Re: FVWM: Paging behavior changed from fvwm version 2.5.26 to 2.5.28

2010-06-21 Thread Jaimos Skriletz
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 06:05:37PM +, halfdog wrote:
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> Hello List,
> 
> Perhaps someone can give me a hint, how to restore the old (prior 2.5.28) 
> paging
> behavior in fvwm 2.5.28. At the moment, the simple configuration from below
> behaves differently on ubuntu jaunty (2.5.26) and lucid (2.5.28).
> 

Just a debugging suggestion, have you tried to use Fvwm 2.5.26 from Jaunty on 
your Lucid install. It could be that the problem is not with fvwm, and if you 
get the same behaviour with 2.5.26 from Jaunty (or even if you download the 
current Fvwm from fvwm.org and make your own custom deb with 'make 
deb-inplace') then you know that there is something else running in Lucid that 
has caused this behavior.

jaimos



Re: FVWM: Paging behavior changed from fvwm version 2.5.26 to 2.5.28

2010-06-21 Thread Thomas Adam
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 03:58:42PM -0600, Jaimos Skriletz wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 06:05:37PM +, halfdog wrote:
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> > Hello List,
> > 
> > Perhaps someone can give me a hint, how to restore the old (prior 2.5.28) 
> > paging
> > behavior in fvwm 2.5.28. At the moment, the simple configuration from below
> > behaves differently on ubuntu jaunty (2.5.26) and lucid (2.5.28).
> > 
> 
> Just a debugging suggestion, have you tried to use Fvwm 2.5.26 from Jaunty
> on your Lucid install. It could be that the problem is not with fvwm, and
> if you get the same behaviour with 2.5.26 from Jaunty (or even if you
> download the current Fvwm from fvwm.org and make your own custom deb with
> 'make deb-inplace') then you know that there is something else running in
> Lucid that has caused this behavior.

The Ubuntu packages leech directly from Debian's (thankfully).  The PTS for
FVWM has no extraneous patches which would affect this:

http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/fvwm/1:2.5.28.ds-3

-- Thomas Adam

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Re: FVWM: Paging behavior changed from fvwm version 2.5.26 to 2.5.28

2010-06-22 Thread halfdog
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Thanks for your tips, Jaimos and Thomas, I did not know that the fvwm packages
work across various ubuntu versions and that there is no additional ubuntu-magic
compiled in. I had just to add the libreadline5 before the old dpkg could be
installed. The result was, that the same problem was also reproducible with
2.5.26 on lucid.

I dug a little deeper to find the differences in the jaunty/lucid setups. It
seems that xserver modules cause this strange behavior. With these changes, the
paging on lucid works like before:

Section "ServerFlags"
  Option"AutoAddDevices""false"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
  Identifier"GenericMouse"
  Driver"mouse"
  Option   "Protocol" "auto"
  Option"SendCoreEvents""true"
EndSection


It seems, that the xserver on lucid automatically adds evdev mouse/keyboard,
that interfere with the paging behavior. By blocking the autodevices and
creating an old-style mouse, the setup works as expected.

Thanks,
hd

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Re: FVWM: Paging behavior changed from fvwm version 2.5.26 to 2.5.28

2010-06-22 Thread Jonathan Kotta
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:54 AM, halfdog  wrote:
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> Thanks for your tips, Jaimos and Thomas, I did not know that the fvwm packages
> work across various ubuntu versions and that there is no additional 
> ubuntu-magic
> compiled in. I had just to add the libreadline5 before the old dpkg could be
> installed. The result was, that the same problem was also reproducible with
> 2.5.26 on lucid.
>
> I dug a little deeper to find the differences in the jaunty/lucid setups. It
> seems that xserver modules cause this strange behavior. With these changes, 
> the
> paging on lucid works like before:
>
> Section "ServerFlags"
>  Option        "AutoAddDevices"        "false"
> EndSection
>
> Section "InputDevice"
>  Identifier    "GenericMouse"
>  Driver        "mouse"
>  Option       "Protocol" "auto"
>  Option        "SendCoreEvents"        "true"
> EndSection
>
>
> It seems, that the xserver on lucid automatically adds evdev mouse/keyboard,
> that interfere with the paging behavior. By blocking the autodevices and
> creating an old-style mouse, the setup works as expected.
>
> Thanks,
> hd
>
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It probably doesn't have anything to do with your problem directly,
but maybe I should mention that I too had trouble going from Ubuntu
9.04 to 9.10 (and later).  I have a mechanism in Fvwm to automatically
flip focus when switching pages or closing windows.  While this
autofocusing itself had no trouble, it had some bad interactions with
a couple of special case windows whose focusing I want to work
differently.  AFAIK, this was caused by changes to X, because I tried
several different versions of Fvwm and Ubuntu and only changing the OS
would cause the problem.  I fixed it by modifying my Fvwm config.

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Thanks,

Jonathan Kotta

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It always takes longer than you expect, even
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