Re: Running Yellow Dog Linux on a 400 MHz PowerBook G3 Pismo

2004-03-22 Thread chueewowee


21/3/04 11:46 am -0500 G-Books  Andrew Kershaw  wrote:

Who cares _why_ he wants to use Linux?!  Sorry, but answers like that
really get under my skin.
Is this an honest question or just your own rhettoric He does, the person 
who asked the question, and I guess the person who wants it.

Sorry, but indignation like yours could get under my skin. I don't let it, 
but I thought you might like to know.


There are plenty of reasons why a person might want to use Linux
instead of OS X.
You may know all he reasons, that person was enquiring. SO he just asked a 
polite question, what were the reasons, given that he thought OS X is the 
best.

regards, John

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Re: Trying to go wireless with Pismo

2004-03-22 Thread Kris McGrath
I have a D-Link 614+, and I am using a HEX key.  I found a reference on
their sight saying if you want to use encryption with Apple, you MUST
precede the key with a $ to connect.  Don't know if this is of any use to
you.  Like I said, I intentionally enabled WEP.

Kris


Am running Jaguar, and have a Dell TrueMobile 1150 card. Can't get it 
configured to pick up wireless D-Link router. On wireless software 
driver I downloaded it asks for Hex key? I am simply getting this one 
Pismo to connect. Can anyone help? Thanks.


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X stuff.

2004-03-22 Thread Frank Cornew
Does anyone know of a utility that makes the trash confirmation 
dialog list the files that are about to be deleted (copy agent/speed 
doubler used to do this under OS9)

Also miss the ability of 9 to list multiple info windows about files. 
Under X all we get is a single window listing common aspects of a 
group of files. Any known workaround?

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Re: Pismo daughter card

2004-03-22 Thread Laurent Daudelin
On 22/03/04 09:51, cwr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can anyone tell me the difference between the processor card and the
 daughter card in a G3/500 Powerbook? What are the signs of failure of
 either?

On a Pismo, the processor card *IS* the daughtercard. Signs of failure are
very diverse, from random freeze to the Pismo refusing to boot. Sometimes,
just reseating the daughtercard will do the trick...

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Re: Pismo daughter card

2004-03-22 Thread earthyfemme
Laurent,

Could you define 'reseat' please?

V. Lee

-Original Message-
From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mar 22, 2004 10:14 AM
To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pismo daughter card

On 22/03/04 09:51, cwr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can anyone tell me the difference between the processor card and the
 daughter card in a G3/500 Powerbook? What are the signs of failure of
 either?

On a Pismo, the processor card *IS* the daughtercard. Signs of failure are
very diverse, from random freeze to the Pismo refusing to boot. Sometimes,
just reseating the daughtercard will do the trick...

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Re: Pismo daughter card

2004-03-22 Thread Laurent Daudelin
As you may or may not know, the daughtercard is snapped or clipped onto
the motherboard using a multitude of little pins. As your PowerBook is
carried, bumped, hit, etc., some of those pins may start loosing contact in
an intermittent way, causing random crashes or lock-ups.

Reseating is the operation where you open your Pismo by pulling the
keyboard. Then, you remove the shield and you then have access to the
daughtercard. You then gently but firmly pry the daughtercard and put it
back while making sure that it's properly snapped or clipped.

At some point, I had a similar problem with my Pismo. I thought that the
processor had been going bad. Symptoms included not able to start the
computer. The keyboard would be active, e.g. pressing Caps Lock would lit
up the key, but that's as far as I could go. Before sending it for service,
I reseated the daughtercard and never had problems since then.

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On 22/03/04 10:58, earthyfemme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Laurent,
 
 Could you define 'reseat' please?
 
 V. Lee
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Laurent Daudelin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Mar 22, 2004 10:14 AM
 To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Pismo daughter card
 
 On 22/03/04 09:51, cwr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Can anyone tell me the difference between the processor card and the
 daughter card in a G3/500 Powerbook? What are the signs of failure of
 either?
 
 On a Pismo, the processor card *IS* the daughtercard. Signs of failure are
 very diverse, from random freeze to the Pismo refusing to boot. Sometimes,
 just reseating the daughtercard will do the trick...
 
 -Laurent.




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Re: how to on Terminal?

