How much play in a Pismo clutch?
Hi all, I just noticed that my Pismo has about 1/2 of play in the LCD hinge (measured at the free edge of the display). Is this about normal? I know there are horror stories about Wallstreet in particular. I opened the top part of the case and checked the clutch components, they all seem to be in order (no loose pieces or obviously broken components) and the screws are tight. It seems like the clutch itself has this much play. -- Lewin A.R.W. Edwards http://www.zws.com/ Learn how to build high-performance embedded systems on a budget! http://www.zws.com/publications/shoestring.html -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How much play in a Pismo clutch?
Don't know what the specs are--if there are any--but mine has about the same. Gary From: Lewin Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/07/31 Thu AM 10:52:30 EDT To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How much play in a Pismo clutch? Hi all, I just noticed that my Pismo has about 1/2 of play in the LCD hinge (measured at the free edge of the display). Is this about normal? I know there are horror stories about Wallstreet in particular. I opened the top part of the case and checked the clutch components, they all seem to be in order (no loose pieces or obviously broken components) and the screws are tight. It seems like the clutch itself has this much play. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How much play in a Pismo clutch?
Don't know what the specs are--if there are any--but mine has about the same. I feel better :) Either mine is normal, or we're both heading for incipent failure, partner! -- Lewin A.R.W. Edwards http://www.zws.com/ Learn how to build high-performance embedded systems on a budget! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750676094/zws-20 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How much play in a Pismo clutch?
On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 08:52 AM, Lewin Edwards wrote: Hi all, I just noticed that my Pismo has about 1/2 of play in the LCD hinge (measured at the free edge of the display). Is this about normal? I know there are horror stories about Wallstreet in particular. I opened the top part of the case and checked the clutch components, they all seem to be in order (no loose pieces or obviously broken components) and the screws are tight. It seems like the clutch itself has this much play. This seems like a normal amount to me (my Pismo is the same). Turtle-Bear -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How much play in a Pismo clutch?
Same here. 3 year old Pismo 500 here. N on 7/31/03 11:21 AM, Pauline Turtle-Bear Guillermo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 08:52 AM, Lewin Edwards wrote: Hi all, I just noticed that my Pismo has about 1/2 of play in the LCD hinge (measured at the free edge of the display). Is this about normal? I know there are horror stories about Wallstreet in particular. I opened the top part of the case and checked the clutch components, they all seem to be in order (no loose pieces or obviously broken components) and the screws are tight. It seems like the clutch itself has this much play. This seems like a normal amount to me (my Pismo is the same). Turtle-Bear -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Ditto. -Laurent. -- === Laurent DaudelinDeveloper, Multifamily, ESO, Fannie Mae mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Washington, DC, USA * Usual disclaimers apply * On 31/07/03 11:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know what the specs are--if there are any--but mine has about the same. Gary From: Lewin Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/07/31 Thu AM 10:52:30 EDT To: G-Books [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: How much play in a Pismo clutch? Hi all, I just noticed that my Pismo has about 1/2 of play in the LCD hinge (measured at the free edge of the display). Is this about normal? I know there are horror stories about Wallstreet in particular. I opened the top part of the case and checked the clutch components, they all seem to be in order (no loose pieces or obviously broken components) and the screws are tight. It seems like the clutch itself has this much play. -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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20030731 Hi all, I just noticed that my Pismo has about 1/2 of play in the LCD hinge (measured at the free edge of the --- You're better off than I am. My Wallstreet 266 has almost 2 inches of flap at the same measuring point. J -- Tanglewood Ordinary Restaurant On the National Register of Historic Places and the Virginia Landmarks Register True FamilyStyle Dining since 1986 Fried Chicken, Roast Beef, Country Ham, mashed potatoes, green beans, blackeyed peas, stewed tomatoes...and MORE! Got Dinner...? Anne Jim Hardwick, Proprietors 2210 River Road West Maidens, VA 23102-2705 804-556-3284 804-556-4432 (personal emergencies) PDFs preferred in lieu of fax, please 1-707-929-1392 efax -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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You're better off than I am. My Wallstreet 266 has almost 2 inches of flap at the same measuring point. A quick web search (before I posted my message) showed a LOT of complaints from people with Wallstreets. That's why I suddenly got worried that my Pismo was suffering from a similar problem. Seems like mine is totally within normal behavior limits, though. Fried Chicken, Roast Beef, Country Ham, mashed potatoes, green beans, blackeyed peas, stewed tomatoes...and MORE! AGHHH, I am starving now! For some reason, I've been craving fried chicken for the past week. Must be at least a year since I had any. I've never had blackeyed peas, but I'm sure I'd like them! And mashed potatoes!!! *drooling* -- Lewin A.R.W. Edwards http://www.zws.com/ Learn how to build high-performance embedded systems on a budget! