AM, worried security [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 10, 2007 9:34 AM, Dan Egerstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, you are indeed funny =) If you actually tried to figure out the whole story instead of just reading the propaganda forced out by your government you might get another idea. They HAVE been told about this, not once, not twice but several times more. Also I can prove that hackers, terrorist, criminals and governments alrady have the hardware set up to do this to the accounts I exposed. You are an idiot if you claim that it would be ok to publish companies passwords and not Governments. Private and companies could get personally hurt and lose their job/money for a misstake. Governments are already in so much trouble due to the fact that they already are exposed and refuse to do anything about it. They if ANY should know better... They are actually CHOOSING to expose themself, it's not a misstake! Stop with your pathetic national crap... I don't give a shit If you think this is funny it isn't, i've had my eye on you for a while now. you are guilty of Espionage and you have admitted to the world you are involved in Espionage, don't be suprised if the secret service start monitoring you now. Why should fucks like you get away with this while gary mckinnon faces a life time in jail. you dick. fellow scots stick up for each other, so remember that the next time you talk to a scotsman, because we're tough and bold and we'll kick you in the teeth you swedish fuck. i have links with the powers that be, i'm going to make sure you're locked up for sure. enjoy your freedom, although it won't last long. n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- Francesco Vaj [CISSP - GIAC] CSS Security Researcher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: XSS Cross Site -- XSS Cross Site Scripting Attacks Web 2.0 Application Security Information Blog (tm) 2007 http://www.XSSworm.com/ -- Vaj, bella vaj. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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The deceptively clever and incredibly important and prolific hacker n3td3v wrote: Why should fucks like you get away with this while gary mckinnon faces a life time in jail. you dick. Seconded. Note to self: setup nph-proxy.cgi on random box and log everything going through it and email media and become famous security consultant. On Nov 15, 2007 9:58 AM, worried security [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 10, 2007 9:34 AM, Dan Egerstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL, you are indeed funny =) If you actually tried to figure out the whole story instead of just reading the propaganda forced out by your government you might get another idea. They HAVE been told about this, not once, not twice but several times more. Also I can prove that hackers, terrorist, criminals and governments alrady have the hardware set up to do this to the accounts I exposed. You are an idiot if you claim that it would be ok to publish companies passwords and not Governments. Private and companies could get personally hurt and lose their job/money for a misstake. Governments are already in so much trouble due to the fact that they already are exposed and refuse to do anything about it. They if ANY should know better... They are actually CHOOSING to expose themself, it's not a misstake! Stop with your pathetic national crap... I don't give a shit If you think this is funny it isn't, i've had my eye on you for a while now. you are guilty of Espionage and you have admitted to the world you are involved in Espionage, don't be suprised if the secret service start monitoring you now. Why should fucks like you get away with this while gary mckinnon faces a life time in jail. you dick. fellow scots stick up for each other, so remember that the next time you talk to a scotsman, because we're tough and bold and we'll kick you in the teeth you swedish fuck. i have links with the powers that be, i'm going to make sure you're locked up for sure. enjoy your freedom, although it won't last long. n3td3v ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- Francesco Vaj [CISSP - GIAC] CSS Security Researcher mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: XSS Cross Site -- XSS Cross Site Scripting Attacks Web 2.0 Application Security Information Blog (tm) 2007 http://www.XSSworm.com/ -- Vaj, bella vaj. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] n3td3v denounces the actions of www.derangedsecurity.com
i can't believe that you posted that to full-disclosure. dipshit. On 9/10/07, worried security [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this person has been sharing login information to the world wide web, opening up world governments up to terrorist cyber intrusions. this guy has not been sent to guantanamo bay yet why not? this reckless act of evil against western values is not good for the world. we should stop these individuals from posting government related informations which could harm the population of a country by allowing sensitive data to be accessed by terrorist cyber intrusion. all terrorists are linked up to the world wide web, making it likely the informations were accessable to them and not just responsible security professionals and law inforcement agencies. he said he was posting the informations to let all affected governments learn of the vulnerability to their government infrastructure as a collective of people as it would cause him too much time and money to contact each government network individually. however when there are more than government network employees learning of the informations, then it becomes a risk to national security. the protection of the population and the interests must become the governments first priorty. leaving this individual to make funny remarks of the governments in question by parading their network access informations in the public glare does more than alerting the proper authority to the cause of getting security tightened. derangedsecurity.comhttp://www.derangedsecurity.comshould be held accountable