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2000-04-05 Thread msf



The latest issue of Socialist Future is now online. 

The contents can be viewed at:
www.sfuture.demon.co.uk/magcont.htm

An analysis of Ken Livingstone's decision to stand as an 
independent in the election for London Mayor can be read at
www.sfuture.demon.co.uk/febmar00/ken1.htm

A review of Francis Wheen's book on Karl Marx is 
at
www.sfuture.demon.co.uk/febmar00/marx.htm

An article on the relationship of images to objective reality 
and truth is at
www.sfuture.demon.co.uk/febmar00/images.htm


The magazine is published by the Movement for a Socialist 
Future www.sfuture.demon.co.uk



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2000-01-22 Thread Giovanni Alves



Dear Sir

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1999-12-08 Thread Tim Rourke

It is time this whole putrid 'string' about whether jews are capitalists
dissapeared. It should never have gottern started.  If it does not I am
going to contact the Jewish anti-defamation league. Blech.

Tim R.







Come on Ed,

Jews = Capitalists?  I am well able to
differentiate between "capital" and  "capitalism".
It does not sound as if you can.  It is not
capital that causes people to suffer.  But
capitalism does punish people and tells them they
should like it.  And capitalists do profit from
that suffering.  Some capitalists I know are
"good" people but they still do bad things to
other people  -- it's what capitalists do.  Do you
support the bad that they do?  Do you support the
McD owner because (s)he does not give his/her
employees health care?  Because he/she does not
pay a living wage? Because (s)he tries to sell us
us crap and calls it food?  Because (s)he sells us
beef filled with hormones?  I could go on.  This
is "good" behavior?  These are good choices?  I
don't think so!

Bruce Leier
- Original Message -
From: "Ed Weick" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Ed
Goertzen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: torn: Reply to Ed Wieck


 Ed,

 The posting you comment on seems to have been
misunderstood by a lot of
 people.  It was intended as irony and as a
demonstration of how laying the
 blame for a wide range of woes and human
failings on a single group or class
 can lead to absurd and dangerous conclusions.
My point is that the world
 was in a sorry state long before there was an
identifiable capitalist class.
 My reference to the Jews was intended to
illustrate that, if you can trump
 up enough charges and make them sound credible,
you can get away with just
 about anything.  Historically, many charges were
trumped up against the
 Jews.  In ancient times, they killed Christ.  In
medieval times they
 desecrated the host and participated in blood
libels, and worst of all,
 poisoned wells and thereby brought on the
plague.  The 19th century
 witnessed things like the Dreyfuss affair, and
in the 20th we had the
 trumped up Protocols of Zion.  The fact that
some Jews, including Trotsky
 and some other leading Bolsheviks, were
communists did not help them either.
 As Goldhagen demonstrates, convincingly in my
opinion, so many nefarious
 labels had been pinned on the Jews by the 1930s
that they became easy
 victims.  Translate that into some of the things
posted on the internet
 recently and you could have a crusade against
anyone you label a capitalist,
 including the guy who operates a Macdonalds or
Starbucks franchise in
 Seattle.  I'm not saying that the Seattle
protests were such a crusade, but
 some of the so-called protesters could easily
have become one.

 So, to summarize, my quarrel is not with Jews or
capitalists or any other
 group, but with pinning labels on people and
unjustifiably blaming them for
 things they may not have had much to do with.
Crusaders did not kill Jews
 and other infidels because the crusaders were
capitalists.  They killed them
 because within medieval society they had been
conditioned to do so.  It
 assured them of a path to heaven.  Right now,
Russians are not killing
 Chechyns because of capital.  They are doing so
out of animosity going way
 back into czarist times, because they're afraid
that if the Chechyns go,
 much of the Caucuses could follow and perhaps
also because they want to
 demonstrate to the world that they are still a
military power (a very sorry
 way of doing it!!).  To justify what they are
doing they've pinned a
 convenient label on the Chechyns, that of
"terrorists".

 Hope this clarifies what I was trying to say.

 Ed Weick









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1999-10-24 Thread Thomas Lunde

Some thoughts on Aberattions

I was trying to explain the other day, to my 9 year old daughter about
wages, value, work and welfare.  Quite a challenge.  I found coming out of
my mouth some interesting thoughts.

Has it every occured that when you are on welfare, their seems to be a
principle in which if you are single, you recieve one amount of money -
while if you have dependants, you recieve more money.

But, once you move into the waged economy, your income is based on the job,
not on the number of dependants you have.  Which creates and interesting
anomaly.  Take a job - truck driver - value of job $15 per hour.  Now, if a
single man does this job, he is allowed to keep the whole $15 for himself
and spend it however he chooses.  We accept that idea without a question -
right.  Now, what if his co-worker has 3 children and a wife and one of his
children requires additional costs, let's say drugs.  The system is set up
so that he recieves the same $15, but is expected to spread that around to
cover 5 dependants.  Why would we chose to make the job the deciding factor
rather than a persons needs in regards to dependants.  Especially when in
other areas of income, we have accepted the thought that those with more
dependants require more money, such as welfare?