2004-03-22 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Mar 21, 2004, at 7:46 PM, Hector I Macedo wrote:

Jan, thanks a lot.
There's also a setting in terminal Window settings (under the shell 
menu) to close the window if the session exited cleanly. Select that 
and click the 'Use settings as Defaults' button. That keeps zombe 
terminal windows from cluttering up your desktop (I often have anywhere 
from three to eight terminal windows open. Expose is a godsend for me!) 
and keeps you from having to click it closed.

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Black coating replacement?

2004-03-22 Thread COCCORP

Hi G3-Gang,

I recently reconstructed a Wallstreet; everything is great BUT the bottom of the 'book 
is scratched up and has lost alot of the black/gray coating, and the silver is showing 
thru...

Is there any way to repair this?

Thanks,

Craig W.
Atlanta GA

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Re: Black coating replacement?

2004-03-22 Thread P. H. Adams
On Mar 22, 2004, at 7:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I recently reconstructed a Wallstreet; everything is great BUT the 
bottom of the 'book is scratched up and has lost alot of the 
black/gray coating, and the silver is showing thru...

Is there any way to repair this?

I think pbparts.com is going to be your best bet. Don't know if you can 
get a repair kit for this (you can always ask), but you can buy a 
replacement WS bottom for $49.

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Scanner repetition?

2004-03-22 Thread invicta
Hello All,

Not long ago I posted a query but did not get any reaction. Probably 
wrongly worded. So I will refraze:

Setup: DSL modem  Wan port of Airbase Extreme  LAN to ethernet hub 
connecting to the cabled homenet. The Airport Extreme has a UBS Printer 
outlet. Connecting my Canon i550 BJ printer works smoothly and the 
machine is shared in the network.

So I tried to connect the Canon 500F scanner through the intermediary 
of a USB hub with the printer to the printer outlet of the base 
station. No response. How can I connect the scanner permanently to my 
network.

 My computer is a 17 PB elevated to desktop status bij a Griifin 
iCurve assisted by a wireless keyboard and Pro mouse but on the move as 
well so I would not like to use its USB port for the scanner.

Can anyone offer a solution?

TIA and greetings, Andre.

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DVD/CDRW MCE

2004-03-22 Thread Russell G Marquardt
Does any one know what the drive is that was used in the DVD/CD RW by 
MCE in its
expansion bay product ?  The CD/CD RW was a Toshibia SR-C8102.

Russ

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OT...Any North Dakota listers???

2004-03-22 Thread kochkodin
Please excuse then OT but I need to know if there are any list mambers 
in the Grand Forks N.D. area?  My son may be moving to the Uof ND-- 
Grand Forks in a few weeks and need to get some info...rents 
etc...Please contact me off list..
Apologies to the list.. and
Regards,
Mike Kochkodin

kochkodin @ verizon .net

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Re: Airport Alternatives

2004-03-22 Thread Clark Martin
At 6:13 PM -0500 3/21/04, Clyde Kahrl wrote:
I am using old Roamabout cardbus cards (OEM orinoco) from Wegener 
for $27.  They only come with OS9 drivers (that work fine for OS9) 
but for OSX you have to download an OSX driver from ioXperts.   The 
driver costs $20 per card and the serial number for the driver is 
portable from computer to computer, but not card to card.   The OSX 
driver works just great.


There is also the OS X driver from 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/wirelessdriver/.  It's kind of no 
frills but it's free.


I got the old slow b protocol because I was more concerned with 
range.  I got a cardbus card because I have a  550 tiBook with 
reputedly horrible internal antenna and so I wanted the external 
antenna.All of the 11(b) equipment is really cheap now because 
nobody but us LowEndLuddites want it.


LowEndMac user yes but a Luddite of any sort, no.

I use the older model Asante b wireless router with the 2 
antennas. I put the router high on the wall in the center of my old 
house that has a lot of wire mesh in the lath.   My range from the 
Asante router to my tiBook is in excess of 250 feet outdoors.


I have the same situation with stucco exterior walls.  I've got one 
location inside the house that goes through two exterior walls to get 
to the router.  I originally used a SMC Barricade wireless router 
which wouldn't work through those walls.  The Belkin router I have 
now does work to that location.

I bought a D-Link 614+ wireless router here in my office and it 
works fine for some things, but it does not support appletalk 
packets.   If you buy a D-Link product, better check this out.  They 
sometimes say they are Mac compatible (and they are at the TCP-IP 
level) but you have to read the fine print to see which of their 
products support Appletalk---if you have old machines or printers 
and need it.