for their actions infront of judge and jury. i as member of the public are fine with arguments and full disclosure of e-commerce vulnerability informations being post to the world wide web in the good nature of freedom of speech but the argument that exposing the network access information of world governments leaving the network open to terrorist cyber intrusion is unacceptable by any code of ethics that i can agree with. i as member of the public say not in my name can you release network access informations to the public for self satisfaction and delight that you have managed to breach the national security infrastructure of a government. i say you should be ashamed, and if you had just claimed you were just being an accessory and conspiracy to cause terrorist cyber intrustions then i wouldn't be writing to complain, but its the fact you use full disclosure of a responsible security professional as an excuse for your actions which makes me believe you should be stripped of your job title and held accountable to the governments you have left vulnerable to terrorist cyber intrusion. you are not a security professional, you are lower than that, you are working against the ethics of the basis of your career of security professional. responsible security professionals don't risk the national security interests of multiple world governments, leaving the population vulnerable in the process by making the government network weaker by offering access to the mass public, where ultimately cyber terrorists are lurking in wait to ambush the network access data to espionage on their operations. this information you post is what your risking to the world, is a greater feeling of instability throughout the affected countries and a general feeling of alarm and distress to the mass public. your informations were reported to the mass public media on the internet as well as chinese television stations, and other mediums of public broadcasting, this is unacceptable in the level of your full disclosure ethic has caused to the wider world. i believe your actions to be morally incorrect and that your actions should be illegal while our brave men are fighting the war on terror to protect your childrens future, this kind of anti government disclosure shouldn't come under the ordinary full disclosure ethics. you post on your website that you are angry your hosting company disapproved on your disclosure to the mass public, you said why bother terminating my website when informations are already been in the public domain? damage limtiation is the reason, and the fact the informations shouldn't have been there in the first place, i thought maybe this would be an indication that your code of conduct was actually immorally and maybe you would reconsider the legality of what you put on your website, but you didn't, you kept the tempo high by relocating your website to a new server which was under the control of your irresponsible self, away from account terminations and away from becoming under the scrutiny of a hosting companys terms of service agreement. you then try and point blame to others, you blame the united states government for contacting your hosting provider to get you shutdown and you blame the governments for leaving their own population open to a national security breach. you in no way find yourself accountable
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Actually this fellow is shit dipped. -- Original message -- From: yiri [EMAIL PROTECTED] i can't believe that you posted that to full-disclosure. dipshit. On 9/10/07, worried security [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this person has been sharing login information to the world wide web, opening up world governments up to terrorist cyber intrusions. this guy has not been sent to guantanamo bay yet why not? this reckless act of evil against western values is not good for the world. we should stop these individuals from posting government related informations which could harm the population of a country by allowing sensitive data to be accessed by terrorist cyber intrusion. all terrorists are linked up to the world wide web, making it likely the informations were accessable to them and not just responsible security professionals and law inforcement agencies. he said he was posting the informations to let all affected governments learn of the vulnerability to their government infrastructure as a collective of people as it would cause him too much time and money to contact each government network individually. however when there are more than government network employees learning of the informa tions, then it becomes a risk to national security. the protection of the population and the interests must become the governments first priorty. leaving this individual to make funny remarks of the governments in question by parading their network access informations in the public glare does more than alerting the proper authority to the cause of getting security tightened. derangedsecurity.com should be held accountable for their actions infront of judge and jury. i as member of the public are fine with arguments and full disclosure of e-commerce vulnerability informations being post to the world wide web in the good nature of freedom of speech but the argument that exposing the network access information of world governments leaving the network open to terrorist cyber intrusion is unacceptable by any code of ethics that i can agree with. i as member of the public say not in my name can you release network access informations to the public for self satisfaction and delight that you h ave managed to breach the national security infrastructure of a government. i say you should be ashamed, and if you had just claimed you were just being an accessory and conspiracy to cause terrorist cyber intrustions then i wouldn't be writing to complain, but its the fact you use full disclosure of a responsible security professional as an excuse for your actions which makes me believe you should be stripped of your job title and held accountable to the governments you have left vulnerable to terrorist