Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
<< My FvwmIconMan buttons for iconified windows are always flat, whether I set IconButton or not. My non-iconified window buttons react to the settings just fine. I'm running 2.7.0. If i remove Colorset and IconColorset and instead use Background and IconButton colors, that gave me the relief for iconified windows. >> False alarm. Apparently, my IconColorset had a color the same as the relief.
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
<< My FvwmIconMan buttons for iconified windows are always flat, whether I set IconButton or not. My non-iconified window buttons react to the settings just fine. I'm running 2.7.0. >> If i remove Colorset and IconColorset and instead use Background and IconButton colors, that gave me the relief for iconified windows.
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
My FvwmIconMan buttons for iconified windows are always flat, whether I set IconButton or not. My non-iconified window buttons react to the settings just fine. I'm running 2.7.0.
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:01:56AM -0700, elliot s wrote:
> *FvwmButtons: (1x1, Swallow "xbiff" 'Exec xbiff' Action(Mouse 1)
add a comma here.
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Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:51:38AM -0700, elliot s wrote:
> < As for mail, use something like xbiff or xbuffy or some other external tool.
>
> The nice thing fvwmtaskbar did was to share the button, so that it was
> a mail icon when you had mail, and "xclock" otherwise.
Which you can do in FvwmButtons anyway.
> > fvwmtaskbar colorset colors show up lighter than the same colorset in
> > FvwmIconMan or elsewhere..
>
> I'm using the same colorsets for FvwmTaskbar and FvwmIconMan.
> Maybe one module uses more of the colorset parameters than another.
Nope. This is not how programming works.
> Colorset 4 fg black, bg orange, fgsh black, sh black, hi orange
> Colorset 5 fg black, bg #d8ffa0, fgsh black, sh tan , hi tan
> Colorset 6 fg black, bg #90, fgsh black, sh #90, hi #90
>
> *FvwmIconMan: Colorset 5
> *FvwmIconMan: FocusColorset 4
> *FvwmIconMan: IconColorset 6
>
> *FvwmTaskBar: Colorset 5
> *FvwmTaskBar: IconColorset 6
> *FvwmTaskBar: FocusColorset 4
These look the same according to my tired eyes, and also what gcolor2 made
of them. So I'll trust gcolor2.
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Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
> would you be able/willing to share the relevent section of your config file > to show how you did it? Here's what i have for my replacement taskbar. I'm actually doing something else in the spot of xbiff, so i dont know if it's right. *FvwmIconMan: Action Mouse 1 N sendcommand Op_Raise_Iconify_Off *FvwmIconMan: ButtonGeometry 642x25 *FvwmIconMan: Colorset 5 *FvwmIconMan: DrawIcons always *FvwmIconMan: FocusColorset 4 *FvwmIconMan: IconColorset 6 *FvwmIconMan: Format "%i" *FvwmIconMan: ManagerGeometry 1x2 *FvwmIconMan: ReliefThickness 1 *FvwmButtons: Colorset 5 *FvwmButtons: Frame 0 *FvwmButtons: Geometry 642x50+154-0 *FvwmButtons: Padding 0 0 *FvwmButtons: (1x1, Swallow "xbiff" 'Exec xbiff' Action(Mouse 1) 'Exec from | xmessage -file -' ) *FvwmButtons: (1x1, Swallow "xclock" 'Exec xclock -digital -strftime %d -face lucidasans-8') *FvwmButtons: (15x2-0-0, right, Swallow FvwmIconMan "Module FvwmIconMan")
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
< As for mail, use something like xbiff or xbuffy or some other external tool. The nice thing fvwmtaskbar did was to share the button, so that it was a mail icon when you had mail, and "xclock" otherwise. > fvwmtaskbar colorset colors show up lighter than the same colorset in > FvwmIconMan or elsewhere.. I'm using the same colorsets for FvwmTaskbar and FvwmIconMan. Maybe one module uses more of the colorset parameters than another. Colorset 4 fg black, bg orange, fgsh black, sh black, hi orange Colorset 5 fg black, bg #d8ffa0,fgsh black, sh tan , hi tan Colorset 6 fg black, bg #90,fgsh black, sh #90, hi #90 *FvwmIconMan: Colorset 5 *FvwmIconMan: FocusColorset 4 *FvwmIconMan: IconColorset 6 *FvwmTaskBar: Colorset 5 *FvwmTaskBar: IconColorset 6 *FvwmTaskBar: FocusColorset 4
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:20:27AM -0400, Chris Siebenmann wrote:
> | > Is there a complete list of deprecated(ing) or dead modules?
