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From: Thomas Lunde [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Future Work [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: September 6, 1998 6:00 PM
Subject: Apoligies to Mark Measday
Dear Mark:
Before you flame me, let me apoligise, as I read this posting, the comment
"you'll have the answer you stupid jerk." was meant to indicate the person,
ie the Zen master asking the stupid question - not you. A case of being a
little to much in a hurry at that particular moment.
Respectfully,
Thomas Lunde
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From: Thomas Lunde [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Future Work [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: September 6, 1998 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: The X Files ("deus ex machina" excuses) Off topic
Dear Mark:
Often there are posting I would like to reply to so I don't put them in a
file folder and forget them. This one of yours was one of them and it has
stood the test of time.
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From: Mark Measday [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: August 31, 1998 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: The X Files ("deus ex machina" excuses) Off topic
Er, chief, this is beyond me, are you the zen master? Who is the zen
master? I'm not a zen master, just a bad case of sinusitis and
consequently not expressing myself well. Whose arms are you going to cut
off and why do you want to do it?
Thomas:
I thought Brad's answer was pretty concise, the person asking a stupid
question should have a real life experience. You want to know what the
sound of "one hand clapping is" simple, whack off the arm, and you'll have
the answer you stupid jerk.
Alternatively, and more practically,
organize a real conference or debate simulating the futurework list
where the evas', jays', rays' etc can be made material. If people pay to
come, all the better.
Thomas:
One of the joys of electronic debating is the ability to reflect before you
answer. I'm not sure how we would come out in speech. The idea that we
should make some money off the things we do for fun strikes me as a great
example of turning your hobby into a business and then your business ruins
your hobby, I think I'll stay with my hobby.
Or set up a revolutionary cell teaching
non-exploitative transactional conversational exchange values, so people
can talk again without fear of having their pockets picked. Don't really
see the advantages of amputation or learning to say no in Russian
though. Please explain the depth and complexity of your thought.
It's called having a viewpoint or perhaps a personal philosophy - one we
have actually arrived by ourselves, then being vulnurable enough to expose
that viewpoint to the critiques - or rarely praises of others. What gets
you in crap on this list is playing the conventional party record. We
can't
and won't ( I have no right to speak for others here) force anyone to have
a
personal viewpoint, however we will gleefully challenge anothers viewpoint,
call it philosophical ping pong, no one gets hurt, everyone gets a little
exercise and we leave the game at the table.
Kind regards,
Mark Measday
Brad McCormick, Ed.D. wrote:
Mark Measday wrote:
Yep, if that makes any sense, though I don't know about the zen bit.
So
can we expect a golden socialist future of mutual understanding
based on
some scientific knowledge tempered with wisdom? Or the same old
dialectic between opposite understandings?
MM
Thomas Lunde wrote:
In a world of pure self-interest, can there be any paradigms of
communication?
Thomas: This question sounds like one of those zen koans where
you
feel
there should be an obvious answer and every time you put one
forth,
the
master answers "nyet".
[snip]
I've been thinking about these Zen masters lately, in
part based on thinking about how they exploit their students
as cheap labor. And I had an idea for an answer to
that famous Koan:
What is the sound of one hand clapping?
The student should simply amputate one of the master's
hands, so that the master could learn.
\brad mccormick
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