cyber intrusion. you are not a security professional, you are lower than that, you are working against the ethics of the basis of your career of security professional. responsible security professionals don't risk the national security interests of multiple world governments, leaving the population vulnerable in the process by making the government network weaker by offering access to the mass public, where ultimately cyber terrorists are lurking in wait to ambush the network acces s data to espionage on their operations. this information you post is what your risking to the world, is a greater feeling of instability throughout the affected countries and a general feeling of alarm and distress to the mass public. your informations were reported to the mass public media on the internet as well as chinese television stations, and other mediums of public broadcasting, this is unacceptable in the level of your full disclosure ethic has caused to the wider world. i believe your actions to be morally incorrect and that your actions should be illegal while our brave men are fighting the war on terror to protect your childrens future, this kind of anti government disclosure shouldn't come under the ordinary full disclosure ethics. you post on your website that you are angry your hosting company disapproved on your disclosure to the mass public, you said why bother terminating my website when informations are already been in the public domain? damage limtiation is the reason, and the fact the informations shouldn't have been there in the first place, i thought maybe this would be an indication that your code of conduct was actually immorally and maybe you would reconsider the legality of what you put on your website, but you didn't, you kept the tempo high by relocating your website to a new server which was under the control of your irresponsible self, away from account terminations and away from becoming under the scrutiny of a hosting companys terms of service agreement. you then try and point blame to others, you blame the united states government for contacting your hosting provider to get you shutdown and you blame the governments for leaving their own
Re: [Full-disclosure] n3td3v denounces the actions of www.derangedsecurity.com
wot;dr On 9/9/07, worried security [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this person has been sharing login information to the world wide web, opening up world governments up to terrorist cyber intrusions. this guy has not been sent to guantanamo bay yet why not? this reckless act of evil against western values is not good for the world. we should stop these individuals from posting government related informations which could harm the population of a country by allowing sensitive data to be accessed by terrorist cyber intrusion. all terrorists are linked up to the world wide web, making it likely the informations were accessable to them and not just responsible security professionals and law inforcement agencies. he said he was posting the informations to let all affected governments learn of the vulnerability to their government infrastructure as a collective of people as it would cause him too much time and money to contact each government network individually. however when there are more than government network employees learning of the informations, then it becomes a risk to national security. the protection of the population and the interests must become the governments first priorty. leaving this individual to make funny remarks of the governments in question by parading their network access informations in the public glare does more than alerting the proper authority to the cause of getting security tightened. derangedsecurity.comhttp://www.derangedsecurity.comshould be held accountable for their actions infront of judge and jury. i as member of the public are fine with arguments and full disclosure of e-commerce vulnerability informations being post to the world wide web in the good nature of freedom of speech but the argument that exposing the network access information of world governments leaving the network open to terrorist cyber intrusion is unacceptable by any code of ethics that i can agree with. i as member of the public say not in my name can you release network access informations to the public for self satisfaction and delight that you have managed to breach the national security infrastructure of a government. i say you should be ashamed, and if you had just claimed you were just being an accessory and conspiracy to cause terrorist cyber intrustions then i wouldn't be writing to complain, but its the fact you use full disclosure of a responsible security professional as an excuse for your actions which makes me believe you should be stripped of your job title and held accountable to the governments you have left vulnerable to terrorist cyber intrusion. you are not a security professional, you are lower than that, you are working against the ethics of the basis of your career of security professional. responsible security professionals don't risk the national security interests of multiple world governments, leaving the population vulnerable in the process by making the government network weaker by offering access to the mass public, where ultimately cyber terrorists are lurking in wait to ambush the network access data to espionage on their operations. this information you post is what your risking to the world, is a greater feeling of instability throughout the affected countries and a general feeling of alarm and distress to the mass public. your informations were reported to the mass public media on the internet as well as chinese television stations, and other mediums of public broadcasting, this is unacceptable in the level of your full disclosure ethic has caused to the wider world. i believe your actions to be morally incorrect and that your actions should be illegal while our brave men are fighting the war on terror to protect your childrens future, this kind of anti government disclosure shouldn't come under the ordinary full disclosure ethics. you post on your