Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

2004-09-08 Thread Bob
The National Enquirer reports at 6:25 PM -0700 9/7/04, Clark Martin wrote:

Clark,
  I'm somewhat confused. If I am interpreting what you are saying 
below correctly, it seems that there is a conflict between you are 
saying and what CJ said yesterday (quoted after your text for 
reference). He says that DS is an ancient standard, whereas you 
seem to be indicating that it is a current standard (used to 
describe  how most 802.11b stuff works).

Am I misinterpreting either, or both, of you?

Distributed Spread Spectrum is a
technical term used to describe  how most 802.11b stuff works.
Frequency hopping was used at one point but is more or less gone now.
So if you also saw 802.11FH it would be a technical distinction
rather than marketing fluff.  Seeing as this RoamAbout Card sounds
kind of old then the DS would be a quite relevant description.

At 11:48 AM -0500 9/6/04, CJ wrote:
802.11DS is an ancient standard from before 802.11B that runs slower.  It is
not used often.  Check out this link:
http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.11.html

Bob


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Re: National Enquirer (O.T.)

2004-09-08 Thread Bob
The National Enquirer reports at 3:00 PM -0400 9/7/04, Anne Judge wrote:

On Sep 6, 2004, at 3:56 AM, Bob wrote:

  Well it depends on what email client you are using
   I don't know enough about Apple Mail App ...

Mail is incredibly non-configurable relative to Eudora.

Can't say that surprises me much. Other than Operating Systems, Apple 
has always been pretty weak IMPO when it comes to creating its own 
software. Go all the way back to MacWrite, Okay, so it was free and 
the only Mac word processor for a while, but it remained a pathetic 
application for years. Maybe MacWrite II would be a better example. 
It was still a feature-deprived application. I seem to recall that 
MacTerminal was pretty weak compared to other terminal programs. 
Etc., etc. So I stay away from Apple software whenever possible.

(Unless, maybe,
you want to learn to program applescript.)  I'm constantly being
frustrated, having switched to Mail from Eudora when I got my newest
computer.  I'm constantly on the verge of fleeing back to Eudora.  But
inertia wins out every time.

Well, as I indicated, I'm prejudiced. With its x-settings and 
plug-ins, I can't see very many email clients measuring up to Eudora 
(with the exception of it's handling of HTML). And I'm really not 
trying to start an email client war on the list.

(BTW, I have dozens of accounts I use to send mail with my many
hats  administer lists  I used Eudora's stationery all the time so
I'm not a normal mail user.)

I have a bunch myself, although I'm not into the dozens. Just the 
ability of setting a filter to make an incoming message a specific 
Personality, makes replying with the different Personality 
effortless. And once you get used to using Stationary, how do you 
ever go back to being without it?

ANYWAY, I haven't found a way to change the attribution line in Mail.

Thanks for the first-hand scoop.

Also, I looked for X-Mailer headers in list messages to see what mail
programs people were using  couldn't find any - looks like the list
software might strip that??

I really don't know. The only time I look for a client header is in 
Usenet, because I can usually identify Mac users by their news reader.

Thanks for your comments,

Bob


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Re: source for iBook backlight bulb?

2004-09-08 Thread Tom and Lisa P
Anyone have suggestions what light bulb to look for and websites to look
at if I want to replace the light bulb for the display in an iBook
FireWire 366?
www.digikey.com and a company called jkl sell backlights (cant 
remember the jkl webpage address).

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Re: National Enquirer (O.T.)

2004-09-08 Thread Frank P. Eigler
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Bob wrote:

 The National Enquirer reports at 3:00 PM -0400 9/7/04, Anne Judge wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2004, at 3:56 AM, Bob wrote:
[snip]
 Well, as I indicated, I'm prejudiced. With its x-settings and
 plug-ins, I can't see very many email clients measuring up to Eudora
 (with the exception of it's handling of HTML). And I'm really not
 trying to start an email client war on the list.
[snip]
 [Referring to personalities] I have a bunch myself, although I'm not
 into the dozens. Just the ability of setting a filter to make an
 incoming message a specific Personality, makes replying with the
 different Personality effortless. And once you get used to using
 Stationary, how do you ever go back to being without it?

I'd agree, but if you check Eudora news groups you'll see many
negativecomments regarding its outdatedlook.

I'll take functionality and user-freiendliness over style any day.

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Internet Connect (OS X 10.3.5)

2004-09-08 Thread Emery Stora
I have been using OSX for some time on my Powerbook and recently 
encountered a problem with Internet Connect.  This places a telephone 
symbol in the top menu line.  When I click on the symbol I get a menu 
-- one of which is Connect.  Then there is a scrolling Connect 
message to the right of the symbol.  This works fine but one is 
supposed to be able to click on the symbol and see Disconnect and 
terminate the connection.