Well, it is the difference between two ways of thought - isn't it.  One is
the thought of socialism and the other is the thought of capitialism.  Take
for a point of interest housing.  We often see two middle aged people living
in suburban splendor - 20,000 sq ft of tastefully decorated, heated and
convienced comfort while we look at people raising kids who find themselves
in limited space, restricted furniture, living one on top of the other.  How
do we rationalize that?  Well, we do it through the capitalistic model,
which says as you gain experience, get older and have more responsibility in
the work world, you get paid more - in other words, by the job.  Perhaps in
a socialistic society, the family of children would be alloted the big house
on the basis of their needs and as the children grew, the living quarters
might be reduced as the needs grow less.

Now, if you were put in the position of a new world and you became the
economic god.  How would you decide.  The job is the determiner of wealth
and use of resources - or the needs of people become the determinant of
wealth and use resources?  Might not a very rational and humane system be
devised based on needs rather than qualifications?  What would be the
downside - well perhaps, some would say that all those lazy people who don't
want to work, would just have a lot of children.  Ha, anyone who thinks that
has never had to deal with children 24 hours a day.  A job is infinitely
easier than being around 2 or 3 young children for ten years or so.  On the
other hand, one could argue that perhaps many of the problems of society
would be eliminated if there was no poverty in families and children had
adequate family resources, parents who might be able to spend more time in
the family and that over time, many of the costs of the capitalistic society
would just not be incurred.

Of course, ruiminations like this come down to the hard fact, that those who
benefit from the current situation, also hold the bureaucratic power,
academic power, financial power and when in government the political power.
Now the argument might be made that if this was truly wanted, then there
would be a political movement towards this.  But most who hold jobs, who
have been brought up in the capitalistic way of thinking, cannot and will
not engage in a discussions of this manner, nor provide the money or the
structure which would allow an honest polling of the populace through a
vote.  Rather, the media, the academics, the rich, derail such thoughts and
aspirations by sheer neglect - they won't talk about it, promote it, argue
it or in any manner do anything but avoid it and riducule it.  And so the
world goes on, following a particular philosophy - without debate or
experiment into other ideas.

After I had went through this with my 9 year old, she sat quietly for awhile
and finally said, "I understand what you mean Dad and it sounds really good.
How come people don't pay you to talk about this?

To which I could only reply - they don't want to hear.

Respectfully,

Thomas Lunde
--



Re: no subject (and Everyman...)

1999-10-24 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.

Thomas Lunde wrote:
 
 Some thoughts on Aberattions
 
 I was trying to explain the other day, to my 9 year old daughter about
 wages, value, work and welfare.  Quite a challenge.  I found coming out of
 my mouth some interesting thoughts.
 
 Has it every occured that when you are on welfare, their seems to be a
 principle in which if you are single, you recieve one amount of money -
 while if you have dependants, you recieve more money.
 
 But, once you move into the waged economy, your income is based on the job,
 not on the number of dependants you have.  Which creates and interesting
 anomaly.

Yes, doesn't it: Capitalism's "maw" needs ever new input of 
new workers to replace those who exit the system for whatever reason
(death, retirement, etc.).  But, like so many other "commons",
it doesn't pay for it, or at least it doesn't pay for it altogether.

My proposal: (1) Pay children to go to school, i.e., to become
usable labor power.  But where will the money to do this
come from?  Obviously, by lessening the income of workers, via
increased corporate taxes.  The way it works now is inequitable
(I know -- there can't be much equity anywhere in a capitalist
system, but we're engaging in a process-of-thinking here...):
Let's take the paradigmatic Ozzie and Harriett family as our
example: Father earns all the money and thus exerts a coercive
force over mother and the kids, who each do work for which *he*
gets paid.  Mother does unpaid housework and childrearing.  The
kids do unpaid schoolwork.  Parents would start to shape up if
kids could go buy their childrearing from competitive bidders!

   Take a job - truck driver - value of job $15 per hour.  Now, if a
 single man does this job, he is allowed to keep the whole $15 for himself
 and spend it however he chooses.  We accept that idea without a question -
 right.  Now, what if his co-worker has 3 children and a wife and one of his
 children requires additional costs, let's say drugs. 

(Prescription or the other kind?)

 The system is set up
 so that he recieves the same $15, but is expected to spread that around to
 cover 5 dependants.  Why would we chose to make the job the deciding factor
 rather than a persons needs in regards to dependants.  

Oops, I think your logic is not so good here: The job may be the
deciding factor, but the decision may be between (1) not enough income
to
support the family, and (2) even less income.

 Especially when in
 other areas of income, we have accepted the thought that those with more
 dependants require more money, such as welfare?
 
 Well, it is the difference between two ways of thought - isn't it.  One is
 the thought of socialism and the other is the thought of capitialism.  Take
 for a point of interest housing.  We often see two middle aged people living
 in suburban splendor - 20,000 sq ft of tastefully decorated, heated and
 convienced comfort while we look at people raising kids who find themselves
 in limited space, restricted furniture, living one on top of the other.  How
 do we rationalize that?  Well, we do it through the capitalistic model,
 which says as you gain experience, get older and have more responsibility in
 the work world, you get paid more
[snip]

My proposal for a more economically rational distribution of
costs / income would help a bit here

And don't forget the idea put forth by some "anarchists" at the
beginning
of this now worn down century: That working / poor people should stop
having
children, to force the problems of labor back "up" the capitalist
power hierarchy.   As all the poor / working people died off, the
rich would have to decide whether to send their own
children into the mines or figure out some other way to
live without anybody going down in the mines.
 