Neither of the routers I bought support AppleTalk although IIRC they 
both claim to.  The SMC almost did, it would pass the Zone info but I 
couldn't access anything.  The Belkin seems to only support on the 
LAN which pretty much any of them will.  You have to be careful when 
checking for that issue.

For print servers, many of the old Asante routers have a print 
server port that used to only work with Windows or Postscript 
Printers, but now it works with OSX.3. on some other 
printers--depending on the driver and whether the printer has a 
parallel port.
I just set up an HP 5850.  It works wired or Wireless and is IP so 
the lack of AppleTalk isn't an issue.
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Re: Trying to go wireless with Pismo

2004-03-22 Thread Clark Martin
At 3:57 PM -0600 3/21/04, DPrice wrote:
I am running  a Dell 1150 in my Lombard with a SMC router with no 
problems. I found even though this is a re-badged Orinoco Gold it 
will not work under airport software (OSX or OS9). The drivers I 
used is  WirelessDriver Beta5 , 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/wirelessdriver/  .


don't know what I am doing wrong. i have downloaded and installed 
the above driver, but card is not working. am running  Jaguar. I 
have selected manual, ethernet adapter, and typed in Cox cable IP's 
address. Any ideas?
Did you setup WirelessConfig and is it showing a signal strength?
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Re: Airport Alternatives

2004-03-22 Thread Rad Craig
So does the driver in the link below work with any wireless card?  I mean is
is generic?  I have 2 802.11b wireless cards that I've used in my PC
laptops, and one 802.11g that I'd really like to be able to use.

Rad...

- Original Message - 
From: Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Airport Alternatives


 At 6:13 PM -0500 3/21/04, Clyde Kahrl wrote:
 I am using old Roamabout cardbus cards (OEM orinoco) from Wegener
 for $27.  They only come with OS9 drivers (that work fine for OS9)
 but for OSX you have to download an OSX driver from ioXperts.   The
 driver costs $20 per card and the serial number for the driver is
 portable from computer to computer, but not card to card.   The OSX
 driver works just great.


 There is also the OS X driver from
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/wirelessdriver/.  It's kind of no
 frills but it's free.


 
 I got the old slow b protocol because I was more concerned with
 range.  I got a cardbus card because I have a  550 tiBook with
 reputedly horrible internal antenna and so I wanted the external
 antenna.All of the 11(b) equipment is really cheap now because
 nobody but us LowEndLuddites want it.


 LowEndMac user yes but a Luddite of any sort, no.

 
 I use the older model Asante b wireless router with the 2
 antennas. I put the router high on the wall in the center of my old
 house that has a lot of wire mesh in the lath.   My range from the
 Asante router to my tiBook is in excess of 250 feet outdoors.


 I have the same situation with stucco exterior walls.  I've got one
 location inside the house that goes through two exterior walls to get
 to the router.  I originally used a SMC Barricade wireless router
 which wouldn't work through those walls.  The Belkin router I have
 now does work to that location.

 
 I bought a D-Link 614+ wireless router here in my office and it
 works fine for some things, but it does not support appletalk
 packets.   If you buy a D-Link product, better check this out.  They
 sometimes say they are Mac compatible (and they are at the TCP-IP
 level) but you have to read the fine print to see which of their
 products support Appletalk---if you have old machines or printers
 and need it.


 Neither of the routers I bought support AppleTalk although IIRC they
 both claim to.  The SMC almost did, it would pass the Zone info but I
 couldn't access anything.  The Belkin seems to only support on the
 LAN which pretty much any of them will.  You have to be careful when
 checking for that issue.

 
 For print servers, many of the old Asante routers have a print
 server port that used to only work with Windows or Postscript
 Printers, but now it works with OSX.3. on some other
 printers--depending on the driver and whether the printer has a
 parallel port.

 I just set up an HP 5850.  It works wired or Wireless and is IP so
 the lack of AppleTalk isn't an issue.
 -- 
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Re: Net Bookmarks

2004-03-22 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Mar 22, 2004, at 11:46 AM, tivo wrote:

When I add a bookmark to my list, it often lists as Netscape Search, 
which
is utterly worthless to me when I wish to return to the site since I 
don't
know what it's referring to.