At times, when my isp drops the connection the Disconnect scrolling 
message is seen to the right of the symbol and the phone line is 
actually disconnected but the scrolling disconnecting doesn't stop 
and it is impossible for me to reconnect unless I reboot the computer.

Is anyone aware of this problem and perhaps have a solution?  I first 
had the problem when using 10.3.3 but thought that perhaps it would 
go away if I updated to 10.3.5.  I have now done that but still have 
the problem.  I am wondering if deleting a pref file might help.  If 
so, where would that be located?
Thanks.
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Re: Internet Connect (OS X 10.3.5)

2004-09-08 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Sep 8, 2004, at 12:39 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
Is anyone aware of this problem and perhaps have a solution?  I first 
had the problem when using 10.3.3 but thought that perhaps it would go 
away if I updated to 10.3.5.  I have now done that but still have the 
problem.  I am wondering if deleting a pref file might help.  If so, 
where would that be located?
I've sometimes been able to fix that by restarting finder, sometimes by 
physically turning the modem off (I have an external modem on my 
desktop), but sometimes the only choice is rebooting.

I even tried killing and restarting the pppd process via the command 
line, but the stupid 'disconnecting' thing just keeps on going.

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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

2004-09-08 Thread CJ
The DS standard is older than 802.11B and slower (about 1mpbs).  It does
form the underpinning of 802.11B/G, although it is not used separately
anymore.  Found on CNET: The 802.11B standard, also known as Wi-Fi, has
become the standard used by corporations. The other standard, called
802.11DS, is a standard that pre-dates 802.11B and runs slower. Hope I
clarified it for you.
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 The National Enquirer reports at 6:25 PM -0700 9/7/04, Clark Martin wrote:

 Clark,
   I'm somewhat confused. If I am interpreting what you are saying
 below correctly, it seems that there is a conflict between you are
 saying and what CJ said yesterday (quoted after your text for
 reference). He says that DS is an ancient standard, whereas you
 seem to be indicating that it is a current standard (used to
 describe  how most 802.11b stuff works).

 Am I misinterpreting either, or both, of you?

 Distributed Spread Spectrum is a
 technical term used to describe  how most 802.11b stuff works.
 Frequency hopping was used at one point but is more or less gone now.
 So if you also saw 802.11FH it would be a technical distinction
 rather than marketing fluff.  Seeing as this RoamAbout Card sounds
 kind of old then the DS would be a quite relevant description.

 At 11:48 AM -0500 9/6/04, CJ wrote:
 802.11DS is an ancient standard from before 802.11B that runs slower.  It
is
 not used often.  Check out this link:
 http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.11.html

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true processor speed

2004-09-08 Thread WNK
I just came across this in a thread by accident somewhere;
sysctl hw.cpufrequency
I entered it via the terminal and came up with a speed? of 667 on my 
1gHz titanium powerbook.

I read a lot of back and forth ( most posts were from 2003 ) some 
people said resetting the PMU made the number more accurately reflect 
the actual listed speed (do not want to do this). Others said that this 
would not return an accurate number no matter what. Some said it was 
totally worthless as any sort of indicator. Some said running XBench is 
a far better guide. This I did. Great results.

As I previously said most of these posts were from late 03, I wanted to 
inquire as to whether or not anyone else has experienced conflicting 
numbers with ill effect or otherwise found that this is a generally 
meaningless issue.

Any and all info is appreciated.
Thanks.
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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

2004-09-08 Thread COCCORP

In a message dated 9/8/04 5:13:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The other standard, called
802.11DS, is a standard that pre-dates 802.11B and runs slower. Hope I
clarified it for you.

Yes, it does (although I am not the person who asked the question 
originally)...!

A friend recently said she was sending me her laptop to correct a keyboard 
problem and to check out why are recently purchased wireless card is not working.

Come to find out yesterday, when it arrived, that it is the Ramabout 
802.11DS card described in previous posts...

Can this -DS card be used by Airport software, the way my Orinoco 802.11b 
card can?

Craig W.
Atlanta GA

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Explain the 802.11b Card Description

2004-09-08 Thread Kenneth Vann
Hello all. I would like to clarify what I said. When I said Marketing
fluff, I am referring to the fact that the RoamAbout card was still using a
term on the label that they had been using from the beginning of them
selling the card.

It has been many years since I did any serious work in the electronics
field, and things tend to fog up with age. The information that is
available on the web about how each OEM implements the features in a
wireless pc card is not complete.