> | > I don't want to play with a dead module, with issues
> | > unsolvable.
> |
> | Not as such, but in my mind:
> [...]
> | * FvwmWinList (it's FvwmIconMan with tweaks?)
>
> This might need some modifications to FvwmIconMan, because the last
Yes. This is what "tweaks" refers to here.
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Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
| > Is there a complete list of deprecated(ing) or dead modules? | > I don't want to play with a dead module, with issues | > unsolvable. | | Not as such, but in my mind: [...] | * FvwmWinList (it's FvwmIconMan with tweaks?) This might need some modifications to FvwmIconMan, because the last time I tried to do this only one FIM instance at a time could manage a given window. If not changed, that would mean that the FIM instance used as a pop-up list of all windows would not include any windows already managed by a persistent FIM instance. - cks
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 05:32:11PM -0700, elliot s wrote: > Well, i got the FvwmIconMan/FvwmButtons pair looking like my fvwmtaskbar. > Two differences: > fvwmtaskbar had a shared mail checker/date display. xclock is fine for this. As for mail, use something like xbiff or xbuffy or some other external tool. > I dont know of an easy way to get both, so now it's just an xclock display. > fvwmtaskbar colorset colors show up lighter than the same colorset in > FvwmIconMan or elsewhere.. How have you defined them? -- Thomas Adam
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 05:32:11PM -0700, elliot s wrote: > Well, i got the FvwmIconMan/FvwmButtons pair looking like my fvwmtaskbar. > Two differences: > fvwmtaskbar had a shared mail checker/date display. > I dont know of an easy way to get both, so now it's just an xclock display. > fvwmtaskbar colorset colors show up lighter than the same colorset in > FvwmIconMan or elsewhere.. would you be able/willing to share the relevent section of your config file to show how you did it? jamie
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
Well, i got the FvwmIconMan/FvwmButtons pair looking like my fvwmtaskbar. Two differences: fvwmtaskbar had a shared mail checker/date display. I dont know of an easy way to get both, so now it's just an xclock display. fvwmtaskbar colorset colors show up lighter than the same colorset in FvwmIconMan or elsewhere..
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 11:40:37AM +0800, XeCycle wrote:
> > Use FvwmIconMan and FvwmButtons. I'll be deprecating FvwmTaskBar soon
> > enough. It's dead.
>
> Is there a complete list of deprecated(ing) or dead modules?
> I don't want to play with a dead module, with issues
> unsolvable.
Not as such, but in my mind:
* FvwmSave
* FvwmSaveDesk
* FvwmDragWell
* FvwmTaskBar (it's only FvwmButtons and FvwmIconMan)
* FvwmWinList (it's FvwmIconMan with tweaks?)
* FvwmIconBox
* FvwmGtk
None of these are likely to affect you anyway.
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Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 07:48:01PM -0700, elliot s wrote:
> Perhaps a sample of FvwmButtons/FvwmIconMan fvwmtaskbar replacement
> code can be put into the wiki so that everyone currently using
> fvwmtaskbar doesnt have to dumpster dive thru the forum.
It's been in the TODO for ages, and is finally viable now that 2.6.X is out.
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Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 07:48:01PM -0700, elliot s wrote: > Perhaps a sample of FvwmButtons/FvwmIconMan fvwmtaskbar replacement > code can be put into the wiki so that everyone currently using > fvwmtaskbar doesnt have to dumpster dive thru the forum. Yeah that would be good. I always like to see how other people have configured their window manager as well, it always amazes me to see how versatile it is and some people achieve really fantastic results. jamie
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
> Use FvwmIconMan and FvwmButtons. I'll be deprecating FvwmTaskBar soon > enough. It's dead. Is there a complete list of deprecated(ing) or dead modules? I don't want to play with a dead module, with issues unsolvable. pgpNiM1YzRnt5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
Perhaps a sample of FvwmButtons/FvwmIconMan fvwmtaskbar replacement code can be put into the wiki so that everyone currently using fvwmtaskbar doesnt have to dumpster dive thru the forum.
