Re: [Full-Disclosure] Student faces suit over key to CD locks
It's funny as how companys are running crazy. Throwing lawsuit at anyone that proves that they are complete idiots! They might as well sue a whole group of companies for not implementing the autorun feature that automatically installs their protection driver to prevent anyone from copying the software. (which can easily be disabled in less than 5 minutes) Hopefully, we won't get sued for knowing how to bypass the protection scheme... (You can read the paper in question at : http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~jhalderm/cd3/) Salutations, Johan Denoyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digital Connexion http://www.digital-connexion.info Richard M. Smith a dit#160;: http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-5089168.html?tag=nefd_top Student faces suit over key to CD locks Last modified: October 9, 2003, 2:01 PM PDT By John Borland Staff Writer, CNET News.com SunnComm Technologies, a developer of CD antipiracy technology, said Thursday that it will likely sue a Princeton student who early this week showed how to evade the company's copy protection by pushing a computer's Shift key. Princeton Ph.D. student John Alex Halderman published a paper on his Web site on Monday that gave detailed instructions on how to disarm the SunnComm technology, which aims to block unauthorized CD copying and MP3 ripping. The technology is included on an album by Anthony Hamilton that was recently distributed by BMG Music. On Thursday, SunnComm CEO Peter Jacobs said the company plans legal action and is considering both criminal and civil suits. He said it may charge the student with maligning the company's reputation and, possibly, with violating copyright law that bans the distribution of tools for breaking through digital piracy safeguards. We feel we were the victim of an unannounced agenda and that the company has been wronged, Jacobs said. I think the agenda is: 'Digital property should belong to everyone on the Internet.' I'm not sure that works in the marketplace. The cases are already being examined by some intellectual-property lawyers for their potential to test the extremes of a controversial copyright law that block the distribution of information or software that breaks or circumvents copy-protection technologies. Several civil and criminal cases based on the Digital Millennium Copyright Act have been filed against people who distributed information or software aimed at breaking through antipiracy locks. In one, Web publisher Eric Corley was banned by a federal judge from publishing software code that helped in the process of copying DVDs. In a criminal case, Russian company ElcomSoft was cleared of charges that it had distributed software that willfully broke through Adobe Systems' e-book copy protection. Both of those cases dealt with software or software code, however. The issue in Halderman's case is somewhat different. In his paper, published on the Princeton Web site on Monday, the student explained that the SunnComm technique relies on installing antipiracy software directly from the protected CD itself. However, this can be prevented by stopping Microsoft Windows' auto-run feature. That can be done simply by pushing the Shift key as the CD loads. If the CD does load and installs the software, Halderman identified the driver file that can be disabled using standard Windows tools. Free-speech activists said the nature of Halderman's instructions--which appeared in an academic paper, used only functions built into every Windows computer, and were not distributed for profit--meant they would not fall under DMCA scrutiny. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Re: [Full-Disclosure] Student faces suit over key to CD locks
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 23:54, Richard M. Smith wrote: http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-5089168.html?tag=nefd_top Student faces suit over key to CD locks [snip] In his paper, published on the Princeton Web site on Monday, the student explained that the SunnComm technique relies on installing antipiracy software directly from the protected CD itself. However, this can be prevented by stopping Microsoft Windows' auto-run feature. That can be done simply by pushing the Shift key as the CD loads. Do not news.com.com, theregister.co.uk, full-disclosure, Richard M. Smith, me and everyone simply by citing these articles violate the DMCA? Actually, I don't have to read the student's paper anymore to learn how to circumvent SunnComm's audio CD protection - reading some news report about the issue suffices. So, everybody telling others how this protection can be circumvented could theoretically be sued under US law. Europe seemed to be safe against these perversions, but Germany has recently adopted a DMCA-like law. In fact, every member of the EU will have to adopt the European Union Copyright Directive [1]. However, these things were not invented in Brussel, it is solely the adoption of the WIPO Copyright Treaty from December 1996 [2,3]. regards nicola [1] http://wiki.ael.be/index.php/EUCD-Status [2] http://www.eurorights.org/eudmca/index.html [3] http://www.wipo.int/treaties/ip/wct/index.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Re: [Full-Disclosure] Student faces suit over key to CD locks
