Re: [Futurework] Switzerland: Europe's heart of darkness?
I don't vote SVP, and as the article mentions, the SVP's proposal has little chance of passing in parliament, but I find it pretty ironic that someone who considers Israel his team criticizes these things: But far more dramatically, it has announced its intention to lay before parliament a law allowing the entire family of a criminal under the age of 18 to be deported as soon as sentence is passed. It will be the first such law in Europe since the Nazi practice of Sippenhaft - kin liability - whereby relatives of criminals were held responsible for their crimes and punished equally. Israel routinely uses Sippenhaft quite brutally by demolishing the homes of families of alleged terrorists (without even due legal process), thereby often killing many innocents. Worse, Israel's Sippenhaft extends to a whole people, killing humans because they are Palestinians (e.g. by holding back emergency patients at checkpoints). The SVP proposal is not about Sippenhaft, but about legal guardians. No less than 10% of the former inhabitants of Kosovo have migrated to Switzerland, of all countries. Their children often commit crimes before reaching the age of criminal responsibility, so they basically go unpunished. E.g. 13-year-old boys raping a 5-year-old girl, or a gang of 14-year-olds killing a passer-by. To handle this, the perpetrators' legal guardians --i.e. the parents-- have to be held responsible in some way, and to prevent the family from being separated (by jail), sending the family back to their country seems like the only viable response. What else do you suggest? Switzerland has the toughest naturalisation rules in Europe. To apply, you must live in the country legally for at least 12 years, pay taxes, and have no criminal record. What are the naturalization rules of Israel? Hitler's race criteria, basically. Even DNA tests for potential immigrants to ensure that they belong to God's chosen people and are not just ordinary Russians looking for a better life. When a Swiss woman who has emigrated to Canada has a baby, that child automatically gets citizenship, Dr Schlüer says. But in what sense is a boy born in Canada, who may be brought up with an entirely different world view and set of values, more Swiss than someone like Fatma Karademir who has never lived anywhere but Switzerland? When a Jew from anywhere on the planet comes to Israel for the first time, he automatically gets citizenship, whereas Palestinians who were born there and had always lived there, are not allowed to return. But that a baby inherits the nationality of its parents, also abroad, is quite usual internationally -- it's not a Swiss specialty at all. The truth is that at the heart of the Swiss People's Party's vision is a visceral notion of kinship, breeding and blood that liberals would like to think sits very much at odds with the received wisdom of most of the Western world. The zionist notion of kinship, breeding and blood is badly at odds with the Western world, but thru PNAC and AIPAC, this notion steers the colonialist policies of the West's superpowers, including the ongoing genocide in Iraq. It is what lies behind the SVP's fear of even moderate Islam. It has warned that because of their higher birth rates Muslims would eventually become a majority in Switzerland if the citizenship rules were eased. Here, the SVP has simply copied a zionist slogan -- of the Muslim demographic bomb. And like LePen and Sarkozy (who openly courted LePen's voters to get elected) in France, the SVP is pro-zionist and anti-Muslim -- surprise, surprise! So I don't understand why Arthur is complaining... Cheers, Chris SpamWall: Mail to this addy is deleted unread unless it contains the keyword igve. ___ Futurework mailing list Futurework@fes.uwaterloo.ca http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
Re: [Futurework] Switzerland: Europe's heart of darkness?
While I cam see this is an important topic deserving of deep academic debate and investigation - I am just curious as to how this relates to the purpose of this futurework list? I am just one of the technical drones that monitor the status of the list and the hardware it resides on - and every once in a while I browse the posts. from the listinfo page: FUTUREWORK: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION FUTUREWORK is an international e-mail forum for discussion of how to deal with the new realities created by economic globalization and technological change. Basic changes are occurring in the nature of work in all industrialized countries. Information technology has hastened the advent of the global economic village. Jobs that workers at all skill levels in developed countries once held are now filled by smart machines and/or in low-wage countries. Contemporary rhetoric proclaims the need for ever-escalating competition, leaner and meaner ways of doing business, a totally *flexible* workforce, jobless growth. What would a large permanent reduction in the number of secure, adequately-waged jobs mean for communities, families and individuals? This is not being adequately discussed, nor are the implications for income distribution and education. Even less adequately addressed are questions of how to take back control of these events, how to turn technological change into the opportunity for a richer life rather than the recipe for a bladerunner society. Our objective in creating this list is to involve as many people as possible in re-designing for the new realities. We hope that this list will help to move these issues to a prominent place on public and political agendas worldwide. The FUTUREWORK list is hosted by the Faculty of Environmental Studies at the University of Waterloo. ___ Futurework mailing list Futurework@fes.uwaterloo.ca http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
Re: [Futurework] Switzerland: Europe's heart of darkness?
I agree and plead guilty to leading this list off track. I am a co-owner of the list and have intervened in the past to prevent precisely this. I posted the Swiss material in response to a list-member from Switzerland who has, in the past, flung some arrows at other countries and how they run their affairs. It was posted in the spirit of people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Tempting to do on my part, but I should have practiced restraint. However I did post the material and I shouldn't have. It led the list astray. And to the others, posting the material on the Pres. of Iran was also off-topic and so I apologize on this account too. So.thanx for the reminder. To all remaining list members let's try to stay on topic. I will do so and hope that others who have strongly felt views on non-FW topics will post those views to the relevant lists. All the best. Arthur From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Markan Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Futurework] Switzerland: Europe's heart of darkness? While I cam see this is an important topic deserving of deep academic debate and investigation - I am just curious as to how this relates to the purpose of this futurework list? I am just one of the technical drones that monitor the status of the list and the hardware it resides on - and every once in a while I browse the posts. from the listinfo page: FUTUREWORK: RE-DESIGNING WORK, INCOME DISTRIBUTION, EDUCATION FUTUREWORK is an international e-mail forum for discussion of how to deal with the new realities created by economic globalization and technological change. Basic changes are occurring in the nature of work in all industrialized countries. Information technology has hastened the advent of the global economic village. Jobs that workers at all skill levels in developed countries once held are now filled by smart machines and/or in low-wage countries. Contemporary rhetoric proclaims the need for ever-escalating competition, leaner and meaner ways of doing business, a totally *flexible* workforce, jobless growth. What would a large permanent reduction in the number of secure, adequately-waged jobs mean for communities, families and individuals? This is not being adequately discussed, nor are the implications for income distribution and education. Even less adequately addressed are questions of how to take back control of these events, how to turn technological change into the opportunity for a richer life rather than the recipe for a bladerunner society. Our objective in creating this list is to involve as many people as possible in re-designing for the new realities. We hope that this list will help to move these issues to a prominent place on public and political agendas worldwide. The FUTUREWORK list is hosted by the Faculty of Environmental Studies at the University of Waterloo. ___ Futurework mailing list Futurework@fes.uwaterloo.ca http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
Re: [Futurework] Switzerland: Europe's heart of darkness?
On 9/28/07, Christoph Reuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP This nonsense has come to dominate the news, politics and everyday lives of people around the world, and serves to escalate global conflicts with potentially (and in some places actually) devastating consequences on civilization as we know it, so debunking it is quite ON-topic on this list IMHO. I can understand the importance of the topic and why one would want to discuss the topic. What I asked was How does this relate to the purpose of the list? Perhaps I am missing the obvious and I need the lines connected for me. I still don't see how the posting connects to the purpose of the list. ___ Futurework mailing list Futurework@fes.uwaterloo.ca http://fes.uwaterloo.ca/mailman/listinfo/futurework