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750676094/zws-20 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 01:18 PM, Lewin Edwards wrote: I've never had blackeyed peas Here's the RIGHT way to do blackeyed peas: The night before, boil a ham bone (preferably one that still has about a pound of meat on it) for at least one hour. Turn off the heat and let it cool enough that you can lift the pot with your bare hands. Put it in the fridge overnight. The next day, skim all the fat (will be hardened) off the top. Pick out the bones and give them to your dog. Pour the rest through a strainer into a second container. Save this liquid! Wash the pot. Pick the meat from the strainer and cut it into small pieces, being sure to cut the meat away from the fat, and put it into the pot. Dump a one pound bag of dried blackeyed peas into the pot. Add the liquid that was strained. Add enough water to cover the peas plus 1-2 inches. Bring this to a boil, stirring frequently, then turn the heat down. Simmer the mixture, while watching it for 20 minutes, adding water as needed as the pea soak it up. Keep it simmering for at least 1.5 hours (the longer, the better), stirring it every 15 minutes - or put it in a crock pot on the lowest setting while you are at work. Serve in a bowl on top of fresh-cooked rice with corn bread on the side. If you serve this without a tall glass of sweet iced tea, you risk spending a eon in purgatory! If you don't eat ham, then you can substitute using for smoked turkey necks, but don't bother too much with picking the meat off. Steal this signature! Use it! Spread it! Live it! Do not buy from anyone who advertises in email. End spam. http://homepage.mac.com/stmoody -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Here's the RIGHT way to do blackeyed peas: fx: scribbling secret recipe on insole of boot in invisible ink to evade anti-spy patrols... -- Lewin A.R.W. Edwards http://www.zws.com/ Learn how to build high-performance embedded systems on a budget! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750676094/zws-20 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How much play in a Pismo clutch?
I just noticed that my Pismo has about 1/2 of play in the LCD hinge (measured at the free edge of the display). Is this about normal? My Pismo came with 1/2 of LCD hinge free edge play, you're okay. BTW: I'm told that Iraq Freedom journalists found the Pismo most faithful, kept running when dust, dirt and extreme conditions shut the other laptops down. I'm on my 12th Mac with more than 100 trips overseas, my Pismo with OS 9.2 the most reliable. Owen -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
Re: How much play in a Pismo clutch?
Lewin Edwards wrote: I just noticed that my Pismo has about 1/2 of play in the LCD hinge (measured at the free edge of the display). Is this about normal? I know there are horror stories about Wallstreet in particular. I opened the top part of the case and checked the clutch components, they all seem to be in order (no loose pieces or obviously broken components) and the screws are tight. It seems like the clutch itself has this much play. That seems about par for the course, among my 2 Pismos and 2 Lombards the play varies between less than half an inch to nearly an inch. The Pismo/Lombard clutch design is substantially the same as that of the Wallstreet series, but with a bit sturdier construction and less resistance to movement. As I've not heard of any instances of Lombard/Pismo hinge clutches failing, I'd wager it's much less of a problem and not something over which to worry. My experience is limited though, so that's absolutely NOT gospel. Reell Precision Manufacturing made all of Apple's hinges I've seen so far: http://www.reell.com/ Here's their 7mm hinge, which (as near as I can tell) is the closest-to-G3-PB-hinges standard product they offer. In the photo illustrating this page the hinge pin is captured in the lefthand part and the clutchpack is captured in the righthand part. http://www.reell.com/7mm.htm The Wallstreet is the earliest 'Book I've seen using this clutch design. The 3400 and earlier use a helical spring wrapped around a steel rod, moving the display opens the spring slightly allowing movement. That spring also explains why when positioning an older 'Books display you need to push the display slightly beyond where you wish it to end up, when you release it, it springs back a little. In contrast, Wallstreet/Lombard/Pismo clutches use a steel hinge pin gripped by a stacked pack of a dozen or so steel clips which are captured inside a diecast housing. That housing is what fails in Wallstreets, as the rotating hinge pin tries to turn the captured clips. The force is concentrated on the outer corners of the housing where the clips are captured and eventually the housing splits open. I'd bet the reasons why the bronze models are not affected in the same way is: 1) (I think) the clip tension is lower on account of the lids being lighter than the WS models, and 2) Lombard/Pismo have the hinge pin in the lower part and the clutchpack housing in the upper part (in the display housing.) That die-casting appears to be a sturdier design than the similar function Wallstreet part. Here's some photos culled from current eBay auctions. First a photo of Wallstreet 12/13 hinges: http://ebay2.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_1a31af9e1e4964bc96a25e08893b0388/ i-1.JPG and a shot of a 14 hinge: http://ebay2.