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 07:07:41PM -0600, Jaimos Skriletz wrote: Basic idea, FvwmButtons is the container. You can use it to hold the various parts of the taskbar you want. FvwmIconMan is the part that keeps track of running programs. I would first configure that, to act like the major part of the taskbar. After that you can add the start button and other things like clock/notifications by swalowing it into FvwmButtons. I am sure there are good reasons for not keeping FvwmTaskBar but for me it is a shame. I think it's a cool feature. I've got it set up so it's transparent and i'm really happy with the look of it and the fact it's so easy to use. FvwmButtons is great there's no doubt about that and i've achieved really nice results with it in the past - for me anyway - but, it is tricky to get the more advanced configuration right. I haven't yet looked at using it as a task bar though so not sure how tricky will be. jamie
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 05:44:07PM -0700, elliot s wrote: > << > Use FvwmIconMan and FvwmButtons. I'll be deprecating FvwmTaskBar soon > enough. It's dead. > >> > > Is there an example somewhere on converting fvwmtaskbar functionality > to FvwmIconMan/FvwmButtons? Have you checked the forums for examples, fvwmforums.org? I would search there. Basic idea, FvwmButtons is the container. You can use it to hold the various parts of the taskbar you want. FvwmIconMan is the part that keeps track of running programs. I would first configure that, to act like the major part of the taskbar. After that you can add the start button and other things like clock/notifications by swalowing it into FvwmButtons. jaimos
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
<< Use FvwmIconMan and FvwmButtons. I'll be deprecating FvwmTaskBar soon enough. It's dead. >> Is there an example somewhere on converting fvwmtaskbar functionality to FvwmIconMan/FvwmButtons?
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 07:47:10PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote: > > Anything in ~/.xsession-errors? Is FvwmTaskBar set to AutoHide? Ideally, > stop using it and use FvwmIconMan and FvwmButtons. strangely, nothing in ~/.xsession-errors. Definitely not set to AutoHide. I'll do as you suggested and use use those two other modules, I used to use them anyway but in a slightly different way. Thanks to you both for your help. Jamie
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 05:44:49PM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> Hello
>
> I use the Task Bar and I have set it to check Maildirs in my home
> directory for new mail. When the window manager starts the Task Bar
> disappears after a few minutes, i'm assuming this is when the Maildir is
> first checked.
Anything in ~/.xsession-errors? Is FvwmTaskBar set to AutoHide? Ideally,
stop using it and use FvwmIconMan and FvwmButtons.
> I wondered if anyone else has experienced this problem and if so, do you
> know how I can fix it. I'm sorry but I do not know of any debugging
> technique to provide more information.
Use FvwmIconMan and FvwmButtons. I'll be deprecating FvwmTaskBar soon
enough. It's dead.
-- Thomas Adam
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not." -- Morrissey ("Girl Least Likely To" -- off of Viva Hate.)
Re: FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 05:44:49PM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote: > Hello > > I use the Task Bar and I have set it to check Maildirs in my home directory > for new mail. When the window manager starts the Task Bar disappears after a > few minutes, i'm assuming this is when the Maildir is first checked. > > I wondered if anyone else has experienced this problem and if so, do you know > how I can fix it. I'm sorry but I do not know of any debugging technique to > provide more information. You can check your $HOME/.xsession-errors (or stdout of your xserver) to see if any errors are spit out. Also if the process FvwmTaskBar isn't running when it disapeared its crashing. You are probabaly right about why its crashing, but will have to debug the paticulars. For the most part FvwmTaskBar is no longer supported. If you want a task bar I would suggest mixing FvwmIconMan (for the task bar) + FvwmButtons as a container/pannel you can use to contain the start menu/clock/mail notification/system tray etc -- there are many examples of these floating around. Check the forums. > > The version of fvwm I am using is 2.7.0 built using the FreeBSD port process. > afiak fvwm is not going to continue using the stable/unstable branch split. Thus don't use 2.7.0 but use 2.6.1 instead (the offical branch is 2.6). Not sure about any paticulars on the FreeBSD port process but 2.7.0 is the same as the 2.6.0 release. jaimos
FVWM: Task Bar Disappearing
Hello I use the Task Bar and I have set it to check Maildirs in my home directory for new mail. When the window manager starts the Task Bar disappears after a few minutes, i'm assuming this is when the Maildir is first checked. I wondered if anyone else has experienced this problem and if so, do you know how I can fix it. I'm sorry but I do not know of any debugging technique to provide more information. The version of fvwm I am using is 2.7.0 built using the FreeBSD port process. Jamie