In his paper, published on the Princeton Web site on Monday, the student explained that the SunnComm technique relies on installing antipiracy software directly from the protected CD itself. However, this can be prevented by stopping Microsoft Windows' auto-run feature. That can be done simply by pushing the Shift key as the CD loads. Do not news.com.com, theregister.co.uk, full-disclosure, Richard M. Smith, me and everyone simply by citing these articles violate the DMCA? Actually, I don't have to read the student's paper anymore to learn how to circumvent SunnComm's audio CD protection - reading some news report about the issue suffices. lmfao, perfectly stated, and neither do a another billion people who will read, or heaven forbid hear it on the radio or see it on tv.. the information is now in the public domain... being exactly told the method of circumvention in the media / news description and subsequent article.. http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/10/08/bmg.protection.reut/ http://www.google.com/search?hl=enie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=suncomm+shift+keybtnG=Google+Search LOL rofl HAAHHAHAHa Donnie Werner E2 Labs http://e2-labs.com ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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snip On Thursday, SunnComm CEO Peter Jacobs said the company plans legal action and is considering both criminal and civil suits. He said it may charge the student with maligning the company's reputation and, possibly, with violating copyright law that bans the distribution of tools for breaking through digital piracy safeguards. snip Correct me if I'm wrong but how is holding down the shift key distributing tools for breaking through digital piracy safeguards? Shouldn't the keyboard manufacturers be sued since they are the ones that made the shift key and distributed it? Jonathan ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
RE: [Full-Disclosure] Student faces suit over key to CD locks
Does this mean they're going to attempt to sue Microsoft also, for publishing this feature in their Windows documentation? Or perhaps they'll take the RIAA's approach and sue anyone who uses the SHIFT key. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
RE: [Full-Disclosure] Student faces suit over key to CD locks
[SNIP] Not only that, but by annoucing they are going to sue, they hype the press up so the general public knows about it as well. As it was, the security community and interested geeks were probably the only ones who would have noticed the issue, but now the whole world knows. Can you imagine Johnny Slowpoke, who knows little to nothing about computers, reading the article and saying, Honey, look at this. Some company made copy protection for CDs that was so lame that all you have to do is hold down the shift key to bypass it. Can you imagine that? How stupid is that? And now they're suing the student who pointed it out. What a bunch of dorks! Naw, most non-techies are going to spend a week trying to locate the 'shift' key, after they finally locate the anykey. This story and suit is going to make its waves in the techie circles, but, will most likely not get alot of real play in the real world. Thanks, Ron DuFresne ~~ Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation. -- Johnny Hart ***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!*** OK, so you're a Ph.D. Just don't touch anything. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
RE: [Full-Disclosure] Student faces suit over key to CD locks
Below is a comment from a colleague of mine Personally, I have autorun disabled on my laptop anyway so it'd never get installed, but I wonder if it pops up a dialog to ask you if you want this intrusive device driver installed on your system. It's clearly malicious code, since it limits the capabilities of your PC. I wonder if you could sue them for hacking your computer? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schmehl, Paul L Sent: 10 October 2003 15:25 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Student faces suit over key to CD locks -Original Message- From: Johan Denoyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:49 AM To: Richard M. Smith Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Student faces suit over key to CD locks It's funny as how companys are running crazy. Throwing lawsuit at anyone that proves that they are complete idiots! Not only that, but by annoucing they are going to sue, they hype the press up so the general public knows about it as well. As it was, the security community and interested geeks were probably the only ones who would have noticed the issue, but now the whole world knows. Can you imagine Johnny Slowpoke, who knows little to nothing about computers, reading the article and saying, Honey, look at this. Some company made copy protection for CDs that was so lame that all you have to do is hold down the shift key to bypass it. Can you imagine that? How stupid is that? And now they're suing the student who pointed it out. What a bunch of dorks! Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu/~pauls/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html ---Warning This e-mail is from outside Tesco - check that it is genuine. Tesco may monitor and record all e-mails. Disclaimer This is a confidential email. Tesco may monitor and record all emails. The views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not Tesco. Tesco Stores Limited, Tesco House, Delamare Road, Cheshunt, Herts, EN8 9SL: company number 519500. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Re: [Full-Disclosure] Student faces suit over key to CD locks
