Re: [fw-general] Posible inclusion in ZendFramework?
Very interesting! I should like to see this thingy in action. The framework is component-based with loose coupling so those that do not use this would not have any over-head if it is included as a speciality component in the framework (similar to HTTP Server in the incubator tools). On 12/16/06, Chris Chabot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Bill, The use-case for such a framework would be anything requiring a very large amount of sockets. The library its self is not specifically only for use to make a http daemon, that's just a 'demo' of things you could make with it, the use for it is much more general. In my case I used it to make a IRC chat application (see: http://www.chabotc.nl/chat.png if your curious), where a daemon accepts "comet" connections on one end (see http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=545 for a nice writeup on "Whats comet"), it powers things like google talk in gmail, renkoo, Meeboo, Jot Live, etc (and also Oracle forinstance uses it to provide realtime stock or inventory events in their web apps). So I needed a library to deal with 1000's of 'always open' http (server) requests, and simultaneously an equal amount of irc (client) connections, no framework I found was flexible enough to deal with such an large amount of IO, or to deal with this mixing of client and server sockets, in one library (which you do need if your going to socket_select the whole lot of them). So that was my use-case, however many more can exist .. Jabber client connections, stock trading updates over a comet connections, web2.0 real time collaboration, writing an ftp server, or any kind of server really, where you want to be able to scale very well on relatively limited hardware. Basically anything where you want to implement a 'protocol handler' aka a tcp service, and as a added benefit your not restricted to server connections only, it will manage your client connections too. I have to admit this library is not the first thing that comes to mind when you speak of the average web developers, so I'm not sure if it fits the 80/20 rule. However when you want to make that little bit extra (such as real time chat, real time cooperation and interaction inside RIA's, etc) Regards, -- Chris Chabot -Original Message- From: Bill Karwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 20:25 To: Chris Chabot; Zend Framework General Subject: Re: [fw-general] Posible inclusion in ZendFramework? Hi Chris, Your project sounds very interesting. Currently we do have an implementation of an Http Server in the incubator (under the 'tools' directory) that has been contributed by a user. This tool is intended to be lightweight, for purposes of testing and development of Zend Framework applications. We would welcome hearing more detailed explanation of the use cases of your socket daemon with respect to possible usage in Zend Framework. So far, Zend Framework has not focused on technology like yours, but instead the Framework focuses on class libraries for web application developers. If you want to contribute to the Zend Framework project, the best thing to do is to submit a Contributor License Agreement (CLA) and then write a proposal. See http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFPROP/Home for examples of proposals, and information about creating a proposal for the Zend Framework. Thanks for the contribution offer! Let me know if you have further questions. Regards, Bill Karwin Chris Chabot wrote: > Hi All, > > I've just released a 'socket daemon' framework, which I've created as > a part of an open-source project I'm working on. > > With it you can handle hundreds to thousands of client and server > connections, asynchronously, with build in buffering, state handling, > etc. Implementing a new TCP client or server service (or a mix > thereof) with this library is very easy, and allows maximum > flexibility in your implementations. > > I was wondering if maybe the ZendFramework would be interested in > having such a library in the incubator, or if its to far out of spec > for the goals of the project. > > If interest does exist, I'd be happy to change the code to Zend's > specifications (some differences exist in function naming style) and > write up a full documentation for it, and submit it for inclusion. > > Download links and a bit of information can be found on: > http://www.chabotc.nl/phpsocketdaemon/ > > The tarbal includes a httpServer demo implementation to give more of > an idea how to use it and what its capable off. > > Thanks & Regards, > >-- Chris Chabot > >
Re: [fw-general] Posible inclusion in ZendFramework?
I've just released a 'socket daemon' framework, which I've created as a part of an open-source project I'm working on. With it you can handle hundreds to thousands of client and server connections, asynchronously, with build in buffering, state handling, etc. Implementing a new TCP client or server service (or a mix thereof) with this library is very easy, and allows maximum flexibility in your implementations. I think there is a need for such a component. If it is as captable as you wrote it could be the base layer for other components which are more specialized. For example the proposed jabber or a new ftp component. How ever... first propose the idea/class/usecases, maybe with the original code/link, so all see the benefit from it. This is the way components get integrated in our framework. Greetings Thomas
RE: [fw-general] Posible inclusion in ZendFramework?
