Re: G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement
Well, we all know that if apple and IBM continue to use the same chip technology, they better reconstruct the design of laptops. . .it just simply comes down to heat transfer. It takes a lot more heat [more than what the chip can generate] to heat the air!!?? So really the problem is air and space in the powerbook design, however, anything is possible. GO FIGURE!! -MW . On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 09:27 AM, Steve Fuller wrote: Look at the new generation of G5s that are coming out next month. They use a 90nm fab process, and from what I have been reading the chips dissipate less heat than the current generation. G5's in laptops are do-able. Apple and IBM have to get the chip's power consumption down low enough, and the form factor of the notebooks may have to change in order for it to happen. steve f On Dec 8, 2003, at 9:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This argument was used about the G4's never being cool enough to put in a Powerbook, in 2000.. Of course temp issues have never slowed down the dark side--they just supercharge the cooling fans. Maybe the Mac laptops can become like Windows, measured by decibels of noise not Mhz of speed! tom In a message dated 12/8/03 8:27:30 AM, you wrote: I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because they are just too hot for such. this is why they went to so much trouble with he cooling system in the g5 desktop. I wouldn't put money on it. How many times have you heard technology prognosticators say this or that will never happen only to be proven wrong within a year? Do you think Apple is going to just stop making laptops? They'll find a way. Maybe a new cooler chip? Or perhaps liquid cooling is coming. Hmmm... I can see the new System Prefs pane now - Liquid Coolant Settings: Check Levels; Change Now! Do you think AAA will offer PowerBook roadside assistance? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:13:28AM -0600, Melvin Watts wrote: : : Well, we all know that if apple and IBM continue to use the same chip : technology, they better reconstruct the design of laptops. . .it just : simply comes down to heat transfer. It takes a lot more heat [more than : what the chip can generate] to heat the air!!?? So really the problem : is air and space in the powerbook design, however, anything is : possible. GO FIGURE!! When you pump a lot of electrons into an electrical system, one of the by-products is heat. Too much heat causes irrepairable damage. The real problem is adequate heat disappation to keep the electrical system within its operating parameters so that stuff doesn't melt into a useless goo. Most solutions have been with traditional heat sinks: either blocks of metal to radiate heat away and increase surface area with the air, or fans to circulate more air to remove more heat from heat sinks. But heat sinks have their physical limits (a block of metal only conducts so much heat) and physical constraints (how much room do you have in a computer?). And fans must use electricity to pump more air (and how loud do you like your fans?). Now on top of these problems, add the constraints of a smaller form, limited power supply, and an end-user desire for less noise. It's not a trivial problem. Saying that it's just a matter of getting more air demonstrates not only a lack of knowledge in the area, but moreso a lack of respect for difficulty of the problem. Go figure. -- Eugene Lee eugene at anime dot net -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement
On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 10:33 PM, Stewart Ebneter wrote: I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because they are just too hot for such. this is why they went to so much trouble with the cooling system in the g5 desktop. I wouldn't put money on it. How many times have you heard technology prognosticators say this or that will never happen only to be proven wrong within a year? Do you think Apple is going to just stop making laptops? They'll find a way. Maybe a new cooler chip? Or perhaps liquid cooling is coming. Hmmm... I can see the new System Prefs pane now - Liquid Coolant Settings: Check Levels; Change Now! Do you think AAA will offer PowerBook roadside assistance? Charles -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement
This argument was used about the G4's never being cool enough to put in a Powerbook, in 2000.. Of course temp issues have never slowed down the dark side--they just supercharge the cooling fans. Maybe the Mac laptops can become like Windows, measured by decibels of noise not Mhz of speed! tom In a message dated 12/8/03 8:27:30 AM, you wrote: I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because they are just too hot for such. this is why they went to so much trouble with he cooling system in the g5 desktop. I wouldn't put money on it. How many times have you heard technology prognosticators say this or that will never happen only to be proven wrong within a year? Do you think Apple is going to just stop making laptops? They'll find a way. Maybe a new cooler chip? Or perhaps liquid cooling is coming. Hmmm... I can see the new System Prefs pane now - Liquid Coolant Settings: Check Levels; Change Now! Do you think AAA will offer PowerBook roadside assistance? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement
Look at the new generation of G5s that are coming out next month. They use a 90nm fab process, and from what I have been reading the chips dissipate less heat than the current generation. G5's in laptops are do-able. Apple and IBM have to get the chip's power consumption down low enough, and the form factor of the notebooks may have to change in order for it to happen. steve f On Dec 8, 2003, at 9:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This argument was used about the G4's never being cool enough to put in a Powerbook, in 2000.. Of course temp issues have never slowed down the dark side--they just supercharge the cooling fans. Maybe the Mac laptops can become like Windows, measured by decibels of noise not Mhz of speed! tom In a message dated 12/8/03 8:27:30 AM, you wrote: I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because they are just too hot for such. this is why they went to so much trouble with he cooling system in the g5 desktop. I wouldn't put money on it. How many times have you heard technology prognosticators say this or that will never happen only to be proven wrong within a year? Do you think Apple is going to just stop making laptops? They'll find a way. Maybe a new cooler chip? Or perhaps liquid cooling is coming. Hmmm... I can see the new System Prefs pane now - Liquid Coolant Settings: Check Levels; Change Now! Do you think AAA will offer PowerBook roadside assistance? -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com --- -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: G5 Laptops [was] Pismo improvement
On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 07:26 AM, Charles wrote: On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 10:33 PM, Stewart Ebneter wrote: I read somewhere that g5's will never be used in powerbooks, because they are just too hot for such. this is why they went to so much trouble with the cooling system in the g5 desktop. I wouldn't put money on it. How many times have you heard technology prognosticators say this or that will never happen only to be proven wrong within a year? Do you think Apple is going to just stop making laptops? They'll find a way. Maybe a new cooler chip? Or perhaps liquid cooling is coming. Hmmm... I can see the new System Prefs pane now - Liquid Coolant Settings: Check Levels; Change Now! Do you think AAA will offer PowerBook roadside assistance? Charles G5's run cooler than G4's, so a G5 laptop will happen. 700MHz iBook running 10.2.8 Macs for life! http://homepage.mac.com/nikon80x/Menu2.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