[snip]
 Of course, ruiminations like this come down to the hard fact, that those who
 benefit from the current situation, also hold the bureaucratic power,
 academic power, financial power and when in government the political power.
 Now the argument might be made that if this was truly wanted, then there
 would be a political movement towards this.  But most who hold jobs, who
 have been brought up in the capitalistic way of thinking, cannot and will
 not engage in a discussions of this manner, nor provide the money or the
 structure which would allow an honest polling of the populace through a
 vote.  Rather, the media, the academics, the rich, derail such thoughts and
 aspirations by sheer neglect - they won't talk about it, promote it, argue
 it or in any manner do anything but avoid it and riducule it.  And so the
 world goes on, following a particular philosophy - without debate or
 experiment into other ideas.

It's far more pleasant to deceive oneself than to actually *lie* and
have to accept the fact that one is a *liar*.  And being paid well to
promulgate the self-deceptions (well -- I'm calling them
self-deceptions,
whereas to the person so "self-deceived", they're "obvious" -- see 
Edward Hall's 

Re: no subject

1999-10-24 Thread Victor Milne


Thomas Lunde wrote:

 Well, it is the difference between two ways of thought - isn't it.  One is
 the thought of socialism and the other is the thought of capitialism.
Take
 for a point of interest housing.  We often see two middle aged people
living
 in suburban splendor - 20,000 sq ft of tastefully decorated, heated and
 convienced comfort while we look at people raising kids who find
themselves
 in limited space, restricted furniture, living one on top of the other.
How
 do we rationalize that?  Well, we do it through the capitalistic model,
 which says as you gain experience, get older and have more responsibility
in
 the work world, you get paid more - in other words, by the job.  Perhaps
in
 a socialistic society, the family of children would be alloted the big
house
 on the basis of their needs and as the children grew, the living quarters
 might be reduced as the needs grow less.

Right on, Thomas. I have often reflected on this irony. The parents of my
best friend lived in a tiny two-bedroom house with two big
football-player-sized sons. After the boys were finished their education--a
long time as my friend got a Ph.D. in chemistry and his brother became an
obstetrician--the parents were able to buy a huge house on a quarter-acre
lot. They were in their mid-fifties then. Only about two years later the
mother began to manifest signs of Parkinson's disease, and soon after her
husband had to change to a much smaller house, as he couldn't keep up with
the house work and look after his wife.

Victor Milne



Re: Fw: Subject: online articles

1999-06-21 Thread Anonymous

you look for article on globalism and information?
Why not visit:
A HUMANE Information Society or Information War?
Reflections about Societies, Cultures, Human Potentials and Tools
such as: Filters, Brokers, Agents, Knowbots, and Maps
http://www.ceptualinstitute.com/genre/benking/humane-info.htm

or:
Embodying Situations  Issues, Sharing Contexts, and Encouraging Dialogue
it is about local and global compassion - how to get there..
http://www.ceptualinstitute.com/genre/benking/ifsr/IFSRnov98pp.htm
and that we are in the wrong film as we use "flat" or dangerous metaphors, 
picture which makle us afraid and stop us from searching meaning and 
overview/context.

as it has mcuh to do with library scientes "concept adn context mapping!" 
you may definitely dig deeper:
http://www.ceptualinstitute.com/genre/benking/term/terminology.htm
TKE '96 Terminology and Knowledge Engineering

 Vienna  26-28 August 1996
 Section 1: Terminology and Philosophy of Science
 CONCEPT AND CONTEXT MAPPING -
 TOWARDS COMMON FRAMES OF REFERENCE

by4now

heiner


From: "Jan Matthieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "mcluhan-l" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Fw: Subject: online articles
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:30:02 +0200

--- Forwarded Message
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:29:29 -0600
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Hope Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: online articles

Dear colleagues,

I am seeking assistance in finding full-text articles on the web for a
course I will be teaching this September. The course is Feminism and
Library and Information Studies and will be taught over the internet using
web resources and a listserv (the web page for an earlier version of the
course is at http://www.ualberta.ca/~holson/589/outline.htm in case anyone
wants to take a look). For readings my preference is to use as many
web-based texts as possible since not all of the students will be
physically located at my institution.

Therefore, I am looking for good articles available on the web in the
following areas (or related ones):

 feminist theory -- all kinds; I like the class to have a range of
background at least collectively
 also queer theory, postcolonialism, etc.
 ethic of care
 essentialism
 diversity -- interpreted generously
 canonicity
 female-intensive professions
 women working in organizations (e.g. hierarchical institutions 
like most
libraries)
 librarianship as a female-intensive profession
 feminist perspectives on:
 collection management
 organization of information
 public service
 any other library/information service functions
 information as a commodity, including intellectual 
property
 intellectual freedom (pornography issues only in 
moderation or it
consumes the discussion)
 globalization of information
 information technology

If you know of good quality readings on any of these topics that are
available via the web I would appreciate very much hearing about them.