website that you are angry your hosting company disapproved on your disclosure to the mass public, you said why bother terminating my website when informations are already been in the public domain? damage limtiation is the reason, and the fact the informations shouldn't have been there in the first place, i thought maybe this would be an indication that your code of conduct was actually immorally and maybe you would reconsider the legality of what you put on your website, but you didn't, you kept the tempo high by relocating your website to a new server which was under the control of your irresponsible self, away from account terminations and away from becoming under the scrutiny of a hosting companys terms of service agreement. you then try and point blame to others, you blame the united states government for contacting your hosting provider to get you shutdown and you blame the governments for leaving their own population open to a national security breach. you in no way find yourself accountable for any wrong doing in light of the informations posted, and
[Full-disclosure] n3td3v denounces the actions of www.derangedsecurity.com
this person has been sharing login information to the world wide web, opening up world governments up to terrorist cyber intrusions. this guy has not been sent to guantanamo bay yet why not? this reckless act of evil against western values is not good for the world. we should stop these individuals from posting government related informations which could harm the population of a country by allowing sensitive data to be accessed by terrorist cyber intrusion. all terrorists are linked up to the world wide web, making it likely the informations were accessable to them and not just responsible security professionals and law inforcement agencies. he said he was posting the informations to let all affected governments learn of the vulnerability to their government infrastructure as a collective of people as it would cause him too much time and money to contact each government network individually. however when there are more than government network employees learning of the informations, then it becomes a risk to national security. the protection of the population and the interests must become the governments first priorty. leaving this individual to make funny remarks of the governments in question by parading their network access informations in the public glare does more than alerting the proper authority to the cause of getting security tightened. derangedsecurity.comhttp://www.derangedsecurity.comshould be held accountable for their actions infront of judge and jury. i as member of the public are fine with arguments and full disclosure of e-commerce vulnerability informations being post to the world wide web in the good nature of freedom of speech but the argument that exposing the network access information of world governments leaving the network open to terrorist cyber intrusion is unacceptable by any code of ethics that i can agree with. i as member of the public say not in my name can you release network access informations to the public for self satisfaction and delight that you have managed to breach the national security infrastructure of a government. i say you should be ashamed, and if you had just claimed you were just being an accessory and conspiracy to cause terrorist cyber intrustions then i wouldn't be writing to complain, but its the fact you use full disclosure of a responsible security professional as an excuse for your actions which makes me believe you should be stripped of your job title and held accountable to the governments you have left vulnerable to terrorist cyber intrusion. you are not a security professional, you are lower than that, you are working against the ethics of the basis of your career of security professional. responsible security professionals don't risk the national security interests of multiple world governments, leaving the population vulnerable in the process by making the government network weaker by offering access to the mass public, where ultimately cyber terrorists are lurking in wait to ambush the network access data to espionage on their operations. this information you post is what your risking to the world, is a greater feeling of instability throughout the affected countries and a general feeling of alarm and distress to the mass public. your informations were reported to the mass public media on the internet as well as chinese television stations, and other mediums of public broadcasting, this is unacceptable in the level of your full disclosure ethic has caused to the wider world. i believe your actions to be morally incorrect and that your actions should be illegal while our brave men are fighting the war on terror to protect your childrens future, this kind of anti government disclosure shouldn't come under the ordinary full disclosure ethics. you post on your website that you are angry your hosting company disapproved on your disclosure to the mass public, you said why bother terminating my website when informations are already been in the public domain? damage limtiation is the reason, and the fact the informations shouldn't have been there in the first place, i thought maybe this would be an indication that your code of conduct was actually immorally and maybe you would reconsider the legality of what you put on your website, but you didn't, you kept the tempo high by relocating your website to a new server which was under the control of your irresponsible self, away from account terminations and away from becoming under the scrutiny of a hosting companys terms of service agreement. you then try and point blame to others, you blame the united states government for contacting your hosting provider to get you shutdown and you blame the governments for leaving their own population open to a national security breach. you in no way find yourself accountable for any wrong doing in light of the informations posted, and you find yourself innocent of any wrong doings. you abused and hi-jacked the full disclosure code of ethics to risk the saftey of
