Re: FVWM: fvwm (font?) problems
Am 2007-03-08 11:10:04, schrieb Ionel Mugurel Ciobica: Dear all, I recently moved from Debian sarge to Debian etch (which imply xorg as default X). Now the screen looks orible, with ugly fonts and stuff. I have the same fonts installed and the same configuration so I don't know what is wrong. Is this fvwm related or is an X problem? In any case, any ideas where to look for the problem? Which Fonts do you use? A couple of fonts are renamed from Sarge to Etch. I had the problem with ttf-arabeyes and some rusinan (I think) fonts. Second, all not ascii caracters from menus dissapeard. How can I bring it back? Example: fa shows as fa, m??re??te/mic??oreaz?? shows as The right font is not more there and it maybe renamed... Greetings Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux Consultant -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/ # Debian GNU/Linux Consultant # Michelle Konzack Apt. 917 ICQ #328449886 50, rue de Soultz MSM LinuxMichi 0033/6/6192519367100 Strasbourg/France IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com) signature.pgp Description: Digital signature
FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
Hello, I know anyone can install FVWM if they want, but it seems like it is not shipped with many popular distros. In many places I use computers (linux), I have the option to choose wich WM I can use, but unfortunatelly the only distro I had it was SuSE. Is there any effort being made to convince the people responsible for arranging the linux distributions to include FVWM as an option of a window manager?? I think it would not be too difficult, since FVWM instalation requires less than 3 MB and is good, and has been here for much time. Kind regards.
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 15:16 -0300, Dedeco wrote: Hello, I know anyone can install FVWM if they want, but it seems like it is not shipped with many popular distros. In many places I use computers (linux), I have the option to choose wich WM I can use, but unfortunatelly the only distro I had it was SuSE. Is there any effort being made to convince the people responsible for arranging the linux distributions to include FVWM as an option of a window manager?? I think it would not be too difficult, since FVWM instalation requires less than 3 MB and is good, and has been here for much time. I'm pretty certain that there's an FVWM package for every major distro out there. If the package is installed, then it should show up in the list of available WMs. If these are machines where you don't have admin privileges, then you'll have to try to convince the box owner to install FVWM for you. --Dan Ost
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:15:48PM -0500, Dan Ost wrote: On Tue, 2007-03-13 at 15:16 -0300, Dedeco wrote: Hello, I know anyone can install FVWM if they want, but it seems like it is not shipped with many popular distros. In many places I use computers (linux), I have the option to choose wich WM I can use, but unfortunatelly the only distro I had it was SuSE. Is there any effort being made to convince the people responsible for arranging the linux distributions to include FVWM as an option of a window manager?? I think it would not be too difficult, since FVWM instalation requires less than 3 MB and is good, and has been here for much time. I'm pretty certain that there's an FVWM package for every major distro out there. If the package is installed, then it should show up in the list of available WMs. There is, it's just that certain distributions or even operating systems (think OpenBSD for instance) ship with FVWm version from the last eon. If these are machines where you don't have admin privileges, then you'll have to try to convince the box owner to install FVWM for you. One can easily install it to $HOME in those rare cases the sysadmin refuses to install it globally. -- Thomas Adam -- Wanting to feel; to know what is real. Living is a lie. -- Purpoise Song, by The Monkees.
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
I think that the best way to have that happen would be for someone to make a nice default theme. I think redhat used to include fvwm AND it was the default, but the theme that it came with was so terrible that everyone assume that's what fvwm had to look like. -fREW On 3/13/07, Dedeco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I know anyone can install FVWM if they want, but it seems like it is not shipped with many popular distros. In many places I use computers (linux), I have the option to choose wich WM I can use, but unfortunatelly the only distro I had it was SuSE. Is there any effort being made to convince the people responsible for arranging the linux distributions to include FVWM as an option of a window manager?? I think it would not be too difficult, since FVWM instalation requires less than 3 MB and is good, and has been here for much time. Kind regards.
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 01:46:46PM -0500, fREW wrote: I think that the best way to have that happen would be for someone to make a nice default theme. I think redhat used to include fvwm AND it was the default, but the theme that it came with was so terrible that everyone assume that's what fvwm had to look like. Please don't top post. This is such an old polemic. I started work on something similar some time ago: http://fvwm.lair.be/viewtopic.php?t=205 But to be honest, condensing something akin to fvwm-themes might be a better option. This thread is also not an appropriate place for discussing it; thread-hijacking sucks. -- Thomas Adam -- He wants you back, he screams into the night air, like a fireman going through a window that has no fire. -- Mike Myers, This Poem Sucks.