Please answer me directly at:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I will produce a list of assigned and optional readings for the course
which I will post on the web page. I'll notify the listserv when it is 
ready.

Additionally, anyone interested in taking the course for credit or audit
can get in touch with me directly. It is a regular 3-credit course in an
MLIS program accredited by the American Library Association's Committee on
Accreditation so it is likely to be transferrable to programs at other
library schools. It will be offered in the fall semester 1999 and is
planned to be offered annually.


Hope


Hope A. Olson, PhD
Associate Professor and Graduate Coordinator
School of Library  Information Studies
3-20 Rutherford South
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
T6G 2J4

e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ualberta.ca/~holson/
phone: 780/492-2814
fax: 780/492-2430

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1999-06-20 Thread Thomas Lunde




Fw: Subject: online articles

1999-06-11 Thread Anonymous




--- Forwarded MessageDate: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 15:29:29 -0600To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]From: 
Hope Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
online articlesDear colleagues,I am seeking assistance in 
finding full-text articles on the web for acourse I will be teaching this 
September. The course is Feminism andLibrary and Information Studies and 
will be taught over the internet usingweb resources and a listserv (the web 
page for an earlier version of thecourse is at http://www.ualberta.ca/~holson/589/outline.htm 
in case anyonewants to take a look). For readings my preference is to use as 
manyweb-based texts as possible since not all of the students will 
bephysically located at my institution.Therefore, I am looking for 
good articles available on the web in thefollowing areas (or related 
ones): feminist theory -- all 
kinds; I like the class to have a range ofbackground at least 
collectively 
also queer theory, postcolonialism, 
etc. ethic of 
care 
essentialism diversity -- 
interpreted generously 
canonicity female-intensive 
professions women working in 
organizations (e.g. hierarchical institutions like 
mostlibraries) librarianship 
as a female-intensive profession 
feminist perspectives 
on: 
collection 
management 
organization of 
information 
public 
service 
any other library/information service 
functions 
information as a commodity, including intellectual 
property 
intellectual freedom (pornography issues only in moderation or itconsumes 
the 
discussion) 
globalization of 
information 
information technologyIf you know of good quality readings on any of 
these topics that areavailable via the web I would appreciate very much 
hearing about them.Please answer me directly 
at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]I will 
produce a list of assigned and optional readings for the coursewhich I will 
post on the web page. I'll notify the listserv when it is 
ready.Additionally, anyone interested in taking the course for credit or 
auditcan get in touch with me directly. It is a regular 3-credit course in 
anMLIS program accredited by the American Library Association's Committee 
onAccreditation so it is likely to be transferrable to programs at 
otherlibrary schools. It will be offered in the fall semester 1999 and 
isplanned to be offered annually.HopeHope A. Olson, 
PhDAssociate Professor and Graduate CoordinatorSchool of Library  
Information Studies3-20 Rutherford SouthUniversity of 
AlbertaEdmonton, Alberta, CanadaT6G 2J4e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.ualberta.ca/~holson/phone: 
780/492-2814fax: 780/492-2430--- End of Forwarded 
Message


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1999-06-10 Thread CON.PRO-LDA




Minister threatens independent 
media 
International Freedom Of Expression 
Exchange (Toronto) June 8, 1999 
Toronto - The following 
document was released by Reporters sans frontieres (RSF), Paris: RSF is 
condemning threats against independent media by Information Minister Pedro 
Hendrik Vaal Neto during a 1 June 1999 press conference. 
He notably stated that his government was contemplating "resorting to 
violence" against independent media which do not support the government in its 
war against UNITA (National Union for the Total Independence of Angola), while 
accusing certain media of being "the fifth column of Jonas Savimbi's rebel 
movement." He added that he may ban certain publications. 
These statements, which RSF considers to be of particular concern, follow a 
series of attacks against Angolan and foreign journalists. 
On 5 May, Joaquim Alves, a journalist with the weekly "Actual Fax", was 
assaulted close to his residence in a Luanda suburb by three armed individuals, 
including one who was wearing an Angolan army uniform. The journalist was 
beaten. His attackers accused him of having written an article, published in 
April, in which a businessman, Mr. Kamakongo, was referred to as a "Savimbist". 
On 13 May, Lara Pawson, a correspondent with the Reuters press agency and 
British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) Radio, was attacked by several men while 
leaving a restaurant in Luanda. One of the men held her face and threatened her 
with repercussions if her reports became more critical of the government, 
reminding her that "Angola belongs to Eduardo Dos Santos." 
On 14 May, two men who introduced themselves as members of the special 
security forces searched the residence of Herculano Coroado Bumba, a 
correspondent with Portuguese Radio TSF. The two men, who did not have a 
warrant, explained that they were searching for arms. This incident occured at a 
time when the journalist had been receiving regular telephone threats in 
connection with his reports. 
RECOMMENDED ACTION: 
Send appeals to the information minister: - protesting his threats against 
independent media, which are simply exercising their right to inform - recalling 
that Angola has ratified the International Covenant on Civil and Political 
Rights, which guarantees the right to inform and to be informed - urging him to 
see to it that physical and verbal threats against journalists cease and that 
those responsible for attacks against Coroado Bumba, Pawson and Alves be 
identified and punished - recalling the case of William Tonet, editor-in-chief 
of the independent newspaper "Folha 8", prosecuted for "slander, insulting the 
army, libel, incitement to subversion and desertion", after publishing a series 
of articles concerning the Angolan army's mobilisation order (see IFEX alert of 
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Please copy appeals to the source if possible. 
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1999-05-18 Thread Thomas Lunde
Title: no subject



