Re: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted
Date sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:10:14 -0800 From: Steve Pirk > Maybe a dozen total when I was knee high to an ant, but they were "uncool" > by junior high. Most of us figured out how unhealthy they were by '76 :-) They are featured in the movie "The Iron Giant," which is set in the fifties. The kid eating them is "augmenting" the filling with one of those spray cans of whipped "topping" :-) == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org Men listened to me expectantly, waiting in silence for my counsel. After I had spoken, they spoke no more - Job 29:21,22a victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted
On 11/19/12 19:28 -0800, Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah wrote:
Date sent: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:10:14 -0800
From: Steve Pirk
Maybe a dozen total when I was knee high to an ant, but they were "uncool"
by junior high. Most of us figured out how unhealthy they were by '76 :-)
They are featured in the movie "The Iron Giant," which is set in the fifties.
The
kid eating them is "augmenting" the filling with one of those spray cans of
whipped "topping" :-)
This discussion jogged an old memory. I recall in the 3rd or 4th ('83 or
'84) grade we would get a trip down to the computer lab once a week to get
some hands on time with the computers (TRS-80s). The two things that stand
out in my mind is playing a Whale typing game, where you had to learn to
type faster before getting swallowed, and the other was an adventure game
where you ate a Twinkie. The name of that game has longed escaped by memory
however.
--
Dan White
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Re: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted
You know what, I kinda want Hostess to completely go out of business just so they can say a big F.U. to the union and the arrogance that they have Little Debbie can buy the Twinkie and Ho-Ho's and Funny Bonez rights and produce them at half the price because they're a non-union shop! Michael P. Blanchard Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Office of Information Security & Risk Management EMC ² Corporation 32 Coslin Drive Southboro, MA 01772 -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 6:16 PM To: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted Apparently, Hostess and the union have agreed to mediation, so the end of the world is not yet. (Honestly, when was the last time you ate a Twinkie? Come to think of it, I don't believe I ever *have* eaten a Twinkie ...) == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org You are going to have a spiritual experience. It's called `Death' - Preston Manning at Regent College, 20120125 victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted
Not sure exactly how much of the fault can be placed on the union here. Union also previously accepted pay cuts and benefit cuts at the same time that upper management salaries rose exponentially - I can see why they'd be willing to play chicken when the last time the "we're going to go out of business if we don't cut pay" card was played the CEO got a huge raise. Management also looted profits while building up debt. http://www.salon.com/2012/11/20/vulture_capitalism_not_unions_killed_twinkies/ On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec) < michael.blanch...@emc.com> wrote: > You know what, I kinda want Hostess to completely go out of business > just so they can say a big F.U. to the union and the arrogance that they > have > > Little Debbie can buy the Twinkie and Ho-Ho's and Funny Bonez rights and > produce them at half the price because they're a non-union shop! > > Michael P. Blanchard > Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE > Office of Information Security & Risk Management > EMC ² Corporation > 32 Coslin Drive > Southboro, MA 01772 > > > -Original Message- > From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On > Behalf Of Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 6:16 PM > To: funsec@linuxbox.org > Subject: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted > > Apparently, Hostess and the union have agreed to mediation, so the end of > the > world is not yet. > > (Honestly, when was the last time you ate a Twinkie? Come to think of it, > I don't > believe I ever *have* eaten a Twinkie ...) > > == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) > rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org > You are going to have a spiritual experience. It's called `Death' >- Preston Manning at Regent College, 20120125 > victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links > http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ > http://twitter.com/rslade > ___ > Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. > https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec > Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. > > ___ > Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. > https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec > Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. > ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted
You see though… I don’t care how big of a raise the CEO got, as that contributes to the high cost of Hostess as well…. but the UNION demanded pay contracts contribute more to the final price of the items…. Both those items will cause a company to go bankrupt, as Hostess has done… the final straw that caused them to close the doors was the Union wanting to go on strike, even though the owners said “go on strike and we’ll shut the place down and lock the doors”…. They even gave them 2 days of strike I believe before drawing a line in the sand “ 5pm today if you’re still on strike we shut down for good”…. The arrogance of the union cause the demise of Hostess… ALL unions are the same, they are no longer needed and should be removed completely…. Let free enterprise dictate survival…. Little Debbie is a perfect example… no unions, better management solutions… lower costs to the end consumer…. THEY’RE still in business and Hostess with BIG unions, and fairly poor management caused them to go bankrupt…. You know what else, I’d flip my middle finger to any government official that mandates that I arbitrate with anyone to keep my company open…. It’s MY company, Fuck the government telling me that I have to negotiate with anyone… I set my rules in MY company, if people don’t like it tough shit, they can work somewhere else…. If I want to shut down MY company the government (national or local) has no right to mandate I keep my doors open… Contracts with the workers are a different story, if I had one with them, I’d invoke the buy out clause in their contract and then close my doors….. Other than that I have no opinion on the subject ☺ Michael P. Blanchard Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Office of Information Security & Risk Management EMC ² Corporation 32 Coslin Drive Southboro, MA 01772 From: Stephanie Daugherty [mailto:sdaughe...