Re: General Lombard Questions.

[Don P.]

> if Daystar wont do it Wegener might.

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just return me to the situation i had before I ever
sent my Lombard to them. Bad, bad, bad experiance.

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Re: General Lombard Questions.

[Lisa & Tom P]

On Jul 13, 2005, at 10:13 AM, G-Books wrote:


From: Lisa & Tom P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Why not just get the L2 cache replaced ?  Daystar will do it for ~$30
+ shpping, IIRC.


Daystar asks $110 for the L2 cache replace/repair plus the cost of shipping.

bill


?!?!  I guess prices have gone up quite a bit since I got a quote.

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Re: General Lombard Questions.

[Laurent Daudelin]

On 13/07/05 13:17, "William Ove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Jul 13, 2005, at 10:13 AM, G-Books wrote:
> 
>> From: Lisa & Tom P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> 
>> Why not just get the L2 cache replaced ?  Daystar will do it for ~$30
>> + shpping, IIRC.
> 
> Daystar asks $110 for the L2 cache replace/repair plus the cost of
> shipping.

Ouch!

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Re: General Lombard Questions.

[William Ove]

On Jul 13, 2005, at 10:13 AM, G-Books wrote:


From: Lisa & Tom P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Why not just get the L2 cache replaced ?  Daystar will do it for ~$30
+ shpping, IIRC.


Daystar asks $110 for the L2 cache replace/repair plus the cost of  
shipping.


bill

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Re: General Lombard Questions.

[Lisa & Tom P]

IIRC that is only with a G4 upgrade.

Mike


They can replace the L2 with A G3 or a G4, but it might be tied to 
purchasing the new CPU.  Its worth asking them if they will change 
out only the L2 cache.  if Daystar wont do it Wegener might.


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Re: General Lombard Questions.

[Mike McGinnis]

IIRC that is only with a G4 upgrade.

Mike

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Re: General Lombard Questions.

[Lisa & Tom P]

Why not just get the L2 cache replaced ?  Daystar will do it for ~$30 
+ shpping, IIRC.


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Re: General Lombard Questions.

[David Rodriguez]

> Welcome to the club. I have had a Lombard for the last few months 
with

 > a bad L2 Cache. I have been running 10.3.9 quite satisfactorily
 > however.

 I would suppose it would run slower with a bad La Cache? Do you have 
a feel

 for that, or is this not really relevant to speed?

 cheers,
 gianfranco


Mine's got a 400 mhz so I'm not expecting super speeds, but it really 
doesn't seem to be running slow  either considering.  In the few months 
I've had it, the machine has frozen twice but I think that related to 
the machine getting too hot.  I've dealt with that issue however.


Again re the speed, doesn't OSX disable or do something different with 
L2 Cache?  Somebody?


Dave


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Re: General Lombard Questions.

[Francesco sciacca]

> Welcome to the club.  I have had a Lombard for the last few months with 
> a bad L2 Cache.  I have been running 10.3.9 quite satisfactorily 
> however.  

I would suppose it would run slower with a bad La Cache? Do you have a feel
for that, or is this not really relevant to speed?

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Re: General Lombard Questions.

[David Rodriguez]

Hi William,

Welcome to the club.  I have had a Lombard for the last few months with 
a bad L2 Cache.  I have been running 10.3.9 quite satisfactorily 
however.  The only ritual I must live by is to press the reset button 
before startup.  So far, I haven't forgot once.  If I did, then I would 
need to go through another ritual of booting to cd, and then selecting 
the OSX disk and restart, but circumvent the actual restart and Shut 
Down instead (because bad L2 Cache Lombards won't restart).  Then I 
press the reset and boot up.  But like I say, I haven't forgotten to 
press the reset so haven't had to do this minor hassle.


