Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
Peter: You've lived an awesome life man, I'm envious! Is there any copy of SPSS around in the open-source for Mac? Michael J. Cangelosi == Alliance for Aging Research 2021 K St. NW STE 305 Washington DC 20006 202.293.2856 == -Original Message- From: G-Books [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Webster Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:58 PM To: G-Books Subject: Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules] On Feb 7, 2006, at 5:57 AM, Michael Cangelosi wrote: Hmm. I worked on the project that put SPSS together. Cards. Stacks of cards. Awesome! It's amazing that this list has the talented minds that put together such monolithically programs as that beast. I doubt that we would have the forecasting abilities we have today without those pains you gave. Michael It took a lot of ambitious Type A personalities to put that together. I was an academic hanger-on (I think that's what the then-gov., someone dufus named Reagan, called people like me). I was happy to go home, every evening, to the Haight, smoke dope, and write stories. Those guys went on to the U of Chicago as part of carefully negotiated career moves; I think the computer stuff was really secondary to their ambitions. Peter Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://disturbingthecomfortable.blogspot.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Feb 10, 2006, at 10:29 AM, Michael Cangelosi wrote: You've lived an awesome life man, I'm envious! Is there any copy of SPSS around in the open-source for Mac? SPSS is a commercial product http://www.spss.com There's R http://www.r-project.org/, and here's a bunch of OSS stuff http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu/micah_altman/socsci.shtml -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
Hmm. I worked on the project that put SPSS together. Cards. Stacks of cards. Awesome! It's amazing that this list has the talented minds that put together such monolithically programs as that beast. I doubt that we would have the forecasting abilities we have today without those pains you gave. Michael J. Cangelosi == Alliance for Aging Research 2021 K St. NW STE 305 Washington DC 20006 202.293.2856 == -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Feb 7, 2006, at 5:57 AM, Michael Cangelosi wrote: Hmm. I worked on the project that put SPSS together. Cards. Stacks of cards. Awesome! It's amazing that this list has the talented minds that put together such monolithically programs as that beast. I doubt that we would have the forecasting abilities we have today without those pains you gave. Michael It took a lot of ambitious Type A personalities to put that together. I was an academic hanger-on (I think that's what the then-gov., someone dufus named Reagan, called people like me). I was happy to go home, every evening, to the Haight, smoke dope, and write stories. Those guys went on to the U of Chicago as part of carefully negotiated career moves; I think the computer stuff was really secondary to their ambitions. Peter Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://disturbingthecomfortable.blogspot.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
At 10:32 AM -0500 02/03/2006, Kurt Cypher wrote: yes, there are lazy programmers out there I miss the days of hauling three racks of cards up and down two flights of stairs, from my desk to the machine room and back, each time I had a run to do. It kept us codespinners in good shape! Of course, we had to be careful. We had to get someone to check the stairwell first - because if we got caught carrying more than one box (1/3 rack) then the labor union would hit us with a grievance for not using a Mover... - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
At 12:25 AM -0500 02/03/2006, phoenix wrote: Lazy programmers and feature creep. Having worked for a software development firm, I can tell you these are the two biggest reasons we have such Big Fat Hairy programs out there today. I have to disagree. It's not laziness - it's incompetence. Back in the day, programmers were Engineers - they actually had 4 or 6 year Computer Science educations from college. They actually knew how to design or select efficient algorithms. Except for a few, these days, programming is mostly a job-shop situation, populated by geek-wannabees that have no clue how to even open a book. If they have a 2 year degree, it's amazing. And the chances of even those having ever cracked open a copy of Knuth[*] is near Zero. [*] The Art of Computer Programming, a multi-volume book set by Don Knuth. The true bible of codespinning. - Dan. //You used a bubble sort for what?