I do know from Lucent documents that with v6 of the software for Macintosh,
the cards with the correct Firmware are WiFi Certified 802.11b.

The tech document is dated March 2000. So there is good posibility that the
cards offered for sale now, are of the WiFi Certified type.

Quoting from the Lucent Document

Added WiFi (Wireless Fidelity) functionality. This requires a firmware
level 6.04 in the PC cards. WiFi functionality ensures interoperability
with other 802.11B high rate products.

The key word is interoperability. I take this to mean backwards compatable.
My RoamAbout card has the WiFi certification logo on the front of the card
along with the notation of DS High Rate.

Every card I have except the Dell TrueMobile 1150 and the YDI Wireless has
the WiFi Certification logo. They all work with the Orinoco drivers under
OS 9.x.x. and all connect to the Base Station I have.

I think that if you buy the card from the vendor of you choice and it does
not work as advertised, they have an obligation to make it good.

My RoamAbout works fine at home with my Base Station, but just to make
sure, I will take it to the local restruant that offers free WiFi and see.

Just as a thought, prehaps I will take apart my Base Station and check the
Firmware in the card that is in it. Wonder what I will find??  I have a
Graphite BS and I know it has the Lucent Orinoco Silver card in it. I might
even put in a third party Silver card and see if the Airport software will
upgrad the Firmware or toast the Base Station.

Ken Vann



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Re: true processor speed

2004-09-08 Thread Laurent Daudelin
on 08/09/04 18:58, WNK at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just came across this in a thread by accident somewhere;
 
 sysctl hw.cpufrequency
 
 
 I entered it via the terminal and came up with a speed? of 667 on my
 1gHz titanium powerbook.
 
 I read a lot of back and forth ( most posts were from 2003 ) some
 people said resetting the PMU made the number more accurately reflect
 the actual listed speed (do not want to do this). Others said that this
 would not return an accurate number no matter what. Some said it was
 totally worthless as any sort of indicator. Some said running XBench is
 a far better guide. This I did. Great results.
 
 As I previously said most of these posts were from late 03, I wanted to
 inquire as to whether or not anyone else has experienced conflicting
 numbers with ill effect or otherwise found that this is a generally
 meaningless issue.

On my new PowerBook 17, the same command returns 149994. So, it seems
to be accurate for me as the 17 is 1.5GHz.

-Laurent.
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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

2004-09-08 Thread Clark Martin
At 12:00 AM -0600 9/8/04, Bob wrote:
The National Enquirer reports at 6:25 PM -0700 9/7/04, Clark Martin wrote:
Clark,
  I'm somewhat confused. If I am interpreting what you are saying
below correctly, it seems that there is a conflict between you are
saying and what CJ said yesterday (quoted after your text for
reference). He says that DS is an ancient standard, whereas you
seem to be indicating that it is a current standard (used to
describe  how most 802.11b stuff works).

That CARD is ancient but the DSS format is current.  I don't think 
that 802.11DS is a standard but instead it's a manufacturers 
designation.  IEEE standards have a pretty fixed  identification 
system and DS wouldn't fit.

Am I misinterpreting either, or both, of you?
Distributed Spread Spectrum is a
technical term used to describe  how most 802.11b stuff works.
Frequency hopping was used at one point but is more or less gone now.
So if you also saw 802.11FH it would be a technical distinction
rather than marketing fluff.  Seeing as this RoamAbout Card sounds
kind of old then the DS would be a quite relevant description.
At 11:48 AM -0500 9/6/04, CJ wrote:
802.11DS is an ancient standard from before 802.11B that runs slower.  It is
not used often.  Check out this link:
 http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.11.html

This link lists an 802.11d but not DS as far as I could see.  d is 
something different.
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Re: Internet Connect (OS X 10.3.5)

2004-09-08 Thread Hoju Dingo
Hi Emery
I have a PowerBook G3/400 Firewire with 10.3.5 and I have the
same problem occasionally: I lose the dial-in connection to my
ISP, then the scrolling disconnecting doesn't stop and I
find I have to reboot ... I've wondered if the inbuilt modem
in the PowerBook sometimes gets hung (or stuck in a loop).
In the old days, I'd be using some of the AT type commands
to reset the modem but I guess rebooting works. I guess
the whole dial in process is using a connect script so perhaps
there is some way of using a better disconnect script ...
I'd like a solution too!
Adios
Harry, Canberra, ACT, Oz.
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:39:36 -0600
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Subject: Internet Connect (OS X 10.3.5)
snip
At times, when my isp drops the connection the Disconnect scrolling
message is seen to the right of the symbol and the phone line is
actually disconnected but the scrolling disconnecting doesn't stop
and it is impossible for me to reconnect unless I reboot the computer.

