Re: iTunes Importing

2003-06-08 Thread Dan Knight
On 6/7/03 1:20 AM, Clyde Kahrl posted:

   I find it interesting that there are complaints about MP3 
Quality.  I remember when CDs first came out.  They were really 
really awful.  Portions of some recordings sounded like fingernails 
on chalkboards to me.
 This is because taking good music and converting it to digital 
seriously degrades the recording--particularly when you only sample 
at 44khz.

Nonsense. It's because digital recording, mastering, and playback were in 
their infancy. The engineers were learning as they went along. Just as 
some of the early half-speed mastered LPs were horrid, once the engineers 
learned how the process differed from what they had done before, things 
got a whole lot better.

Oversampling can produce a superior product, but you have to remember 
that the playback system only handles 14 bits per channel at 44 KHz, most 
audio hardware is only designed for the 20 Hz to 20 KHz range, and few 
speakers have decent response beyond about 12-15 KHz -- the upper limit 
of hearing for most of us and one-third the sampling rate of CDs.

There's nothing inherent in the process of digitizing sound that degrades 
things. Just pop a CD of the Beatles or old analog material from Elvis, 
the Beach Boys, Sinatra, or the Stones to hear how much better old music 
can sound when it's been properly remastered for digital media.

Over time, these have improved but modern CDs are still 
not comparable to the output of modest hi-fi equipment from the late 
70s.

Yes, the days of Shure cartridges, Dolby B noise reduction, paper cone 
drivers, and 18 gauge speaker wire. I sold high end audio on the early 
1980s, and I can tell you that Bose makes a desktop radio today that 
sounds better than some of the $5,000-plus audio systems I sold -- and 
you don't need to be sitting in the right spot in an optimized room to 
benefit from the sound.

   Some MP3s really stink because of the really awful encoding 
out there.   I have never encoded using iTunes, so I don't know if it 
is reasonably good or not at encoding.  I would think you would want 
variable bit rate and so forth--and I'm not sure it has that.  And I 
don't know how to control the dynamic range.

First, there's no reason to control the dynamic range, since that's 
already established by the CD you're acquiring the sound from. Second, 
you can select one of three default encoding rates (128, 160, or 192 
Kbps) or choose a custom setting that lets you specify the bit rate 
between 16 and 320 Kbps, enable variable bit rate, choose from 7 quality 
settings, pick a sampling rate between 8 and 48 KHz, and filter subsonics 
(10 Hz and lower).

Some MP3s stink because people don't understand the process. Sure, a 64 
Kbps file will be small and load quickly, but it's not going to sound 
very good. And some types of music are more demanding of even higher 
quality than others.

   I suspect it's a lot like digital photography.  Every time 
you go through some digital conversion process you lose a whole bunch 
of information/data/whatever.  Maybe if you went direct from mike to 
MP3 you would have less of a problem than going from CD to MP3.

Digital photography suffers primarily from its reliance on JPEGs, which 
are not only lossy, but only support 8 bits per color channel. 24-bit 
color is fine for output on your computer screen, but you tend to lose 
detail in bright areas and shadows. However, most digicams let you decide 
whether to record in JPEG format or something better, such as RAW or 
TIFF. The amount of information lost depends on your settings, as is true 
of digital recording and MP3 compression.

Recording directly to MP3 doesn't strike me as a particularly smart thing 
if you want quality. Just as taking a digital picture with high JPEG 
compression creates a noisy photo, MP3 is also a lossy compression 
scheme. It's the nature of lossy compression schemes to create an 
inferior product, but there's nothing inherent in the digitization 
process itself that necessarily creates an inferior image or sound file.

   But when you say that MP3s are bad, I can't help but suggest 
that CDs are bad, so what do you want?

I'd like a reality check. Stop listening like an engineer. Listen like a 
fan or a musician. It may break you of the endless upgrade cycle of the 
audiophile snob -- the kind of people I used to make good money from.

The first rule of audiophile sales is that every improvement leads to 
another, because each better component magnifies the minuscule flaws in 
other components in the system. In reality, few audiophiles are ever 
completely satisfied -- yet most average consumers are.

