Re: [funsec] REVIEW: Good Night Old Man, George Campbell
Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:32:22 -0600 From: RL Vaughn rl_vau...@baylor.edu ... --- .-. .-. -.-- - .- - .. -... .-. --- ..- --. - - . -.. .- -- -. - .. -. --. ..- .--. .-.-.- --- .-- . ...- . .-. --..-- .-- . .-. . -- --- .-. ... . -.-. --- -.. . -. --- - ... - .. .-.. .-.. .. -. ..- ... . --..-- .. -.-. --- ..- .-.. -.. ... - .. .-.. .-.. -... . .-.. --- ... - .. -. .-- . ... - - . -..- .- ... .-.. --- --- -.- .. -. --. ..-. --- .-. - . .-- .-. --- -. --. .- .. .-. .--. --- .-. - And you can do it while *flying*? == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org If your plan is for a year, plant rice. If your plan is for a decade, plant trees. If your plan is for a lifetime, educate children.- Confucius victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] REVIEW: Good Night Old Man, George Campbell
I'd have thought it wouldn't be too difficult to make an little box that allowed you to use a morse key instead of a keyboard, and translated the morse to the scan codes that computers want. The mouse might be a bit tricky, though. On Thu, 15 Dec 2011, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah wrote: Date sent:Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:32:22 -0600 From: RL Vaughn rl_vau...@baylor.edu ... --- .-. .-. -.-- - .- - .. -... .-. --- ..- --. - - . -.. .- -- -. - .. -. --. ..- .--. .-.-.- --- .-- . ...- . .-. --..-- .-- . .-. . -- --- .-. ... . -.-. --- -.. . -. --- - ... - .. .-.. .-.. .. -. ..- ... . --..-- .. -.-. --- ..- .-.. -.. ... - .. .-.. .-.. -... . .-.. --- ... - .. -. .-- . ... - - . -..- .- ... .-.. --- --- -.- .. -. --. ..-. --- .-. - . .-- .-. --- -. --. .- .. .-. .--. --- .-. - And you can do it while *flying*? == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org If your plan is for a year, plant rice. If your plan is for a decade, plant trees. If your plan is for a lifetime, educate children.- Confucius victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] REVIEW: Good Night Old Man, George Campbell
But they won't tell you anything about what it was like to be a telegrapher, to actually communicate, and help other people communicate with Morse code. How you got started, what the work was, and what your career might be like. This book does. The title, Good Night Old Man, comes from a code the telegraphers themselves used. GN (and a call sign) was sent when the telegrapher signed off his station for the night. Morse code is no longer used commercially. Within a few years, the last of the native speakers will have died off. Morse will become a dead language, possibly studied by some hobbyists and academics, who can tease legibility out of a sample, or laboriously create a message in that form, but without anything like the facility achieved by those who had to use it day in and day out. This is a last chance to learn a part of history. copyright, Robert M. Slade 2011 BKGNOM.RVW 2028 I am generally just a lurker to this list, but I do have to take exception to the statement above. There are many amateur (ham) radio operators who are fluent in morse code and several groups dedicated to its preservation. Google 'CW club'...or better yet get an operator's license and get on the air! You can get most anywhere around the world on 5 watts RF with CW while voice requires many times that. --... ...-- -.. . -.- -... . -.. -- . ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] REVIEW: Good Night Old Man, George Campbell
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:02:46 EST, Marc said: air! You can get most anywhere around the world on 5 watts RF with CW while voice requires many times that. Great. You can tune into 154.342 and talk to somebody in Zanzibar on 5 watts. Let's think about that for a moment - it *also* means that between here and Zanzibar, *nobody else* is trying to talk on 154.342. In other words, the set of people trying to talk on Morse is roughly comparable in size to the set of people who still make buggy whips. If you ask around, you can find somebody to teach you how to nap flint into an arrowhead too. Doesn't mean it's not pretty much a dead technology. pgpZQZ8vMfXd7.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] REVIEW: Good Night Old Man, George Campbell
-Original Message- From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 09:17 To: Marc Cc: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] REVIEW: Good Night Old Man, George Campbell On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:02:46 EST, Marc said: Let's think about that for a moment - it *also* means that between here and Zanzibar, *nobody else* is trying to talk on 154.342. In other words, the set of people trying to talk on Morse is roughly comparable in size to the set of people who still make buggy whips. If you ask around, you can find somebody to teach you how to nap flint into an arrowhead too. Doesn't mean it's not pretty much a dead technology. Um...noThere can be many people on the same frequency - this is a frequent (pun intended) occurrence. In fact, there are CW 'nets' where people from around the world participate. It requires other lost arts - those commonly referred to a 'manners'. Also, CW takes little spectrum (band width); one can often sneak in CW where an analog voice signal won't fit without causing interference. In fact, morse code was arguably the