snip

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Re: true processor speed

2004-09-08 Thread Steve Fuller
Accurate for me on my 1Ghz 17 PB too...
Steve
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Trackpad on PB17

2004-09-08 Thread Laurent Daudelin
I've been really enjoying my PB17 except for one thing: the trackpad. It
seems that, not everytime but many times, when I type something, the cursor
is kinda stuck, then, after sliding my finger on it, it starts moving again
as it should. I tried turning off Ignore accidental trackpad input but
then, I've never realized that my thumbs, mostly were so closed and as such,
they create many accidental input or moving the cursor anywhere on the
screen so that I can't live without the Ignore... setting on. I guess it's
because the trackpad on the 17 is bigger than on my Pismo, which never gave
me those problems, even though I had the Ignore... turned on there too.

I was wondering, among those that have a 17 and maybe a 15, and have the
Ignore... setting turned on, does the cursor sometimes get stuck a few
seconds after you typed something?

-Laurent.
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Re: National Enquirer (O.T.)

2004-09-08 Thread Bob
The National Enquirer reports at 12:09 PM -0700 9/8/04, Frank P. 
Eigler wrote:

snip
if you check Eudora news groups you'll see many
negativecomments regarding its outdatedlook.

I'll take functionality and user-freiendliness over style any day.

After years  of faithfully reading and contributing to the 
comp.mail.eudora-mac news group, I dropped it when I didn't continue 
to upgrade on up through V. 5 and V.6. So I haven't seen the comments 
to which you refer. However, the similar comments I have seen in 
other venues (Mac mail-lists etc) have primarily come from people who 
have just tried out Eudora and didn't use for very long.

I doubt that those of us who have used it for years would have many 
complaints ab0ut it's appearance or user-friendliness. But as I told 
Anne in a privately email, to each their own and with no judgements 
from me. That's why we're offered multiple choices to suit different 
tastes.

Bob


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Re: Explain the 802.11b Card Description

2004-09-08 Thread Bob

(To reduce the number of posts to the list, I'm going to combine my 
replies to CJ  Clark.)

The National Enquirer reports at 5:12 PM -0500 9/8/04, CJ wrote:

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  The National Enquirer reports at 6:25 PM -0700 9/7/04, Clark Martin wrote:
 
  Clark,
I'm somewhat confused. If I am interpreting what you are saying
  below correctly, it seems that there is a conflict between you are
  saying and what CJ said yesterday (quoted after your text for
  reference). He says that DS is an ancient standard, whereas you
  seem to be indicating that it is a current standard (used to
  describe  how most 802.11b stuff works).
 
  Am I misinterpreting either, or both, of you?
 
  Distributed Spread Spectrum is a
  technical term used to describe  how most 802.11b stuff works.
  Frequency hopping was used at one point but is more or less gone now.
  So if you also saw 802.11FH it would be a technical distinction
  rather than marketing fluff.  Seeing as this RoamAbout Card sounds
  kind of old then the DS would be a quite relevant description.
 
  At 11:48 AM -0500 9/6/04, CJ wrote:
  802.11DS is an ancient standard from before 802.11B that runs slower.  It
is
  not used often.  Check out this link:
  http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/802.11.html
 
  Bob

The DS standard is older than 802.11B and slower (about 1mpbs).  It does
form the underpinning of 802.11B/G, although it is not used separately
anymore.  Found on CNET: The 802.11B standard, also known as Wi-Fi, has
become the standard used by corporations. The other standard, called
802.11DS, is a standard that pre-dates 802.11B and runs slower. Hope I
clarified it for you.
CJ

Very clear, thank you. I always appreciate someone who supports their 
viewpoint with documented facts.


At 4:56 PM -0700 9/8/04, Clark Martin wrote:

That CARD is ancient but the DSS format is current.

I don't know enough about the whole concept to argue one way or the 
other. But this still appears to disagree with the CNET quote above. 
However, it's probably not worth making an issue over. I was just 
trying to understand it better.

Then Ken Vann added a new term: DS High Rate (with WiFi 
certification), which sounds like an updated DS  (11Mbps?). How the 
heck is the average John/Jane Doe supposed to keep up with all of 
this terminology?

I guess to bring it into perspective, and full circle, if a 
list-member goes to buy the 802.11DS RoamAbout card from Wegener, 
what exactly are they getting?

I don't think that 802.11DS is a standard but instead it's a manufacturers
designation.  IEEE standards have a pretty fixed  identification
system and DS wouldn't fit.

Both CJ and the CNET quote refer to it as a standard. I was simply 
quoting them.

Thanks again for your input guys,

Bob


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