Options for editing VHS movies on Lombard?
When in school, I had videos recorded of my lab classes. Of course they were done in VHS format. There are about 4 tapes, but the information is not organized. I would like to basically edit the clips and then put them on a CD. I don't have a DVD recorder so that option is out. What options do I have? What equipment / software do I need? I have a Powerbook Lombard with a firewire card. A 20 GB internal hard drive and a 20 GB expansion bay drive. Currently with Mac OS 9.2.2. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Mike __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Options for editing VHS movies on Lombard?
When in school, I had videos recorded of my lab classes. Of course they were done in VHS format. There are about 4 tapes, but the information is not organized. I would like to basically edit the clips and then put them on a CD. I don't have a DVD recorder so that option is out. What options do I have? What equipment / software do I need? I have a Powerbook Lombard with a firewire card. A 20 GB internal hard drive and a 20 GB expansion bay drive. Currently with Mac OS 9.2.2. Any information would be greatly appreciated. I use an iRez Capsure PCMCIA card. These are no longer available new, but plenty are on eBay. New, you could use iRez's Critter USBAV. I prefer the Capsure PC card as it generally offers better throughput and performance to USB input. Capsure is bundled with iRez ReelEyes (as are most iRez products) which does a decent capturing job at full frame rates. I get 16-bit color @ 720x576, or 24-bit at lower resolutions using MJPEG-B compression. The Lombard is fast enough to capture at 25fps PAL or 30fps NTSC. You need around 3.8GB for one hour of footage at this rate. You can use ReelEyes (quite a nice cut paste editor) or QT Pro to edit footage into the order you want it (ReelEyes can even edit MPEG, which QT can't). Once captured, you can export the material to a Toast VideoCD a number of ways: with the Toast export in QT; with Cleaner ($$$, but highest quality; it's what I use); or any other QT-capable video app. ReelEyes can also export to Toast VCD. A tip a QT pro gave me was to make QT's player window as large as possible before exporting to VCD. VCD is MPEG-1 format, which is lossy, but adequate. It means you can fit a full 74 or 80 minutes' worth of material on a single CD. The long process is converting to VCD. An hour or so of footage will take 17 hours to encode on a 233MHz G3, and a 200MHz 604e is the minimum. A G4 will take about 10 hours, give or take, depending on speed. Of course, VHS is VHS, so don't expect DV quality. I get acceptable quality from VHS and Betamax footage though. I wrote a longer version of this tutorial here: http://www.insanely-great.com/features/010503.html Cheers, RD Remy Davison Contributing Editor/News Editor, Insanely-Great Mac http://www.insanely-great.com mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RD's PowerBook page: http://www.macpowerbook.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Options for editing VHS movies on Lombard?
On 13/06/02 09:15, Remy Davison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip!] The long process is converting to VCD. An hour or so of footage will take 17 hours to encode on a 233MHz G3, and a 200MHz 604e is the minimum. A G4 will take about 10 hours, give or take, depending on speed. Of course, VHS is VHS, so don't expect DV quality. I get acceptable quality from VHS and Betamax footage though. [snip!] Wow! 17 hours on a 233 MHz G3, 10 hours on a G4? Wow! You ought to have a second computer to do something like that, or is the computer responsive enough that you can still work with it while it's doing its encoding? -Laurent. -- = Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA ** Usual disclaimers apply ** Blue Screen of Death n.: [common] This term is closely related to the older Black Screen of Death but much more common (many non-hackers have picked it up). Due to the extreme fragility and bugginess of Microsoft Windows, misbehaving applications can readily crash the OS (and the OS sometimes crashes itself spontaneously). The Blue Screen of Death, sometimes decorated with hex error codes, is what you get when this happens. (Commonly abbreviated BSOD.) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Options for editing VHS movies on Lombard?
On 13/06/02 09:15, Remy Davison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip!] Capsure is bundled with iRez ReelEyes (as are most iRez products) which does a decent capturing job at full frame rates. I get 16-bit color @ 720x576, or 24-bit at lower resolutions using MJPEG-B compression. The Lombard is fast enough to capture at 25fps PAL or 30fps NTSC. [snip!] Remy, I was playing yesterday evening with the CapSure with iRez. AFAIR, the highest resolution I could have was 640 x 480. That was on OS 9.2.2. How do you get 720 x 576? -Laurent. -- = Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA ** Usual disclaimers apply ** -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Options for editing VHS movies on Lombard?
