Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
OK, since it's FUN sec: God is Dead: Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche, The Gay Science 1882 Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche is Dead, God, August 25 1900 -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Randal T. Rioux Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:13 PM To: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy Apple is dead. Randy //had to do it, sorry Joel. On Thu, January 28, 2010 4:28 pm, Joel Esler wrote: Flash is dead. -- Joel Esler On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes t...@byrneit.net wrote: Since it doesn't have Flash support, it's not even useful for that. -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec- boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of David Lodge Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:05 AM To: Juha-Matti Laurio; chaim.rie...@gmail.com; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy http://blog.flurry.com/bid/30019/Apple-Tablet-The-Second-Stage- Media- Booster-Rocket As suspected, it's just a big iPod touch. It should probably be renamed the iPr0n; as I bet that's all it'll be used for... ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
Let's face it, do you think it's a coincidence that Pr0n is delivered via Flash? Maybe we should just call Pr0n deliverers Flashers? :-p -Original Message- From: Joel Esler [mailto:esl...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:14 PM To: Tomas L. Byrnes Cc: Dragos Ruiu; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy You seem to know a lot about that kind of thing Tom. ;) -- Joel Esler On Jan 28, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes t...@byrneit.net wrote: NO argument here, but that is in the future, for now, if you want pr0n on your iPad, you're SOL. -Original Message- From: Joel Esler [mailto:esl...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:27 PM To: Tomas L. Byrnes Cc: Dragos Ruiu; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy Html5 will kill it. -- Joel Esler On Jan 28, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes t...@byrneit.net wrote: Not for Pr0n. -Original Message- From: Dragos Ruiu [mailto:d...@kyx.net] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:09 PM To: Joel Esler Cc: Tomas L. Byrnes; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy On 28-Jan-10, at 1:28 PM, Joel Esler wrote: Flash is dead. mpython It's just a fleshwound... /mpython -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
Apple is dead. Randy //had to do it, sorry Joel. On Thu, January 28, 2010 4:28 pm, Joel Esler wrote: Flash is dead. -- Joel Esler On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes t...@byrneit.net wrote: Since it doesn't have Flash support, it's not even useful for that. -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec- boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of David Lodge Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:05 AM To: Juha-Matti Laurio; chaim.rie...@gmail.com; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy http://blog.flurry.com/bid/30019/Apple-Tablet-The-Second-Stage-Media- Booster-Rocket As suspected, it's just a big iPod touch. It should probably be renamed the iPr0n; as I bet that's all it'll be used for... ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
Ur doing it wrong. ;) -- Joel Esler 302-223-5974 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Randal T. Rioux ra...@procyonlabs.com wrote: Apple is dead. Randy //had to do it, sorry Joel. On Thu, January 28, 2010 4:28 pm, Joel Esler wrote: Flash is dead. -- Joel Esler On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes t...@byrneit.net wrote: Since it doesn't have Flash support, it's not even useful for that. -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec- boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of David Lodge Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:05 AM To: Juha-Matti Laurio; chaim.rie...@gmail.com; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy http://blog.flurry.com/bid/30019/Apple-Tablet-The-Second-Stage- Media- Booster-Rocket As suspected, it's just a big iPod touch. It should probably be renamed the iPr0n; as I bet that's all it'll be used for... ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:13:25 EST, Randal T. Rioux said: Apple is dead. But Windows is still the OS of choice for the zombie apocalypse. pgpVUNFg5GMtz.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
But Windows 7, despite what MSFT is trying to do, is not a touch OS. The iPhone OS *is* a touch OS. J On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dragos Ruiu d...@kyx.net wrote: On 28-Jan-10, at 3:06 PM, Hubbard, Dan wrote: The gOOglePAD will have flash support, but it most likely will be a fake codec. The Nokia minilaptop, which I just finally saw/held a real version of, is at about the same price point as the iPad, runs Win7 and has a 3G connection but has real kb. They are in the same weight range and I would argue are competing for the same usage/market. cheers, --dr -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp -- Joel Esler ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