There is such a thing as being too picky for your own good.

Dan the listmom, retired audiophile


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Re: Cheap 802.11b (AirPort compatible) hub

2003-06-08 Thread Andrew

 Checking on 802.11g stuff from Belkin -- top rated in the recent Macworld
 for throughput, btw -- I found a link for refurbished hardware available
 directly from Belkin.

 http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatSectionView.process?Section_Id=1982

 Choose Network. Item is Wireless Cable/DSL Gateway Router F5D6230rw3

 Would you believe an 802.11b (AirPort compatible) switched router for $50
 plus $7.50 shipping? I've been having problems with my Hawking router,
 ordered the Belkin, and set it up yesterday. It's nice to have AirPort,
 even nicer to have what may be a more reliable router.



Now, I feel bad for not sharing.  They had a 50% off coupon for all of their
refurbished stuff about two months ago. I bought a USB 2.0 hub for $10, two
wireless PCI adapters for about $15 each, and two USB bluetooth adapters for
$12.
They have a good price on their Wireless USB Network Adapter and it includes
Mac drivers.

Andrew



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Re: Apple Authorized Reseller/Apple Specialist Question

2003-06-08 Thread Michelle Klein-Hass
On Saturday 07 June 2003 10:12 pm, Peter Graening wrote:
  Yes, you can place a phone order with Smalldog, even if you have never
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Re: iTunes Importing

2003-06-08 Thread Don
Dan...

Thanks for the information contained in this post. I just bought OS X;
wanting access to the latest iTunes and the Apple music store pushed me over
the edge. (I am also looking for a good new or used burner on eBay and will
get an iPod, too.) I have been concerned about losing a lot of sound quality
in downloads compared to commercial disc and this information makes me feel
a little better about the the process. I am not and never have been a snobby
audiophile. (I still use my middle-of-the-road-when-new Kenwood KR 4070 and
Infinity Qe speakers and admit to still enjoying the warmth found in vinyl
when played on a reasonably decent system). But the thought of losing
sound in the download process, even if it is an imperceptible loss, doesn't
sit well with me for some reason. So the better quality of download, the
better I will feel about it.

Don

Dan Knight wrote:

 On 6/7/03 1:20 AM, Clyde Kahrl posted:

I find it interesting that there are complaints about MP3
 Quality.  I remember when CDs first came out.  They were really
 really awful.  Portions of some recordings sounded like fingernails
 on chalkboards to me.
  This is because taking good music and converting it to digital
 seriously degrades the recording--particularly when you only sample
 at 44khz.

 Nonsense. It's because digital recording, mastering, and playback were in
 their infancy. The engineers were learning as they went along. Just as
 some of the early half-speed mastered LPs were horrid, once the engineers
 learned how the process differed from what they had done before, things
 got a whole lot better.

 Oversampling can produce a superior product, but you have to remember
 that the playback system only handles 14 bits per channel at 44 KHz, most
 audio hardware is only designed for the 20 Hz to 20 KHz range, and few
 speakers have decent response beyond about 12-15 KHz -- the upper limit
 of hearing for most of us and one-third the sampling rate of CDs.

 There's nothing inherent in the process of digitizing sound that degrades
 things. Just pop a CD of the Beatles or old analog material from Elvis,
 the Beach Boys, Sinatra, or the Stones to hear how much better old music
 can sound when it's been properly remastered for digital media.

 Over time, these have improved but modern CDs are still
 not comparable to the output of modest hi-fi equipment from the late
 70s.

 Yes, the days of Shure cartridges, Dolby B noise reduction, paper cone
 drivers, and 18 gauge speaker wire. I sold high end audio on the early
 1980s, and I can tell you that Bose makes a desktop radio today that
 sounds better than some of the $5,000-plus audio systems I sold -- and
 you don't need to be sitting in the right spot in an optimized room to
 benefit from the sound.

Some MP3s really stink because of the really awful encoding
 out there.   I have never encoded using iTunes, so I don't know if it
 is reasonably good or not at encoding.  I would think you would want
 variable bit rate and so forth--and I'm not sure it has that.  And I
 don't know how to control the dynamic range.