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_fa388701b68827d032c37572d4fb6ca3/ i-1.JPG and a shot of Lombard hinges: http://ebay2.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_73728cde46b5e69dad7b980f0ef6df81/ i-1.JPG for more eBay hinge sales, try this search: http://cq-search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResultquery=%28pwrbook%2Cp owerbook%2C%22power+book%22%2Cpbook%29+hingefrom=R10ht=1tmp=2currdisp=2 itemtimedisp=0combine=yitf=0st=2SortProperty=MetaNewSort The play reflects wear inside the diecast housing allowing the clutch-pack to move slightly. Also, I've noticed play on some Wallstreet hinges where the steel hinge pin is captured inside the part of the bracket attaching to the display housing. It doesn't take much play at the clutch-pack-housing and/or hinge to equal alot of play at the display's free edge. Lubing the hinges may reduce the chances of failure, as reducing the resistance to movement should lessen the stress on the hinge housing. I mention that only because examining a pair of still-unbroken WS 14 hinges I noticed one was substantially stiffer and 'grittier' feeling than the other. A shot of some thick grease returned the gritty hinge to smooth operation. Something like wheel bearing grease or CV joint grease ought to do the trick (available at auto parts stores, for those who don't know of what I write.) I took a bunch of shots of Wallstreet/Lombard/Pismo hinges (WS both broken and unbroken) with the idea of putting up an info page, I promise to do that soon and will mention it here when I do. hth, Dan K . http://macdan.n3.net/ carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500 . -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode,
Re: How much play in a Pismo clutch?
Hi Dan, bracket attaching to the display housing. It doesn't take much play at the clutch-pack-housing and/or hinge to equal alot of play at the display's free edge. I guess so... The LCD is about 10 high, so 0.5 arc is about three degrees (back of an envelope calculation there, I don't have a scientific calculator handy). Lubing the hinges may reduce the chances of failure, as reducing the resistance to movement should lessen the stress on the hinge housing. I You think I can get enough in at the end that's in the lower half to make it worthwhile? I don't want to open the top part of the unit again unless I really have to. I took a bunch of shots of Wallstreet/Lombard/Pismo hinges (WS both broken and unbroken) with the idea of putting up an info page, I promise to do that soon and will mention it here when I do. Please do! There are a couple of sites with photos, but one is all in Japanese and both of them [that I found] don't clearly illustrate the details of construction or the exact failure. Just looked like a collection of small mechanical bits to me; I couldn't positively determine what had broken off where. -- Lewin A.R.W. Edwards http://www.zws.com/ Learn how to build high-performance embedded systems on a budget! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750676094/zws-20 -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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Lewin Edwards wrote: The bottom corners are the hardest to pop, requiring some flexing and Exacto pressure. Very easy to do noticeable damage here, unfortunately :( Reading Lewin's fine instructions on how to open the display, but with the above warning, I thought I'd mention the mothership suggests starting at the bottom edge of the display: 5. Insert the flat end of a nylon tool* into the seam between the clutches and work it along the seam from side to side to pop open the three tabs 6. Work the nylon tool along the seam on each side of the display clamshell and open the three tabs on each side of the display *flat-blade nylon or plastic tool (spudger) I'd be nearly criminally remiss if I didn't point out the splendid opportunity with the display thusly opened to colorize your 'Glowing Apple' (should one be so inclined.) Any sort of translucent material ought to work fine. I've got a sample pack of lighting/photo gels in 150 assorted colors, all the exact right size to tape inside the back shell. One of my Pismos has a lemon colored Apple, another red, while green and blue Apples decor my two Lombards. [Dan whispers conspiratorially - I'm even thinking of colorizing one 'Book's Apple as a multi-colored striped Apple of old!! ss! don't tell _anyone_!!] G hth, Dan K (yes, I'm quite aware of how silly I am, thank you very much! :-) . http://macdan.n3.net/ carracho://dankephoto.dhs.org:9700 hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500 . -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
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On Thursday, July 31, 2003, at 01:51 PM, Steve Moody wrote: Here's the RIGHT way to do blackeyed peas: If you serve this without a tall glass of sweet iced tea, you risk spending a eon in purgatory! TEA I Demand and prefer a TALL COLD Mint Julep If you don't eat ham, then you can substitute using for smoked turkey necks, but don't bother too much with picking the meat off. YUUCCCHHH!!! Turkey If you can't do it right (HAM)..Don't do it Wait till you can afford the ham!!! Regards, Mike K -- G-Books is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Refurbished Drives | -- Check our web site for refurbished PowerBooks | CDRWs on Sale! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html G-Books list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-books.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/g-books%40mail.maclaunch.com/ --- The Think Different Store http://www.ThinkDifferentStore.com ---
