Re: Digital camera (oops, I went OT)

2003-03-31 Thread Ryan Coleman
I will say this here once: Never EVER take your film to Walgreens. For those 
of you (or Proex or Walmart) here who want to see better results, contact me 
off list and I will give you the information of the lab I work in. I can give 
you reasons upon reasons of why you need to stay away from those places and 
even make a deal on developing your film all the way here in Minneapolis.

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 Ryan Coleman wrote:
 
  I disagree. I work in a photolab and to get the kind of shots that are 
  reprintable to the size needed to match 35mm would cost you between $3500 
and 
  $7500 right now.
  
  Stick with film, maybe get a SCSI negative scanner if you need it. But 
don't 
  go digital yet. I do sports photography and I always have a 35mm backup 
to my 
  Nikon D100 just in case something goes awry. The battery in the digital 
needs 
  to be recharged once a week, but my 35mm has had the same 4AA's for the 
last 
  three years (I shoot about 500 rolls of 35mm a year).
 
 I think you're missing the point.
 
 Yes, to a large extent, if you're serious about film, digital cannot 
 match film, yet, but 99% of the photographers in the world *never* 
 progress beyond 4x6 enlargements from Walgreens.
 
 They'd be perfectly well served by a digital point-n-shoot instead 
 of the 35mm point-n-shoot they have.
 
 But the liberating feeling that Ed is talking about comes from the 
 fact that I can take 100 pictures with my digital camera, see the 
 results *immediately* and toss the ones I don't want, and not worry 
 about paying for developing 4 or 5 rolls of film, truding off to 
 Walgreens to drop them off, or pick them up, or the wait between 
 what you think you shot and when you see what you actually shot.
 
 Most people are, as Ed is, inhibited by the thought that 'each shot 
 I take is gonna cost me $X', whereas a digital camera is free (yes,
  I know about the costs associated with increased battery 
 consumption, etc, but frankly, it's  a lot cheaper than buying and 
 developing film.)
 
 I've had professional and serious amateur photographers tell me that 
 they've improved their skills noticeably within days of getting a 
 decent digital camera, simply due to the immediate feedback.
 
 Moreover, with most photographic subjects, they can go right back 
 and get the shots they missed, due to the instant feedback.
 
 It *is* an extraordinarily liberating experience.

I'm not missing the point, at least what I see as the point. Digital photos 
are not reprintable. The best quality will get you a 4x6 period.But I see 
people come in here all the time (these people are novices) getting 5x7, 8x10 
and even 12x18's of photos because the price is right.

BTW, a 1.3MP camera is a 3x5 print, not a 4x6. Yes, the immediate response on 
know what you got is nice, but if the world were fair we would never have to 
check our photos because we know what we shot. I have that on a daily basis 
(but I do have the experience of 10+ years of shooting film).

And when it comes to any type of camera, prints or developing: You get what 
you pay for.

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Re: Digital camera (oops, I went OT)

2003-03-31 Thread Jeremy Derr
On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 05:54 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:

 I will say this here once: Never EVER take your film to Walgreens. For 
 those
 of you (or Proex or Walmart) here who want to see better results, 
 contact me
 off list and I will give you the information of the lab I work in. I 
 can give
 you reasons upon reasons of why you need to stay away from those 
 places and
 even make a deal on developing your film all the way here in 
 Minneapolis.

without even having a conflict of interest in making the recommendation 
(*cough*), i whole heartedly agree with Ryan here.

but alas, we are very quickly getting very far off-topic.


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Re: Digital camera (oops, I went OT)

2003-03-31 Thread James Rohde
On 03/31/2003, Ryan Coleman wrote:

I will say this here once: Never EVER take your film to Walgreens. For those 
of you (or Proex or Walmart) here who want to see better results, contact me 
off list and I will give you the information of the lab I work in. I can give 
you reasons upon reasons of why you need to stay away from those places and 
even make a deal on developing your film all the way here in Minneapolis.

Okay Ryan, tell me - I'd like to hear your take, since I operated a 
full-time professional studio for over 5 years before getting out of it 
(a little before my divorce, but not for that reason). Used Mamiya TB67 
and Hasselblads for about all of my work (with a Polaroid back for 
testing as needed). Still have one Hassy and some A12 backs plus some of 
my lenses, BTW.

So tell me about your lab. I used several and had B+ results overall 
(used a lab out of SWest Missouri a lot due to their reliability and 
safety procedures they used). Some pro labs were good in some areas but 
very few covered all the usual bases I needed (weddings/candids, 
commercial, large prints, special mountings/finishes, etc.).

Jim Rohde



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