Good points Ed and I stand corrected. I have just being reading Chossodovsky's second posting on Albania which has brought to the forefront of memory just how different the real world is from CNN and CBC with their so called in-depth coverage.

Respectfully,

Thomas Lunde

--
From: Ed Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Thomas Lunde [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Destruction of Albania (Part I)
Date: Fri, May 14, 1999, 6:08 PM


Hi Thomas,

Nice to know you are alive. I don't see how my comments are irrelevant today. Ireland is part of Europe, and continues to be in a state of war or rebellion or whatever. Russia is part of Europe, and is a powder keg when it comes to inter-ethnic relations. When I was there four years ago, the Chechyn war got all the publicity, but there were others going on at the same time. The Balkans are part of Europe, and you know what is going on there. 

There are strong right-wing, meaning fascist movements in France and Germany. Just because the latter has behaved like a model democracy for the past few decades does not mean that the old Prussian model of superiority couldn't emerge again. German skinheads are causing all kinds of problems for non-German immigrants -- they can no longer go after the Jews because most of them have cleared out to Israel, but they are ever alert for new victims.

Europeans have been notorious for getting along when times are good, but let them turn bad and all of the old hatreds emerge. Those hatreds are still there, latent for the moment, but by no means dead.

What got me about Reuss's comments was their sheer smugness. The Swiss have been peaceful and stable for the past few centuries, but, as a safe haven for money, have gained from everybodies else's problems. They've held themselves nuetral and have got very very rich by turning a blind eye to whether the wealth that poured in for safe keeping came from the mouths of Jews killed in the gas chambers or some other vile source. 

Best regards,
Ed
-Original Message-
From: Thomas Lunde [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: Ed Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Destruction of Albania (Part I)

Dear Ed:

It's a good argument Ed but the first comment is current time and your comment is relevant 50 years ago. I'm inclined to give the Europeans the benefit of doubt and grant that many countries have been trying to address some of the social problems that our neighbour to the South ignores and which spills over into our culture.

Respectfully,

Thomas Lunde

--
From: Ed Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: List Futurework [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Destruction of Albania (Part I)
Date: Fri, May 14, 1999, 12:32 PM


Funny, but here in Europe we don't have an army that has bombed 21
countries
during the last 50 years (without having been attacked once). We also
don't
have the high rates of murder and prisoners that your peaceful country has.
Nor do we need metal detectors in our schools to protect the kids from
each other, or security guards on our campus to prevent the kids from
massacrating their peers on Hitler's birthday. We also don't have
militia-men who kill dozens of civilians by blowing up a gov't building.
Geez, we don't even have racial riots in large cities after some state
officers have beaten up a citizen for his race.

But I'm sure we'll have all that pretty soon if we follow the lead of your
peace-loving and tolerant country, Ray.


How beautifully smug! I understand that your bankers made quite a lot of
money from the gold and jewelry that the Nazis took from death-camp victims.
Europe, if you read its history, was a cesspool of wars, repressions and
mass exterminations. And it was Europeans who brought diseases and
enslavement to the Americas, accounting for the destruction of civilizations
and the deaths of perhaps 100 million people. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to
get into this one, but on reading the above self-congratulatory puffery, I
just couldn't help it. But perhaps I misunderstood. Perhaps you intent was
some form of comic irony.

Ed Weick







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1999-03-10 Thread Michael Gurstein


The attached seems to signal a potentially significant development in
thinking about a post neo-liberal approach to global governance.  A stray
ray of sun doesn't make a spring morning but but it does suggest that
winter may not be eternal.

M


WHO SHOULD DEVISE AND OWN THE PROPOSED GLOBAL SOCIAL POLICY CODE?

The UK government, through the intervention of the Chancellor Gordon
Brown, has made a significant contribution to the debate about how to
regulate the global economy not only in terms of financial flows but also
in terms of the social dimension of globalization.

He has argued for a GLOBAL SOCIAL POLICY CODE. This would be a "code of
global best practice in social policy which will apply for every country,
will set minimum standards and will ensure that when IMF and WORLD BANK
help a country in trouble the agreed programme of reform will preserve
investments in the social, education, and employment programmes which are
essential for growth" Moreover this code "should not be seen in narrow
terms as merely the creation of  social safety nets. We should see it as
creating opportunities for all by investing more not less in education,
employment and vital public services".(Speech entitled Rediscovering
Public Purpose in the Global Economy, Harvard, Dec 15th 1998.)

