java GUIs? Oh no, not again!

2007-11-27 Thread Harald Dunkel

Hi folks,

Running Netbeans or other Java applications there are
problems with autoraise and automatic input focus. It
doesn't work. All kinds of windows are managed as
expected, except for the Java GUIs. Using Gnome, KDE,
enlightenment or even good old vtwm there is no such
problem.

I saw this mentioned several times before, but there was
nothing helpful. (Or did I miss something?)

Is there any chance that you sit together with the Java
folks to get this problem solved?


Regards

Harri





Re: java GUIs? Oh no, not again!

2007-11-27 Thread Thomas Adam
Hello --

On 27/11/2007, Harald Dunkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi folks,

 Running Netbeans or other Java applications there are
 problems with autoraise and automatic input focus. It
 doesn't work. All kinds of windows are managed as
 expected, except for the Java GUIs. Using Gnome, KDE,
 enlightenment or even good old vtwm there is no such
 problem.

Right, and you would have seen various references pointing using
things like 'Lenience' as a style option which *might* help, but
there's no guarantee of that.

 Is there any chance that you sit together with the Java
 folks to get this problem solved?

We've tried before.  It's not something Sun seem to bothered to fix.

-- Thomas Adam



Re: java GUIs? Oh no, not again!

2007-11-27 Thread Harald Dunkel

Hi Thomas,

Thomas Adam wrote:


Right, and you would have seen various references pointing using
things like 'Lenience' as a style option which *might* help, but
there's no guarantee of that.



Of course I had tried

Style   NetBeans*   NeverFocus, Lenience

before. Sorry, I should have mentioned it in my first post.


Is there any chance that you sit together with the Java
folks to get this problem solved?


We've tried before.  It's not something Sun seem to bothered to fix.



Maybe they are more open if we can show that other window
managers need some dirty workarounds to manage Java GUIs,
or that AWT applications are not ICCCM compliant in general.


Regards

Harri