What's the bright line? On Feb 2, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Joel Esler esl...@gmail.com wrote: But Windows 7, despite what MSFT is trying to do, is not a touch OS. The iPhone OS is a touch OS. J On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dragos Ruiu d...@kyx.net wrote: On 28-Jan-10, at 3:06 PM, Hubbard, Dan wrote: The gOOglePAD will have flash support, but it most likely will be a fake codec. The Nokia minilaptop, which I just finally saw/held a real version of, is at about the same price point as the iPad, runs Win7 and has a 3G connection but has real kb. They are in the same weight range and I would argue are competing for the same usage/market. cheers, --dr -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp -- Joel Esler ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
My point in saying that was that Windows 7, with touch controls is not a touch OS. If you've tried to use Windows 7 with your finger, it's essentially a mouse pointer under your finger. It's inelegant, it's imprecise, and hard to use. Apple took the time to figure out how people would use an OS that is touch, and they invented the iPhone and the iPod touch and continually refine it. Make no bones about it, I'm an Apple guy, and apologist. I've used Windows Vista and Windows 7 with touch enabled on a touch device, and it's not even close to the experience that you get on an iPhone or any of the future Apple devices that will be touch enabled (not just the iPad, but the Macbooks). A touch OS is different from a regular OS. A regular OS you navigate with a keyboard and mouse, a touch OS you navigate with your finger, (or several fingers). You can do things in a touch OS that you can't do in a regular OS and Microsoft has not figured that out. yet. Even if you use natural devices like ink (a pen based device to navigate your OS), it's still a mouse pointer. Not saying they won't. But they will. We are on the edge of OS development. We are going away from the folder file icon type of OS and computers that you navigate with your keyboard and mouse into a whole new field of OSes and devices. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Dan Kaminsky d...@doxpara.com wrote: What's the bright line? On Feb 2, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Joel Esler esl...@gmail.com wrote: But Windows 7, despite what MSFT is trying to do, is not a touch OS. The iPhone OS *is* a touch OS. J On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dragos Ruiu d...@kyx.netd...@kyx.netwrote: On 28-Jan-10, at 3:06 PM, Hubbard, Dan wrote: The gOOglePAD will have flash support, but it most likely will be a fake codec. The Nokia minilaptop, which I just finally saw/held a real version of, is at about the same price point as the iPad, runs Win7 and has a 3G connection but has real kb. They are in the same weight range and I would argue are competing for the same usage/market. cheers, --dr -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp -- Joel Esler ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. -- Joel Esler ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
I agree with your points. I'm not an Apple guy (at all). But I'm dammed impressed with this Ipad. (Yeah, the Flash things sucks, but whatever, it's what it is.) Alex From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Joel Esler Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:24 AM To: Dan Kaminsky Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy My point in saying that was that Windows 7, with touch controls is not a touch OS. If you've tried to use Windows 7 with your finger, it's essentially a mouse pointer under your finger. It's inelegant, it's imprecise, and hard to use. Apple took the time to figure out how people would use an OS that is touch, and they invented the iPhone and the iPod touch and continually refine it. Make no bones about it, I'm an Apple guy, and apologist. I've used Windows Vista and Windows 7 with touch enabled on a touch device, and it's not even close to the experience that you get on an iPhone or any of the future Apple devices that will be touch enabled (not just the iPad, but the Macbooks). A touch OS is different from a regular OS. A regular OS you navigate with a keyboard and mouse, a touch OS you navigate with your finger, (or several fingers). You can do things in a touch OS that you can't do in a regular OS and Microsoft has not figured that out. yet. Even if you use natural devices like ink (a pen based device to navigate your OS), it's still a mouse pointer. Not saying they won't. But they will. We are on the edge of OS development. We are going away from the folder file icon type of OS and computers that you navigate with your keyboard and mouse into a whole new field of OSes and devices. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Dan Kaminsky d...@doxpara.commailto:d...@doxpara.com wrote: What's the bright line? On Feb 2, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Joel Esler esl...@gmail.commailto:esl...@gmail.com wrote: But Windows 7, despite what MSFT is trying to do, is not a touch OS. The iPhone OS is a touch OS. J On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dragos Ruiu d...@kyx.netmailto:d...@kyx.net wrote: On 28-Jan-10, at 3:06 PM, Hubbard, Dan wrote: The gOOglePAD will have flash support, but it most likely will be a fake codec. The Nokia minilaptop, which I just finally saw/held a real version of, is at about the same price point as the iPad, runs Win7 and has a 3G connection but has real kb. They are in the same weight range and I would argue are competing for the same usage/market. cheers, --dr -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp -- Joel Esler ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. -- Joel Esler ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