// -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Feb 6, 2006, at 10:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:25 AM -0500 02/03/2006, phoenix wrote: Lazy programmers and feature creep. Having worked for a software development firm, I can tell you these are the two biggest reasons we have such Big Fat Hairy programs out there today. I have to disagree. It's not laziness - it's incompetence. Back in the day, programmers were Engineers - they actually had 4 or 6 year Computer Science educations from college. They actually knew how to design or select efficient algorithms. And back in the day, 99% of them never had to deal with a GUI, or were even thinking of doing something on the order of Photoshop. Efficient algorithms are SUCH a tiny part of programming todays applications that it's not even funny. Blaming it on incompetence is merely the lazy way out...software is a LOT more complex today than it was in the day...if you don't think so, feel free to go back to using an Apple II for your day to day use, and see how far you get. Me, I'm glad we have the BFH programs of today...they let me do *my* job more efficiently, which is vastly more important than letting my computer do it's job more efficiently. Buying more hardware to do that is not even a problem. Hardware is cheap and amortizable. Human capital isn't. This isn't an excuse for sloppy programming or feature creep, both of which are huge factors in why Office is now 300MB instead of 300KB, but there's also the fact that 300MB today costs a fraction of what 300K did then. They concentrated on efficiency then, because they had to. ALL engineering is constrained by one simple adage: Fast, Cheap, Good: choose any two with the Jobs corollary Real Programmers Ship. -- Bruce Johnson This is the sig who says 'Ni!' -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
At 6:04 AM +1100 02/07/2006, Geoffrey Peters wrote: These days, I'm so anti-commandline, I delete Terminal.app from all my OSX installs. Ouch. There are so many iface problems with Aqua and Finder, Teminal is an essential app IMO. //You used a bubble sort for what?// ... and mention hashing to any of these young jackanapes and they think you're an old stoner who hasn't let go yet ;) I was interviewing a consultant. He was bragging about using a bubble on the indices to a database of over 6m elements. I gave him a big thumbs down - and the company hired him anyway. - Dan. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
Stardate 060206.17:19 -0500. A subspace message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] reads: These days, I'm so anti-commandline, I delete Terminal.app from all my OSX installs. Ouch. There are so many iface problems with Aqua and Finder, Teminal is an essential app IMO. Depends on what you do. OSX Finder sucks mouldy goat-sacks through a small straw ... which is why I'm still in MacOS 8.6 about 70% of the time ... which is why my main Mac is still a platinum G3/300. if it ain't broke, don't fix it :) (Mind you, I miss my old PowerCenter, it was quite nice being able to run System 7.6.1 at 450 MHz ... alas, the MESH chip died.) I was interviewing a consultant. He was bragging about using a bubble on the indices to a database of over 6m elements. I gave him a big thumbs down - and the company hired him anyway. Let me guess, he also convinced them that ASP was a Very Good Move ;) Geoffrey -- -- Endian Little Hate I --- -- I'm afraid music in the modern idiom is too repetitive for my tastes ... although the rhythm does have a certain hypnotic effect. -- Brains (International Rescue Engineer, 'Thunderbirds' (c) Gerry Anderson 1969) -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
Hmm. I worked on the project that put SPSS together. Cards. Stacks of cards. Hated keying those cards; probably two bad ones for every one that came out right. Big IBM 360/67 in a building the size of gymnasium. One day, I loaded a stack in, went into the snack bar, put in change for a coke, pushed the button and the whole bloody system crashed. I was almost convinced I'd caused it. When the system was up again, at least a week later, all our data was interspersed with data from the Stanford Hospital... Sat through hours of classes in Fortran IV. The project finally moved on to the University of Chicago; I was invited to go, too, but then I watched the riots at the Chicago Democratic Convention and decided that was one of the last places I wanted to go. Never touched another computer until I got my hands on my sister's Mac Classic. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
We still use SPSS here at the college I work at part-time, Peter--had it on Apple II floppy, and then migrated to the IBM versions. Your legacy lives on. :) Later.Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