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
Le Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:46:46 -0500, fREW [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : I think that the best way to have that happen would be for someone to make a nice default theme. I think redhat used to include fvwm AND it was the default, but the theme that it came with was so terrible that everyone assume that's what fvwm had to look like. -fREW On 3/13/07, Dedeco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I know anyone can install FVWM if they want, but it seems like it is not shipped with many popular distros. In many places I use computers (linux), I have the option to choose wich WM I can use, but unfortunatelly the only distro I had it was SuSE. Is there any effort being made to convince the people responsible for arranging the linux distributions to include FVWM as an option of a window manager?? I think it would not be too difficult, since FVWM instalation requires less than 3 MB and is good, and has been here for much time. Kind regards. I think at for a package to be included in a distro, 2 things must be fulfilled: 1) Fill a polite bug report asking to include fvwm in the distribution 2) a developer must volunteer to maintain the package. With open distributions as gentoo or debian, it is quite easy to fulfill those 2 requirements for fvwm, because I think at someone that can configure fvwm will be able to maintain a fvwm package even if it will be a learning curve for that. Package management systems are not so hard to learn and fvwm is not so complicated to install. The most difficult think is in fact to install all the dependencies in the correct order, and it is a job that a package management system make very easy to do. If I look on gentoo, it can even be simpler to do an ebuild with the right dependencies, incorporate it in the portage tree and let portage do the job as to install the same program by hand. With commercial distributions, it is more complicated. As example Suse is very involved in kde development and it can be a political choice to not provide a decent fvwm version anymore. That even if yast is fvwm based. With those distributions, you have to look for an alternative rpm depository, or to provide one. Last, you can do you own install from the sources. Ciao, Dominique
Re: FVWM: Tcl's 'Iconwindow' not working with fvwm-2.5.18-1 (repost)
On 3/13/07, Robert Heller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:04:01 + seventh guardian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does it work when not using the module? That is, using fvwm's built-in iconbox style? I asked to see if it was a fvwm bug or just a module bug. Apparently the problem is just with the module, so things are narrowed out. This may be relevant: http://wiki.tcl.tk/270 Did not help me (other than tell me what I already know), except maybe FVWM 2.5's IconBox module just does not support icon windows, only static icon images (which is false, since it does seem to support FireFox's icon window, I think, unless FireFox is doing something terribly clever). OR Tcl is broken somehow. I really can't tell.. OK, after a bit of poking around in the FVWM 2.5.18 source code for the FvwmIconBox module (and not finding anything obvious), I'm still looking for a solution. I've created a minimual test case (binary for Linux x86 (using tclkit-linux-x86) and Tcl/Tk source code): http://www.deepsoft.com/minimualiconwindow-0.0-linux.tar.gz http://www.deepsoft.com/minimualiconwindow-0.0.tar.gz If anyone who knows the inner workings of the FvwmIconBox module AND knows about Tcl/Tk iconwindow functionallity can figure out what is going on, it would be helpful... I don't fit in any of those, but I can check the module's code. But I'm a bit (..ok, a lot! ) busy this month.. Cheers, Renato Caldas
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
One can easily install it to $HOME in those rare cases the sysadmin refuses to install it globally. Think about QUOTA spaces. Not the best, IMO.
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
Thomas, I think Fvwm-themes could be always together with Fvwm. A newbie has too much dificulty do strip interest parts of fvwm-themes. I tried to do it once and I couldn't. Since most screen-shots you present on fvwm.org make use of it, it almost doesn't make sense. But I don't want to make this discussion as long as other similar ones I have seen here. Sometimes fells like Fvwm bleeds for problems too easy to solve to justify, see!? Fvwm-themes, ALT+TAB thingy, a documentation project detached from the main website, also a wikipage... Kind regards. But to be honest, condensing something akin to fvwm-themes might be a better option.
Re: FVWM: FVWM should be shipped with...
On 3/13/07, Dedeco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One can easily install it to $HOME in those rare cases the sysadmin refuses to install it globally. Think about QUOTA spaces. Not the best, IMO. I personally have fvwm-cvs along with several other apps installed in my 50M quota at the university. 50M is really little space, specially considering you have all your configs/works there, but you can be clever. I have all the apps compressed upon logout and decompressed to /tmp upon login. Then I have the install prefix ($HOME/apps) linked to /tmp/apps, so everything should work perfectly. Or it should, if the sysadmins weren't so dumb (window$ fans..) that the computer freezes from time to time due to nfs connectivity problems. They can really get unusable, specially under heavy network load, so I finally decided to invest in a laptop. Too bad the course is almost finished So it's really just a matter of finding clever solutions to deal with dumb admins :) Cheers, Renato Caldas
Re: FVWM: Tcl's 'Iconwindow' not working with fvwm-2.5.18-1 (repost)
At Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:04:01 + seventh guardian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please do not repost.. (and sorry for the delay) On 2/21/07, Robert Heller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use several Tcl/Tk programs (exmh, plus some homegrown ones) that use Tcl's 'iconwindow' function to create dynamic window manager icons. I also use FVWM's IconBox module. Does it work when not using the module? That is, using fvwm's built-in iconbox style? For some reason, those applications that use Tcl's 'iconwindow' function, don't get their proper icons in the IconBox. Instead they get the 'default' generic icon. This *used* to work just fine back when I was using fvwm-2.4.mumble. What has changed? Do I need to add something to my .fvwmrc file? This may be relevant: http://wiki.tcl.tk/270 Did not help me (other than tell me what I already know), except maybe FVWM 2.5's IconBox module just does not support icon windows, only static icon images (which is false, since it does seem to support FireFox's icon window, I think, unless FireFox is doing something terribly clever). OK, after a bit of poking around in the FVWM 2.5.18 source code for the FvwmIconBox module (and not finding anything obvious), I'm still looking for a solution. I've created a minimual test case (binary for Linux x86 (using tclkit-linux-x86) and Tcl/Tk source code): http://www.deepsoft.com/minimualiconwindow-0.0-linux.tar.gz http://www.deepsoft.com/minimualiconwindow-0.0.tar.gz If anyone who knows the inner workings of the FvwmIconBox module AND knows about Tcl/Tk iconwindow functionallity can figure out what is going on, it would be helpful... Cheers Renato -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software-- Linux Installation and Administration http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Web Hosting, with CGI and Database [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Contract Programming: C/C++, Tcl/Tk