Wow! 17 hours on a 233 MHz G3, 10 hours on a G4? Wow! You ought to have a second computer to do something like that, or is the computer responsive enough that you can still work with it while it's doing its encoding? Laurent, I do use a 2nd Mac. The Wallstreet's assigned that duty. The HD just goes to sleep and so does the screen. The CPU and the FW hard drive do all the work. Stays pretty cool. You can use the 'Book, but all that does is grind the encode to a halt. I haven't updated Cleaner to run it on X on the WS yet, but it's conceivable its multitasking would make it a possibility, although the CPU would be devoting fewer cycles to the encode. I'd rather let it sit. For cheap people, I usually get them a 604e 7300 or 8600 or something, and it becomes the standalone MPEG cruncher and VCD burner. If it's got a G3 card, good, all the better. It's cheaper than the $US3,000 or something you need for a real-time MPEG-1 hardware encoder. Of course, you could just by a new iMac, but I'm not convinced of the economics of burning VHS to DVD-R. DV, yes. Anyway, I've made about 200 or so VCDs, so not bad. Archive my tapes (the odd documentary I want to preserve on CD etc.). Of course, you can easily distribute copies (not piratically, of course) to your friends via CD that they can play on their DVD players. Someone wanted to see this Reagan doco the other day. I hate lending out tapes, 'cos you never get 'em back, so make a VCD and who cares? Once you have your master CD, Toast can copy the contents (even if burned as session) as a disc image and burn a new VCD. So you don't need to retain a hard disk copy of the original 700MB MPEG, for example. Of course, a gold/silver, good-quality CD is recommended for your master. Two of them if it's really precious. I was playing yesterday evening with the CapSure with iRez. AFAIR, the highest resolution I could have was 640 x 480. That was on OS 9.2.2. How do you get 720 x 576? ReelEyes only does 640x480. I use FCP for bigger (well, I use it for most things, actually). It just captures better for some reason (why it costs so much, I guess). If I go bigger than 720, the Lombard starts dropping frames, although I haven't tried lower bit depths (there's enough graininess in VHS as it is). Anyway, MPEG-1 takes it back to 320x240 and then I watch the VCD @ 1024x768 anyhow. To reierate, QT and M-Pack MPEG-1 encoding were, IMHO, crap. Especally MPack. Good thing they don't sell it anymore. Cheers, RD Remy Davison Contributing Editor/News Editor, Insanely-Great Mac http://www.insanely-great.com mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RD's PowerBook page: http://www.macpowerbook.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Stalling HD in Wallstreet
After the HD had spun up and then stalled, could you tell that it was still spinning or did it spin down/halt spinning? In the old days, we had some HDs that wouldn't start spinning and the problem was supposedly due to hard drive spindle lubricant coagulation. Taking the drive out and rotating it rapidly about the spindle axis (snapping our wrists) sometimes (temporarily) fixed that problem. That is probably not what you are experiencing since your HD did spin up, something ours failed to do (and we've not seen this problem at work in years). 1 1/2 cents Steve K. -Original Message- From: Marty Lindower [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 11:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Stalling HD in Wallstreet Hi all- I recently had a reoccurrence of a problem I ran into about 9 mo. ago, and hope you can help. My PB froze the other day, a fairly rare occurrence. I restarted it , but the HD spun up, ran for maybe 5-10 seconds, then just stalled, leaving me with a question-mark disk on the screen. I had to pull the plug and pop out the battery to shut down. Kept doing this, til I gave it a few hours 'rest'. Now I'm backing it up to my G4, before I lose anything. Ive got an IBM 10 gig HD which I replaced under warrantee for the same problem last time, but I suspect now that the HD itself isn't the problem. Could it be a heat issue? The fan had kicked on, but after I ejected my Capsure video card, it ran a few minutes then kicked off. I tried pressing on as many connectors and plugs as I could find to make sure they're all seated properly, but I don't know yet if that's it. Any ideas? TIA, Marty Lindower [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Options for editing VHS movies
On 13/06/02 13:43, Kathryn Odell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you can play a video cd on a dvd player? Do you just send it out from iMovie as quicktime for a cd? Kate The best option would be to use some analog to digital bridge, like Dazzle Hollywood, to bring the video onto your Lombard. Then, you could be able to edit it in iMovie. Finally, using Toast, with a CD-RW, you could write those movies as VCDs, that are playable in almost every domestic DVD player, as well as in all CD-ROM drive on various computers. No, you cannot use only iMovie or QuickTime to burn a VideoCD (VCD). Remy did provide some software that would do it in a previous message. In my case, I would use Roxio Toast Titanium, which has the ability to burn VideoCD. -Laurent. -- = Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA ** Usual disclaimers apply ** drone n.: Ignorant sales or customer service personnel in computer or electronics superstores. Characterized by a lack of even superficial knowledge about the products they sell, yet possessed of the conviction that they are more competent than their hacker customers. Usage: That video board probably sucks, it was recommended by a drone at Fry's In the year 2000, their natural habitats include Fry's Electronics, Best Buy, and CompUSA. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Options for editing VHS movies
Thanks for the info. I've been looking for an excuse to upgrade to Toast Titanium! Kate No, you cannot use only iMovie or QuickTime to burn a VideoCD (VCD). Remy did provide some software that would do it in a previous message. In my case, I would use Roxio Toast Titanium, which has the ability to burn VideoCD. -Laurent. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
does my wallstreet 266 have a fan?