I have a friend at Portland State, and she used it for a class. Almost dropped her teeth when I told her I'd worked on the original. Ugh: scattergraphs! On Feb 6, 2006, at 4:50 PM, Howard Katz wrote: We still use SPSS here at the college I work at part-time, Peter--had it on Apple II floppy, and then migrated to the IBM versions. Your legacy lives on. :) Later.Howard -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- Peter Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://disturbingthecomfortable.blogspot.com/ -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On 2/3/06, phoenix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lazy programmers and feature creep. Having worked for a software development firm, I can tell you these are the two biggest reasons we have such Big Fat Hairy programs out there today. In a previous life as a programmer, any bloat in the apps we were writing was caused less by Lazy Programmers, and more by impossibly tight deadlines (as well as the aforementioned feature creep, both caused by a project manager who just couldn't comprehend the fact that if a customer request was not in the original specs for the project, he was allowed to say no. His favorite line, whenever one of us would point out the feature creep and deadline issues was it's not rocket science (his background was actually in rocket science). To this day, I wish I would've turned to him and said you're right, it's not rocket science, it's computer science, good thing you hired programmers instead of aeronautical engineers. Fortunately for my employment status at the time, I resisted that urge. My point is that yes, there are lazy programmers out there (I've worked with some of them), but unfortunately, a lot of times the programmers are forced to take shortcuts that cause bloat, merely because they have no choice. Someone much higher then themselves in the chain of command has decreed that the app will ship on a specific date, and it's their job to put something together that is basically functional to ship on time, and then keep working on the first update pack to fix all the bugs you already know about, as well as all the bugs that the users will undoubtedly find. Kurt -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Feb 3, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Kurt Cypher wrote: My point is that yes, there are lazy programmers out there (I've worked with some of them), but unfortunately, a lot of times the programmers are forced to take shortcuts that cause bloat, merely because they have no choice. Someone much higher then themselves in the chain of command has decreed that the app will ship on a specific date, and it's their job to put something together that is basically functional to ship on time, and then keep working on the first update pack to fix all the bugs you already know about, as well as all the bugs that the users will undoubtedly find. Kurt Without violating any of my NDA's. The testing phase is also rushed too quickly. Peter Apockotos http://www.apockotos.com http://www.macmariner.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On 2/3/06, Peter Apockotos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without violating any of my NDA's. The testing phase is also rushed too quickly. Peter Apockotos Rushed and lacking resources to do more comprehensive testing. Kurt -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Feb 3, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Kurt Cypher wrote: On 2/3/06, Peter Apockotos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without violating any of my NDA's. The testing phase is also rushed too quickly. Peter Apockotos Rushed and lacking resources to do more comprehensive testing. Kurt I think rushing is it. It's all about how much we can sell this quarter. Peter Apockotos http://www.apockotos.com http://www.macmariner.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On 2/3/06 10:46 AM, Peter Apockotos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without violating any of my NDA's. The testing phase is also rushed too quickly. The testing phase - you mean that period after the application has been given to the customer, right? evil grin I look back on my days as a programmer and miss them not at all. Today I get home at a regular hour, don't have an incompetent looking over my shoulder, and don't have to deal with clients who caused their own headaches. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
[OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
on 02/02/06 23:33, Michael A. Howard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Apockotos wrote: No I remember those days and I am only thirty. Now gopher was a pain. Archie and Gopher - great tools in their day but thankfully those days are long gone. I almost remember setting up uucp to get my first emails (excluding bbs mail of course) For those that are a little nostalgic of these old times, I just found out an unbelievable fun to use application for OS X. It's called GLTerminal. GLTerminal emulates a 1970¹s terminal monitor, complete with flaws in brightness, warped display curvature, and flicker. It even simulates baud rate lag. And! for extra verisimilitude, the character colors can be green or amber. It is incredibly well done! You can download it here: http://ldopa.net/2006/01/14/glterminal/ -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat: LaurentDaudelinhttp://nemesys.dyndns.org Logiciels Nemesys Software mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mandelbug: /man'del-buhg/ n. [from the Mandelbrot set] A bug whose underlying causes are so complex and obscure as to make its behavior appear chaotic or even non-deterministic. This term implies that the speaker thinks it is a Bohr bug, rather than a heisenbug. See also schroedinbug. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Feb 2, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: For those that are a little nostalgic of these old times, I just found out an unbelievable fun to use application for OS X. It's called GLTerminal. GLTerminal emulates a 1970¹s terminal monitor, complete with flaws in brightness, warped display curvature, and flicker. It even simulates baud rate lag. And! for extra verisimilitude, the character colors can be green or amber. It is incredibly well done! You can download it here: http://ldopa.net/2006/01/14/glterminal/ -Laurent. Oh I am not that nostalgic of those days. They can stay in the past. But you would think the web would have grown a lot more since then. But everything is really the same. A lot easier, faster and different methods to do the same things. Peter Apockotos http://www.apockotos.com http://www.macmariner.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Thursday 02 February 2006 22:50, Peter Apockotos wrote: Oh I am not that nostalgic of those days. They can stay in the past. But you would think the web would have grown a lot more since then. But everything is really the same. Well, I'll agree there. Add in the fact that we use word processors that take up tens and hundreds of megabytes of hard disk space, when Word 5 would do almost everything the new stuff does, in only 2 MB, and with only 1 MB of RAM usage. Maybe we should all go back to the old ways of using assembly code to write software.. Caleb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Feb 2, 2006, at 11:56 PM, Caleb Cupples wrote: On Thursday 02 February 2006 22:50, Peter Apockotos wrote: Oh I am not that nostalgic of those days. They can stay in the past. But you would think the web would have grown a lot more since then. But everything is really the same. Well, I'll agree there. Add in the fact that we use word processors that take up tens and hundreds of megabytes of hard disk space, when Word 5 would do almost everything the new stuff does, in only 2 MB, and with only 1 MB of RAM usage. Maybe we should all go back to the old ways of using assembly code to write software.. Caleb The size of programs and the amount of memory and processing power that is needed to run them has really gotten out of hand. You would think it would be the reverse. Peter Apockotos http://www.apockotos.com http://www.macmariner.com -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
On Thursday 02 February 2006 23:00, Peter Apockotos wrote: The size of programs and the amount of memory and processing power that is needed to run them has really gotten out of hand. You would think it would be the reverse. I could do 90% of what I do now with my Lombard running OS 9.2.2 with 192 MB of RAM on my 190 running OS 7.5.3 and only 24 MB of RAM. Is it just me, or did that jump from a 68LC040/33 to a G3/400 not make all that much difference in my computer usage? Bloat is taking over the world, a day at a time. Caleb -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
Re: [OT] The old days [Was:Re: Reminder: LowEndMac lists rules]
Quoth Caleb Cupples : The size of programs and the amount of memory and processing power that is needed to run them has really gotten out of hand. You would think it would be the reverse. I could do 90% of what I do now with my Lombard running OS 9.2.2 with 192 MB of RAM on my 190 running OS 7.5.3 and only 24 MB of RAM. Is it just me, or did that jump from a 68LC040/33 to a G3/400 not make all that much difference in my computer usage? Lazy programmers and feature creep. Having worked for a software development firm, I can tell you these are the two biggest reasons we have such Big Fat Hairy programs out there today. I'd use the old days of DOS as an example, but that's just too far OT for me. Someone else mentioned MS Word, though, and that's a perfect example of bloat: Quite possibly the most seamless and perfect program I've ever used on any platform was Word 5.1. For Mac or Windows, it was smooth, worked great, did absolutely everything I could ever want a word processor to do, and never choked on me. Then 6.0 came out. It's been a downhill slide ever since. Cheers, A.J. -- If the terrorists can make us change our way of life then they will have won. -- George W. Bush, in a moment of irony -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:G-Books@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com ---