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:25:16 CDT, Schmehl, Paul L said: Not only that, but by annoucing they are going to sue, they hype the press up so the general public knows about it as well. As it was, the security community and interested geeks were probably the only ones who would have noticed the issue, but now the whole world knows. Can you imagine Johnny Slowpoke, who knows little to nothing about computers, reading the article and saying, Honey, look at this. Some company made copy protection for CDs that was so lame that all you have to do is hold down the shift key to bypass it. Can you imagine that? How stupid is that? And now they're suing the student who pointed it out. What a bunch of dorks! Been there, done that, some people don't learn: Adobe. rot-13. Some poor guy from Moscow. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [Full-Disclosure] Student faces suit over key to CD locks
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003, Jonathan Grotegut wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but how is holding down the shift key distributing tools for breaking through digital piracy safeguards? Shouldn't the keyboard manufacturers be sued since they are the ones that made the shift key and distributed it? No, they shouldn't - the 'tool' in question isn't a physical item (like a hammer or a keyboard), it's the procedure of holding down the shift key. Distributing this idea is what SunnComm have issues with - although any company worth their salt should not be relying on a 'feature' such as autorun that Microsoft themselves publish methods for disabling through TweakUI and careful editing of the registry. I hope that this lawsuit gets thrown out at the first opportunity. And then Sony/Phillips go after SunnComm for using the 'Compact Disc' trademark erroneously. -- Steven Harrison F Invalid file name, 0:1 ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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At 10:06 AM 10/10/03 -0500, Ron DuFresne wrote: This story and suit is going to make its waves in the techie circles, but, will most likely not get alot of real play in the real world. http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2003/10/10/news/8797.shtml They dropped the suit later in the day; I don't think they have the stomach for the kind of battle that would probably have ensued. m5x ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
RE: [Full-Disclosure] Student faces suit over key to CD locks
For the DMCA to apply, a copy-protection scheme must be effective. Given that the SunnComm technology doesn't work on a Windows system where CD auto-play has been turned off, I would assume that in court they will have a tough time convincing a judge or a jury that their technology meets the effectiveness requirement of the DMCA. Turning off CD auto-play is good idea from a security standpoint and has nothing to do with circumventing copy-protection schemes. Here's the wording of the DMCA: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c105:1:./temp/~c105Ate0xB:e11962 Sec. 1201. Circumvention of copyright protection systems `(a) VIOLATIONS REGARDING CIRCUMVENTION OF TECHNOLOGICAL MEASURES- (1)(A) No person shall circumvent a technological measure that *effectively* controls access to a work protected under this title. == `(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that-- `(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; `(B) has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title; or `(C) is marketed by that person or another acting in concert with that person with that person's knowledge for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title. `(3) As used in this subsection-- `(A) to `circumvent a technological measure' means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner; and `(B) a technological measure `effectively controls access to a work' if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work. Richard PS. IANAL, YMMV, etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan A. Zdziarski Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:04 AM To: Schmehl, Paul L Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Student faces suit over key to CD locks Does this mean they're going to attempt to sue Microsoft also, for publishing this feature in their Windows documentation? Or perhaps they'll take the RIAA's approach and sue anyone who uses the SHIFT key. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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Looks like Sunncomm isn't among the folks incapable of learning: http://www.p2pnet.net/article/8380 Sunncomm responded with angry threats of legal action and lawsuits under the DMCA. But last night Sunncomm ceo Peter Jacobs said a successful lawsuit would do little to reverse the damage done by Halderman's disclosure and would probably hurt Sunncomm by making computer scientists think twice about researching copy-protection technology. -- Shawn McMahon | Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, EIV Consulting| that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any UNIX and Linux| hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure http://www.eiv.com| the survival and the success of liberty. - JFK pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Friday 10 October 2003 11:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been there, done that, some people don't learn: Adobe. rot-13. Some poor guy from Moscow. I concur, but the Princeton grad student that published the paper still has to defend himself in court -- which is both time consuming and costly to all. IMHO, they are just bullying him around, and that is deplorable. Cheers, Ken van Wyk ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope that this lawsuit gets thrown out at the first opportunity. And then Sony/Phillips go after SunnComm for using the 'Compact Disc' trademark erroneously. AFAIK, This doesn't break the CD standard. the disks are perfectly readable dual-session disks, just with nasty malware on them ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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Yes, they will have to think twice about the QUALITY of the copy-protection they are creating. (as they should) -DB On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 09:53, Shawn McMahon wrote: Looks like Sunncomm isn't among the folks incapable of learning: http://www.p2pnet.net/article/8380 Sunncomm responded with angry threats of legal action and lawsuits under the DMCA. But last night Sunncomm ceo Peter Jacobs said a successful lawsuit would do little to reverse the damage done by Halderman's disclosure and would probably hurt Sunncomm by making computer scientists think twice about researching copy-protection technology. -- --- Darren Bennett - CISSP Sr. Systems Administrator/Manager Science Applications International Corporation Advanced Systems Development and Integration --- ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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You may write to prez of SunnNNNcoM Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or view his gibberish under a woefully insecure flash infested website here: http://www.sunncomm.com/asktheprez/asktheprez.asp Peter has addressed a carefully selected question about hacking and answered it like security is a barbie doll, a plaything. Perhaps Peter should not be in the security field judging by his childlike attitude, the miserably cartoonish website of his company and the simple fact that his entursted chore of creating copy-protection mechansims can be defeated by simply holding down a KEY. I would suggest whoever has commissioned or contracted him to produce this farcical product, immediately penalise not only this pathetic company but also him personally as an officer pathetic company. Peter - you have insulted the entire security community with such a ridiculous product. Kindly refrain from entering this field and stick to something else. As a security guru, a multi-billionaire and a fund manager for a top 10 prime bank, I shall be instructing my people to downgrade your stock as a result of all of this. I am now even embarrassed to call me peter Peter. Shame on you! Q: I´ve heard your technology can be hacked. Does that mean it won´t work? (10/6/2003 7:37:18 PM) A: Not at all. People who perform tests on MediaMax and declare it to be hackable don´t understand why it´s there in the first place. Let me tell you why: 1. All technology can be hacked by people wishing to make illegal and unauthorized use of the content owners´ property. Prior to MediaMax, there was no alternative to the illegal copying and re-copying of music by users. Now with MediaMax on the CD, honest people have a way of honoring the artist´s wishes regarding how and where the music property can be copied and shared. 2. MediaMax was designed to put a structure on the CD, itself, that empowers consumers to make licensed, legal and yes, limited copies of the music. The world has never seen anything like it before. 3. Thieves attempting to circumvent the technology for the purpose of re-distributing the music are breaking the law. Nothing will ever stop these thieves. They´ve rationalized the theft and they will always be looking for ways to cheat the system. 4. The goal of MediaMax was not to invent the holy grail (since one does not exist). The idea was to provide users with a way to legally use the CD, whether that be for copying or sharing the music. The difference between using our implanted technology or ripping the music for re-distribution is the difference between withdrawing money from your bank or robbing it. 5. If you owned technology that allowed you to transport the money from your local bank to your living room, doesn´t give you the right to do it. Music is much the same. As a consumer, you purchase the listening rights to the music on the CD, not the duplication rights. 6. No matter how much stealing (called sharing to make thieves feel better about themselves)goes on, it´s still taking the copyrighted property of others and converting it to one´s own use. 7. The current version of MediaMax is like any software technology in Version 1. The next version will make it tougher and tougher to circumvent. We have to start somewhere and progressive record companies like BMG and others understand this. 8. Meanwhile, honest people, may, for the first time, enjoy the pleasurable experience of legal and licensed copying and sharing of their music - that´s about 95% of us. That´s who we designed MediaMax for. 9. So-called experts who grandstand by publishing MediaMax hacks don´t get it. They seem to born out of some Messiah complex hell-bent on saving the world from any technological attempt to protect artists and their property. It´s as though they think that music is different from other real property. It isn´t, and the people who subvert the protection that is afforded by MediaMax, no matter how trivial they deem that protection to be, are conspiring to commit theft against the wishes of the artists who created the musical property. 10. With MediaMax, we have a technology that plays on virtually every device and allows both copying and sharing, yet some think our technology is worthless based on how easy or hard it is to steal and convert the music property. It´s as though they think that honest people will always steal if there´s a way to get away with it. Hackers think circumventing protection technologies is a game. It´s not. It´s a crime. I´m going to predict they´ve all got a wake-up call coming. -- This is how we, a bunch of musicians and artists (and, yes, business people) at SunnComm feel about what we do. Thanks for writing, Peter Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get FREE encrypted email: https://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger https://www.hushmail.com/services.php?subloc=messengerl=434