first digital communication medium ... ham radio is also directly or indirectly responsible for some technologies in use today..including 802.11...known to hams as 'packet radio' well before Starbucks discovered itbut I digress. Communication technology has gone from digital (morse code) to analog and is now going back to digital in RF communications. A full circle, so I guess the morse code users had it right from the beginning - the technological advance is just a matter of speeding the transmission rate up a bit :-). BTW..You are correct - napping flint for arrow heads is archaic...I nap flint so it fits in the lock of my flint lock rifle That's all for me on this thread...all this typing is much too difficult on this plastic keyboard when compared smooth, comfortable action of my brass code keys... ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] REVIEW: Good Night Old Man, George Campbell
While I sympathize with the hobbyists on the list who do ham radio and speak Morse code, and I am certain there are probably some odd systems around the world who make regular use of it, I unfortunately agree that as a language it is dead. Unlike other dead languages though, with some people here and there who strive to keep dead languages alive - this language has a niche with people who will keep it undead even a thousand years from now. Even if only for tacky entertainment shows and some branches of the military. :) Some might compare ham radio hobbyists to Latin or ancient Greek studies in academia - they would be wrong, but only in quantity. Anyway - I really enjoyed reading this review. You made it alive for me. Gadi. On 12/14/11 2:19 AM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah wrote: BKGNOM.RVW 2028 Good Night Old Man, George Campbell, 2011, 978-9878319-0-3, C$19.95 %A George Campbell georg...@telus.net http://is.gd/x28QRz %C PO Box 57083 RPO Eastgate, Sherwood Park, AB Canada T8A 5L7 %D 2011 %G 978-9878319-0-3 %I Dream Write Publishing dreamwrit...@hotmail.com %O C$19.95 http://www.dreamwritepublishing.ca 780-445-0991 %O http://www.dreamwritepublishing.ca/retail/books/good-night-old-man %O Audience i+ Tech 2 Writing 3 (see revfaq.htm for explanation) %P 342 p. %T Good Night Old Man On page 114 the author asserts that even learning to use Morse code bestowed on us instant acceptance into a society whose members regularly performed tasks too difficult for most others to even attempt. This statement will be instantly recognizable by anyone in any technical field. This is because in the beginning was the telegraph. And the telegraph begat teletype (and baudot code) and the telephone. And telephone company research labs (in large measure) begat computers. And teletype begat the Internet. And wireless telegraphy begat radio. And radio and the telephone and the Internet and computers begat 4G. (Or, at least, it will begat it once they get it right.) But it all started with the telegraph. As the author states, any communications textbook will mention the telegraph. Most will tell you Morse code began on May 24th, 1844. Some might mention that it isn't in use anymore. A few crypto books might let you know that commercial nomenklators were used not just for confidentiality, but to reduce word counts (and thus costs) when sending telegrams. (The odd data representation text might relay the trivium that Morse code is not a binary code of dots and dashes, but a trinary code of dots, dashes, and silence.) But they won't tell you anything about what it was like to be a telegrapher, to actually communicate, and help other people communicate with Morse code. How you got started, what the work was, and what your career might be like. This book does. I am not going to pretend to be objective with this review. George Campbell is my wife's (favourite) uncle. He's always liked telling stories, has a fund of stories to tell, and tells them well. For example, he was the first person in North America to know about the German surrender in Europe, since he was the (Royal Canadian Naval Volunteer Reserve) telegrapher who received the message from Europe and passed it on. Of course, the message was in code. But everyone knew it was coming, and he knew who the message was from, and who it was going to. You can learn a lot with simple traffic analysis. There are lots of good stories in the book. There are lots of funny stories in the book. If you know technology, it is intriguing to see the beginnings of all kinds of things we use today. Standard protocols, flow control, error correction, and data compression. Oh, and script kiddies, too. (Well, I don't know what else you would call people who don't understand what they are working with, but do know that if you follow *this* script, then *that* will happen.) It is fascinating to see all of this being developed in an informal fashion by people who are just trying to get on with their jobs. The title, Good Night Old Man, comes from a code the telegraphers themselves used. GN (and a call sign) was sent when the telegrapher signed off his station for the night. Morse code is no longer used commercially. Within a few years, the last of the native speakers will have died off. Morse will become a dead language, possibly studied by some hobbyists and academics, who can tease legibility out of a sample, or laboriously create a message in that form, but without anything like the facility achieved by those who had to use it day in and day out. This is a last chance to learn a part of history. copyright, Robert M. Slade 2011 BKGNOM.RVW 2028 == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org Ideas won't keep: something must be done about them - Alfred North