 First, there's no reason to control the dynamic range, since that's
 already established by the CD you're acquiring the sound from. Second,
 you can select one of three default encoding rates (128, 160, or 192
 Kbps) or choose a custom setting that lets you specify the bit rate
 between 16 and 320 Kbps, enable variable bit rate, choose from 7 quality
 settings, pick a sampling rate between 8 and 48 KHz, and filter subsonics
 (10 Hz and lower).

 Some MP3s stink because people don't understand the process. Sure, a 64
 Kbps file will be small and load quickly, but it's not going to sound
 very good. And some types of music are more demanding of even higher
 quality than others.

I suspect it's a lot like digital photography.  Every time
 you go through some digital conversion process you lose a whole bunch
 of information/data/whatever.  Maybe if you went direct from mike to
 MP3 you would have less of a problem than going from CD to MP3.

 Digital photography suffers primarily from its reliance on JPEGs, which
 are not only lossy, but only support 8 bits per color channel. 24-bit
 color is fine for output on your computer screen, but you tend to lose
 detail in bright areas and shadows. However, most digicams let you decide
 whether to record in JPEG format or something better, such as RAW or
 TIFF. The amount of information lost depends on your settings, as is true
 of digital recording and MP3 compression.

 Recording directly to MP3 doesn't strike me as a particularly smart thing
 if you want quality. Just as taking a digital picture with high JPEG
 compression creates a noisy photo, MP3 is also a lossy compression
 scheme. It's the nature of lossy compression schemes to create an
 inferior product, but there's nothing inherent in the digitization
 process itself that necessarily creates an inferior image or sound file.

But when you say 

Re: iTunes Importing

2003-06-08 Thread Tivo
 I have never encoded using iTunes, so I don't know if it
 is reasonably good or not at encoding.  I would think you would want
 variable bit rate and so forth--and I'm not sure it has that.  And I
 don't know how to control the dynamic range.
 
 First, there's no reason to control the dynamic range, since that's
 already established by the CD you're acquiring the sound from. Second,
 you can select one of three default encoding rates (128, 160, or 192
 Kbps)

Which kbps setting is best for input to iTunes of OTC jazz CDs?

I know very little about this, but was recently fiddling with the
possibilities and saw the above choices.


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Re: iTunes Importing

2003-06-08 Thread Matt Peacock
Which kbps setting is best for input to iTunes of OTC jazz CDs?

It all depends what you are listening to the music through, how much 
you appreciate audio quality and how much space you have on your hard 
drive/iPod.

It's very hard to give a definitive answer to this sort of question.

Matt

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Re: Apple Authorized Reseller/Apple Specialist Question

2003-06-08 Thread P . F . Grenier
On Sunday, Jun 8, 2003, at 10:38 US/Eastern, Michelle Klein-Hass wrote:

On Saturday 07 June 2003 10:12 pm, Peter Graening wrote:
Yes, you can place a phone order with Smalldog, even if you have 
never
ordered from them before.  I would recommend them.
I was planning on PowerMax, but Small Dog seems just as good.  But 
they're
out in the woods, or so they say.  Does this delay the shipping too 
much?
No, Small Dog delivered quickly and cheerfully. I now own a Lucent 
WaveLAN
Silver card which cost me the lordly sum of $20 plus $7 shipping. The
IOExperts 802.11b driver for MacOS 9 seems to kick the card over 
nicely, but
I need to test it with a Wireless Access Point.

That should work with the Airport SW. Mine did in my Wallstreet.

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Re: iTunes Importing

2003-06-08 Thread P . F . Grenier
On Sunday, Jun 8, 2003, at 07:02 US/Eastern, Dan Knight wrote:

I'd like a reality check. Stop listening like an engineer. Listen like 
a
fan or a musician. It may break you of the endless upgrade cycle of the
audiophile snob -- the kind of people I used to make good money from.

The first rule of audiophile sales is that every improvement leads to
another, because each better component magnifies the minuscule flaws 
in
other components in the system. In reality, few audiophiles are ever
completely satisfied -- yet most average consumers are.

There is such a thing as being too picky for your own good.