Flash is dead. HTML5 will render it obsolete. Heck, you can even use youtube via html5 now and it's far superior. www.youtube.com/html5 J On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Alex Eckelberry al...@sunbelt-software.comwrote: I agree with your points. I’m not an Apple guy (at all). But I’m dammed impressed with this Ipad. (Yeah, the Flash things sucks, but whatever, it’s what it is.) Alex *From:* funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] *On Behalf Of *Joel Esler *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:24 AM *To:* Dan Kaminsky *Cc:* funsec@linuxbox.org *Subject:* Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy My point in saying that was that Windows 7, with touch controls is not a touch OS. If you've tried to use Windows 7 with your finger, it's essentially a mouse pointer under your finger. It's inelegant, it's imprecise, and hard to use. Apple took the time to figure out how people would use an OS that is touch, and they invented the iPhone and the iPod touch and continually refine it. Make no bones about it, I'm an Apple guy, and apologist. I've used Windows Vista and Windows 7 with touch enabled on a touch device, and it's not even close to the experience that you get on an iPhone or any of the future Apple devices that will be touch enabled (not just the iPad, but the Macbooks). A touch OS is different from a regular OS. A regular OS you navigate with a keyboard and mouse, a touch OS you navigate with your finger, (or several fingers). You can do things in a touch OS that you can't do in a regular OS and Microsoft has not figured that out. yet. Even if you use natural devices like ink (a pen based device to navigate your OS), it's still a mouse pointer. Not saying they won't. But they will. We are on the edge of OS development. We are going away from the folder file icon type of OS and computers that you navigate with your keyboard and mouse into a whole new field of OSes and devices. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Dan Kaminsky d...@doxpara.com wrote: What's the bright line? On Feb 2, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Joel Esler esl...@gmail.com wrote: But Windows 7, despite what MSFT is trying to do, is not a touch OS. The iPhone OS *is* a touch OS. J On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dragos Ruiu d...@kyx.net wrote: On 28-Jan-10, at 3:06 PM, Hubbard, Dan wrote: The gOOglePAD will have flash support, but it most likely will be a fake codec. The Nokia minilaptop, which I just finally saw/held a real version of, is at about the same price point as the iPad, runs Win7 and has a 3G connection but has real kb. They are in the same weight range and I would argue are competing for the same usage/market. cheers, --dr -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp -- Joel Esler ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. -- Joel Esler -- Joel Esler ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
Hahahahahahahaha On Feb 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Joel Esler esl...@gmail.com wrote: Flash is dead. HTML5 will render it obsolete. Heck, you can even use youtube via html5 now and it's far superior. www.youtube.com/html5 J On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Alex Eckelberry al...@sunbelt-software.com wrote: I agree with your points. I’m not an Apple guy (at all). But I’m dammed impressed with this Ipad. (Yeah, the Flash things sucks, but whatever, it’s what it is.) Alex From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec- boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Joel Esler Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:24 AM To: Dan Kaminsky Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy My point in saying that was that Windows 7, with touch controls is not a touch OS. If you've tried to use Windows 7 with your finger, it's essentially a mouse pointer under your finger. It's inelegant, it's imprecise, and hard to use. Apple took the time to figure out how people would use an OS that is touch, and they invented the iPhone and the iPod touch and continually refine it. Make no bones about it, I'm an Apple guy, and apologist. I've used Windows Vista and Windows 7 with touch enabled on a touch device, and it's not even close to the experience that you get on an iPhone or any of the future Apple devices that will be touch enabled (not just the iPad, but the Macbooks). A touch OS is different from a regular OS. A regular OS you navigate with a keyboard and mouse, a touch OS you navigate with your finger, (or several fingers). You can do things in a touch OS that you can't do in a regular OS and Microsoft has not figured that out. yet. Even if you use natural devices like ink (a pen based device to navigate your OS), it's still a mouse pointer. Not saying they won't. But they will. We are on the edge of OS development. We are going away from the folder file icon type of OS and computers that you navigate with your keyboard and mouse into a whole new field of OSes and devices. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Dan Kaminsky d...@doxpara.com wrote: What's the bright line? On Feb 2, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Joel Esler esl...@gmail.com wrote: But Windows 7, despite what MSFT is trying to do, is not a touch OS. The iPhone OS is a touch OS. J On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dragos Ruiu d...@kyx.net wrote: On 28-Jan-10, at 3:06 PM, Hubbard, Dan wrote: The gOOglePAD will have flash support, but it most likely will be a fake codec. The Nokia minilaptop, which I just finally saw/held a real version of, is at about the same price point as the iPad, runs Win7 and has a 3G connection but has real kb. They are in the same weight range and I would argue are competing for the same usage/market. cheers, --dr -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp -- Joel Esler ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. -- Joel Esler -- Joel Esler ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
Oh come on Dan, let me live in my fantasy, you know, the one where it all works out in the end... J On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Dan Kaminsky d...@doxpara.com wrote: Hahahahahahahaha On Feb 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Joel Esler esl...@gmail.com wrote: Flash is dead. HTML5 will render it obsolete. Heck, you can even use youtube via html5 now and it's far superior. http://www.youtube.com/html5www.youtube.com/html5 J On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Alex Eckelberry al...@sunbelt-software.com al...@sunbelt-software.com wrote: I agree with your points. I’m not an Apple guy (at all). But I’m dammed impressed with this Ipad. (Yeah, the Flash things sucks, but whatever, it’s what it is.) Alex *From:* funsec-boun...@linuxbox.orgfunsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] *On Behalf Of *Joel Esler *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:24 AM *To:* Dan Kaminsky *Cc:* funsec@linuxbox.orgfunsec@linuxbox.org *Subject:* Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy My point in saying that was that Windows 7, with touch controls is not a touch OS. If you've tried to use Windows 7 with your finger, it's essentially a mouse pointer under your finger. It's inelegant, it's imprecise, and hard to use. Apple took the time to figure out how people would use an OS that is touch, and they invented the iPhone and the iPod touch and continually refine it. Make no bones about it, I'm an Apple guy, and apologist. I've used Windows Vista and Windows 7 with touch enabled on a touch device, and it's not even close to the experience that you get on an iPhone or any of the future Apple devices that will be touch enabled (not just the iPad, but the Macbooks). A touch OS is different from a regular OS. A regular OS you navigate with a keyboard and mouse, a touch OS you navigate with your finger, (or several fingers). You can do things in a touch OS that you can't do in a regular OS and Microsoft has not figured that out. yet. Even if you use natural devices like ink (a pen based device to navigate your OS), it's still a mouse pointer. Not saying they won't. But they will. We are on the edge of OS development. We are going away from the folder file icon type of OS and computers that you navigate with your keyboard and mouse into a whole new field of OSes and devices. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Dan Kaminsky d...@doxpara.com d...@doxpara.com wrote: What's the bright line? On Feb 2, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Joel Esler esl...@gmail.com esl...@gmail.com wrote: But Windows 7, despite what MSFT is trying to do, is not a touch OS. The iPhone OS *is* a touch OS. J On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dragos Ruiu d...@kyx.netd...@kyx.net wrote: On 28-Jan-10, at 3:06 PM, Hubbard, Dan wrote: The gOOglePAD will have flash support, but it most likely will be a fake codec. The Nokia minilaptop, which I just finally saw/held a real version of, is at about the same price point as the iPad, runs Win7 and has a 3G connection but has real kb. They are in the same weight range and I would argue are competing for the same usage/market. cheers, --dr -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp -- Joel Esler ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. -- Joel Esler -- Joel Esler -- Joel Esler ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