How can I get Bookmarks to always use the site address (and a 
functional
name) so that I can know where it leads?
Go to the page first, instead of adding it from the search page.
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Re: Scanner repetition?

2004-03-22 Thread Clark Martin
At 5:53 PM +0100 3/22/04, invicta wrote:
Hello All,

Not long ago I posted a query but did not get any reaction. Probably 
wrongly worded. So I will refraze:

Setup: DSL modem  Wan port of Airbase Extreme  LAN to ethernet hub 
connecting to the cabled homenet. The Airport Extreme has a UBS 
Printer outlet. Connecting my Canon i550 BJ printer works smoothly 
and the machine is shared in the network.

So I tried to connect the Canon 500F scanner through the 
intermediary of a USB hub with the printer to the printer outlet of 
the base station. No response. How can I connect the scanner 
permanently to my network.

 My computer is a 17 PB elevated to desktop status bij a Griifin 
iCurve assisted by a wireless keyboard and Pro mouse but on the move 
as well so I would not like to use its USB port for the scanner.
You can't.  The airport USB is a print server only.  There are two 
ways to do what you want.  One is to connect the scanner to another 
computer and share it that way.  This is dependent on the scanner 
software having a sharing feature.   Keyspan has a device called a 
USB Server http://www.keyspan.com/news/news.040108USBServer.spml. 
They were showing it at MacWorld San Francisco but  it doesn't look 
as if it's released yet.
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Re: Black coating replacement?

2004-03-22 Thread Bigbikerbo
try this:

http://www.wegenermedia.com/wllstph.htm

they brushed the aluminum with 'swirlies'---looks pretty cool...

Doesn't look 'stock', but I thought it was a neat idea...

In a message dated 3/22/04 1:42:27 PM, you wrote:

Use a magic marker or sharpie.

On Mar 22, 2004, at 8:52 AM, P. H. Adams wrote:


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Re: G3 Wallstreet rev. B display on Pismo

2004-03-22 Thread Matthew Dudek
No, I'm sorry but they are not. I had to make the repair before myself.  
I think they use a different power supply or something like that.

matt

On Mar 22, 2004, at 2:01 PM, Beniamino Cenci Goga wrote:

Are the Wallstreet rev. B monitors compatibel with the Pismo  
(FireWire)?

I found a Pismo with a broken display and I was wondering to repair  
it with a Wallstreet one.

Ben

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Re: Trying to go wireless with Pismo

2004-03-22 Thread dprice145
Yes,it was showing the signal, but still couldn't go online.

 From: Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2004/03/22 Mon AM 12:13:13 EST
 To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Trying to go wireless with Pismo
 
 At 3:57 PM -0600 3/21/04, DPrice wrote:
 I am running  a Dell 1150 in my Lombard with a SMC router with no 
 problems. I found even though this is a re-badged Orinoco Gold it 
 will not work under airport software (OSX or OS9). The drivers I 
 used is  WirelessDriver Beta5 , 
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/wirelessdriver/  .
 
 
 don't know what I am doing wrong. i have downloaded and installed 
 the above driver, but card is not working. am running  Jaguar. I 
 have selected manual, ethernet adapter, and typed in Cox cable IP's 
 address. Any ideas?
 
 Did you setup WirelessConfig and is it showing a signal strength?
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Re: Scanner repetition.

2004-03-22 Thread invicta
On 22 Mar 2004, at 19:18, G-Books wrote:

Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:07:47 -0800
From: Clark Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Scanner repetition?
At 5:53 PM +0100 3/22/04, invicta wrote:
Hello All,

Not long ago I posted a query but did not get any reaction. Probably
wrongly worded. So I will refraze:
Setup: DSL modem  Wan port of Airbase Extreme  LAN to ethernet hub
connecting to the cabled homenet. The Airport Extreme has a UBS
Printer outlet. Connecting my Canon i550 BJ printer works smoothly
and the machine is shared in the network.
So I tried to connect the Canon 500F scanner through the
intermediary of a USB hub with the printer to the printer outlet of
the base station. No response. How can I connect the scanner
permanently to my network.
 My computer is a 17 PB elevated to desktop status bij a Griifin
iCurve assisted by a wireless keyboard and Pro mouse but on the move
as well so I would not like to use its USB port for the scanner.
You can't.  The airport USB is a print server only.  There are two
ways to do what you want.  One is to connect the scanner to another
computer and share it that way.  This is dependent on the scanner
software having a sharing feature.   Keyspan has a device called a
USB Server http://www.keyspan.com/news/news.040108USBServer.spml.
They were showing it at MacWorld San Francisco but  it doesn't look
as if it's released yet.
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I was afraid of this. I'll look at Keyspan maybe it's a solution.