It is suggested by him that this code should be agreed at the next meeting
of the World Bank meeting in spring1999. The question, therefore, is posed
as to who and how will this code be devised. It has fallen to Robert
Holzmann as Director of the newly created Social Protection division of
the Human Resources Network of the Bank to formulate this. Some initial
thinking was provided by the Social Development Section of the DFID of the
UK government. It suggested that best practice in social policy involved
a)equitable access to basic social services health, education, water and
sanitation, shelter; b)social protection enabling individuals to reduce
their vulnerability to shocks: and c)core labour standards.

Two questions arise. First what does the track record of Bank policy
making in this field suggest might be the slant of this new global code if
left to them?

For a final answer we must await the articulation within the next few
months of the World Bank's Social Protection sector strategy paper. Some
clues as to its orientation already exist. The social protection section,
in the terms of its own publicity material, says it is meeting the
challenge of inclusion by focusing on risk management by 'helping people
manage risks proactively in their households and communities'. Within this
remit it is working on labour market reform, pension reform and social
assistance strategies including supporting NGO and community social funds
in many countries. This suggests a strategy which emphasizes individual
responsibility to insure themselves against the increased risks and
uncertainties of globalization rather than one that puts emphasis on
governmental responsibilities to pool risks and to universalize provision.
Holzmann concentrates on pension policy (1997a,1997b,1997c,1997d) and has
lent his support to the multi-pillar approach to pension reform (1997b)
which would reduce the state PAYG schemes to a minimal role of basic
pension provision, supplemented by a compulsory and fully funded and
individualized second pillar and a voluntary third pillar.

Second how should other global actors with a right to a view on this code:
ILO, UNICEF, WHO, UNESCO, UNDP, the UN Economic and Social Secretariat,
global trade unions, global civil society etc. have their say? If we are
to build a global economy that takes the social dimension seriously then
we need forms of global social policy formulation that stand in the
tradition of consensus politics and tripartism. The initiative by the UN
Social Policy and Social Development Secretariat to formulate a policy for
the social dimension of globalization needs to engage with this GLOBAL
CODE OF SOCIAL POLICY . The ILO and other UN social agencies need to make
their input. A wide ranging discussion is needed , not a quick fix at the
next meeting of the Bank. A code owned by all could be agreed at the
Copenhagen plus 5 meeting scheduled for June 2000.
 
A code for best practice in social policy should not slant too far in the
direction of targeting and privatisation. It would have to explicate what
the alternative poles of universalism and public responsibility might mean
for countries at different levels of development. At the same time such an
approach of universalism appropriate to the level of development needs to
be coupled with explicit pro poor development polices to avoid the charge
that the poor countries should settle for less.

Chen and Desai (1997, pp 432) reminded us recently, having reviewed the
positive experiences of  those countries that combined economic growth
with conscious social development (Botswana, Mauritius, Zimbabwe, the
Indian State of Kerala, Sri Lanka, the Republic of Korea, Malaysia,

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1999-02-16 Thread Eva Durant

(JAY:)
These "egalitarian" societies work because they are small.  Community
members must be able to "recognize" other community memebers.
 That limits them to 300 or 400 individuals.

me:
If everyone have information about the trackrecord of
somebody's capabilities in a directly any time
open information system, we do not need to "recognize"
community members in the larger community.
And in the smaller one - such as living place and workplace
control, such choosing people relying on personal
experience is more efficient
than the present system where the supervisors are
pushed on from the top.  
By the way, I would call a hierarchy democracy, if it
is built bottom-up, everyone is instantly recallable
and everyone have the same access to information and
life's necessities. Besides not being based on
 physical strength and darwinism, it seems a very 
natural social way to me, too...

Ray:
It not a question wheither or not human will have rulers, the only question
is who shall rule.  We are presently ruled by the rich.  I would like to see
 different criteria.

It's a fact of life that democracy (no matter how one defines it) is on the
 way out.



me: it cannot be on the way out, as it hasn't been in yet!

We should be ruled by ourselves, that's the best way to
being ouselves; the most individualistic system there is...

Eva



Subject: wallace-l: Philosophical Phonies on the Left Bank

1998-03-15 Thread Elinor Mosher


Eva: There was an article on this in the Guardian Weekly 2 or 3 months ago.




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1998-02-15 Thread Durant


I think I did have a similar question before -
I don't think that the "home-industry"
style production can satisfy the needs of the present number
of people. Also, if we can find the sustainable means
of cutting down on the soul-numbing jobs, why shouldn't
we? Lets keep the capitalism created wonders
of science and technology, through democratic
control, let's make sure it is done sustainably
and with minimal environmental degregation.
I picture the next era witha minimum of
rotated unwanted task, and full individual
creative development.

Eva



 
 Eva, why would we want to keep mass production; which is a
 particular manifestation of capitalist production relations
 pertaining to a particular accumulation regime of a particular era
 in the techno-eco omic history of capitalism, for a sustainable
 world may I ask. I am sorry if I am out of context here because I
 didn't listen well...
 
 baha 
 
 
 
 
  "Durant" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/12/98 12:51 
 Mass production and globalisation is necessary
 if we want to sustain sustainably the earth's
 population. That is why we cannot go back
 to some quaint early form of capitalism.
 