Hi Bill, The use-case for such a framework would be anything requiring a very large amount of sockets. The library its self is not specifically only for use to make a http daemon, that's just a 'demo' of things you could make with it, the use for it is much more general. In my case I used it to make a IRC chat application (see: http://www.chabotc.nl/chat.png if your curious), where a daemon accepts "comet" connections on one end (see http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/?p=545 for a nice writeup on "Whats comet"), it powers things like google talk in gmail, renkoo, Meeboo, Jot Live, etc (and also Oracle forinstance uses it to provide realtime stock or inventory events in their web apps). So I needed a library to deal with 1000's of 'always open' http (server) requests, and simultaneously an equal amount of irc (client) connections, no framework I found was flexible enough to deal with such an large amount of IO, or to deal with this mixing of client and server sockets, in one library (which you do need if your going to socket_select the whole lot of them). So that was my use-case, however many more can exist .. Jabber client connections, stock trading updates over a comet connections, web2.0 real time collaboration, writing an ftp server, or any kind of server really, where you want to be able to scale very well on relatively limited hardware. Basically anything where you want to implement a 'protocol handler' aka a tcp service, and as a added benefit your not restricted to server connections only, it will manage your client connections too. I have to admit this library is not the first thing that comes to mind when you speak of the average web developers, so I'm not sure if it fits the 80/20 rule. However when you want to make that little bit extra (such as real time chat, real time cooperation and interaction inside RIA's, etc) Regards, -- Chris Chabot -Original Message- From: Bill Karwin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 20:25 To: Chris Chabot; Zend Framework General Subject: Re: [fw-general] Posible inclusion in ZendFramework? Hi Chris, Your project sounds very interesting. Currently we do have an implementation of an Http Server in the incubator (under the 'tools' directory) that has been contributed by a user. This tool is intended to be lightweight, for purposes of testing and development of Zend Framework applications. We would welcome hearing more detailed explanation of the use cases of your socket daemon with respect to possible usage in Zend Framework. So far, Zend Framework has not focused on technology like yours, but instead the Framework focuses on class libraries for web application developers. If you want to contribute to the Zend Framework project, the best thing to do is to submit a Contributor License Agreement (CLA) and then write a proposal. See http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFPROP/Home for examples of proposals, and information about creating a proposal for the Zend Framework. Thanks for the contribution offer! Let me know if you have further questions. Regards, Bill Karwin Chris Chabot wrote: > Hi All, > > I've just released a 'socket daemon' framework, which I've created as > a part of an open-source project I'm working on. > > With it you can handle hundreds to thousands of client and server > connections, asynchronously, with build in buffering, state handling, > etc. Implementing a new TCP client or server service (or a mix > thereof) with this library is very easy, and allows maximum > flexibility in your implementations. > > I was wondering if maybe the ZendFramework would be interested in > having such a library in the incubator, or if its to far out of spec > for the goals of the project. > > If interest does exist, I'd be happy to change the code to Zend's > specifications (some differences exist in function naming style) and > write up a full documentation for it, and submit it for inclusion. > > Download links and a bit of information can be found on: > http://www.chabotc.nl/phpsocketdaemon/ > > The tarbal includes a httpServer demo implementation to give more of > an idea how to use it and what its capable off. > > Thanks & Regards, > >-- Chris Chabot > >
Re: [fw-general] Posible inclusion in ZendFramework?
Hi Chris, Your project sounds very interesting. Currently we do have an implementation of an Http Server in the incubator (under the 'tools' directory) that has been contributed by a user. This tool is intended to be lightweight, for purposes of testing and development of Zend Framework applications. We would welcome hearing more detailed explanation of the use cases of your socket daemon with respect to possible usage in Zend Framework. So far, Zend Framework has not focused on technology like yours, but instead the Framework focuses on class libraries for web application developers. If you want to contribute to the Zend Framework project, the best thing to do is to submit a Contributor License Agreement (CLA) and then write a proposal. See http://framework.zend.com/wiki/display/ZFPROP/Home for examples of proposals, and information about creating a proposal for the Zend Framework. Thanks for the contribution offer! Let me know if you have further questions. Regards, Bill Karwin Chris Chabot wrote: Hi All, I've just released a 'socket daemon' framework, which I've created as a part of an open-source project I'm working on. With it you can handle hundreds to thousands of client and server connections, asynchronously, with build in buffering, state handling, etc. Implementing a new TCP client or server service (or a mix thereof) with this library is very easy, and allows maximum flexibility in your implementations. I was wondering if maybe the ZendFramework would be interested in having such a library in the incubator, or if its to far out of spec for the goals of the project. If interest does exist, I'd be happy to change the code to Zend's specifications (some differences exist in function naming style) and write up a full documentation for it, and submit it for inclusion. Download links and a bit of information can be found on: http://www.chabotc.nl/phpsocketdaemon/ The tarbal includes a httpServer demo implementation to give more of an idea how to use it and what its capable off. Thanks & Regards, -- Chris Chabot
[fw-general] Posible inclusion in ZendFramework?
Hi All, I've just released a 'socket daemon' framework, which I've created as a part of an open-source project I'm working on. With it you can handle hundreds to thousands of client and server connections, asynchronously, with build in buffering, state handling, etc. Implementing a new TCP client or server service (or a mix thereof) with this library is very easy, and allows maximum flexibility in your implementations. I was wondering if maybe the ZendFramework would be interested in having such a library in the incubator, or if its to far out of spec for the goals of the project. If interest does exist, I'd be happy to change the code to Zend's specifications (some differences exist in function naming style) and write up a full documentation for it, and submit it for inclusion. Download links and a bit of information can be found on: http://www.chabotc.nl/phpsocketdaemon/ The tarbal includes a httpServer demo implementation to give more of an idea how to use it and what its capable off. Thanks & Regards, -- Chris Chabot
Re: [fw-general] Code freeze 12/15 for ZF 0.6.0
Hi Bill I read your message after my last commits too... sorry. --- Best regards, Irina
Re: [fw-general] Code freeze 12/15 for ZF 0.6.0
Hi Bill, sorry, I read this mail after I just translated the last changes for Zend_Controller and Zend::Register/Registry done in SVN 2372 and 2390. I will stop translation now... Best Regards, Ralf