Thank you Clark, very much. Greetings, Andre

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Re: Airport Alternatives

2004-03-22 Thread Jeff Hubatka
Message-ID: 
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From: Rad Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Airport Alternatives
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:22:28 -0600

So does the driver in the link below work with any wireless card?  I 
mean is
is generic?  I have 2 802.11b wireless cards that I've used in my PC
laptops, and one 802.11g that I'd really like to be able to use.

Rad...

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Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Airport Alternatives

At 6:13 PM -0500 3/21/04, Clyde Kahrl wrote:

There is also the OS X driver from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/wirelessdriver/.  It's kind of no
frills but it's free.
It works on some cards and not others. It also works for some people 
and not others, even with the same cards. I tried it with a Proxim 
Harmony card and couldn't get it to work, even with multiple 
re-installs of the software (that's one of the trouble shooting tips). 
The card would work with the IOxperts driver, but I didn't know if it 
was worth another $20 to me. I have also used the sourceforge driver 
with a WaveLAN Gold card in my Titanium, it works fine when I'm out of 
Airport range, which is only about 30 feet. Basically, you can install 
either driver and try them out. The IOxperts one will work for 30 
minutes at a time, so you can see if that's a possible solution for 
you.

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AirPort base station and multiple USB printers

2004-03-22 Thread Mark Kippert
Anyone know if you can share more than one printer via an AirPort base
station? I was just wondering if you could hook a USB hub to the base
station and then connect two (or more) printers to it.

Thanks,
-Mark


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Re: Net Bookmarks

2004-03-22 Thread tivo
 On Mar 22, 2004, at 11:46 AM, tivo wrote:
 
 When I add a bookmark to my list, it often lists as Netscape Search,
 which
 is utterly worthless to me when I wish to return to the site since I
 don't
 know what it's referring to.
 
 How can I get Bookmarks to always use the site address (and a
 functional
 name) so that I can know where it leads?
 
 Go to the page first, instead of adding it from the search page.
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I tried this, but still had trouble. I see that it's necessary to go to a
new Netscape search page and then paste in the address of the site into
Netscape and not into google.

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Re: Airport Alternatives

2004-03-22 Thread Clark Martin
At 12:22 PM -0600 3/22/04, Rad Craig wrote:
So does the driver in the link below work with any wireless card?  I mean is
is generic?  I have 2 802.11b wireless cards that I've used in my PC
laptops, and one 802.11g that I'd really like to be able to use.
Not any but a lot.  Check the website for details.

Rad...

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To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Airport Alternatives

 At 6:13 PM -0500 3/21/04, Clyde Kahrl wrote:
 I am using old Roamabout cardbus cards (OEM orinoco) from Wegener
 for $27.  They only come with OS9 drivers (that work fine for OS9)
 but for OSX you have to download an OSX driver from ioXperts.   The
 driver costs $20 per card and the serial number for the driver is
 portable from computer to computer, but not card to card.   The OSX
 driver works just great.
 There is also the OS X driver from
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/wirelessdriver/.  It's kind of no
  frills but it's free.

 
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Re: Net Bookmarks

2004-03-22 Thread P. H. Adams
On Mar 23, 2004, at 1:06 AM, tivo wrote:

On Mar 22, 2004, at 11:46 AM, tivo wrote:

When I add a bookmark to my list, it often lists as Netscape Search,
which
is utterly worthless to me when I wish to return to the site since I
don't
know what it's referring to.
How can I get Bookmarks to always use the site address (and a
functional
name) so that I can know where it leads?
Go to the page first, instead of adding it from the search page.
--
I tried this, but still had trouble. I see that it's necessary to go 
to a
new Netscape search page and then paste in the address of the site into
Netscape and not into google.
So you're using Netscape as your browser? I don't really have any 
experience with that, but is your search page in a separate frame in 
the browser? If so, maybe you need to click in the other frame before 
adding the bookmark.
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