Dan the listmom, retired audiophile

Interesting, Dan. I'm in the same boat. I bought a mid-end system a few 
years ago. I must say I did notice a great difference from a Circuit 
City system. That said, I really didn't notice much difference between 
my mid setup and the high end stuff I heard. There is definitely a 
point of diminishing returns for your $$$.
Critical listening shouldn't include a PC or the MP3 at all. That is a 
format of convenience, not quality.
I have found the human ear to be very forgiving. When I first got my 
car I didn't like the sound system, now I love it. The ear adapts.

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Re: iTunes Importing

2003-06-08 Thread Eugene Lee
On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 04:56:30PM +0100, Matt Peacock wrote:
: Tivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked:
: 
: Which kbps setting is best for input to iTunes of OTC jazz CDs?
: 
: It all depends what you are listening to the music through, how much 
: you appreciate audio quality and how much space you have on your hard 
: drive/iPod.

It also depends on the type of jazz music as well.  For example, acid
jazz is pretty wild stuff compared to other forms which are usually more
subtle.

: It's very hard to give a definitive answer to this sort of question.

True.  To the untrained ear, MP3s ripped at 128 kbps CBR with joint
stereo is good enough for many of the masses.  More pickier people will
go with 192 kbps or even 256 kbps and switch to normal stereo.


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Wallstreet cooling fan

2003-06-08 Thread Christopher Hack
Stripping down my WallStreet to replace a damaged PCMCIA cage, I
discovered it has a cooling fan. I have never heard this operate, and the
machine does get very hot. Could it be that it is so quiet that I can't hear
it, or do these fans often fail? Or has it never got hot enough to turn the
fan on? Apreciate any guidance.

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Re: Wallstreet cooling fan

2003-06-08 Thread P . F . Grenier
On Sunday, Jun 8, 2003, at 13:37 US/Eastern, Christopher Hack wrote:

Stripping down my WallStreet to replace a damaged PCMCIA cage, I
discovered it has a cooling fan. I have never heard this operate, 
and the
machine does get very hot. Could it be that it is so quiet that I 
can't hear
it, or do these fans often fail? Or has it never got hot enough to 
turn the
fan on? Apreciate any guidance.

Chris

If you press the reset sequence listed on the back panel of the WS the 
fan should briefly kick on.

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Re: Apple Authorized Reseller/Apple Specialist Question

2003-06-08 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 10:16  PM, Gary D. Adams wrote:

Both Powermax and Smalldog are good. I've bought from both. Shipping 
almost always seems to be faster and cheaper though from Powermax. It 
takes time to get anything to anywhere in Vermont. ;-)
Depends on where you are, I'd expect...I've never had anything take 
longer to get from Smalldog than anywhere else I've ordered from. Good 
folks, I'd recommend them.

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Re: Apple Authorized Reseller/Apple Specialist Question

2003-06-08 Thread Michelle Klein-Hass
On Sunday 08 June 2003 09:40 am, P.F.Grenier wrote:

 That should work with the Airport SW. Mine did in my Wallstreet.

I don't know what version of MacOS 9.x you were using, but in 9.1 it didn't 
kick on with AirPort. I downloaded Lucent's drivers for the thing via 
VersionTracker and got a positive 1,010 error, whatever the heck that is.  
The IOXperts driver seems to be the most recently updated of the drivers 
suggested for it in 9.x so it seems to play well with 9.1

Yeah, it's payware. But if it works, I'll pay.

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Re: iTunes Importing

2003-06-08 Thread matt dudek
On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 04:33  pm, Tivo wrote:

Which kbps setting is best for input to iTunes of OTC jazz CDs?

I know very little about this, but was recently fiddling with the
possibilities and saw the above choices.
While all replies about how hard to answer this question are, the 
simple answer, which i think is all you were looking for is, that AAC @ 
128 kbps is a very good rate for the average listener, and better than 
mp3 @ 128kbps.

I believe that apple says that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is equivalent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

i hope that helps. I used to encode my mp3's at 160kbps, and I was 
pretty happy with that, and I have been pleased with AAC at 128kbps. I 
think the best thing you could do would be trial and error though.