Other then that, it runs great in OSX with a bad cache.  I'm not really 
sure what (if any) problems would develop by running this way?  I never 
found out why OSX does not provide alert at startup of the bad cache 
(as opposed to OS9 which does).  I also can't zap pram because it won't 
restart, but I guess the reset button takes care of any issues.  
Luckily the reset doesn't reset the clock or then it would be 
unbearable.


Anyway, I have found the Lombard can be a very usable system if you can 
get used to following a simple procedure.

NEVER Restart!
ALWAYS reset before boot.

If you can remember these two simple rules, it works great.

I have OS9 installed but haven't used it at all.  As I recall, 
switching back & forth gets a little more complicated, once again the 
key seems to be, no restart!  Always cold boot when selecting a startup 
disk.


Until I find a deal on a faster processor, that's how I use my Lombard.

Here's a decent temp monitor I found for powerbooks which monitors the 
hard drive temp only on Lombards.  This is for OSX.  Not sure how 
accurate it is but it gives some indication of what is happening.   I'm 
guessing cpu temp is not possible for the Lombard but I'd like to hear 
otherwise if anybody knows.

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/19994


Dave


The biggest annoyance I have noted is that the Lombard will not 
startup unless I first hit the reset on the back of the machine. 
Pressing the power button generates a bong, but nothing further 
happens.




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Re: General Lombard Questions.

[Francesco sciacca]

I can only comment on a couple of points, having no experience with the
remaining issues:

> There are times when the Lombard seems to get very warm and I have  
> not noticed the fan kick in. I am going to look for a temperature  
> gauge for the system, but do not know what normal operating  
> temperatures are for the Lombard.

In over 6 years of heavy daily lombard use, I've never heard the fan coming
in, even when the computer got quite hot. Three possibilities there: 1) fan
very quiet 2) fan not working 3) didn't need fan yet. I suspected there was
a procedure to force the fan spin at startup to check its funcionality, but
nobody has confirmed that yet.

> I have a used battery in the Lomard that lasts for about two hours of  
> steady use with a wireless card in the PCMCIA slot. This is adequate  
> for my uses, but again I have no idea what the working life of a new  
> battery is in the Lombard.

you are a very lucky man, and this is probably a relatively new battery. I
don't remember ever getting 2 full hours of battery running word and nothing
else, maybe at the very beginning...

One thing you might want to do if you have the time and inclination is bump
up the RAM and replace the HD with a 5400 rpm one. When I did this back some
years ago, it gave new life to an othervise struggling machine. Now it runs
OX 9.2.2 quite zippy and is usable overall with OS 10.3.9. (it is a 333 MHz)

cheers,
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General Lombard Questions.

[William Ove]

I picked up a Lombard a couple weeks back. It is generally a good  
machine. This is my first Lombard, so I am not sure what things would  
fall within the scope of being normal Lombard behavior and which  
things perhaps need addressing.


It is a 400MHz G3, DVD, 6GB hard drive, 256MB RAM.

It came with OS X v10.3.8 installed. I installed OS 9 over the  
weekend, and when I booted into OS 9 it reports problems with the  
cache. From what I have read I gather this is a somewhat common  
problem with the Lombard. I suspect it has a bad impact on  
performance, but it does not seem to cause any operational problems.


The biggest annoyance I have noted is that the Lombard will not  
startup unless I first hit the reset on the back of the machine.  
Pressing the power button generates a bong, but nothing further  
happens. I followed directions I found for resetting the NVRAM and it  
made no difference. There is no cold boot until I press the reset  
button.


There are times when the Lombard seems to get very warm and I have  
not noticed the fan kick in. I am going to look for a temperature  
gauge for the system, but do not know what normal operating  
temperatures are for the Lombard.


I have a used battery in the Lomard that lasts for about two hours of  
steady use with a wireless card in the PCMCIA slot. This is adequate  
for my uses, but again I have no idea what the working life of a new  
battery is in the Lombard.


Thanks for any assistance getting up to speed on the Lombard.

bill

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