 Eva
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
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1998-01-28 Thread Linda Minfa Chen


Dear discussion group members:

I am eager to learn Taiwanese, a dialect spoken in Taiwan and Fujian
Province, China, but haven't had much luck finding language instruction.

If you know of any books, tapes, or courses in the New York City area,
information will be much appreciated.  Thank you.





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1997-12-01 Thread Laurie Adkin

I am attaching some advance information about a new publication which may
be useful for your educational or political work. The files are in dos text
ascii. Please circulate or post this information to your distribution lists
as you deem appropriate.

Ordering information:
toll free order number in Canada: 1-800-565-9523
in USA: 1-800-283-3572
in Europe: 0-800-1066-00
in Australia: fax 02 9566-4411
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fax: 514 849 1956



The Politics of Sustainable Development:
Citizens, Unions and the Corporations
LAURIE E. ADKIN

Using documentary evidence, interviews and surveys, Laurie Adkin examines the
potential of new social movements and the labour movement to pose radical
challenges to the model of development in the West. Although there are
considerable obstacles on both sides, the author believes that the potential exists
for a convergence between a radicalized `social unionism' and the popular
democratic discourse of political ecology.

"The most difficult, yet most needed, of research projects is one that moves from the 
theoretical
to the "real" in all its detail, complexity, and contradictions. This book takes on 
that challenge,
contributing to a rethink of both the theoretical and practical. It is especially 
important in
recognizing the constraints on action yet showing that activists' conceptions of 
unionism, union
culture, and ideas do matter. It will, no doubt, be of great relevance to both 
academics and CAW
activists struggling with the politics and tensions of more successfully addressing 
the issue of the
environment."
 - Sam Gindin, Director of Research, Canadian Auto Workers Union

"This is a well-researched and politically astute study which illuminates the 
challenges faced by
activists and movements that strive to break through the enclosures of conventional 
politics. In a
sober yet hopeful voice, Adkin records the struggles of trade unionists and citizens 
groups to find
common ground around a democratic-ecological project that might well fuel a resurgent
counter-hegemony in Canada and elsewhere."
-- William K. Carroll, Professor of Sociology, University of Victoria

"A rare example, nowadays, of meticulous scholarship in the service of political 
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and a key text for all those who are seriously concerned with the real 
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in its
account of the real, stressful efforts of ordinary people to understand and overcome 
what
industry is doing to their health and their jobs. It also breaks new ground in showing 
how crucial
ideological 'discourses' are in building the necessary alliances to do this."
- Colin Leys, Professor of Political Studies, Queen's University at Kingston, 
1976-1996, and
co-editor of the Socialist Register

Laurie E. Adkin holds a PhD from Queen's University in Political Studies and currently 
teaches
Comparative Politics at the University of Alberta. She has published articles on new 
social
movements, the Canadian labour and environmental movements, and on Latin America. 

Paperback ISBN: 1-55164-080-5  $28.99
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Laurie E. Adkin, The Politics of Sustainable Development: Citizens, Unions, and the 
Corporations(Montreal; New York; London: Black Rose Books, 1998)

 The attitudes and actions of citizens' groups, unions and corporations reflect 
not only their stakes in
protecting particular interests, but also the limits of their abilities to envision, 
or mobilize support for,
alternatives to the prevailing mode of economic growth. Growing public concern about 
toxic chemicals and
industrial issues coincided in the 1980s with a peak in environmental activism and 
government initiatives.
These developments are examined alongside the complex problem of labour movement 
responses. 
 How successful have these various interests been in shaping the 
economic-environmental regulatory
framework?  Analyses of the roles of actors such as citizens' groups and unions in the 
formation of public
policy have been notably lacking in Canada. The regulatory battles studied here 
include: the amendment to the
Ontario Environmental Protection Act which became known as the "Spills Bill"; 
Ontario's Municipal-Industrial
Strategy of Abatement for pollution entering waterways; the introduction of the 
Canadian Environmental
Protection Act; the public review of the Great Lakes Water Quality Agreement; and the 
public participation
process for the Remedial Action Plans for the "areas of concern" in the Great Lakes 
Basin.
 Also compared are the responses of two industrial trade unions to environmental 
regulation of industry
and the growing influence of the environmental movement. These are: the Energy and 
Chemical Workers
Union (ECWU) and the Canadian Auto Workers 

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1997-10-31 Thread Luc Moisan


signoff
Luc Moisan,CHE
Tél:(418) 650-3959
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1997-10-25 Thread Garry Wetstein


signoff





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1997-10-24 Thread ALAN SCHARF


There appear to be some private conversations occuring on the list. Would it
be possible for contributors to address their comments to the entire list,
or to communicate directly with each other when two people are carrying on a
conversation? 

It is frustrating to open messages and, only after perusal, realize that
that are not for the list. It's not as easy as just a simple delete.