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It has now been drawn to my attention that Peter has 'backed down' from the lawsuit. I fear that it is too late for that dear Peter. A an officer of a public company it is unacceptable to throw around 'willy-nilly' lawsuits at whim. This affects not only the integrity of the company that you steer but also causes grave concern to the editors of leading internet publications. I am some articles ABOUT your proposed lawsuit are now only propagating through the media wires. To have you suddenly reverse this within hours is most selfish and all reporters will now have to scramble to fix the miss your whim has created. My suggestion now is two-fold - 1. you relenquish your stewardship immediately, you are not fit to run the ship any longer - 2. failing that we shall endeavour to purchase sufficient shares in the operation to toss you 'willy-nilly' by your ear, out the door. This is not the way we conduct corporate busines in this day and age, you have sullied your company's already less than glistening reputation and made a mockery of both the security industry and the judicial system to which we only turn to as a last resort. My decision is final. On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:58:32 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may write to prez of SunnNNNcoM Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or view his gibberish under a woefully insecure flash infested website here: http://www.sunncomm.com/asktheprez/asktheprez.asp Peter has addressed a carefully selected question about hacking and answered it like security is a barbie doll, a plaything. Perhaps Peter should not be in the security field judging by his childlike attitude, the miserably cartoonish website of his company and the simple fact that his entursted chore of creating copy-protection mechansims can be defeated by simply holding down a KEY. I would suggest whoever has commissioned or contracted him to produce this farcical product, immediately penalise not only this pathetic company but also him personally as an officer pathetic company. Peter - you have insulted the entire security community with such a ridiculous product. Kindly refrain from entering this field and stick to something else. As a security guru, a multi-billionaire and a fund manager for a top 10 prime bank, I shall be instructing my people to downgrade your stock as a result of all of this. I am now even embarrassed to call me peter Peter. Shame on you! Q: I´ve heard your technology can be hacked. Does that mean it won´t work? (10/6/2003 7:37:18 PM) A: Not at all. People who perform tests on MediaMax and declare it to be hackable don´t understand why it´s there in the first place. Let me tell you why: 1. All technology can be hacked by people wishing to make illegal and unauthorized use of the content owners´ property. Prior to MediaMax, there was no alternative to the illegal copying and re-copying of music by users. Now with MediaMax on the CD, honest people have a way of honoring the artist´s wishes regarding how and where the music property can be copied and shared. 2. MediaMax was designed to put a structure on the CD, itself, that empowers consumers to make licensed, legal and yes, limited copies of the music. The world has never seen anything like it before. 3. Thieves attempting to circumvent the technology for the purpose of re-distributing the music are breaking the law. Nothing will ever stop these thieves. They´ve rationalized the theft and they will always be looking for ways to cheat the system. 4. The goal of MediaMax was not to invent the holy grail (since one does not exist). The idea was to provide users with a way to legally use the CD, whether that be for copying or sharing the music. The difference between using our implanted technology or ripping the music for re-distribution is the difference between withdrawing money from your bank or robbing it. 5. If you owned technology that allowed you to transport the money from your local bank to your living room, doesn´t give you the right to do it. Music is much the same. As a consumer, you purchase the listening rights to the music on the CD, not the duplication rights. 6. No matter how much stealing (called sharing to make thieves feel better about themselves)goes on, it´s still taking the copyrighted property of others and converting it to one´s own use. 7. The current version of MediaMax is like any software technology in Version 1. The next version will make it tougher and tougher to circumvent. We have to start somewhere and progressive record companies like BMG and others understand this. 8. Meanwhile, honest people, may, for the first time, enjoy the pleasurable experience of legal and licensed copying and sharing of their music - that´s about 95% of us. That´s who we designed MediaMax for. 9. So-called experts who grandstand by publishing MediaMax hacks don´t get it. They seem to born out of some Messiah complex hell-bent on saving the world from any
