Re: [funsec] If Swine Flu Weren't Enough, Now There's Swine Ebola

2009-08-26 Thread John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP
Itd be low fat, high misery.

On 8/26/09, Rob Thompson  wrote:
> chaim.rie...@gmail.com wrote:
>> When the dude said on that little hill in the middle of the desert, don't
>> eat pork. He meant it.
>
> But what would life be, without bacon?
>
> *oink
>
>>
>> Ps. I don't listen to the dude
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>> Subject: [funsec] If Swine Flu Weren't Enough, Now There's Swine Ebola
>> Sent: Aug 26, 2009 14:12
>>
>> Don't worry, it can't hurt you yet. :-)
>>
>> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=swine-ebola-discovered
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> - ferg
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Re: [funsec] If Swine Flu Weren't Enough, Now There's Swine Ebola

2009-08-26 Thread Paul Ferguson
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Rob Thompson
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> chaim.rie...@gmail.com wrote:
>> When the dude said on that little hill in the middle of the desert,
>> don't eat pork. He meant it.
>
> But what would life be, without bacon?
>
> *oink

"But bacon is good, pork chops are good!" - Pulp Fiction

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Re: [funsec] If Swine Flu Weren't Enough, Now There's Swine Ebola

2009-08-26 Thread Rob Thompson
chaim.rie...@gmail.com wrote:
> When the dude said on that little hill in the middle of the desert, don't eat 
> pork. He meant it.

But what would life be, without bacon?

*oink

> 
> Ps. I don't listen to the dude
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> 
> Don't worry, it can't hurt youyet. :-)
> 
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=swine-ebola-discovered
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Re: [funsec] Microsoft in Web photo racism row

2009-08-26 Thread Les Bell

"Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah"  wrote:

>>
They changed it so that it
would hide the fact that there was a copy of "The Protocols of the Elders
of
Redmond" on the window ledge behind him.
<<

That has to be a fake - the Elders came from Albuquerque and their
descendants wandered in the wilderness of Bellevue before Redmond was given
unto them. In fact, there is a legend that before Albuquerque, the Elders
came from a planet circling the star Altair, but most moderns dismiss that
as a myth.

Best,

--- Les Bell
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Re: [funsec] Microsoft in Web photo racism row

2009-08-26 Thread Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Juha-Matti Laurio   > wrote:

> > http://lh4.ggpht.com/_EHZsoUS6SIA/SpQ93JYbf9I/Ets/2HmV595XEqk/microbloodysoft.jpg

Actually, it was the white guy who was in the original.  They changed it so 
that it 
would hide the fact that there was a copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of 
Redmond" on the window ledge behind him.  (Look closely.)


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Re: [funsec] OT: CDC recommends male circumcision as very effective to fight HIV (AIDS)

2009-08-26 Thread Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah
+Date sent: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:03:31 -0700 (PDT)
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> o  What is the theory about circumcision reducing AIDS?

Circumcision has long been known to be effective in reducing the occurrence of 
all 
sorts of all sorts of genital infections.  (Some say that this is balanced by 
the risks 
associated with the operation itself.  I'm not going to join the "for or 
against" 
debate, other than to say that, in my days working in a hospital, I had to 
"special" 
a patient who had had to have a circumcision late in life due to infections, 
and it 
wasn't fun.)  I believe the general theory is that the flexing and retraction 
of the 
foreskin (even when sexual activity is not involved) increases microscopic 
tears 
and lesions, and the fold of the foreskin over the glans provides a catchment 
area 
for infective or necrotic material.

> o  Why is it "only in high-risk populations" and not in the general 
> population?

In low risk populations the incidence of AIDS is low enough that somebody could 
probably make a statistical case for the preventive properties of holding an 
unpeeled carrot between your toes.  (Somebody else could probably make a 
statistical case indicating the dangers of said carrots.)

> Is it possible that
> social factors associated with parents who circumcise is the cause of
> differences among high-risk populations?

Possible, but I believe the study adjusted for that kind of factor.  I think 
that at 
least some of the study looked at those who had circumcision in their teens and 
twenties *as* a preventive measure.

> I have to admit, though, that
> my bias is to believe the reason is the same as the ritual of female genital
> mutilation: to decrease sexual pleasure for the purpose of societal control.

I'm really not sure what you mean by that, but I've got the feeling that 
somebody 
is doing it wrong.

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Re: [funsec] Microsoft in Web photo racism row

2009-08-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:34:56 +0300, Juha-Matti Laurio said:

> And look into this:
> But on the website of its Polish business unit the black man's head was 
> replaced
> with a white face, although the colour of his hands was unchanged. 

Which got them a mention here:

http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2009/08/microsoft-poland-at-least-they-left.html


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Re: [funsec] If Swine Flu Weren't Enough, Now There's Swine Ebola

2009-08-26 Thread chaim . rieger
When the dude said on that little hill in the middle of the desert, don't eat 
pork. He meant it.

Ps. I don't listen to the dude
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[funsec] If Swine Flu Weren't Enough, Now There's Swine Ebola

2009-08-26 Thread Paul Ferguson
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Don't worry, it can't hurt you—yet. :-)

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=swine-ebola-discovered

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Re: [funsec] DON'T DO STUPID THINGS!