I don't even know if my wallstreet had a fan. It's a 266 Mhz 1998 model. If it had a fan would I hear it? Now I'm worrying about whether the fan that I may not have may not be working... I definitely need to get out more. -- Andrew King Ann Arbor Michigan technology is the answer, what was the question? Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:27:11 -0400 From: Marty Lindower [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Stalling HD in Wallstreet Could it be a heat issue? The fan had kicked on, but after I ejected my Capsure video card, it ran a few minutes then kicked off. Marty Lindower [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: does my wallstreet 266 have a fan?
On 13/06/02 15:04, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't even know if my wallstreet had a fan. It's a 266 Mhz 1998 model. If it had a fan would I hear it? Now I'm worrying about whether the fan that I may not have may not be working... I definitely need to get out more. Your Wallstreet has definitely a fan. Now, is it working? That's a good question. It's my understanding that under OS 8 or 9, the fan almost never runs. Under OS X, that's a different story as some users reported after using their Wallstreet on a bed, in doing so preventing any ventilation, that the fan did start and run. But your Wallstreet had definitely one when it left the manufacture. -Laurent. -- = Laurent Daudelin Developer, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA ** Usual disclaimers apply ** Gang of Four n.: (also abbreviated `GOF') [prob. a play on the `Gang Of Four' who briefly ran Communist China after the death of Mao T'se Tung] Describes either the authors or the book Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software published in 1995 by Addison-Wesley (ISBN 0-201-63361-2). The authors forming the Gang Of Four are Erich Gamma, Richard Helm, Ralph Johnson and John Vlissides. They are also sometimes referred to as `Gamma et. al.' The authors state at http://www.hillside.net/patterns/DPBook/GOF.html Why are we ... called this? Who knows. Somehow the name just stuck. The term is also used to describe any of the design patterns that are used in the book, referring to the patterns within it as `Gang Of Four Patterns.' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Fussy iBook CD-ROM drive
on 6/13/02 1:52 PM, G-Books at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually don't know *what* it was that I did that made it come out normally). I'm guessing some internal mechanism must be sticking; any ideas? Would something as simple as a shot of WD40 take care of it? I certainly don't want to damage any CDs, or the drive itself, with all this pushing and pulling. DO NOT use a lubricant on that drive. Send it in for repair. I bought the iBook second hand. I do know that it was originally purchased in May 2001. Any idea how Apple handles warranties with second-hand purchases? -- *** Amber Rhea *** [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tangerinecs.com /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / No HTML/RTF in email X No Word docs in email / \ Respect open standards! -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Re: Fussy iBook CD-ROM drive
They handle them just like original purchaser. I bought my Wallstreet in 99, the original buyer had purchased a 3 year warranty, which has just expired. I sent it in for power supply, pram, and hinges. They treated me right! They'll ask for the original warranty on your first time in and re-register it in your name. Apple warranty work is a good experience. I bought the iBook second hand. I do know that it was originally purchased in May 2001. Any idea how Apple handles warranties with second-hand purchases? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
Pismo battery loose in battery bay--normal?
I just purchased a PB G3 Pismo from someone. I really didn't notice it at the time I was checking out the laptop, but after taking the laptop home, I discovered the battery is slightly loose in the battery bay. Now all it does is slightly move side to side (kinda jiggles). But it is locked in the bay and I don't think it will fall out. Now what I want to know is if this is normal? I've owned a Lombard and a Powerbook 2400c and both of their batteries are not that loose (actually don't move at all). Am I just being picky? Are your Pismo batteries snug in their bays? Is there some reason for me to be concerned? Is the world flat??? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Mike __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ Using a Mac? Free email more at Applelinks! http://www.applelinks.com