*laughs* All y'all who hate on Flash really need to play with it through HaXe. It's really much nicer once you abandon that IDE. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Joel Esler esl...@gmail.com wrote: Oh come on Dan, let me live in my fantasy, you know, the one where it all works out in the end... J On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Dan Kaminsky d...@doxpara.com wrote: Hahahahahahahaha On Feb 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Joel Esler esl...@gmail.com wrote: Flash is dead. HTML5 will render it obsolete. Heck, you can even use youtube via html5 now and it's far superior. http://www.youtube.com/html5www.youtube.com/html5 J On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Alex Eckelberry al...@sunbelt-software.com al...@sunbelt-software.com wrote: I agree with your points. I’m not an Apple guy (at all). But I’m dammed impressed with this Ipad. (Yeah, the Flash things sucks, but whatever, it’s what it is.) Alex *From:* funsec-boun...@linuxbox.orgfunsec-boun...@linuxbox.org[mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] *On Behalf Of *Joel Esler *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:24 AM *To:* Dan Kaminsky *Cc:* funsec@linuxbox.orgfunsec@linuxbox.org *Subject:* Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy My point in saying that was that Windows 7, with touch controls is not a touch OS. If you've tried to use Windows 7 with your finger, it's essentially a mouse pointer under your finger. It's inelegant, it's imprecise, and hard to use. Apple took the time to figure out how people would use an OS that is touch, and they invented the iPhone and the iPod touch and continually refine it. Make no bones about it, I'm an Apple guy, and apologist. I've used Windows Vista and Windows 7 with touch enabled on a touch device, and it's not even close to the experience that you get on an iPhone or any of the future Apple devices that will be touch enabled (not just the iPad, but the Macbooks). A touch OS is different from a regular OS. A regular OS you navigate with a keyboard and mouse, a touch OS you navigate with your finger, (or several fingers). You can do things in a touch OS that you can't do in a regular OS and Microsoft has not figured that out. yet. Even if you use natural devices like ink (a pen based device to navigate your OS), it's still a mouse pointer. Not saying they won't. But they will. We are on the edge of OS development. We are going away from the folder file icon type of OS and computers that you navigate with your keyboard and mouse into a whole new field of OSes and devices. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Dan Kaminsky d...@doxpara.com d...@doxpara.com wrote: What's the bright line? On Feb 2, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Joel Esler esl...@gmail.com esl...@gmail.com wrote: But Windows 7, despite what MSFT is trying to do, is not a touch OS. The iPhone OS *is* a touch OS. J On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dragos Ruiu d...@kyx.netd...@kyx.net wrote: On 28-Jan-10, at 3:06 PM, Hubbard, Dan wrote: The gOOglePAD will have flash support, but it most likely will be a fake codec. The Nokia minilaptop, which I just finally saw/held a real version of, is at about the same price point as the iPad, runs Win7 and has a 3G connection but has real kb. They are in the same weight range and I would argue are competing for the same usage/market. cheers, --dr -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp -- Joel Esler ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. -- Joel Esler -- Joel Esler -- Joel Esler ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
Not saying they won't. But they will. We are on the edge of OS development. We are going away from the folder file icon type of OS and computers that you navigate with your keyboard and mouse into a whole new field of OSes and devices. Buy stock in Windex. We're going to have a lot of smudgy monitors in the coming years as that's my main complaint with my iPhone (btw patch 'em today) and other touch devices I have. Try the Zune HD as it has the touch interface on a Windows device for comparable on the Microsoft stack. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Alex Eckelberry al...@sunbelt-software.com wrote: I agree with your points. I’m not an Apple guy (at all). I come close to hating Apple... but I bought an iPhone. But I’m dammed impressed with this Ipad. If you can run VMware on this thing I want one. Damn you, Jobs!! -chris ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 19:18, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah rmsl...@shaw.ca wrote: Date sent: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:28:11 -0500 From: Joel Esler esl...@gmail.com Flash is dead. If only ... I had a discussion at work today with a bunch of developers, and the same idea was presented if on html5. Well, I ran across a twitter link that caused me to really enjoy streaming movies again... http://www.youtube.com/html5 So far, I am seeing pretty darn cool movies. I tested on an Acer 10 netbook, 1.6GHz atom proc, 1GB ram, running chrome on Ubuntu. Just about the worst case I can think of, 'cause flash kicks my cpu to %50 in just that one chrome child. This little netbook does not even notice when streaming an html5 movie on YouTube. Give it a try, especially in chrome... Maybe an alternative to flash is closer than we think? -- steve steve pirk refiamerica.org father... the sleeper has awakened... paul atreides - dune kexp.org member august '09 ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
On Jan 30, 2010, at 6:41 AM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah wrote: Apple is simply working on the final refinements to its high-res sonar software. Then it'll be released as an upgrade, which exisitng iPad owners will all have to pay for. Not only pictures and video, but 3D. Having done a tour in geophysics processing, I can see the value of this new technology. Just think, your dental hygienist can use your 'iSonar' cam to see your teeth through your cheeks. No more worrying about having too much tartar build-up before your next cleaning. Airport security can avoid investing in those ancient full body scanners - wave your iPad around your body and let iSonar look for badness. And the images can be in color! ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