2009-08-26 Thread Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, David Harley wrote:
> 
> > nannying like schools banning the playing of conkers hasn't done our public
> > image any good. :( 
> > 
> > First person to mention guns gets a chestnut stake through the heart,
> > though.

OK, that's it.  Chestnut trees are banned.

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Re: [funsec] DON'T DO STUPID THINGS!

2009-08-26 Thread chris
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah 
>  wrote:
 
> I live near a deep canyon with a river.  Every summer we wonder, every time 
> we hear the sirens, whether it is yet another kid who decided to jump off the 
> cliffs into the river. 

We live in a world (most of us) that is incredibly safe by historic standards.  
Hence the rise of Extreme Sports and other risky behavior.

For my part I am glad to live in a world where it is still possible to 
willingly do stupid - and even potentially fatal - things.  I've done all sorts 
of them, and given that (to this point) I am still alive to describe them I can 
verify that they have generally kicked serious ass.  From sailing small boats 
in shrieking storms to running full-tilt from rock to rock (don't slip!) to 
tree-bashing (duck! [that's downhill skiing in the woods for you flatlanders]), 
these are among the most alive moments of my life.

-jack the sound barrier.  bring the noise

-chris


  

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[funsec] Killer laptops ...

2009-08-26 Thread Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/08/26/bc-overheating-
laptop-fire-death-vancouver.html

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Re: [funsec] OT: CDC recommends male circumcision as very effective to fight HIV (AIDS)

2009-08-26 Thread chris
--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Alex Eckelberry  wrote:

> Well, it's not insignificant.  I have two boys, and the position of 
> the Doctors was always "it doesn't matter if you circumcise or not".  
> This new statement is pretty significant -- that you can actually 
> protect against AIDs. 

It would be significant with more information behind it.

o  What is the theory about circumcision reducing AIDS?

o  Why is it "only in high-risk populations" and not in the general population?

o  Can I reduce the occurrence of pink eye by cutting off my children's eyelids?

OK, the last one was facetious (or was it?) but without answers to the 
first two the article is information-free.  Is there some theory about a 
foreskin acting as a reservoir of viruses or some other explanation?  Is it 
possible that social factors associated with parents who circumcise is the 
cause of differences among high-risk populations?

Trying to keep an open mind, I am willing to consider that there is some 
medical basis for the ancient habit of penis mutilation.  I have to admit, 
though, that my bias is to believe the reason is the same as the ritual of 
female genital mutilation: to decrease sexual pleasure for the purpose of 
societal control.

-chris


  

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Re: [funsec] DON'T DO STUPID THINGS!

2009-08-26 Thread Larry Seltzer
I was about to ask "what's 'conkers'?", but that's what Wikipedia is
for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conker

Here in America things are simpler. Kids just throw rocks at each other.

Larry Seltzer
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Subject: Re: [funsec] DON'T DO STUPID THINGS!

It isn't conkers that's the problem, it's people insufficiently trained
in 
the safe use of conkers that's the problem. If conkers were banned, then

only criminals would play conkers.

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, David Harley wrote:

> > OTH, if we remove all danger from society, there's not much 
> > life left in that society.  
> > 
> > (Not disagreeing about stupid people, just pointing out the 
> > other side, such as the UK's obsession with safety which has 
> > resulted in nonsense like children not being able to play on 
> > playground equipment in some
> > areas.) 
> 
> I'm not sure that sort of nonsense is restricted to the UK. However,
> nannying like schools banning the playing of conkers hasn't done our
public
> image any good. :( 
> 
> First person to mention guns gets a chestnut stake through the heart,
> though.
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Re: [funsec] DON'T DO STUPID THINGS!

2009-08-26 Thread Drsolly
It isn't conkers that's the problem, it's people insufficiently trained in 
the safe use of conkers that's the problem. If conkers were banned, then 
only criminals would play conkers.

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, David Harley wrote:

> > OTH, if we remove all danger from society, there's not much 
> > life left in that society.  
> > 
> > (Not disagreeing about stupid people, just pointing out the 
> > other side, such as the UK's obsession with safety which has 
> > resulted in nonsense like children not being able to play on 
> > playground equipment in some
> > areas.) 
> 
> I'm not sure that sort of nonsense is restricted to the UK. However,
> nannying like schools banning the playing of conkers hasn't done our public
> image any good. :( 
> 
> First person to mention guns gets a chestnut stake through the heart,
> though.
> 
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Re: [funsec] OT: CDC recommends male circumcision as very effectiveto fight HIV (AIDS)

2009-08-26 Thread Alex Lanstein


>>>At the time I asked what my wife thought.  Her reply was it was more
>>>about what it *does* than looks like - form over substance.  Of course
>>>she could have just been making me feel better.  :)

Size doesn't matter, either

Alex

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Re: [funsec] Microsoft in Web photo racism row

2009-08-26 Thread G. D. Fuego
I really have to wonder if this was just a case of some employee  
deciding to add themselves to the image.