Cheers,
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Re: Apple Authorized Reseller/Apple Specialist Question

2003-06-08 Thread Gary D. Adams
I like SmallDog. It's just that from just about everywhere else I can 
have products if not the next day in two days. That just isn't possible 
(in my experience) from SmallDog.

Gary

Bruce Johnson wrote:
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 10:16  PM, Gary D. Adams wrote:

Both Powermax and Smalldog are good. I've bought from both. Shipping 
almost always seems to be faster and cheaper though from Powermax. It 
takes time to get anything to anywhere in Vermont. ;-)


Depends on where you are, I'd expect...I've never had anything take 
longer to get from Smalldog than anywhere else I've ordered from. Good 
folks, I'd recommend them.



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Re: Apple Authorized Reseller/Apple Specialist Question

2003-06-08 Thread Kyle Hansen
On 6/8/03 5:11 PM, Gary D. Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Spew into the
Cybertrough:

 I like SmallDog. It's just that from just about everywhere else I can
 have products if not the next day in two days. That just isn't possible
 (in my experience) from SmallDog.

If you are buying a new machine it really doesn't matter where you go.  The
prices are fixed to within a few dollars no matter where you buy.  There is
no margin to play with on Apple products.  I always walked into a CompUSA or
an Apple Store and bought my new units.  They're all shipped directly and
Apple has the warranty so who cares?  Why pay shipping?  Save yourself $50.

I like Smalldog as well, but only for 2nd Run and closeout stuff.

Kyle H. Hansen
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Re: Apple Authorized Reseller/Apple Specialist Question

2003-06-08 Thread Scott Crick
On 6/8/03 3:16 PM, Michelle Klein-Hass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 a positive 1,010 error, whatever the heck that is

Usually, that indicates a programming error where the developer didn't link
to a shared library correctly. The software is looking for something that
isn't installed on your computer (for whatever reason), something that is
necessary for the software to function correctly. There is a way, when
compiling the application, to force that type of code to be built into the
application. It sounds like the developer for this software didn't do that,
so the software is looking for what it needs elsewhere and can't find it.

So, long story short, it's probably not your fault. ;-)

Sincerely,

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17 Powerbook

2003-06-08 Thread Nick
Could anyone using a 17 Powerbook comment what they like and don't like
about it.  Defects?  Problems?  Prices have come down C$600 on the 17, sooo
I'm thinking about getting one.  Using a Pismo 500/1Gig/40Gig now.

N


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Re: iTunes Importing

2003-06-08 Thread Tivo

 On Sunday, June 8, 2003, at 04:33  pm, Tivo wrote:
 
 Which kbps setting is best for input to iTunes of OTC jazz CDs?
 
 I know very little about this, but was recently fiddling with the
 possibilities and saw the above choices.
 
 While all replies about how hard to answer this question are, the
 simple answer, which i think is all you were looking for is, that AAC @
 128 kbps is a very good rate for the average listener, and better than
 mp3 @ 128kbps.
 
 I believe that apple says that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is equivalent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 i hope that helps. I used to encode my mp3's at 160kbps, and I was
 pretty happy with that, and I have been pleased with AAC at 128kbps. I
 think the best thing you could do would be trial and error though.
 
 Cheers,
 matt
 
Thanks. It was, and is, set at 160kbps, but I noticed the possible settings
and wondered... I haven't been unhappy with iTunes playing or the burning
results, but there's always room for improvement.

To answer some questions, I'm using a pair of AC-driven medium size Labtec
speakers, and with a splitter also placed a pair of cheapo pawn shop
additions low and behind the Pismo (on a raised platform, with an Adesso
keyboard below). The sound is... Music, and I'm grateful for what I have.

The sound in my auto is less acceptable, though the speakers cost me $100
(Kickers); the Labtecs were $30 or so. I was told that an amp in the auto
would help, but the CD player was $300, so this s--t is getting out of hand
(for my style). Would an amp do it? If so, I'll perhaps get one a bit down
the road. I got disgusted with the sound after the size of the investment.
As it is, I'm also grateful for the sound in the auto!   T


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