Date sent: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:28:11 -0500 From: Joel Esler esl...@gmail.com Flash is dead. If only ... == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity and I'm not sure about the former. - Albert Einstein victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm blog.isc2.org/isc2_blog/slade/index.html http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/NoticeBored http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
Flash is dead. -- Joel Esler On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes t...@byrneit.net wrote: Since it doesn't have Flash support, it's not even useful for that. -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec- boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of David Lodge Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:05 AM To: Juha-Matti Laurio; chaim.rie...@gmail.com; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy http://blog.flurry.com/bid/30019/Apple-Tablet-The-Second-Stage-Media- Booster-Rocket As suspected, it's just a big iPod touch. It should probably be renamed the iPr0n; as I bet that's all it'll be used for... ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
The gOOglePAD will have flash support, but it most likely will be a fake codec. And its only $4.99 http://www.dave-bell.co.uk/stuff/Google%20Pad%20and%20Pen.jpg -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Dragos Ruiu Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:09 PM To: Joel Esler Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy On 28-Jan-10, at 1:28 PM, Joel Esler wrote: Flash is dead. mpython It's just a fleshwound... /mpython -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
On 28-Jan-10, at 3:06 PM, Hubbard, Dan wrote: The gOOglePAD will have flash support, but it most likely will be a fake codec. The Nokia minilaptop, which I just finally saw/held a real version of, is at about the same price point as the iPad, runs Win7 and has a 3G connection but has real kb. They are in the same weight range and I would argue are competing for the same usage/market. cheers, --dr -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
Not for Pr0n. -Original Message- From: Dragos Ruiu [mailto:d...@kyx.net] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:09 PM To: Joel Esler Cc: Tomas L. Byrnes; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy On 28-Jan-10, at 1:28 PM, Joel Esler wrote: Flash is dead. mpython It's just a fleshwound... /mpython -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
When flipped rapidly with the thumb, it's not so fake ;-) -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Hubbard, Dan Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:06 PM To: 'Dragos Ruiu'; Joel Esler Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy The gOOglePAD will have flash support, but it most likely will be a fake codec. And its only $4.99 http://www.dave-bell.co.uk/stuff/Google%20Pad%20and%20Pen.jpg -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Dragos Ruiu Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:09 PM To: Joel Esler Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy On 28-Jan-10, at 1:28 PM, Joel Esler wrote: Flash is dead. mpython It's just a fleshwound... /mpython -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. Protected by Websense Hosted Email Security -- www.websense.com ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
Html5 will kill it. -- Joel Esler On Jan 28, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes t...@byrneit.net wrote: Not for Pr0n. -Original Message- From: Dragos Ruiu [mailto:d...@kyx.net] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:09 PM To: Joel Esler Cc: Tomas L. Byrnes; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy On 28-Jan-10, at 1:28 PM, Joel Esler wrote: Flash is dead. mpython It's just a fleshwound... /mpython -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
NO argument here, but that is in the future, for now, if you want pr0n on your iPad, you're SOL. -Original Message- From: Joel Esler [mailto:esl...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:27 PM To: Tomas L. Byrnes Cc: Dragos Ruiu; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy Html5 will kill it. -- Joel Esler On Jan 28, 2010, at 7:52 PM, Tomas L. Byrnes t...@byrneit.net wrote: Not for Pr0n. -Original Message- From: Dragos Ruiu [mailto:d...@kyx.net] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:09 PM To: Joel Esler Cc: Tomas L. Byrnes; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy On 28-Jan-10, at 1:28 PM, Joel Esler wrote: Flash is dead. mpython It's just a fleshwound... /mpython -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Vancouver, Canada March 22-26 http://cansecwest.com Amsterdam, Netherlands June 16/17 http://eusecwest.com pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
[funsec] Apple has a new toy
iPad -- for all your heavy data flow needs. Just wait until Apple partners with Sprint next year and releases the WiMax iPad. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