On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:34 AM, Juha-Matti Laurio  wrote:

> "Software giant Microsoft has apologised for editing a photo to  
> change a black man's head to that of a white man.
>
> The picture, showing employees sitting around a desk, appeared  
> unaltered on the firm's US website."
> --clip--
>
> And look into this:
> But on the website of its Polish business unit the black man's head  
> was replaced with a white face, although the colour of his hands was  
> unchanged.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8221896.stm
>
> Images at
> http://lh4.ggpht.com/_EHZsoUS6SIA/SpQ93JYbf9I/Ets/2HmV595XEqk/microbloodysoft.jpg
>
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[funsec] Microsoft in Web photo racism row

2009-08-26 Thread Juha-Matti Laurio
"Software giant Microsoft has apologised for editing a photo to change a black 
man's head to that of a white man.

The picture, showing employees sitting around a desk, appeared unaltered on the 
firm's US website."
--clip--

And look into this:
But on the website of its Polish business unit the black man's head was 
replaced with a white face, although the colour of his hands was unchanged. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8221896.stm

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Re: [funsec] OT: CDC recommends male circumcision as very effectiveto fight HIV (AIDS)

2009-08-26 Thread Andy Sutton
On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 07:02 -0400, Alex Eckelberry wrote:
> So, typically, this entire list is male-dominated.  I wonder what
> female partners think about this whole argument? 

At the time I asked what my wife thought.  Her reply was it was more
about what it *does* than looks like - form over substance.  Of course
she could have just been making me feel better.  :)

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Re: [funsec] DON'T DO STUPID THINGS!

2009-08-26 Thread David Harley
> OTH, if we remove all danger from society, there's not much 
> life left in that society.  
> 
> (Not disagreeing about stupid people, just pointing out the 
> other side, such as the UK's obsession with safety which has 
> resulted in nonsense like children not being able to play on 
> playground equipment in some
> areas.) 

I'm not sure that sort of nonsense is restricted to the UK. However,
nannying like schools banning the playing of conkers hasn't done our public
image any good. :( 

First person to mention guns gets a chestnut stake through the heart,
though.

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Re: [funsec] OT: CDC recommends male circumcision as very effectiveto fight HIV (AIDS)

2009-08-26 Thread Alex Eckelberry
So, typically, this entire list is male-dominated.  I wonder what female
partners think about this whole argument? 

Wait, there's a study for that:

http://www.circumstitions.com/Iowa.html


Alex


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On Behalf Of Peter Evans
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:35 PM
To: funsec
Subject: Re: [funsec] OT: CDC recommends male circumcision as very
effectiveto fight HIV (AIDS)

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 05:47:25PM -0500, Andy Sutton wrote:
> I had to recently wade through all the sides on this debate to decide 
> what was best for my own son.  Both sides of the debate are very 
> vocal, and it is tough to know what is bias - including internal bias.

> In the end I decided to let him decide.  It's his after all.

I approve totally. If he wants to mutilate his junk when he's
old
enough, let him.

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Re: [funsec] DON'T DO STUPID THINGS!

2009-08-26 Thread Alex Eckelberry
OTH, if we remove all danger from society, there's not much life left in
that society.  

(Not disagreeing about stupid people, just pointing out the other side,
such as the UK's obsession with safety which has resulted in nonsense
like children not being able to play on playground equipment in some
areas.) 

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On Behalf Of Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:40 PM
To: funsec@linuxbox.org
Subject: [funsec] DON'T DO STUPID THINGS!

I live near a deep canyon with a river.  Every summer we wonder, every
time we hear the sirens, whether it is yet another kid who decided to
jump off the cliffs into the river.  There are big signs warning of the
danger, and a number of memorial plaques to those who have died.  (Maybe
it would be more effective if all the plaques were replaced and
reworded, to say "Sacred to the memory of X, WHO WAS REALLY STUPID!!")

So, we have a hurricane winding down, and what do people do?  Decide to
run out to the rocks and look at the big waves.  Sometimes from
underneath.

"A 7-year-old girl died in Maine after she, her father, and a
12-year-old girl were swept into the water on August 23 off Acadia
National Park's Thunder Hole, where tourists often gather to watch waves
crash into a crevasse and make a thundering sound while splashing high
in the air. Park officials at Acadia National Park, about 110 miles
northeast of Portland, said an estimated 10,000 people, lured by the
wild ocean, converged on the park's loop road trying to get a good view
of waves more than 15 feet high crashing against the rocky shore. "The
problem was there were thousands and thousands of people to try to keep
an eye on," said the chief ranger. The U.S. Coast Guard reported that
the waves swept over 20 people. The chief ranger said 11 people were
taken to the hospital, mainly for broken bones after being slammed onto
the rocks. A Thunder Hole viewing platform was closed, and they were
among hundreds of people watching the waves from nearby rocks. Many
people did not even move when the waves splashed them and instead seemed
to laugh it off, the chief ranger said."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gVWjsPEiqe1tEu2mhBIRax
xGi8owD9A93BK02 

Also:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2009/08/25/ns-boaters-hurrica
ne-
bill.html

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