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:48 AM To: Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec) Cc: rmsl...@shaw.ca; funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted Not sure exactly how much of the fault can be placed on the union here. Union also previously accepted pay cuts and benefit cuts at the same time that upper management salaries rose exponentially - I can see why they'd be willing to play chicken when the last time the "we're going to go out of business if we don't cut pay" card was played the CEO got a huge raise. Management also looted profits while building up debt. http://www.salon.com/2012/11/20/vulture_capitalism_not_unions_killed_twinkies/ On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec) mailto:michael.blanch...@emc.com>> wrote: You know what, I kinda want Hostess to completely go out of business just so they can say a big F.U. to the union and the arrogance that they have Little Debbie can buy the Twinkie and Ho-Ho's and Funny Bonez rights and produce them at half the price because they're a non-union shop! Michael P. Blanchard Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Office of Information Security & Risk Management EMC ² Corporation 32 Coslin Drive Southboro, MA 01772 -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org<mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org> [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org<mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org>] On Behalf Of Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 6:16 PM To: funsec@linuxbox.org<mailto:funsec@linuxbox.org> Subject: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted Apparently, Hostess and the union have agreed to mediation, so the end of the world is not yet. (Honestly, when was the last time you ate a Twinkie? Come to think of it, I don't believe I ever *have* eaten a Twinkie ...) == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca<mailto:rsl...@vcn.bc.ca> sl...@victoria.tc.ca<mailto:sl...@victoria.tc.ca> rsl...@computercrime.org<mailto:rsl...@computercrime.org> You are going to have a spiritual experience. It's called `Death' - Preston Manning at Regent College, 20120125 victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm<http://victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm> http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 16:03:51 +, "Blanchard, Michael (InfoSec)" said: > Little Debbie is a perfect example⦠no unions, better management > solutions⦠You *do* realize that at many companies, the *threat* of unionizing is sufficient to make the companies play nice? Or are you one of those that think it would be Perfectly OK if we went back to the sort of abuses that caused unions to get powerful, and which we decry when we see them at non-union shops at Foxconn or Nike? pgpyetSywkNyx.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted
Date sent: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:47:37 -0500 From: Stephanie Daugherty > Not sure exactly how much of the fault can be placed on the union here. > Union also previously accepted pay cuts and benefit cuts at the same time > that upper management salaries rose exponentially It's also possible that they may still go out of business. At the same time that management agreed to arbitration they also petitioned the court to allow them to a) lay off 18,500 workers, and b) pay out bonuses to management. == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org CISSP study bks http://is.gd/uAJdeI trms http://is.gd/RkbJoX URLs http://is.gd/2dqWeD noted http://is.gd/FMwem5 blg http://is.gd/h2Sa99- CISSP references tweet victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted
I have an alternate solution, which I think would be quite effective. Unfortunately, sadly, tragically, it's not legal. Pity. However: Given that they were trying to hand out executive bonuses while simultaneously laying off workers, I would suggest decapitating the corporate officers and permanently mounting their heads on iron posts outside corporate HQ as a subtle reminder to their successors. I realize that this would incur a one-time expense -- and I have no idea what the current market rates are for quality executioners, although iron posts are quite cheap -- but on the other hand, the resulting decrease in compensation (inluding bonuses) should be far more than adequate to cover it. Now I realize that this is lenient, perhaps excessively so. But in an effort to promote a kinder, gentler society I think we can afford the luxury of extending mercy to them far greater than they have ever demonstrated. ---rsk ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted
Twinkipocalypse back on: https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/271040602651635713 == (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rsl...@vcn.bc.ca sl...@victoria.tc.ca rsl...@computercrime.org The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.- Bertrand Russell victoria.tc.ca/techrev/rms.htm http://www.infosecbc.org/links http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/author/p1/ http://twitter.com/rslade ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
Re: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted
Why don't we decapitate the Union organizer's heads, and stick their heads on a pick with a sign under saying "Head of the last Union Steward... this is now a non union shop to keep costs down" :-) Michael P. Blanchard Senior Security Engineer, CISSP, GCIH, CCSA-NGX, MCSE Office of Information Security & Risk Management EMC ² Corporation 32 Coslin Drive Southboro, MA 01772 -Original Message- From: funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org [mailto:funsec-boun...@linuxbox.org] On Behalf Of Rich Kulawiec Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:45 PM To: funsec@linuxbox.org Subject: Re: [funsec] Twinkipocalypse averted I have an alternate solution, which I think would be quite effective. Unfortunately, sadly, tragically, it's not legal. Pity. However: Given that they were trying to hand out executive bonuses while simultaneously laying off workers, I would suggest decapitating the corporate officers and permanently mounting their heads on iron posts outside corporate HQ as a subtle reminder to their successors. I realize that this would incur a one-time expense -- and I have no idea what the current market rates are for quality executioners, although iron posts are quite cheap -- but on the other hand, the resulting decrease in compensation (inluding bonuses) should be far more than adequate to cover it. Now I realize that this is lenient, perhaps excessively so. But in an effort to promote a kinder, gentler society I think we can afford the luxury of extending mercy to them far greater than they have ever demonstrated. ---rsk ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list. ___ Fun and Misc security discussion for OT posts. https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec Note: funsec is a public and open mailing list.