Re: [funsec] REVIEW: Good Night Old Man, George Campbell
Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 06:33:15 +0200 From: Gadi Evron g...@linuxbox.org Unlike other dead languages though, with some people here and there who strive to keep dead languages alive - this language has a niche with people who will keep it undead even a thousand years from now. A thousand year old undead language. Somehow that sounds creepy :-) Morse code will last for a thousand years! (Oh, shoot. That invokes Godwin's Law and terminates the discussion :-) Anyway - I really enjoyed reading this review. You made it alive for me. Thanks much for those kind words. The book is even better :-) == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. - Winston Churchill victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
[funsec] REVIEW: Good Night Old Man, George Campbell
BKGNOM.RVW 2028 Good Night Old Man, George Campbell, 2011, 978-9878319-0-3, C$19.95 %A George Campbell georg...@telus.net http://is.gd/x28QRz %C PO Box 57083 RPO Eastgate, Sherwood Park, AB Canada T8A 5L7 %D 2011 %G 978-9878319-0-3 %I Dream Write Publishing dreamwrit...@hotmail.com %O C$19.95 http://www.dreamwritepublishing.ca 780-445-0991 %O http://www.dreamwritepublishing.ca/retail/books/good-night-old-man %O Audience i+ Tech 2 Writing 3 (see revfaq.htm for explanation) %P 342 p. %T Good Night Old Man On page 114 the author asserts that even learning to use Morse code bestowed on us instant acceptance into a society whose members regularly performed tasks too difficult for most others to even attempt. This statement will be instantly recognizable by anyone in any technical field. This is because in the beginning was the telegraph. And the telegraph begat teletype (and baudot code) and the telephone. And telephone company research labs (in large measure) begat computers. And teletype begat the Internet. And wireless telegraphy begat radio. And radio and the telephone and the Internet and computers begat 4G. (Or, at least, it will begat it once they get it right.) But it all started with the telegraph. As the author states, any communications textbook will mention the telegraph. Most will tell you Morse code began on May 24th, 1844. Some might mention that it isn't in use anymore. A few crypto books might let you know that commercial nomenklators were used not just for confidentiality, but to reduce word counts (and thus costs) when sending telegrams. (The odd data representation text might relay the trivium that Morse code is not a binary code of dots and dashes, but a trinary code of dots, dashes, and silence.) But they won't tell you anything about what it was like to be a telegrapher, to actually communicate, and help other people communicate with Morse code. How you got started, what the work was, and what your career might be like. This book does. I am not going to pretend to be objective with this review. George Campbell is my wife's (favourite) uncle. He's always liked telling stories, has a fund of stories to tell, and tells them well. For example, he was the first person in North America to know about the German surrender in Europe, since he was the (Royal Canadian Naval Volunteer Reserve) telegrapher who received the message from Europe and passed it on. Of course, the message was in code. But everyone knew it was coming, and he knew who the message was from, and who it was going to. You can learn a lot with simple traffic analysis. There are lots of good stories in the book. There are lots of funny stories in the book. If you know technology, it is intriguing to see the beginnings of all kinds of things we use today. Standard protocols, flow control, error correction, and data compression. Oh, and script kiddies, too. (Well, I don't know what else you would call people who don't understand what they are working with, but do know that if you follow *this* script, then *that* will happen.) It is fascinating to see all of this being developed in an informal fashion by people who are just trying to get on with their jobs. The title, Good Night Old Man, comes from a code the telegraphers themselves used. GN (and a call sign) was sent when the telegrapher signed off his station for the night. Morse code is no longer used commercially. Within a few years, the last of the native speakers will have died off. Morse will become a dead language, possibly studied by some hobbyists and academics, who can tease legibility out of a sample, or laboriously create a message in that form, but without anything like the facility achieved by those who had to use it day in and day out. This is a last chance to learn a part of history. copyright, Robert M. Slade 2011 BKGNOM.RVW 2028 == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org Ideas won't keep: something must be done about them - Alfred North Whitehead victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] REVIEW: Good Night Old Man, George Campbell
On 12/13/11 6:19 PM, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon Hannah wrote: Some might mention that it isn't in use anymore. Actually, it is. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