Thanks.
Alan Scharf
 




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1997-10-21 Thread Mike McNett


Signoff



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1997-10-21 Thread Michel Chossudovsky
possibility of a "soft landing". "IMF surveillance" of debtor
countries' macro-economic policy tends to further heighten the risks of
financial meltdown. 

The present economic crisis is far more complex than that of the interwar
period. Because national economies are interlocked in a system of global
trade and investment, its impact is potentially far more devastating. The
technological revolution (combined with delocation and corporate
restructuring) has dramatically lowered the costs of production while at
same time impoverishing millions of people. 

Macro-economic policies are internationalised: the same austerity measures
are applied all over the World. In turn, large corporations have the power
to move entire branches of industry from one country to another. Factories
are closed down in the developed countries and production is transferred to
the Third World where workers are often paid less than a dollar a day. 

The social consequences and geo-political implications of the economic
crisis are far-reaching particularly in the uncertain aftermath of the Cold
War. In the developing World and in the former Soviet block, entire
countries have been destabilised as a consequence of the collapse of
national currencies often resulting in the outbreak of social strife,
ethnic conflicts and civil war... In the former Soviet Union as a whole,
industrial output has plummeted by 48.8 percent and GDP by 44.0 percent
over the 1989-1995 period. (Official data compiled by the United Nations
Economic Commission for Europe). In some cases, wages have fallen to less
than ten dollars a month; in Bulgaria, old age pensioners receive two
dollars a month. 

Budget austerity, plant closures, deregulation and trade liberalisation
have contributed to precipitating entire national economies into poverty
and stagnation. In turn, the evolution of financial markets has reached a
dangerous cross-roads. The massive trade in derivatives undermines the
conduct of monetary policy in both the developing and developed countries. 

Dangerous Cross-Roads

The speculative surge of stock values is totally at variance with the
movement of the real economy. Stock markets "cannot lead their own life"
indefinitely. Business confidence cannot be "sustained by recession". The
price to earnings ratio (P/E) on the SP 500 has risen dangerously to 25.8,
well above the P/E level of 22.4 prevailing in the months prior to the
October 1987 crash. 

In many regards, the stock market frenzy is analogous to the Albanian
"ponzi" pyramid schemes. People who have invested their private savings
will "get rich" while the market rises and as long as they leave their
money in the stock market. As soon as financial markets crumble, life-long
savings in stocks, mutual funds, pension and insurance funds are wiped out.
More than forty percent of the American adult population has investments in
the stock market. A financial meltdown would lead to massive loan default
sending a cold shiver through the entire banking system; it would also
result in bank failures as well as a tumble of pension and retirement
savings funds. 

Financial Disarmament

Market forces left to their own devices lead to financial upheaval. Close
scrutiny of the role of major speculative instruments (including option
trading, short sales, non-trading derivatives, hedge funds, non deliverable
currency transactions, programme trading, index futures, etc.) should be
undertaken. 

A report published by the Bundesbank had already warned in 1993 that trade
in derivatives could potentially "trigger chain reactions and endanger the
financial system as a whole". (Martin Khor, " Baring and the Search for a
Rogue Culprit, Third World Economics, No. 108, 1-15 March 1995, p. 10).
Regulation cannot be limited to the disclosure and reporting of trade in
derivatives as recommended by the Bank for International Settlements (BIS);
concrete measures applied globally and agreed by governments of both
developed and developing countries are required to prohibit the use of
specific speculative instruments. 

The risks associated with the electronic order routing systems should also
be the subject of careful examination.  Alan Greenspan, Chairman of the
Federal Reserve Board admits that "the efficiency of global financial
markets, has the capability of transmitting mistakes at a far faster pace
throughout the financial system in ways which were unknown a generation
ago..."(BIS Review, No. 46, 1997). 

It is essential that the World community acknowledge an increasingly
dangerous situation and adopt without delay a coherent structure of
financial regulation (and inter-governmental cooperation). 

This is a broad and complex political issue requiring substantial changes
in the balance of political power within national societies. Those in the
seat of political authority often have a vested interest in upholding
dominant financial interests

FW Please use the FW and FW-L identifiers on subject line

1997-10-12 Thread S. Lerner


Please do use the identifiers at the beginning of the subject line when you
post.

Also, can anyone explain to me why the posting re Jesse Helms were relevant
to FW.  I am open to instruction.   Sally Lerner





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1997-10-12 Thread Gary G. Johnson


WITNE: WOMEN IN THE NEW ECONOMY is finally beginning to happen after a year
or more of planning. We're sending out a call for nominations for brief
essays to help us begin. Details are available at http://www.newwork.com.

WITNE is for women throughout the world who care about their economic
well-being during the new era, as well as for men who care because of the
girls and women in their lives. We think this should be nearly everybody.

gj

Gary G. Johnson
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   http://www.newwork.com.  For business, education, and careers.





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1997-10-05 Thread Haldun Ozaktas


set DIGEST ON

Haldun M. Ozaktas
Bilkent University  (90) (312) 266 40 00 / 1619
Department of Electrical Engineering(90) (312) 266 43 07 (secretary)
TR-06533 Bilkent, Ankara, Turkey(90) (312) 266 41 26 (fax)
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1997-09-08 Thread Thomas Lunde


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